Maybe this helps some with my experiance of bulldog, they tended to sync most people too high (8092Kb) and hence had many people with a poor service. But seems as they where the first full rate service I expect that was to be expected, seems as no one knew quite how well BT phone lines would cope and at what distance people would start crapping out.
I've got two lines, bulldog 8Mb/512Kb (apart from their billing department for a while where the best ISP out there)
Speed is stunning, ping of 8-12 on most uk gaming server.
I also have a bethere adsl2+ 24Mb/1Mb line but port 25 is blocked on be so they don't count as an unrestricted ISP in my books. Altough at £24 a month it is cheap.
Zen just don't cut it at their current prices, 8Mb with only 50GB bandwidth a month for £34? No thanks.
For the same price on bulldog I get free phone calls and unlimited bandwidth add to that the fact I had fullspeed ADSL from bulldog when it was just a wet dream for zen and bt users.
Of course bethere win handsdown for speed, bulldogs adsl2+ package is only 16Mb and still about £10 more then bethere.
Dirrerent strokes for different folks, I've got 200+ msn contacts. about 3 yahoo, no aol no aim, no icq.
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Who uses MSN? 61% of all IM users according studys.
Um..well the BIOS on most PC's is only several 100KB and contains all that is needed for the basic operation of a PC.
So it's only logical to conclude that a VM wouldn't neciserily need to be much larger then this. Especialy if it was running as a layer directly above the BIOS proxying request from the OS to the system and then wrapping up instructions where the VM needs to apply it's own logic.
This type of VM wouldn't need to worry about schedualing or the more compex issues that come of running multiple os's on one machine.
It would merly be acting as an extra set of logic between the system and os.
Virtual Server 2005 has been out for some time. Infact it's gone SP1 already. And altough it's had no direct support for linux it would work. But just like any virtulization software the OS dosn't perfomre at it's best. ( The same is true for vmware until you install the guest os addin for video and mouse)
I am currently beta testing the vs2005 linux additions pack, which add's linux drivers for scsi, video, mouse drivers, co-ordinated shut down, time sync. Of course the only linux distributions officaly suported are various flavours fo SuSE and Redhat.
But as you see it's not vapour at all it's quite real.
"Either way, software as a service is simply placing too much control over the way I work and do business in the hands of a third party"
You miss the whole point, yes you are handing over control but that is the whole reason to do it.
Think about it, your job is to keep the business systems running as cheaply and efficiently as possible not to keep yourself needlessly busy.
Are you really telling me you as mr techy working at an SMB for example can provide a better service then those at these evil service companies? These companies with 24/7 network operation centers, multiple data centers with multiple tier one isp's, masses of fall over capability and masses of highly trained staff who's sole job is keeping this one application running flawlessly.
You seriously think you know more then the guys doing the job for thousands of companies each day?
The reason you should loses control is because you have better thing to do with your time like helping the business grow and not focus entirely on firefighting and being the expert in every area of your companies IT.
You don't currently worry about providing your own telephone network, digging up roads and putting cables down. Instead you trust it to a telephone company who provide you with a service.
The same with snail mail you don't hire your own mail delivery staff and fleet of vehicles. You use a service such as DHL.
It really is the same with IT, why provide services in house on equipment you need to maintain, patch, buy software, train your staff how to maintain and use, provide all the fault tolerance you require and then spend x days a month administering a system when you can just pay for a service with a tight SLA where you get your money back if the service doesn't provide.
If you don't provide then the best your company can do is fire you and hope to find someone else who they then have to train to use the badly documented system my smb techy left behind.
"The problem with that is that I generally don't want my applications to update themselves without my consent"
Again in the real world people want patches as soon as they are released, as long as the initial QA was good there is no problem. This is after all what you are paying the company for, if they don't provide the level of service you require then you don't carry on paying. After all Do you really know these systems better then their makers?
"the reality is that software vendors a. want individuals and businesses to cough up a never-ending flow of juice"
As apposed to paying an expensive IT technician to do a boring menial job? The service is actually much cheaper then paying for in house expert. The economy of scale makes providing an enterprise class system and the appropriate level of support much cheaper then doing the same in house.
You are blind to then benifit because you're afraid for your job, you should be because as an IT technician or administrator which I presume you are, you either need to get with the times or get left on the junk heap.
