They have a blanket invitation to call me for help. I wrote a little two line script to punch a whole in iptables so I can get in remotely and have a look. So far I have not needed it (/knocks wood).
Yup, that's pretty much what I meant. When I was young and far more starry eyed and way less pragmatic then I am now I tried, I really tried to like and use emacs. But when I found vi I never looked back, I've now had the opportunity to use it on a old 1980's mini computer ( with an 80 key keyboard! hjkl is now ingrained forever in my mind as the one true way to navigate a character at a time in four directions) all the way through to gvim that I use pretty much daily.
I get so geeky about vi that I was thrilled when I figured out Battle for Wesnoth actually has a command interface you bring up with :
Although I bow to those who acknowledge the standard text editor, I will stick with vim + plugins for pretty much everything text related.
Just trying to show the man some respect. I promise when I replaced my Mom's XP machine with Linux Mint (binary blobs and all) I didn't take her to task for calling it Linux (or Lennox or Lumix or any of the other incorrect names she came up with).
And installing Linux for my Mom had nothing to do with my preference for free software; she and her husband are retired, on a fixed income and didn't want a new computer. But, having been burned by viruses/spyware in the past they also were savvy enough to know that the time had come to replace XP on their 8 year old computer.
I absolutely agree and appreciate the tone of your post. Thanks for not pointing out his hygiene or body weight and focusing on what you like and dislike about his message.
If I had put a little more thought into my post it probably would have come across more like yours but I knee jerk reacted to all the personal attacks.
As you said it's hard to agree with everything he says and does and a lot easier for him given his chosen lifestyle to stand firm on his ideals than it is for most of us.
But that also doesn't mean I don't appreciate the contributions he's made over the years. Thanks again for the perspective!
OK, fine, fuck me. For the record I don't have a problem with the posters disagreeing with RMS and his opinions. It's the Die you fat retard and the constant reference to the toe thing that bothered me when I posted. I like a good healthy debate on Free vs. Open vs. Proprietary and am often forced to pause and reevaluate my opinions by thoughtful posts from those that don't share those opinions.
But calling me a zealot, telling me to fuck myself and basically doing the same thing to RMS is not part of a healthy debate.
And I'm fairly certain he'll read some of this although given the childish nature of most of the replies it also will not surprise me a bit if he doesn't.
Who said anything about ideology? I just like the software I use and I believe Richard deserves some credit for that. When I found Linux it's because I was trying to move up from programming in the $200 VB environment I bought at a computer trade show. VC/C++ was too much so I tried finding a free C compiler. In 1994 gcc and GNU/Linux were what I found. I've been a fan and user ever since...
Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing
So now "loaded" or "confusing" is == to "politically incorrect". Isn't that a bit of a stretch?
English is ambiguous - when writing it's important to remove that ambiguity, definitely when you are trying to put a complex subject like Software Freedom into the proper context you are trying to convey.
Well I came late to the party and it's already filled with Trolls and the flames are rising.
Call it karma whoring or whatever. I don't have enough mod points to make the AC's disappear so at the risk of it turning into ash in this thread I'll just simply say:
Richard, thanks. You are a big part of why I became a GNU/Linux user.
I don't know, I installed Mint for my Mom to replace XP. Her and her husband actually seem more comfortable installing updates. They get notified on their desktop as regular users and I showed them how to switch user to an sudoer account and install the updates. When the updates are complete they just switch back to their regular account.
It's only been a couple of months and these are by no means power users with complex app requirements or the need to play games but that said, for their simple needs, everything they expect to be there is there and to them the maintenance piece is easier for them to understand. Especially since more than the OS gets updated with aptitude - no more updating Windows, and flash, and Java, and AV and, well you get the idea...
Oh sweet! dingl_ has a couple of anecdotes that unequivocally prove the summary and all the other posters wrong so problem solved, apocalypse averted. Thanks dingl_!
You just compared a setup program (in your words, not poorly written and/or requiring admin permissions) to a graphics driver. Would said driver that you used on XP work on Windows 7? Oh, no? You just got a new driver from ATI for your 2011 card? That's nice for you that ATI pays so much attention to keeping up with changes in Windows.
I get your "us BSD folks do freedom right" stance, I've seen it a lot on/. and I don't always disagree. I tend to be more of a rms/gnu/linux fanboy* myself. There are lots of things to pick on in open source. There are also a shit ton to pick on with proprietary software. Comparing simple apps to driver support though doesn't seem to be a very constructive part of the discussion.
* yes I called myself a fanboy. I was doing it for trek/star wars/the grateful dead long before I got into computers so I have no problem recognizing how obsessed I can get with whatever I find interesting.
I'm not sure that's a very good comparison. Nuclear disarmament is not perceived as effecting people in their daily lives. That's why most average people can't be arsed to give a care.
In order to enact meaningful carbon reduction legislation things have to change for everyone. Things will get more expensive or need to be rationed. People will feel put upon by these regulations. They will be effected by whatever steps are taken.
Note, I don't really want to carry on a debate about it but I do believe in man made climate change and wish my country would do more to be a meaningful part of a solution. My statement above is just my opinion on why there is such a backlash against by the public in the USA.
