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Porn Industry Trials Burnable DVDs

nukular writes "The LA Times has an article discussing porn giant Vivid following the likes of King Kong in allowing users to download and burn movies to DVD. Unlike in the Hollywood plan, these DVDs will be viewable on other DVD players." From the article: "Despite their obvious differences, adult and mainstream entertainment companies face similar pressures in the Internet age. Both are grappling with how to deliver content securely and reliably to devices in a variety of ways, whether it's prepackaged on DVD for TVs or sent wirelessly to cellphones. Both also want to capitalize on digital delivery methods but can't afford to undercut their retail partners: big-box stores such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. for the major studios and mom-and-pop video shops for the porn producers. They also fear online piracy, which the music industry partly blames for its lackluster sales."

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  1. Wait..... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 5, Funny

    * stops burning porn DVDs long enough to read /. *

    Hey, wait...we're allowed to do this now? Sweet!

    * resumes burning porn DVDs *

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    1. Re:Wait..... by IAmTheDave · · Score: 5, Funny
      * stops burning porn DVDs long enough to read /. * Hey, wait...we're allowed to do this now? Sweet!

      Yes, but you see, this is like, one high quality movie per DVD. The burning that you (*cough* and I *cough*) currently engage in involves some 1500 3.2mb 100 px x 100px RealMedia or Divx files, all painstakingly categorized by number of women, boob size, and point of penetration.

      Right? I mean, everyone does that, right?

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    2. Re:Wait..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Collectors are in for a treat. Hunting down classic pron is like searching for Vinyl. But there is a certain stigma associated with the former as opposed to the latter. Now I just pick from a catalog and download it. I just hope the encoding doesn't have any tracking lines like those vhs -> divx rips you find on the net. Oh well, beggers cant be chosers.

    3. Re:Wait..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excuse me? No we don't all do that.

      Some of us categorize by hair color, shaved or not, and by facial/anal. I'm a romantic at heart.

    4. Re:Wait..... by ettlz · · Score: 2, Funny
      painstakingly categorized by number of women, boob size, and point of penetration.
      You sound like you need a girlfr— nevermind.
    5. Re:Wait..... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      We're not supposed to classify by breast size and glasses/no glasses?

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    6. Re:Wait..... by baadger · · Score: 1

      *waits for porn database guy to make an appearance*

    7. Re:Wait..... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      A database for porn? With drop down menus allowing you to zero in on a red head, large breasted librarian geek girl who admins SCO unix boxes and train llamas?

      Why would anyone need that?

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    8. Re:Wait..... by Minwee · · Score: 3, Funny
    9. Re:Wait..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You mean like this?
      postgres=# \l
      List of databases
      Name | Owner | Encoding
      porn | postgres | SQL_ASCII
      postgres | postgres | SQL_ASCII
      template1 | postgres | SQL_ASCII
      (3 rows)
    10. Re:Wait..... by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are seriously not enough porn chicks with glasses.

    11. Re:Wait..... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      "There are seriously not enough porn chicks with glasses."

      That's because they get in the way of the 'facials'....

      :-P

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    12. Re:Wait..... by silverdr · · Score: 1

      Right? I mean, everyone does that, right?

      No, some collect this on evergrowing RAID arrays...

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    13. Re:Wait..... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Whatever, you poser. Did you design a relational database schema with over 50 tables, 70 relationships, and the ability to store metadata about every single conceivable detail?

      I thought so.

      (free beta accounts to all that want 'em!)

    14. Re:Wait..... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      Hi.

    15. Re:Wait..... by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This clearly shows TMI on my part, but there are a number of lines that feature "geek" women, and a larger number still that feature women with glasses. "Specs Appeal," comes to mind - and it features women with glasses, and yes, it features them getting...messy.

      On a side note, there are also a large number of "goth" themed videos; and if you choose wisely, you can just find...fair skinned dark haired counter-culture women, and not freakishly tatooed and pierced women.

      Trust me, whatever your darkest fantasy that you'd never reveal to your best friend....there's a movie series for you :)

    16. Re:Wait..... by ottothecow · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because girls like to take their glasses off when they...oh nevermind, its /., you wouldnt know that.

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    17. Re:Wait..... by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      I'll take one (your email isnt working)

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    18. Re:Wait..... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1

      I have an email account set up just for this, it's a link on the homepage.

    19. Re:Wait..... by whimmel · · Score: 1

      You mean like searchextreme.com ?

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    20. Re:Wait..... by imboboage0 · · Score: 1
      There are seriously not enough porn chicks with glasses.
      What amazes me is that he was moderated Insightful instead of funny. =D
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    21. Re:Wait..... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That's because they get in the way of the 'facials'....

      No problem.

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    22. Re:Wait..... by Joel+from+Sydney · · Score: 1
      Ain't that the truth! I never thought anyone would be interested in watching people have sex with goats that are on fire, but I've since been proven wrong!

      Links available on request!

    23. Re:Wait..... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Three times, no less. XD

  2. TGP by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    Why pay?

    IMy friend was heavily into downloading porn. It's amazing how much free stuff is out there, judging by his massive collection.

    1. Re:TGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, that's it. You have this friend, yeah and he has this porn collection ...

    2. Re:TGP by icydog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your post is redundant. He already said this. See where he says "IMy friend"? That is newspeak for "I have this friend, and he..."

    3. Re:TGP by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      Sure. It's free if your time is worth nothing. :)

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    4. Re:TGP by santaliqueur · · Score: 0

      www.empornium.us will satisfy anyones porn fix.
       
        even your average slashdotter.

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    5. Re:TGP by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Probably for many of the same reasons that music stores like iTunes doing so well despite the same content being traded over P2P for free. Convience, gaurenteed level of quality, speed, less hassle, and the desire to support the people who... uh... make the content. Online porn is proof that you can still make lots of money without oppressive DRM, suing your fanbase, and bribing the government. The RIAA/MPAA really should take notice.

  3. Too good to be true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be too soon for the industutry to get sued for community standards since they are responsible for standards at your location. If walmart sold pr0n dvds, however, they would be revered as cutting edge and it would be so successful that it would put all the pr0n mom and ,err, pop shops out of buisness.

    Thank you play again.

    1. Re:Too good to be true by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once this hits the err.."mainstream", there will be many people wondering why thy can't do this with that latest Star Wars movie, or Harry Potter flick. Yay porn industry, innovating for consumers yet again.

  4. Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by marcello_dl · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Catholic Italy, pr0n burns YOU! :)

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    1. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't give this idea of Italians.. Mr. B did just enough to ruin our imagine all over the world...

    2. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by clydemaxwell · · Score: 1

      I've recently learned that porno is surprisingly difficult to burn.
      Long story.
      [/offtopic]

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    3. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by shrubya · · Score: 1

      Dude, don't knock Italian porn! It's the ONLY country in the world where a member of parliament was also a hardcore actress. Yes, at the same time!

      C'mon, imagine YOUR region's federal legislator as a porn star. Imagine it ... if you DARE.

    4. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      I've recently learned that porno is surprisingly difficult to burn.

      Yep, but it least it doesn't burn when you pee afterwards...

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    5. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong country/religion. Italy had a hardcore porn star, Cicciliona, in the parliement and she even bared her boobs during her campaign. Find a country where someone bares her boobs to get votes.

      You may hit the target (and are funnier) if you say "In Islamic Saudi Arabia, pr0n burns you." But be prepared to be called an Islamophobe for making fun of Islam.

    6. Re:Slashdot is too sinner-centric... by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Indeed :) I recall about Cicciolina. I fervently hoped her election would turn the Parlamento into a porn flick stage, thus improving the democratic life (if politicians are busy screwing each other they have less time to screw the electorate). Didn't work, and she almost became one of THEM. It was horrible.

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  5. "Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're British) by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Verbing nouns weirds language.

  6. Common Sense by Tx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're going to charge a comparable price for the downloadable movie, it can't be an inferior product to the purchased disc, or it just won't fly. Hence needs to be watchable on a regular DVD player like a purchased DVD. Still seems a bit steep compared to some, erm, other sources of pr0n though.

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    1. Re:Common Sense by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      and witha burned DVD they can not guarentee that at all.

      burned DVD's if properly authored will have a 90% sucess rate playing on set top DVD players. but certianly not 100% and it drops further if you use a DVD+R as those are less compatable than a DVD-R disc. And god help you if you try a dual layer. I have yet to get one of those to play in ANY dvd player.

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    2. Re:Common Sense by esme · · Score: 1

      Ordinarily, I'd agree with you. But not for pr0n. But I would bet that being able to get it in the privacy of your home, nearly instantly is worth a lot of money to some people. Sure there's free pr0n around, but I imagine the pay-content is going to be higher quality.

