But he actually has a point. Economic policy, social liberty policy, and nationality policy are three separate dimensions, and sticking a party onto the "far-X" where X is left or right solely because of its position on one of three independent scales doesn't really make sense. In fact, I dare say it serves no greater purpose than giving mainstream politicians an excuse to stay away from the issues raised by such a party having a decently large voting base: "Oh, we can't address the dilution of our culture or the leeching of our social services, that's far-right-wing and racist." Yes, the BNP is racist and even getting near fascist, but only by separating the real issues that BNP voters are trying to voice from the racism can the political mainstream thwart the BNP. Denying those issues simply gives people more incentive and excuse to vote for an officially racist party.
Well, left-alternative to what exactly? What's so wrong with current-day Britain that an overarching (further-than-status-quo) leftist ideology is needed to fix it?
I'll have you know that GlobalResearch.ca is a loony-bin site filled with crank politics that will write anything if it comes down against the USA, its allies, or a USA-style system (even where one doesn't actually exist). Don't trust anything they say.
Basically, you're paranoid and it's the fault of people like you that the supporters of the old regime in Iran would constantly claim that the freer regime installed by the people, Islamic though it be, is an agent of America or Israel. Stop feeding the conspiracy mill if you have no evidence.
Not particularly, if I were to start a religion saying 'murder is A-OK!' even in times where myth and fanciful things were the highlight of ones life, it would have been shot down instantly (or believers would have killed each other out).
If it's ok for Israel to have a Jewish regime, why isn't it ok for Iran to have an Islamic one?
It's not so much that it's OK as that Israel's rabbinate only governs their equivalent of family court, and is only allowed to continue doing that because what with the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict many parties would rather put aside religious issues and thus win some other smaller secular or religious parties into their coalition than take hard stances on the role of religion in their society. The status quo continues because nobody can build a large enough power center to change it in any direction: neither separation of rabbi and state nor halachic state.
The greatest trick the Israeli government ever pulled was to convince the world that to be Jewish is to support Israel and that to criticise Israel is to be anti-semitic.
And yet they never actually pulled it. Seriously, I thought you read the stuff the OP linked to. It was clearly and obviously antisemitic bull that merely elided some of its accusations so as to avoid accusations of antisemitism and hide itself behind a shield of professed anti-Zionism. It accuses Mahmoud Ahmedinejad of operating for the Israeli government on no greater basis than its own hypothesis that he has a Jewish ancestor. Now, when the implication made is Jewish ancestor -> secretly working for Israel to undermine another country, that's antisemitism.
The thing is, I don't think anyone would call it servile to American interests for an Iranian leader to want to avoid a nuclear war. That's just enlightened self-interest.
Here's the thing that most slashdotters don't get about Iran, they are not just Muslims, previous to the Islamic revolution in 79 a large portion of the population was Zoroastrian and Baha'i.
I do in fact get that. Iran is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse countries in the Middle East.
From what I've been told this has ignited a lot of Racial tensions in Iran, the Ayatollah and ruling council have set up a separate police force made almost exclusively from non-Persians (mostly Palestinian and Lebanese migrants) for the purposes of guaranteeing that the government has a force to use against its own people.
I can confirm this. Those aren't "migrants", though, they're members of Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian Hamas. Yet another reason I want to see this revolution succeed.
I'm going to go listen to "Yallah Yah Nasrallah" now.
Hi, let me tell you about the research lunch I was at yesterday. A whole bunch of us undergrad researchers were presenting the beginnings of our research for the summer. One guy got up and told us about using cameras, microphones, and sophisticated software to monitor the behavior of old people so that danger could be detected by computer and they could stay in their own home. At the end I said, "So... Big Brother,", and he replied "Yeah". Nobody wants to create tyranny, but people find so-called "ethical" applications that become excuses for developing the mechanisms of tyranny.
The GP claimed that Ahmedinejad was a secret Jew and an agent of the Israeli government. That's as anti-Semitic as it is anti-Muslim to claim that Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and an agent of al Qaeda.
Honestly, I do feel pretty sure the election was stolen. By my estimation the most likely scenario had actually been a run-off election between Ahmedinejad and Mousavi. Instead Ahmedinejad wins by a landslide before the votes could actually have been counted with suspiciously consistent voting patterns. Even if he could have won legitimately, it appears that his government falsified the election to make him win more easily. The people have a right to feel angry about that and a right to protest that. Fraud is fraud, even when the candidate that won because of fraud would have won or gotten into the run-offs anyway.
The most timely information comes from Twitter, the clearest picture comes from Fark, and 4chan is helping the resistance set up communications. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!
The rest I can believe, but 4chan becoming a force for good? Bullshit!
In that case for security I'd take a look at OneSwarm, a backwards-compatible friend-to-friend BitTorrent peer. Open source, runs on all 3 major operating systems.
Actually, from what I've heard the rioters aren't just for Mousavi anymore. Their list of demands includes revising the Iranian constitution to grant religious freedom (not so much that they love their minorities as that they've discovered that Muslim theocracy oppresses Muslims too), dissolving all "organs of repression", and release of all political prisoners. All sounds like big, good changes to me.
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Only in Europe is nationalism considered as backwards as racism.
But he actually has a point. Economic policy, social liberty policy, and nationality policy are three separate dimensions, and sticking a party onto the "far-X" where X is left or right solely because of its position on one of three independent scales doesn't really make sense. In fact, I dare say it serves no greater purpose than giving mainstream politicians an excuse to stay away from the issues raised by such a party having a decently large voting base: "Oh, we can't address the dilution of our culture or the leeching of our social services, that's far-right-wing and racist." Yes, the BNP is racist and even getting near fascist, but only by separating the real issues that BNP voters are trying to voice from the racism can the political mainstream thwart the BNP. Denying those issues simply gives people more incentive and excuse to vote for an officially racist party.