No one wants to employ a dinosaur whose only interest is keeping his job secure through obfuscation. Services let you as an IT administrator focus on providing a grate service for your users by you having more time to spend on the real problems.
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Is getting fired for circum-navigating your IT security policy really worth it though?
After all you are supposed to be doing work.
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We all need data to do our job weather it be a customer list, technical resources and documentation we use, this information is just as valuble to the company as anything which may have administrator or system only access.
For example your head of sales leave the company with your prospect list and a whole load of competative information which he/she uses to their advantage in their new job.
This is the type of information leak that they are talking about.
Thankfuly there are many security products like "device wall" which allow you to lock down access to devices like usb memory sticks, ipods, bluetooth dongles.
On to your auditing point, if people use this data for their daily job then there will be no unsuall leads to follow. All will look as normal.
You are also assuming that a company which has such weak IT policy and internal security measures will have the ability and time to check logs, corrolate information and track down these data leaks.
It's much easier to implement a system which secures the internal perimiter.
Which I think is the whole point of the artical which many seem to be missing.
I disagree you seem to assume that the only factor in survival of the spicies is sheer numbers.
Having a poulace who are happy and fulfilled in there life may turn out to be more important to the survial of our species then by us simply trying our hardest to prevent the deaths of thoses who want to die.
In sever clinical depression life is hell, keeping someone alive and trapped in a ravaged mind is akin to tourture.
IMO any society which cares for the rights and feelings of an individual can not restrict the right to kill ones self.
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wow that is quite absurd.
Forgot to say I am 900M from the exchange.
So my line noise is very low.
Maybe this helps some with my experiance of bulldog, they tended to sync most people too high (8092Kb) and hence had many people with a poor service. But seems as they where the first full rate service I expect that was to be expected, seems as no one knew quite how well BT phone lines would cope and at what distance people would start crapping out.
I've got two lines, bulldog 8Mb/512Kb (apart from their billing department for a while where the best ISP out there)
Speed is stunning, ping of 8-12 on most uk gaming server.
I also have a bethere adsl2+ 24Mb/1Mb line but port 25 is blocked on be so they don't count as an unrestricted ISP in my books. Altough at £24 a month it is cheap.
Zen just don't cut it at their current prices, 8Mb with only 50GB bandwidth a month for £34? No thanks.
For the same price on bulldog I get free phone calls and unlimited bandwidth add to that the fact I had fullspeed ADSL from bulldog when it was just a wet dream for zen and bt users.
Of course bethere win handsdown for speed, bulldogs adsl2+ package is only 16Mb and still about £10 more then bethere.
Are you telling me there are no unrestricted ISP's in Canada?
Many UK isp's performe trafic shaping on p2p but that's why I'm not with them.
I made sure to choose a completley unrestricted ISP and sure most others who care about the service they recive would also.
My experiance with several family members using the NHS recently was very good.
Waiting list are down to a week or two for most things.
My nan passed some blood and was in for a biopsy within days.
Of cousrse just like the USA you can pay for private health care and get seen instantly but the service we recvie on the NHS is nothing to sniff at.
who dosn't have at least a t1 now?
adsl2+ 24/1 Mb's
yeah rw support has been around since forever, even minix could read fat.
dual booting vista/xp/ubuntu obviously like all other ms os's it whipes the MBR so you need to reinstall grub but that's it.
Dirrerent strokes for different folks, I've got 200+ msn contacts. about 3 yahoo, no aol no aim, no icq.
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http://www.betanews.com/article/MSN_Messenger_Mos
With MSN + installed it's got all the features I need from an IM client.
I thought the other was RC2 not beta 2.
Um..well the BIOS on most PC's is only several 100KB and contains all that is needed for the basic operation of a PC.
So it's only logical to conclude that a VM wouldn't neciserily need to be much larger then this. Especialy if it was running as a layer directly above the BIOS proxying request from the OS to the system and then wrapping up instructions where the VM needs to apply it's own logic.
This type of VM wouldn't need to worry about schedualing or the more compex issues that come of running multiple os's on one machine.
It would merly be acting as an extra set of logic between the system and os.
They sing with a british accent you muppet.
Or you could hold down f2 in MSN and say in to your mic, "Meet at Joe's at 8pm".
Now which was easier?
Got to say I've beta'd vs2005 since it was first offered not experianced a single problem with it.
touch wood. Lol
Virtual Server 2005 has been out for some time. Infact it's gone SP1 already. And altough it's had no direct support for linux it would work.