      -Esme

    3. Re:Common Sense by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...it drops further if you use a DVD+R as those are less compatable than a DVD-R disc. And god help you if you try a dual layer. I have yet to get one of those to play in ANY dvd player."

      Actually, I've found the opposite to be true...I couldn't get hardly any of my DVD-R's to play, but, all DVD+R's did. And I've yet to have a dual layer (which is +R) to fail to play on any commercial dvd player I've tried it on....maybe you need a new burner or burning software?

      I pretty much just use dvdbackup to extract info, mkisofs to make an iso of the backup, and then growisofs to burn the dvd....works pretty fast and consistantly.

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    4. Re:Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself and 30 others tried over 200 different DVD players and found that DVD-R is more compatable. Even higher compatability can be achived if the DVD is authored correctly as well as using a older version 1.2 DVD file format standard. Typically any DVD authoring program that is easy to use will not create a compatable DVD. DVD lab and other pro-level dvd authoring programs will ..DVD-IT and the ither junk sold to the public in the $39.95->$139.95 software bin is complete and utter garbage and those work best on a DVD+R compatable player.

      Older DVD players are DVD-R compatable as well as all high end DVd players. newer cheap players use a PC drive and can read almost anything. but you can not rule out the rich guy with a $6500.00 Denon Dvd player or the person with a 13 year old dvd player.

      Feel free to check online for others that found the same to be true. Most DVD authoring and copying sites mirror our results and also show that DVD-R is the highest in compatability.

      for example... videohelp.com dvd compatability article
        another one

      there are gobs more that support my and lumpy's findings. DVD-R is more compatable overall.

    5. Re:Common Sense by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      That's what I'd heard...that the -R were the most compatible...just found they didn't work on my Sony commercial player....so I went to +R and it worked just fine.

      Pay for DVD authoring software? Who does that...?

      :-)

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  7. Finally I'm able to download porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will change my life completely!

  8. yet another reason by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 2, Funny

    why i need a bigger tv

    1. Re:yet another reason by CFD339 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Its probably not your TV that needs to be bigger. Read your spam for instructions. I'm sure someone in there has some 'helpful' suggestions on how you can solve this issue.

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  9. What is the first thing said after downloadng xxx? by digitaldc · · Score: 1, Funny

    It burns, it burns!

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  10. Phone Porn!?! by RingDev · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Both are grappling with how to deliver content securely and reliably to devices in a variety of ways, whether it's prepackaged on DVD for TVs or sent wirelessly to cellphones"

    Wow, that would explain my co-workers extended bathroom breaks with his new Verizon 3g phone.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:Phone Porn!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to add an extra layer of toilet paper to the seat if you use it after him.

    2. Re:Phone Porn!?! by LS · · Score: 1

      It seems rather strange that you track when your coworker is going to the bathroom, what bodily possessions he happens to have on him at the time, and how long he spends in the bathroom.

      Are you sure that "my co-worker" is not a euphamism for "myself"???

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    3. Re:Phone Porn!?! by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Na, you see, I was recently promoted to the middle management position in charge of telling time. I use an automated SMS messaging system to track his bathroom time.

      -Rick

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  11. Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by microbrewer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cinemanow owns and operates All Adult Entertainment the distributor of Vivid's Videos so Hollywood is already onto this and owns the technology to distribute burnable movies .They are using porn as their sacrificial lamb to see if the content ends up on Usenet or P2P networks in the next 3 months .

    Cinemanow is a subsidiary of Sony Entertainment .

    1. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by JeremyALogan · · Score: 1

      What I'm curious about is the fact that almost all porn DVDs are region free (and they advertise it on the boxes)... they know that it's a plus. Why can't the Holywood mainstream figure this out?

    2. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by gowen · · Score: 2, Funny

      A hell of a lot of porn is better paced, and better plotted than Jackson's King Kong, too.

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    3. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I saw recently that Jenna Haze's annual salary is $150k. That is with being several dozen movies. Now compare that to the average Hollywood movie star per picture salary. Though if you calculate a per hour figure, there is a bit more parity.

      The average porn video cost to produce is in the thousands, not millions.

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    4. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by Silkejr · · Score: 1

      Well of course they'll still end up on Usenet, but at least they'll be more popular with paying customers.

    5. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Not only region free, but CSS-encryption free as well.

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    6. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      What's the point of CSS besides region-coding?

    7. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So?
      If a porno makes more money when it's region free, then a non-porno will make more money when it's region free. Cost of production doesn't make a difference to how you maximise profits.

      The difference is probably more to do with a) small print runs, so doing 1 large run and selling worldwide is better than 3+ small ones (budget niche films do the same thing) and b) better export potential, because who gives a fuck if your porno is in Japanese or German, it's still sex.

    8. Re:Cinemanow is Vivids Distributor by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Copy protection (albeit very weak and easy broken copy protection). If you try to make a direct duplicate of a protected DVD you get an encrypted copy, but there's no way to replicate the CSS decryption key. That's why you have to use DVD Decryptor, DVD Shrink, or similar tools to duplicate a DVD, rather than just making an ISO directly and then burning. Those tools have to crack the CSS and then recreate a completely new ISO in which the data is stored in an unencrypted form. For DVD's that don't use CSS, you can directly duplicate and they still work fine.

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  12. since when... by mangus_angus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could you download porn on the internet?!! I've just been taping my neighbors at night....

  13. Huh? by Goldmund · · Score: 4, Funny

    *scratches head*

    People pay for pr0n?

    I had no idea. Suckers.

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People pay for pr0n?

      They would if it could be done anonymously. Do you have any idea how much money the porn industry could make if it could figure out how to receive payments anonymously?

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Blowers.

  14. Technology marches on by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A top producer of hard-core porn will start selling downloadable movies that customers can burn to DVD and watch on their TVs, illustrating how Southern California's multibillion-dollar adult entertainment industry may again set the technological pace for Hollywood.

    Heck, adult entertainment has been behind a lot or major breakthroughs in technology:

    • The VCR - porn at home
    • Chat rooms - talk to others about and trade porn
    • The Web - find any porn you want, anytime
    • DVDs - high quality porn

    I suspect this will continue on into the arena of full 3-D sensoround technology, whenever that become available.
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    1. Re:Technology marches on by GigG · · Score: 1

      I suspect this will continue on into the arena of full 3-D sensoround technology, whenever that become available.

      Just as long as Smellivision is never used in the porn industry they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned.

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    2. Re:Technology marches on by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

      People can laugh all they want but already a number of the more profitable companies making adult movies are seriously looking at making movies in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray high-definition disc formats. The resaon is simple: high-definition video cameras are rapidly dropping in price. Already, you can get prosumer 1080i resolution HDTV camcorders for under US$5,000, and even the type of very high-end 1080p cameras that were used on movies like Star Wars Episodes II and III are dropping to around US$100,000 for a one-time purchase, actually pretty cheap considering how much Panavision wants for camera rentals on just one movie.

      Don't be surprised that the first adult movies in HD-DVD/Blu-Ray formats goes on sale by mid to late Fall 2006. I believe one company has already done a number of adult movies in 1080i format, so they already have the movies ready for the conversion to these formats when workstations mastering HD-DVD/Blu-Ray discs become widely available.

    3. Re:Technology marches on by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      Just as long as Smellivision is never used in the porn industry

      Dude, you're hanging with the wrong women. OTOH, if they bring out scratch n catch, I'm not buying.

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    4. Re:Technology marches on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I'd heard that hi-def was one area they were shying away from. Their logic? HD brings out some things you just don't want to see on the, um, actors.

    5. Re:Technology marches on by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'd heard that hi-def was one area they were shying away from. Their logic? HD brings out some things you just don't want to see on the, um, actors.

      I've heard that story but yet, some adult movie companies are using 1080i HDTV cameras for at least a year, so they will be ready for HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray formats.

    6. Re:Technology marches on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be surprised that the first adult movies in HD-DVD/Blu-Ray formats goes on sale by mid to late Fall 2006.

      I've been waiting for my 60 inch high-def projection cum-shots.

    7. Re:Technology marches on by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...lready a number of the more profitable companies making adult movies are seriously looking at making movies in HD-DVD or Blu-Ray high-definition disc formats."

      I dunno if I want my pr0n in HD. I mean, who wants to see ass pimples with that much clarity?

      And also, one year I was in Vegas during Adult-dex....and saw some of those pr0n starts up close...man, some of those faces, even with lots of makeup caked on, were not pretty up close...I've seen less craters on the moon that on some of those ladies.

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    8. Re:Technology marches on by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      In addition to the "you forgot some" reply...