Well, left-alternative to what exactly? What's so wrong with current-day Britain that an overarching (further-than-status-quo) leftist ideology is needed to fix it?
I really hope most of the BNP's voters are actually just protest voting. For your sake.
Ah, there's the title for the culturally-British edition of "Bully": "Bully: Anti-Social Behavior Order".
I'll have you know that GlobalResearch.ca is a loony-bin site filled with crank politics that will write anything if it comes down against the USA, its allies, or a USA-style system (even where one doesn't actually exist). Don't trust anything they say.
Basically, you're paranoid and it's the fault of people like you that the supporters of the old regime in Iran would constantly claim that the freer regime installed by the people, Islamic though it be, is an agent of America or Israel. Stop feeding the conspiracy mill if you have no evidence.
Not particularly, if I were to start a religion saying 'murder is A-OK!' even in times where myth and fanciful things were the highlight of ones life, it would have been shot down instantly (or believers would have killed each other out).
Have you heard of the Aztecs?
If it's ok for Israel to have a Jewish regime, why isn't it ok for Iran to have an Islamic one?
It's not so much that it's OK as that Israel's rabbinate only governs their equivalent of family court, and is only allowed to continue doing that because what with the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict many parties would rather put aside religious issues and thus win some other smaller secular or religious parties into their coalition than take hard stances on the role of religion in their society. The status quo continues because nobody can build a large enough power center to change it in any direction: neither separation of rabbi and state nor halachic state.
Oh fuck no. That just makes it look like the pro-freedom masses and clerical elites in Iran are Western proxies.
The greatest trick the Israeli government ever pulled was to convince the world that to be Jewish is to support Israel and that to criticise Israel is to be anti-semitic.
And yet they never actually pulled it. Seriously, I thought you read the stuff the OP linked to. It was clearly and obviously antisemitic bull that merely elided some of its accusations so as to avoid accusations of antisemitism and hide itself behind a shield of professed anti-Zionism. It accuses Mahmoud Ahmedinejad of operating for the Israeli government on no greater basis than its own hypothesis that he has a Jewish ancestor. Now, when the implication made is Jewish ancestor -> secretly working for Israel to undermine another country, that's antisemitism.
The thing is, I don't think anyone would call it servile to American interests for an Iranian leader to want to avoid a nuclear war. That's just enlightened self-interest.
Here's the thing that most slashdotters don't get about Iran, they are not just Muslims, previous to the Islamic revolution in 79 a large portion of the population was Zoroastrian and Baha'i.
I do in fact get that. Iran is one of the most ethnically and religiously diverse countries in the Middle East.
From what I've been told this has ignited a lot of Racial tensions in Iran, the Ayatollah and ruling council have set up a separate police force made almost exclusively from non-Persians (mostly Palestinian and Lebanese migrants) for the purposes of guaranteeing that the government has a force to use against its own people.
I can confirm this. Those aren't "migrants", though, they're members of Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian Hamas. Yet another reason I want to see this revolution succeed.
I'm going to go listen to "Yallah Yah Nasrallah" now.
Hi, let me tell you about the research lunch I was at yesterday. A whole bunch of us undergrad researchers were presenting the beginnings of our research for the summer. One guy got up and told us about using cameras, microphones, and sophisticated software to monitor the behavior of old people so that danger could be detected by computer and they could stay in their own home. At the end I said, "So... Big Brother,", and he replied "Yeah". Nobody wants to create tyranny, but people find so-called "ethical" applications that become excuses for developing the mechanisms of tyranny.
Hey, Godwin's Law!
So even after what h4rmony said you still think that all Jews support Israel by default? Humph, I wish.
The GP claimed that Ahmedinejad was a secret Jew and an agent of the Israeli government. That's as anti-Semitic as it is anti-Muslim to claim that Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and an agent of al Qaeda.
Honestly, I do feel pretty sure the election was stolen. By my estimation the most likely scenario had actually been a run-off election between Ahmedinejad and Mousavi. Instead Ahmedinejad wins by a landslide before the votes could actually have been counted with suspiciously consistent voting patterns. Even if he could have won legitimately, it appears that his government falsified the election to make him win more easily. The people have a right to feel angry about that and a right to protest that. Fraud is fraud, even when the candidate that won because of fraud would have won or gotten into the run-offs anyway.
Well, thank you. You've certainly managed to amuse me for the night. Goodnight troll.
The most timely information comes from Twitter, the clearest picture comes from Fark, and 4chan is helping the resistance set up communications. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!
The rest I can believe, but 4chan becoming a force for good? Bullshit!
Wow, someone has a hate-on for religion. Someone also referred to black people using the worst slur imaginable for them.
Oh my fucking God. Are you seriously blaming the Jews for Iran's stolen election and revolution?
In that case for security I'd take a look at OneSwarm, a backwards-compatible friend-to-friend BitTorrent peer. Open source, runs on all 3 major operating systems.
Actually, from what I've heard the rioters aren't just for Mousavi anymore. Their list of demands includes revising the Iranian constitution to grant religious freedom (not so much that they love their minorities as that they've discovered that Muslim theocracy oppresses Muslims too), dissolving all "organs of repression", and release of all political prisoners. All sounds like big, good changes to me.
It's called Tor. Their website even has a Farsi translation.