But just like any virtulization software the OS dosn't perfomre at it's best. ( The same is true for vmware until you install the guest os addin for video and mouse)
I am currently beta testing the vs2005 linux additions pack, which add's linux drivers for scsi, video, mouse drivers, co-ordinated shut down, time sync. Of course the only linux distributions officaly suported are various flavours fo SuSE and Redhat.
But as you see it's not vapour at all it's quite real.
that's why an essential part of any virtulization is qos.
yep runas has been in windows for 6 years now
ipconfig /flushdns
doh
"Either way, software as a service is simply placing too much control over the way I work and do business in the hands of a third party"
You miss the whole point, yes you are handing over control but that is the whole reason to do it. Think about it, your job is to keep the business systems running as cheaply and efficiently as possible not to keep yourself needlessly busy.
Are you really telling me you as mr techy working at an SMB for example can provide a better service then those at these evil service companies? These companies with 24/7 network operation centers, multiple data centers with multiple tier one isp's, masses of fall over capability and masses of highly trained staff who's sole job is keeping this one application running flawlessly.
You seriously think you know more then the guys doing the job for thousands of companies each day?
The reason you should loses control is because you have better thing to do with your time like helping the business grow and not focus entirely on firefighting and being the expert in every area of your companies IT.
You don't currently worry about providing your own telephone network, digging up roads and putting cables down. Instead you trust it to a telephone company who provide you with a service.
The same with snail mail you don't hire your own mail delivery staff and fleet of vehicles. You use a service such as DHL.
It really is the same with IT, why provide services in house on equipment you need to maintain, patch, buy software, train your staff how to maintain and use, provide all the fault tolerance you require and then spend x days a month administering a system when you can just pay for a service with a tight SLA where you get your money back if the service doesn't provide.
If you don't provide then the best your company can do is fire you and hope to find someone else who they then have to train to use the badly documented system my smb techy left behind.
"The problem with that is that I generally don't want my applications to update themselves without my consent"
Again in the real world people want patches as soon as they are released, as long as the initial QA was good there is no problem. This is after all what you are paying the company for, if they don't provide the level of service you require then you don't carry on paying.
After all Do you really know these systems better then their makers?
"the reality is that software vendors a. want individuals and businesses to cough up a never-ending flow of juice"
As apposed to paying an expensive IT technician to do a boring menial job?
The service is actually much cheaper then paying for in house expert. The economy of scale makes providing an enterprise class system and the appropriate level of support much cheaper then doing the same in house.
You are blind to then benifit because you're afraid for your job, you should be because as an IT technician or administrator which I presume you are, you either need to get with the times or get left on the junk heap.
No one wants to employ a dinosaur whose only interest is keeping his job secure through obfuscation. Services let you as an IT administrator focus on providing a grate service for your users by you having more time to spend on the real problems.
Is getting fired for circum-navigating your IT security policy really worth it though?
After all you are supposed to be doing work.
Anyone want to help me redesign the wheel?
We all need data to do our job weather it be a customer list, technical resources and documentation we use, this information is just as valuble to the company as anything which may have administrator or system only access.
For example your head of sales leave the company with your prospect list and a whole load of competative information which he/she uses to their advantage in their new job.
This is the type of information leak that they are talking about.
Thankfuly there are many security products like "device wall" which allow you to lock down access to devices like usb memory sticks, ipods, bluetooth dongles.
On to your auditing point, if people use this data for their daily job then there will be no unsuall leads to follow. All will look as normal.
You are also assuming that a company which has such weak IT policy and internal security measures will have the ability and time to check logs, corrolate information and track down these data leaks.
It's much easier to implement a system which secures the internal perimiter.
Which I think is the whole point of the artical which many seem to be missing.
I disagree you seem to assume that the only factor in survival of the spicies is sheer numbers.
Having a poulace who are happy and fulfilled in there life may turn out to be more important to the survial of our species then by us simply trying our hardest to prevent the deaths of thoses who want to die.
In sever clinical depression life is hell, keeping someone alive and trapped in a ravaged mind is akin to tourture.
IMO any society which cares for the rights and feelings of an individual can not restrict the right to kill ones self.
Why not assume the converse, that suicude is natures way of keeping geens of those predispositioned to depression out of the pool?
if you had physical access to the network, sniffing and then spoffing ip adds and mac adds' wouldn't be too dificult.