      - Cave art
      - Stone henge

      Man is a sexual being.

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    9. Re:Technology marches on by Xtravar · · Score: 1

      That was Playboy's stance. Not hardcore studios...

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    10. Re:Technology marches on by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 1

      I think they probably also have a lot to do with the invention of the hands free remote control http://kmakbar.trustpass.alibaba.com/product/10885 029/Voice_Remote_Control.html

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    11. Re:Technology marches on by olman · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Good old softening filter -school of pr0n movies. Called couples movies because they're so boring you end up fondling your gf instead!

  15. How do you market it, though? by SuperRob · · Score: 1

    Marketing is going to be an interesting challenge. "Now your penis won't be the only thing burning ..."

  16. One handed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    One handed dvd burning must be supported, a kind of single sign on portal to subscribe/pay/burn/play so your god hand is not used to get the keys messy etc..

    1. Re:One handed by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      Its ok, you just have to avoid sticky keys...

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    2. Re:One handed by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Its ok, you just have to avoid sticky keys...

      Don't you just have to hit "Shift" like 5 times to get the option to turn off those sticky keys?

      Oh... wait... ooooh...

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    3. Re:One handed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your "god hand"?

      Oh! I get it, the hand that makes you say "Oh god, oh god, oh god!"

    4. Re:One handed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh! I get it, the hand that makes you say "Oh god, oh god, oh god!"
      Gimme that old tyme religion.

  17. mom-and-pop ? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 3, Funny
    mom-and-pop video shops for the porn producers? Now that's what I call a family-oriented business -- run by families, for families.

    God Bless America!

    1. Re:mom-and-pop ? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Of course, mom and pop stores that sell pr0n will henceforth be referred to as "MILF and Big Daddy" stores.

    2. Re:mom-and-pop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they're mostly just run by pop :)

    3. Re:mom-and-pop ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Germany they're run by poop.

  18. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    You missed the credit to Bill Watterson (or even to calvin) with your quote.

  19. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm British and it's still "is a noun", sorry!

    .

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  20. Re:What is the first thing said after downloadng x by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 1

    "Where's the hot lesbian action this file promised?"

  21. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    Do you say "Microsoft aren't ever going to release Vista" or "Microsoft isn't ever going to release Vista"?

  22. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by OctoberSky · · Score: 1, Funny

    Fine grammar-nazi, how's this.

    "Porn Industry Pulls Out Burnable DVDs"

  23. Porn Industry *Trials* Burnable DVDs ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Tries, damn it! Tries!

  24. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1, Funny

    This joke

    My head

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  25. Burning porn? by consonant · · Score: 1

    MAN those would be some hot DVDs...

  26. old saying by trybywrench · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's that old saying.. "no tech. can be considered a success until it's adopted by the porn industry".

    If anyone can figure this out it's them.

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  27. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

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  28. This may be a hit! by betasaur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In our town, the local Applebees overlooks the local Castle Superstore. My wife and I enjoy watching the customers enter and exit the store while we eat dinner on Friday nights. Maybe those that don't go there just because of this will find this a viable alternative to potentially being seen renting or buying their porn at a retail location?

    1. Re:This may be a hit! by Tenareth · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Because this is America, buying porn is "bad". lol, this country is funny as hell and doesn't even realize how much we look like complete self-interested idiots to the rest of the world.

      Go America... no porn, no nudity... but rip a guys head off while making a joke is perfectly fine family entertainment.

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    2. Re:This may be a hit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell do you eat at Applebees?

    3. Re:This may be a hit! by eln · · Score: 1

      So they can spy on people doing things that are none of their damn business, of course.

    4. Re:This may be a hit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my town, too. maybe we're in the same town. or maybe there's an Applebee's-Castle connection, like they're owned by the same parent company or something.

    5. Re:This may be a hit! by akharon · · Score: 1

      You in tri-cities?

    6. Re:This may be a hit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...mom?

  29. Re:What is the first thing said after downloadng x by fuyu-no-neko · · Score: 2, Funny

    It burns, it burns!

    Use lubricant?

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  30. Much like blockbuster movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Adult Movie industry is suffering from the same problems as Hollywood, and yet again they're blaming it on piracy. The plot lines are boring. I've seen the one with the pizza delivery guy who gets his tip deposited directly. Or the gas station attendent who fills up everyone who pulls up.

    It's not piracy that causes your old model of doing things to tank. Doing enormous budget special effects without a plot isn't what helps porn sell. Most consumers look for good acting with a believable plot. Modern porn movies have all been awesome 3-d eye shots and such.

    And don't get me started on the theatre. Last time I was in the theatre the guy behind me kept moaning and the floor was all sticky. I'm not even sure what they put in my popcorn.

    The sooner that the Adult Movie Industry realizes that quality plots are what makes a movie sell, the better off they'll be. Nobody is interested in the same old tit shot anymore.

    1. Re:Much like blockbuster movies by khedron+the+jester · · Score: 0

      Last time I was in the theatre the guy behind me kept moaning and the floor was all sticky. I'm not even sure what they put in my popcorn.

      What is this again, the cinema or porn?

    2. Re:Much like blockbuster movies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want porn with story, try some hentai (but don't listen to the dubs, porn actresses just can't play). Best known examples are probably Words Worth and Bible Black. Hentai manga is even better (and much more varied), though you need to know moonspeak to enjoy some of the good stuff.

  31. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    heheh Porn Industy Pulls Out

  32. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by TheRaven64 · · Score: 0

    You're really living up to your name BadAnalogyGuy. In English, you say "Microsoft aren't ever going to release Vista" because Microsoft, being a company, are regarded as a plural noun representing the people who, together, comprise the company. You still say '"trials" is a noun' because the word 'trials' is a singular noun. If you say 'trials are a noun' this means that the trials themselves are a noun, not that the word trials is a noun.

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  33. Pr0n was the driving force behind DVD, wasn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the pr0n industry really get behind *ahem* DVD when it was introduced? I recall them being really big proponents of the "multiple angle" feature.

  34. Binaries still available by elhondo · · Score: 1

    As long as people continue to post the original content to usenet, I guess I don't have a problem with this.

  35. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your example uses "are" for a different reason.

    ' "Trials" is a noun' because "Trials" is a single word .... but '"Trials" and "Wood" are nouns' uses are because there are now more than one noun.

    In the Microsoft example company names are treated as plural nouns or some such ... although most people I know over here (under 30s just) would probably say "isn't" rather than "aren't".

    (I did do linguistics at uni .... but I was crap ;)

  36. High tech porn by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have to say, if any industry is going to master digital delivery of movies first, it's going to be the porn industry. They have simply been on top of the technology game and they've made a killing at it. Whereas the RIAA and MPAA are out suing their customers, the porn industry in the past 15 years has seen incredible growth, largely due to the internet.

    If the RIAA and MPAA are smart, they'll keep an eye on how the porn industry operates. But seeing as they've shown no signs of being smart, I doubt that will happen.

  37. Trials -> Tries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verbing nouns weirds language - especially when there is an existing and appropriate verb form for the noun.

  38. Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's great that someone's doing this-- too bad it's Vivid, and not a company whose movies are actually worth burning to a DVD.

    Yes, Vivid girls are gorgeous. The problem is, the Vivid's movies are terrible anymore. They have about as much replay value as Pitfall on the Atari 2600. Vivid relies on star power to move the product, and they don't worry about the video being awful.

    They burned me so many times in the late 90's, that I no longer purchase their stuff no matter how much I like a given star. And they are still maintaining the low level of quality that drove me away-- I've downloaded quite a few of their recent movies via BT, and spent about 5 minutes skipping through each in search of a scene with some perceptible passion and/or heat-- there's just none to be found. They've all gotten promptly dropped into the Recycle Bin.

    1. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you are waaayy too into it.

      Oh, sorry, forgot which website I was on.

    2. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by gowen · · Score: 1
      spent about 5 minutes skipping through each in search of a scene with some perceptible passion and/or heat
      Puh-lease. Don't try and pass off your personal preference for certain types of porn for some sort of objective aesthetic judgement. Wouldn't it be dull if everyone found the same sorts of things arousing?
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    3. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      FWIW, Red Light District is also offering this service.

    4. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by drewski3420 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They've all gotten promptly dropped into the Recycle Bin.

      Dude, that's how your parents find out! You've gotta Shift+Del.

    5. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by JeremyALogan · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I work at a porn shop and we have a huge wall of Vivid videos (literally a few hundred). You know what? No one ever rents them. They get rifeled through regurlarly, but no one want them. To back up what you were saying, we have shelf after shelf of "star" videos by them and the vast majority of them have never been rented... not even once. To quote the "Who is Paul Thomas and why don't we like him?" question from the RAME FAQ:
      Paul Thomas (also known informally as PT), a big star in 70's porno and the main director of 90's adult video powerhouse Vivid, has often been a target for derision in this group for his efforts. The accusation is that his films are pretentious and unexciting, and that more frequently than not he appears to forget he's shooting a porn flick and not some cheesy daytime soap.
      So yeah, I'm with you. I'd rather see some people with more talent an clout do this first.
    6. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've downloaded quite a few of their recent movies via BT, and spent about 5 minutes skipping through each in search of a scene with some perceptible passion and/or heat-- there's just none to be found. They've all gotten promptly dropped into the Recycle Bin.

      *grumble*damn leechers*grumble*

      You could at least seed for a few more minutes, so other people have a full vid that they can drop in the recycle bin.

    7. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is that some people find boring uninspired porn arousing? Because that is exactly what vivid produces. Any possible aspect of a vivid movie that you find arousing is most likely being done 10x better by some other company.

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    8. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by gowen · · Score: 1

      No. I'm saying describing something "boring, uninspired" is a subjective judgement, in which your personal preferences and peccadilloes are far more important than any objective qualities of the thing described.

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    9. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      This isn't a case of "oh I like high heels and leather with goats better than boring everyday porn". Even if you like plain vanilla intercourse porn, vivid is still crap. That's what the parent post was trying to tell you. Whatever category of porn turns your crank, vivid doesn't do it well.

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    10. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Score:3, Informative"

      Only on Slashdot...

    11. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by gowen · · Score: 1

      OK. I get the point. Your opinions aren't opinions, they're unimpeachable, incontrovertible facts, and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.

      Happy?

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    12. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by TobyWong · · Score: 1

      In this case you are wrong, mainly because you failed to comprehend what the original poster was saying as well as my subsequent hand-holding posts. But by all means please continue to lash out. Vivid is great porn, spice girls movie was top notch cinema, the Lada makes a terrific automobile because everything is subjective and by god, don't you dare try to suggest otherwise!

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    13. Re:Vivid is the Microsoft of porn. by gowen · · Score: 1

      You completely fail to understand that there is no objective measure whatsoever by which to rate pornography. You either like it or you don't.

      You continue to believe that you are capable of making objective aesthetic judgements amount subjective material. And that those objective judgements have some merit beyond "This is what I like" and "This is what I don't like".

      They don't, ok? Your opinions on vivid (like your opinions on Mozart, Miles Davis, Hitchcock, Fellini, Shakespeare, Monet, and my opinions on all these subjects, too) are just that: opinions. There are no standards or sets of aesthetic values to which any artistic is forced to aspire in order to be judged "good"; there are only opinions.

      You cannot tell the difference between your opinion and an objective statement about somethings merit (which is ridiculous because in the realm of creative processes, no objective set of standards exist).

      This is because you are a cretin.

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  39. This makes sense by British · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering the average pr0n title costs a lot less to make than say, King Kong, there is not so much financial risk(er, losses) involved.

    So instead of the pr0n industry helping sway one side of widespread video adoption, it will now walk into the office like it's an expert to do some research.

    1. Re:This makes sense by Miststlkr · · Score: 1

      If this is the case it is hardly a fair test. Look at the demographics involved. I'd be willing to wager that the average pr0n purchaser would be more likely to be the same person distributing files online than the average movie purchaser.

  40. Why pay? by metamatic · · Score: 4, Funny

    To reward the actors and actresses of pr0n, those hard working people who put their asses on the line.

    Often literally.

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    1. Re:Why pay? by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      To say nothing of their producers, who do lines off of their asses.

  41. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by clydemaxwell · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that be context and opinion sensitive, depending on whether you referred to Microsoft as a corporation (singular business entity) or colloquially as 'the guys at Microsoft', which would be a plural group?

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  42. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by ivan+kk · · Score: 1

    Verb the adjective noun.

  43. you forgot some by tacokill · · Score: 1

    You forgot a few that go back a little further....

    * Photographs
    * Silent pictures
    * Early animations
    * Talking pictures (ie: movies with sound)
    * The VCR - porn at home
    * Chat rooms - talk to others about and trade porn
    * The Web - find any porn you want, anytime
    * DVDs - high quality porn


    There. That's a little bit better list.

    And the point, in case people miss it, is that porn has been on the leading edge of EVERY new media delivery mechanism.

  44. Walmart, eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here I was downloading porn. From now on, I'll just go to Walmart.

  45. Umm... by GmAz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    They also fear online piracy, which the music industry partly blames for its lackluster sales."

    Perhaps that what the music industry calls music is just crap that no one wants to buy. My car radio doesn't turn on much anymore because everything I hear sounds the same and isn't that good. When it comes to Rap/Hiphop stations, its all about screwing a bunch of different girls, cheating on your significant other or just about sex in general. The rock stations talk about something sappy, their crappy youth years or something off the wall and has no meaning, just a fun song. Country...ya, don't get me started there. I get angry just hearing country from a distance. And yes, I really do mean angry. Jazz, not my cup of tea, but I can listen to it. My wife likes jazz and I guess you can say I've grown tolerable of it. Classic rock is just getting repetitive. I mean, its classic and all, but I am sure there is a lot of other music from those bands that hasn't been ground into us from those bands. Come on people, play some different songs.

    I am sure piracy has a bit to do with the lackluster music purchases, but not as much as they let on. I for one know exactly how to go out and download music illegally. Do I? No. I am too lazy. I hate getting a song that doesn't work, or is mis-titled or is hard to find. I just listen to the radio, you know, that free music that is broadcast for everyone to hear.

    As for porn. Just watch TV, you get enough softcore porn out of it. Or go to Google Images and search for boobs or naked or something generic and you will get enough pictures to satisfy the normal person. If you are not normal, then I am sure you know plenty of free porn sites.

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    1. Re:Umm... by middlemen · · Score: 1

      you will get enough pictures to satisfy the normal person. If you are not normal, then I am sure you know plenty of free porn sites.

      A large number of people watch hardcore porn. I cannot give a statistic but I am willing to bet atleast 70% of the people in the world who have access to hardcore porn will watch it. Why is it that watching hardcore porn makes one "not normal" ?

    2. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you totally jumped the gun. This is a porn thread. The daily RIAA thread should hit soon.

    3. Re:Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you are not normal, then I am sure you know plenty of free porn sites.

      (Score:4, Insightful) wtf?!?

    4. Re:Umm... by GmAz · · Score: 1

      True, I should have rephrased it. Should have said "For those who want more than just still images of naked women...". Good point.

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  46. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, Microsoft is A company. One. It is singular. "Microsoft ISN'T ever going to release Vista." The majority of English speakers realize this. Too bad you can't.

  47. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    "Porn Industry Pulls Out Burnable DVDs"

    I guess you could say they're sticking to what they know!

    no?

    Those executives really don't want to get caught with (ahem) egg on their face?

    So will the drive eject the disk when it's finished?

    *insert joke about repetitive stress injuries related to inserting and removing DVDs here*

    All your porn are belong to us?

    In soviet internet, porn burns you?

    Ok I'm really coming up with nothing here lol It seems like there's a joke or two to be made here lol

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  48. Be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's probably not a good idea to go around sticking your disk into just any player that happens to be available, without protection. That's how viruses get spread. Be smart and wrap your disk in DRM.

  49. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by gowen · · Score: 1
    Really? The Oxford English Dictionary says :
    Trial, verb, trans. To submit (something, esp. a new product) to a test or trial; to test.


    And whoever told you that one says "'Trials' are a noun" in British English is just as ill-informed as you are. If you're going to be a Grammar Nazi, consider being correct every now and again.
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  50. Old technology. I want new technology by sgant · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Porn has always been the driving force behind new technology in entertainment. But this seems to just be more of the same. Granted, I'm glad they're getting more and more into this, working out the kinks (so to speak) so that mainstream movies may follow suit in the future.

    But I'm waiting for there to be a way to hook into a machine like in the movie Brainstorm or The Matrix where all 5 senses are stimulated and it seems as your really THERE. Of course Dennis Miller said it best: "Folks, the day an unemployed ironworker can lay in his Barc-a-lounger with a Fosters in one hand and a channel flicker in the other and fuck Claudia Schiffer for $19.95, it's gonna make crack look like Sanka"

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    1. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by Jonny_eh · · Score: 1

      Another good movie with the same technology is Strange Days, I highly recommend it.

    2. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Porn has always been the driving force behind new technology in entertainment.

      Lets think about this often quoted saying.

      My parents are pretty average American people. My father bought our first VCR in 1984. To my knowledge I'm the only person that ever watched porn on it, and it was actually the first couple of porn movies I ever saw. A friend brought them over. My father has a computer. Sure, some porn, but that is not the driving force for having a computer and broadband.

      Now, porn does have one special quality. Young males. Young males drive technology, because they are the ones that understand it first. Or at least they understand it more than other age groups.

      Does porn drive portable video games? No. Young males do.

      Unless I'm clueless about how important porn is to people. I believe that people spend more time, effort and money on basic entertainment like movies, music, and TV than porn. The average American spends 4 hours a day in front of the TV. I don't know anybody that likes porn and masturbation enough to even do it for 2 hours every day, let alone 4.

    3. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by acwork2 · · Score: 1

      Ahh but the part your missing is why you watched that porn on VHS and not Betamax! Its the worst kept secret in the broadcast industry that porn is one of the biggest forces that push new technology and cheaper equipment prices.

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    4. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had my days where i go for 2 hours or more.

    5. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by mfrank · · Score: 1

      Compare the cost of making pr0n vs. a Hollywood movie or a video game. Easy to recoup costs, they can experiment with distribution techniques a lot easier.

    6. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by shadwstalkr · · Score: 1

      I think that young males are key in legitimizing a technology once porn has proved that it's viable, but it's middle-aged men with a lot of time and money to experiment with new media delivery technologies that trail blaze. They also don't have to worry about parents or spouses (a lot of them, anyway) seeing an embarassing bill. It's not young men buying porn in hotels, or the porn on demand at home.

      But once the mainstream media providers have started noticing a technology is valid, young men have a good excuse to talk their parents/spouses into the technology. I think you can see this cycle in a lot of wildly popular content-delivery technologies.

    7. Re:Old technology. I want new technology by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      My parents are pretty average American people. My father bought our first VCR in 1984. To my knowledge I'm the only person that ever watched porn on it, and it was actually the first couple of porn movies I ever saw. A friend brought them over. My father has a computer. Sure, some porn, but that is not the driving force for having a computer and broadband.

      The key phrase here is "to my knowledge".

      Now, porn does have one special quality. Young males. Young males drive technology, because they are the ones that understand it first. Or at least they understand it more than other age groups.

      Here's the problem with your hypothesis. Young males - because of the understanding of technology you talk about - are also the people most capable of finding *free* porn (many would react as I do, I'm sure - "people actually *pay* for porn !?")

      Yet, pornography is a *massively* profitable industry. It's one of the few industries where some sort of success is pretty much a guarantee. You can pretty much guarantee the majority of those profits aren't being generated from the "young males" demographic.

  51. Re:What is the first thing said after downloadng x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It burns, it burns!

    Got penicillin?

  52. Snake oil detected by metamatic · · Score: 1

    So according to TFA they're going to sell downloadable content that can be burnt to a regular DVD and hence played in a regular DVD player... but the resulting disc and content is going to be copy-protected?

    I call bullshit.

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    1. Re:Snake oil detected by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing they're planning on using Windows Media Video files. I believe many DVD players support WMA and WMV formats.

    2. Re:Snake oil detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I just assumed they meant CSS.

    3. Re:Snake oil detected by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      I would expect that what you would get as your download would be an ISO image of the DVD, which would be burned straight to the DVD, thereby incorporating all of the standard DVD copy protection mechanisms (i.e., find yourself a DeCSS implementation).

    4. Re:Snake oil detected by metamatic · · Score: 1

      Maybe. CSS isn't really copy protection; it's there for region coding. It does not prevent bitwise copying of DVDs. But the misconception that CSS prevents copying is pretty widespread.

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  53. Walmart? by mbadolato · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Both also want to capitalize on digital delivery methods but can't afford to undercut their retail partners: big-box stores such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. for the major studios and mom-and-pop video shops for the porn producers

    I must have missed something. Exactly which aisle in Wal-Mart are the pr0ns kept? I'm pretty sure that even Super Wal-Mart (or whatever it's called) does not have a pr0n section.

    1. Re:Walmart? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both also want to capitalize on digital delivery methods but can't afford to undercut their retail partners: big-box stores such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc. for the major studios and mom-and-pop video shops for the porn producers

      They aren't saying that porn is in Walmart. They are saying that major studios don't want to burn Wal-Mart and that porn studios don't want to burn the mom-and-pop stores where porn is usually sold.

  54. Nobody interested in what the copy protection is? by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sure, lots of pr0n jokes, but not a single elaboration on the copy protection mechanism? Excuse my ignorance, but isn't the key area of DVDs unwritable either on typical DVDR media? So what form of copy protection is going to be used that will a) be burnable by a PC and b) be readable by a generic DVD player?

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  55. Burnable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I alone in initially reading the headline and thinking that these were DVDs that could be quickly disposed of in fire? "Honey, the kink police are coming! Hurry, burn the DVDs."

    1. Re:Burnable by Yaotzin · · Score: 1

      No, I had the same thought. :-P

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    2. Re:Burnable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Honey, the kink police are coming!"

      Who cares? They will just take me away in handcuffs

  56. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by armb · · Score: 1

    I say "Microsoft" has 9 letters, not "Microsoft" have 9 letters.
    We might say "trials are ongoing", but that's talking about some trials. '"Trials" is a noun' is talking about the word, not about some trials.

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  57. Why bother by Straif · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You can't download anything nowadays over a P2P network without getting a full DVD quality porn.

    Whether it's the latest Linux distro of your choice or Ice Age 2, you can almost guarentee that at least one of the results is just a misnamed full length porn.

    There essentially trying to come up with a plan to sell ice to eskimos.
    Definately an uphill battle.

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    1. Re:Why bother by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can't download anything nowadays over a P2P network without getting a full DVD quality porn.

      Whether it's the latest Linux distro of your choice or Ice Age 2, you can almost guarentee that at least one of the results is just a misnamed full length porn.

      There essentially trying to come up with a plan to sell ice to eskimos.
      Definately an uphill battle.


      Well imagine what it's like for those actuallying wanting porn... wanting for example "Dikes on Bikes - The Slippery Road" and end up getting *"Gay Canadian Studs - Love me Love my Butt", or worse yet, a Linux distro.

      *- all titles used in this post are purely fictional. Any similarity to actuall porn living or dead is purely coincidental. Really!

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    2. Re:Why bother by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      There essentially trying to come up with a plan to sell ice to eskimos.
      Definately an uphill battle.

      That must be why the porn industry is doing so poorly.

    3. Re:Why bother by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Whether it's the latest Linux distro of your choice or Ice Age 2, you can almost guarentee that at least one of the results is just a misnamed full length porn.

      It's not going to be a Linux distro, since distros aren't videos, and most people would just count it as corrupt, and delete.

      However, it's trivially easy to get around this problem. You click the little button to list all the altenative locations, and when you see that 95% of them have a different name, you know it's been misnamed. Simple as that. Move on to the next one.

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  58. Porn piracy is huge..... by ShyGuy91284 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One may not think so, but on newsgroups, porn groups are among the most popular by far. The amount and variety of porn circulating on newsgroups is impressive to say the least, at least on commercial hosts you have to pay for (so all you youngins can't just use your ISP newsgroups most likely to get your porn fix). I can't even ponder how much it would have messed me up if I had access to this much porn as a kid....

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    1. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by uberjoe · · Score: 2, Funny
      I can't even ponder how much it would have messed me up if I had access to this much porn as a kid

      As a young person I can tell you it's not as much as you might think. I think I'm pretty normal as far a porn goes. Now if you'll excuse me I've got to get back to my Midget Trampoline Party 5 video.

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    2. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I can't even ponder how much it would have messed me up if I had access to this much porn as a kid....

      Or perhaps the next generation will be more open-minded.

    3. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One may not think so, but on newsgroups, porn groups are among the most popular by far.

      YOU'RE KIDDING????? OMG!!1!

      I never would have guessed a mechanism to get free porn would be popular.

    4. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by vodkamattvt · · Score: 1
      I can't even ponder how much it would have messed me up if I had access to this much porn as a kid....

      Let's just say that your life is empty and you are hopelessly addicted to porn with no real contact with the opposite sex.

      Oh wait, thats not really different from the average slashdotter.

    5. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Newsgroups: I wish there was a demoting moderation called "Shhhhhhh."

    6. Re:Porn piracy is huge..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to Arab mathematicians, however, I am fully able to ponder how much it would have messed you up as a child.

      Zero.

  59. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In "The guys at Microsoft are ...," the subject of the sentence is "guys," not "Microsoft." The subject is plural, so you use the plural form of the verb. "...at Microsoft..." is a phrase that modifies the subject noun. It doesn't alter the verb form in any way.

  60. Copy Protection Methods by BoredWolf · · Score: 3, Informative

    The way current copy protection works on DVDs is actually quite simple. While the DVD is burning, bad sectors of data are written to the disc. Your computer attempts to read those bad sectors and freaks-out, thus preventing you from watching the DVD on your computer. Conventional DVD players just skip the bad sectors and continue reading from the disc. Burning the data to DVD would work exactly the same as it currently does, except you would actually be writing small bad sectors into the DVD, preventing you from copying that DVD. Therefore, the only protection needed would be some sort of DRM or encryption for the downloaded data so that users can only burn 1 DVD (using some sort of proprietary software, possibly), and can't send the download to others. Of course, you can/i? circumvent all of this by using transcode or analog video streaming... but most people aren't going to go through this trouble for their porn. The porn industry has been successful because they know people will pirate their products, but they aren't necessarily looking to collect the profit that is 'rightfully theirs', they're looking to make a certain amount or percentage of profit per video they film. If you make back even 10 times what you spent to film, what's the point of spending more money to squeeze another 5% profit out of the pirates?

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  61. The porn industry is at the lead, they led spam. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The porn industry has pushed the internet in both good and bad ways. They pushed up bandwidth, video quality, and computer speed.

    I believe that porn is the biggest money maker on the Internet. One spammer that I sued, was making approximately $200k/week on 4 crappy porn sites.

    Vivid is a spammer. I received spam from them and they are being sued. For more information you can go to http://www.myspamsuit.com/

  62. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people in a company do not constitute a single person, at least to those of us who live in countries where the corporations don't own the courts.

  63. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

    To save confusion, I say "Microsoft will never release Vista".

  64. link plz! by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the OSS spirit, I rolled up my sleeves and started googling around for a HOWTO make my own porn, but all I came up with was this HOWTO Put Porn On Your iPod!

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    1. Re:link plz! by Skroggtar · · Score: 1

      1.Get off Slashdot 2.?? 3.Sex!

    2. Re:link plz! by IAmTheDave · · Score: 1
      but all I came up with was this

      There is nothing more brilliant than the fact that this has already been modded +1 informative. "Hmm... porn on iPod you say... well that's damned informative!"

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    3. Re:link plz! by Fordiman · · Score: 1

      Read the HOWTO on using Video for Linux, the portion of the mencoder HOWTO on encoding video for DVDs, and the manual for dvdauthor (how to make a working DVD filesystem).

      That doesn't, of course, address lighting, scene setup, etc, however there are a number of good home-movie tutorials on the intarweb.

      Lastly, it doesn't address the concept of how to get a girl to have sex with you, but seriously, if you have to ask, you'll never know.

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  65. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait wait wait just one minute here...We are having a legitimate deiscussion about porn and you guys want to steer the discussion towards grammar???

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  66. Re:The porn industry is at the lead, they led spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The porn industry has pushed the internet in both good and bad ways. They pushed up bandwidth, video quality, and computer speed.

    So, porn has been better for the internet than frivilous lawsuits? Go figure.

  67. Oh, that kind of burn. by AusIV · · Score: 1

    I read this and the first thing to run through my mind was flammable DVDs. A few years back some DVD producers were making DVDs that would expire after a few days, effectively becoming rentals you don't have to return. I saw the headline and I was thinking that with these new DVDs, you could burn them once you had finished with them, perhaps as an attempt to dispose of any evidence.

  68. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1
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  69. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by gowen · · Score: 1

    Talking about porn makes about as much sense as dancing about mathematics.

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  70. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by dsgitl · · Score: 1

    In America, yes. But the British disagree. Considering they invented the language, it's at least worth listening to their opinion.

  71. Re:you forgot some, too by Colonel+Angus · · Score: 1

    ...and streaming content, and online credit card transactions...

  72. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

    Apparently you haven't heard of Contra dancing http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc97/6_14_97/ mathland.htm

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  73. Re:What is the first thing said after downloadng x by Steve+B · · Score: 4, Funny
    It burns, it burns!

    Sounds like you need better antivirus protection.

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  74. OOH! by springbox · · Score: 1

    Ha. I seriously thought they were trying to figure out a way to make disposable DVDs that you could burn to "hide the evidence" when I read that title.

  75. Here's a crazy thought . . . by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have any of the content industries tried trusting their customers?

    Downloading and burning a DVD is going to be too big of a pain for lots of people. For it to work in most DVD players, it's gotta be MPEG2 which means downloads of several gigs per title. They could cut that down a lot w/ an MPEG4 variant, but then the customer will have to transcode to MPEG2 which can take hours . . . so from their perspective, no time saved.

    Why not release the whole library for pay-per-minte streaming, and offer an option to download the title (DRM-free) for an extra fee? Customers get to browse pr0n to their heart's content, and can download and burn titles they especially like. The studios get more revenue because it's cheap and quick on the streaming side, and they'll probably curb a lot of piracy--why bother wading through usenet and p2p networks when you can preview and download whatever you want much more efficiently for reasonable rates?

    God forbid someone downloads a DVD, burns it, gives a zillion copies to their friends, etc. Because . . . you know . . . I'm *sure* that *never* happens with rented porn DVDs already . . .

    There has always been and always will be piracy. The best way to minimize it is to offer your consumers what they want, how they want it, and at prices that make for a better value and less effort than going out and getting it illegally.

    1. Re:Here's a crazy thought . . . by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      There has always been and always will be piracy. The best way to minimize it is to offer your consumers what they want, how they want it, and at prices that make for a better value and less effort than going out and getting it illegally.

      Clearly you've never ordered from the Adam and Eve catalog. Just see that joke from MST3k the movie "this island earth".

      I've never ordered from them, thank god. The problem isn't the fact that they are bastards, or they have bad prices, or anything along those looks. Looks like they have plenty 'o porn for $10 and under including such lovely titles like "Lesbians in Heat" and "Get off with Carmen". "Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp" is only $5.00 for crying out loud on VHS and apparently a sequal to "Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle" directed by Michael Martin Drew Rose.

      From my understanding, ordering from them means you get free gifts, lots and lots of free gifts. I don't think price is an issue... should I wish to get "Ass Angles 4" with it's advertised 4 hours and 17 backdoor scenes on DVD... that's only $10.00. That's alot of ass, that's only 60 cents per ass. I don't know the going rate for ass but to me... for ass, that sounds most reasonable. I think the big thing is being able to get your ass without your flat being flooded with catalogs, and free gifts. This may affect your cost per ass, for better or worse I don't know, but people generally prefer to enjoy their ass privatly... they get embarased when others discover they are enjoying pre-recorded ass. Pirated ass enjoys this benifit.

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  76. Porn industry has more incentive by jnull · · Score: 1

    Let us not forget that Internet download has discretion and timeliness on its side. Not many want to go down to the local porn store, risking their *** seeing their car in the lot, to thumb through porn--to inconvenient and public. Also, sexuality is driven by fleeting moments, so mailing for porn doesn't satisfy that need. This is all old news for Internet porn gurus... this just ups the quality and competes with subscription porn channels. Go porn.

  77. I think they know already by 2short · · Score: 2, Informative


    They already know that the content will end up on Usenet and P2P almost imediately, just like their main-stream "non-burnable" content does. Because one person with the know-how/equiptment to get around the DRM and upload it is all it takes. They can't do much about that, and they know it.
      Making it "non-burnable" annoys some people, but defeats the large number of people who would give or lend all their buddies a copy, but don't have the ability to burn them. This is not as big an issue with porn, because people don't typically do a lot of lending porn to their friends; so the industry may as well let you burn it.

  78. *COUGH* dvd-quality porno bittorrent tracke by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Informative

    puretna.com

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  79. Re:Cinemanow is not a subsidiary of Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get your facts straight...

  80. ask nicely by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    How Frivilous?? Lets see, they hired people to spam, they spammed me, there are laws against spamming, I have clear notices that spam is not welcome. How else to stop them?

  81. Re:Nobody interested in what the copy protection i by DJKC · · Score: 1

    No. You can burn perfectly playable video DVDs on DVD-R and DVD+R. Have been able to from their introduction. The only thing I can think of like what you're describing is PSX/PS2 games which have an unburnable section on them that prevents them from being played if not used in a modded PS2.

    For copy protection, I assume it's tied to a program and does something like what Apple does with music on itunes - on your hard drive it's in an encrypted format, when you tell the program to burn it then it will decode it all to standard mpeg2 and burn it onto a DVD.

  82. Verbing nouns does weird language... by L33tminion · · Score: 1

    ... but not nearly as much as renounification.

  83. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by iamdrscience · · Score: 1
    the British disagree. Considering they invented the language, it's at least worth listening to their opinion.
    and then promptly disregarding it. C'mon, "Colourisation"? It's got a U you don't need and no Z? Why would anybody not want more Zs in their words? Z is the second coolest letter after X.
  84. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

    It is illogical and inconsistent, however. Everything is made up of smaller parts, and the line is drawn totally arbitrarily. To me, it leads to perceptual and logical confusion.

    Do the British say "my hair are too long" and "the grass are growing"? Because those are both collective nouns as well (and dear god, I hope they don't actually say the two examples I mentioned).

    Do the British say "my outfit sure look nice"? An outfit is made up of a shirt, pants/skirt, belt, hat, etc. So it should be plural, shouldn't it?

    Or is it that there must be a number of people? A company has many people so it is plural... what if the president fires everyone and runs the company by himself? Does the company then become singular?

    What about a handshake? That requires two human hands, doesn't it? That is, unless two monkeys shake hands. Maybe it is the number of living things that decide if something is plural.

    The Earth are round, right? Because the Earth has billions of people, animals, trees, a bunch of water... and let's not forget that the ocean are full of fish (among other things), so that should be plural too, maybe.

    Are towns treated as plural? (I honestly don't know.) A town have multiple people in it, so I would think it should be done that way, logically speaking. Of course, what about a ghost town? Is that now singular, or is it, perhaps, the number of of houses or traffic lights that causes it to be treated as a plural?

    Or... maybe we can just say that if there is one of something, it is singular, no matter what it is made up of. I like that idea.

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  85. Re:Cinemanow is not a subsidiary of Sony by microbrewer · · Score: 1

    Sony and Loinsgate have huge investments in Cinemanow and Movielink .

  86. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  87. Re:Nobody interested in what the copy protection i by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your ignorance is forgiven. Copy protection on DVD's is optional (if desired, a decryption key is embedded into a non-writable portion of the disc, and then the video is encrypted with that key. if desired though, video can be burned encrypted). X-rated DVD's don't have copy protection. Literally. You can do a direct duplicate and it plays fine.

    It's the only industry that has basically called BS on the "piracy" problem. Yeah it'll happen, but it's gonna happen no matter what, and paying customers get ticked when copy protection gets in the way of legitmate uses. They've ignored it, and have make a fortune doing so.

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  88. Re:The porn industry is at the lead, they led spam by Archon-X · · Score: 1

    Did vivid spam you, or did an affiliate of vivid spam you?
    I'm betting it was the latter, and I'm also betting if you emailed vivid, they'd have terminated their account and all monies owing.

    As a 2c, making $200k off 4 sites probably makes them less crappy than you seem to credit them ;)

  89. Nope. Couldn't be. by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    Part of what makes DeCSS a copy protection scheme is that you can't do bit-for-bit copies of CSS encoded discs. You can't write CSS information to DVD-R media; it doesn't support it, even on the so-called "Authoring" grade media.

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  90. Re:The porn industry is at the lead, they led spam by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Their affiliates did. Their attorneys said that they had no responsibility for anyone who links to them.

    There is lots they can do to prevent this:

    1. Check their affiliates first.
    2. Check the referrer information and compare it to the websites that the affiliate
    provided.
    3. Identify the affiliate to the person referred by the affiliate (ie. a button that says "click here to see who sent you").

    Many of the companies that spam through the affiliate programs use the Sargent Schultz defense - "I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing."

  91. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Eccles · · Score: 1

    At the very least, you could say they're trying to improve their market penetration.

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  92. Remember when access was a thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be fair, the Watterson quote was just "Verbing weirds language."
    But yeah, should still give homage to that Calvin & Hobbes strip.

  93. wait a minute.. by scenestar · · Score: 1

    There are seriously not enough porn chicks with glasses.

    That got modded insightfull!?

    God I Love /.

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  94. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by kemichail · · Score: 1

    Actually linguists would more likely argue that language is dynamic and that the written word as well as 'stnadardised english' is a contrivance.

    'Standard' and 'formal' language is generally part of the hierarchical nature of society. What's standard today, and what might be standard tomorrow, for example, might be completely different.

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  95. Am I the only one ... by codebrewery · · Score: 1

    ... who read the title and immediately thought - is this so people don't get caught by their partners/parents/kids with Porn DVDs? Seeing as normal DVDs don't burn too well it seemed like a sensible improvement.

  96. "Partly"? by LuminaireX · · Score: 1

    Since when did the music industry "partly" blame piracy for their decline in sales? From what I've witnessed, they seem to be completely clueless to the fact that their product simply sucks - it's rarely worth purchasing, not to mention overpaying for it.

  97. Re:Nobody interested in what the copy protection i by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    You didn't RTFA, did you? They said explicitly that there would be copy protection, and I quote "The finished disc will be copy-protected to deter piracy."

    Which brings me back to the point - how do they plan on embedding the copy protection and still making it playable? Unless they mean some bogus macrovision non-VHS level monkeying, which I say doesn't count in digital media.

    I must say that I don't know whether or not XXX videos are CSS encoded - I don't own any to try out. I rip most of my DVDs for my HT server, and they all get decoded. I only know the task in one direction - I don't know how I'd go the other way and still make the disc playable.

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  98. Re:Cinemanow is not a subsidiary of Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Loinsgate
    LOL!
  99. Re:The porn industry is at the lead, they led spam by Archon-X · · Score: 1

    That's rubbish, and it's not how affiliate marketting works.
    If I come up to your door selling AmWay and put a gun to your head, who are you going to sue.

    Affiliates sign LARGE, binding contracts to become affiliates, and out of all the companies, Vivid have their legals together.

    What you SHOULD be doing is subpeonaing the affiliate's information, and then you can BOTH happily sue them.

  100. Rubbish? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Humbug!

    First, I sold Bestline 35 years ago and it was not a huge contract, I have looked at the affiliate forms, and they are not huge either.

    Second, this is not the same as Amway. Amway sells the product to the sales person, the sales person pays Amway. Here, the 'affiliate' places an advertisement for the web site, the web site collects the money, then sends the affiliate a cut. The law imparts liability on the web site in this situation.

    Third, generally I contact these companies, and hear nothing back.

    1. Re:Rubbish? by Archon-X · · Score: 1
      1) The contracts I was referring to are not offline contracts.
      From the vividcash.com page:
                https://www.vivid.com/vividcash3/signup.php
      Snips:

      By checking this box, you are indicating that you have read, understood and agreed to all of VividCash's CAN-SPAM rules/regulations as described in our Terms and Conditions.




      2.2 That You will not use any form of mass unsolicited electronic mail solicitations, newsgroup postings, IRC posting or any other form of "spamming" as a means of promoting Your Website or for the purpose of directing or referring users to any websites owned, operated or controlled by Us. That when promoting via the use of e-mail, you will comply with the United States CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the text of which is currently posted at http://www.spamlaws..com/federal/108s877.html). You further acknowledge and agree that We have the right to immediately, and without notice, terminate your participation in the Program if We, in our sole and exclusive judgment, conclude that you have engaged in the use of any form of mass unsolicited electronic mail solicitations, newsgroup postings, password selling or trading, warez, IRC posting or any other form of "spamming". NOTE: WE HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR SPAMMING. IF YOU SPAM, YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM WILL BE TERMINATED, YOU WILL BE BARRED FROM FUTURE PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM AND ALL FUNDS OTHERWISE DUE TO YOU WILL BE FORFEITED TO THE COMPANY.


      of most interest


      5.5 You further acknowledge that neither VividCash nor any employee, associate, agent, assign or successor of VividCash shall exert or provide any direct or indirect control over, monitoring of, supervision of, prior approval of, or review of the content appearing or otherwise distributed on, at or in association with Your Website, and that You shall be solely responsible for any legal liabilities or consequences resulting from the dissemination of that content on or through Your Website.


      I'm not a lawyer, but the people who drafted this most likely were.
      The affiliate who spammed you is bound to those agreements.

      Like I said before - if you contact them via the proper means:
      http://www.vividcash.com/contact.php - and come off 'professional' as opposed to 'aggressive' - you should find that they'd kill the account and happily give your the affiliate information to sue, as outlined in their T&C.

      2) I'm on my high horse over this one, because I happen to work in the industry, and I understand where the problem lies. If you think you hate spam, the industry hates it more, but there are always some arseholes that will try to make a quick buck - and they're the ones that need to be stopped, for your sake, and for the sake of the industry.

  101. Re:Nobody interested in what the copy protection i by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    No, I didn't RTFA. I was at work when I wrote the comment and want to keep the porn article browsing to a minimum ;).

    I'll admit that I have a few XXX DVD's, and none have been copy protected or region coded.

    As to ripping DVD's, you just use a program to decrypt it to an iso and then burn it back to a DVDR unencrypted. It's a very simple process, but even that much is unecessary on (most) XXX DVD's. No I don't have anything by Vivid (and they are a larger name in the industry), but the overwhelming majority do not have any protection (same online. I know Danni's does add WMP9 protection, but I know of no other sites that do).

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  102. this may work for porn by john_uy · · Score: 1

    i guess not a lot of people would want to go to a shop and buy/rent videos. doing it in their homes will get them some privacy.

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  103. "The Internet is for Porn" by cciRRus · · Score: 1
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  104. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that was great, thanks for the laughs.

  105. I agree. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    If they (Porn websites) implemented good practices (such as the ones I suggested), it would cut down on quite a bit of the spam. But generally, when contacted I hear nothing back. But the industry is part of the problem. Of course it has improved over the last 2 years -- maybe because the FTC sued some of them.

    Many of the websites do have those terms, but those terms never seem to be enforced. Yes, don't do it, Wink...Wink.

    There is one company that when sued, they created two more companies to try to avoid judgment. After judgment was entered, they moved their money offshore.

    1. Re:I agree. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      I am under the firm belief that you're coming about this from the wrong tack.
      Programs DO have these terms in place, and WILL terminate, if you email / contact them.
      I have done this countless times w/ email spammers, and I've always gotten replies, and results.

      I notice you say 'generally', so I'm assuming you didn't contact VividCash via their posted emails and ask.

      You say "Many of the websites do have those terms, but those terms never seem to be enforced. Yes, don't do it, Wink...Wink."

      That makes works for tin-foil-hatters; I'd be interested to know which companies, when you requested that they terminate an affiliate's account (via the proper means and methods), told you to jam it.

      I know of only ONE company that is mailing friendly, and they're in Russia, so there's not much anyone can do about that.

    2. Re:I agree. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

      I was contacted by Vivid's attorney, who had said that they are not responsible for anyone who "links to them."

      Out of at least 30 companies I contacted, I heard back from 2. I heard back from the attorneys of 3 of them. One of the attorney's threatened me with an anti-slapp motion if I filed suit.

      I contacted some of the companies by e-mail, then I got spam to the unique e-mail address that I used to contact them.

      What do you define as proper means and method?

    3. Re:I agree. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      This usually works fine for me:
      Go to the affiliate / webmaster page, find the SPAM complaints / main webmaster email and go:
      Dear Sir:
      Attached is the full email of your spamming affiliate XY12345.

      I have receive 3 additional unsolicited emails from them. Please advise how you respond to this.

      [You can extend into suing / subpoena mode here if you like]

      Regards,
      X

    4. Re:I agree. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

      I had one company, when I sent an e-mail, they said sure. After 91, I sent a letter, I hear nothing, after 291, I sued -- they stopped.

      Another company, I called, they were all cooperative. But, then their affiliates from another one of their companies spammed me. This had several companies. The FTC now have a monitor in them as result of a suit.

      What I do is send a demand letter, without the e-mails. That way, if there was real interest, I would hear from them.

    5. Re:I agree. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      I can see what you're trying to do, I'm just trying to point out, as someone who works in the industry, that's just not how it works.

      If you follow the protocol I mentioned in the previous reply, you WILL get results.
      I have made over 34 spam complaints over the last N months, and all 34 were handled.

  106. mod this up +5 funny by deadzaphod · · Score: 1

    This is the funniest link I've seen on slashdot in a quite a while, thanks!

  107. Here you go sir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are CRAZY enough to pay for PORNOGRAPHY: http://www.cumonmyglasses.com/

  108. Re:What is the first thing said after downloadng x by elFisico · · Score: 1

    It burns, it burns!
    Sounds like you need better antivirus protection.

    no, this needs either a better hemorrhoid treatment or a severe cut-back on chilli intake... ;-)

  109. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Cryssen · · Score: 1

    Yes, but the Americans perfected it...when British people sing do they have a British accent or an American accent? Seems to me like if we all sing the same way(non-british) then that must be the more correct approach to the language.

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    "Frisbeetarianism is the belief that when you die, your soul goes up on the roof and gets stuck." -George Carlin
  110. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by drsmithy · · Score: 1
    Everything is made up of smaller parts, and the line is drawn totally arbitrarily.

    But the line isn't arbitrary (well, there are exceptions, as always). The problem seems to be that in English, a collective noun is treated as a plural, whereas in American English, it is not.

    Most of the other words you've picked out as examples (town, Earth, ocean) are *not* collective nouns or plurals, even though they refer to things that could be viewed as groups of other things (or, at least, they aren't in English - presumably they are in American English, though, or you wouldn't have used them).

  111. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

    Well, my central aim was humor; I know it doesn't get quite as absurd as all the cases I listed.

    I still don't feel like I have ever gotten an explanation of why, for example, "company" and "band" qualify as things to be treated as plurals (even though you can have "a band" and "one company"), but "town", for example, doesn't qualify. What would be the criteria that one fits into and the other doesn't?

    And actually, I shouldn't have said "collective" nouns at all, I should have said "mass" nouns, because that is what we are actually talking about here.

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    If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -- Carl Sagan
  112. Re:"Trials" is a noun (are a noun, if you're Briti by scumbaguk · · Score: 1

    They sing with a british accent you muppet.

  113. This idiot is suing Vivid. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    You miss a few things. 1. 6 months after suit, Vivid didn't provide affiliate information. 2. The "affiliate agreement" is a contact between Vivid (or other site) and the spammer, this means that Vivid can sue that spammer for breach. Vivid knows who this affiliate is, do you think they provided the information? Do you think they asked for my help in prosecuting this guy?

    I sued PerfectGonzo and got a judgment over $150k. I have a friend who collected over $100k from PerfectGonzo. Even after being sued, and having a default entered against PerfectGonzo, they still spammed me. Do you think they ever asked for the affiliate information? All they did was try to hide. They had no interest in stopping the spam.

    And this is not like Amway. The affiliates are advertisers, not independant distributors. This is more like the door to door salesman of Great Western Insuance Company in the movie, the RainMaker. Amway, you buy a product from the distributor, the Amway distributor is like a store. Here, the affiliate is only an advertiser for the site owner. The site owner collects the money.

    1. Re:This idiot is suing Vivid. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      1) I am honestly not surprised that Vivid didn't help, if you went in lawsuits blazing. Remember, my point through all of this is that there is A WAY TO DO THINGS in the industry - if you don't follow the rules, you can't expect results. This is the same with anything.

      Sponsors usually won't sue an affiliates, especially when they're out of the country. They usually cut their losses and ban the affiliates. Again, I have never had issues getting affiliate information, but I've followed the guidelines and asked nicely.

      2) PerfectGonzo was the only exception that I mentioned a few posts back. They're the only sponsor I know who are/were spam friendly. You might also find it interesting to know they're hated in the industry for that reason.

      3) I'm not totally familiar with your examples, but all I can say is this - there is no doubt within the industry that affiliates are recognised as being a very different entity from the sponsor company. They are not employees.

      I must ask - if you received an email from someone spamming amazon.com affiliate links - would you go after amazon, or the affiliate - ie, the person who committed the offense?

    2. Re:This idiot is suing Vivid. by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

      I would send something to Amazon, and if I receive no response or a response saying: "we are not responsible for who links to us", then I would. I don't go in "lawsuits blazing." I inform them that I am an ISP, that the spams are in violation of the law, and they are responsible. I am not here to make the "industry happy." I had one person tell me that they are above the law and dared me to sue him. He was a bit upset when I did.

      Actually, Perfect Gonzo is several shell corps in Nevada, Delaware, and Cyprus. From what I have gathered so far, there are people in Budapest and Colorado. There will be much more about them in the next few months. :)

      Affiliates are not employees, but there is still an master/servant relationship. Under CAN-SPAM (in an ISP action) one must show that they knew or intentionally didn't know -- the Sargent Schultz Defense. Under California law, there is almost a strict liability.

      Terminating an affiliate, but not having credentialed the affiliate, does not prevent them from signing up under a different name. If a company is not willing to control their affiliates (ie. a lawsuit), do you think it is a good idea to have them? DO you think a spammer would spam when there information is public to their victims? Since you are in the industry, then you know how easy the programming is to place the affiliate's information on the landing page as a response to a button on the landing page. It is fairly easy to detect if a referral came from a domain owned by a referrer instead of a spam -- not to cut them off immediately, but to take a closer look. If a company said, "sorry. Here is what we do to stop spammers..." I would not have filed suit.

  114. testing my sig... please ignore by voisine · · Score: 1

    testing my sig... please ignore