No, you can only enable Automatic Updates and wait for them to get pushed down. The Windows Update site has not worked on XP for a couple years now, although I can't remember when it officially happened. It's the same with Windows Server 2003...
Say what you want about Theo or the name his team has chosen but I think I'd rather give my money to OpenBSD's LibreSSL project than donate to this.
I get that they are probably just after the good will and PR that this will generate, and that this isn't some vast conspiracy against open source, but I don't trust one of the companies on that list to give a care once public attention to heartbleed dies off.
Pick a project and donate directly, don't let these giants pick and choose for us!
I know your just kidding but that actually would be a pretty good marketing slogan for them. I wonder if they would run afoul of Ramco or whoever it was selling Freedom Rock...
Seems like it would appeal to the older, potentially less tech savvy folks they are targeting with Freedom Box.
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And that's where ssh comes to the rescue. :-)
They have a blanket invitation to call me for help. I wrote a little two line script to punch a whole in iptables so I can get in remotely and have a look. So far I have not needed it (/knocks wood).
Yup, that's pretty much what I meant. When I was young and far more starry eyed and way less pragmatic then I am now I tried, I really tried to like and use emacs. But when I found vi I never looked back, I've now had the opportunity to use it on a old 1980's mini computer ( with an 80 key keyboard! hjkl is now ingrained forever in my mind as the one true way to navigate a character at a time in four directions) all the way through to gvim that I use pretty much daily.
I get so geeky about vi that I was thrilled when I figured out Battle for Wesnoth actually has a command interface you bring up with :
Although I bow to those who acknowledge the standard text editor, I will stick with vim + plugins for pretty much everything text related.
Just trying to show the man some respect. I promise when I replaced my Mom's XP machine with Linux Mint (binary blobs and all) I didn't take her to task for calling it Linux (or Lennox or Lumix or any of the other incorrect names she came up with).
And installing Linux for my Mom had nothing to do with my preference for free software; she and her husband are retired, on a fixed income and didn't want a new computer. But, having been burned by viruses/spyware in the past they also were savvy enough to know that the time had come to replace XP on their 8 year old computer.
Yeah, he's done a lot to help free software all around.
Oh, OK, never mind. Carry on then.
Yeah, that's what I said - I use the best tool for the job. I won't use emacs because, obviously, vi is best.
I hope his toaster and microwave are NSA listening devices.
Why? Do you really have to dislike him so much and wish ill upon him just because you disagree with him?
I absolutely agree and appreciate the tone of your post. Thanks for not pointing out his hygiene or body weight and focusing on what you like and dislike about his message.
If I had put a little more thought into my post it probably would have come across more like yours but I knee jerk reacted to all the personal attacks.
As you said it's hard to agree with everything he says and does and a lot easier for him given his chosen lifestyle to stand firm on his ideals than it is for most of us.
But that also doesn't mean I don't appreciate the contributions he's made over the years. Thanks again for the perspective!
OK, fine, fuck me. For the record I don't have a problem with the posters disagreeing with RMS and his opinions. It's the Die you fat retard and the constant reference to the toe thing that bothered me when I posted. I like a good healthy debate on Free vs. Open vs. Proprietary and am often forced to pause and reevaluate my opinions by thoughtful posts from those that don't share those opinions.
But calling me a zealot, telling me to fuck myself and basically doing the same thing to RMS is not part of a healthy debate.
And I'm fairly certain he'll read some of this although given the childish nature of most of the replies it also will not surprise me a bit if he doesn't.
Who said anything about ideology? I just like the software I use and I believe Richard deserves some credit for that. When I found Linux it's because I was trying to move up from programming in the $200 VB environment I bought at a computer trade show. VC/C++ was too much so I tried finding a free C compiler. In 1994 gcc and GNU/Linux were what I found. I've been a fan and user ever since...
Well I like Star Trek, read way to many comic books and followed the Grateful Dead around for about five years of my life. Do any of those count?
No, more like: non politically affiliated clarification of ambiguous terminology
Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing
So now "loaded" or "confusing" is == to "politically incorrect". Isn't that a bit of a stretch?
English is ambiguous - when writing it's important to remove that ambiguity, definitely when you are trying to put a complex subject like Software Freedom into the proper context you are trying to convey.
Well I came late to the party and it's already filled with Trolls and the flames are rising.
Call it karma whoring or whatever. I don't have enough mod points to make the AC's disappear so at the risk of it turning into ash in this thread I'll just simply say:
Richard, thanks. You are a big part of why I became a GNU/Linux user.
I still won't use emacs though! :-)
I don't know, I installed Mint for my Mom to replace XP. Her and her husband actually seem more comfortable installing updates. They get notified on their desktop as regular users and I showed them how to switch user to an sudoer account and install the updates. When the updates are complete they just switch back to their regular account.
It's only been a couple of months and these are by no means power users with complex app requirements or the need to play games but that said, for their simple needs, everything they expect to be there is there and to them the maintenance piece is easier for them to understand. Especially since more than the OS gets updated with aptitude - no more updating Windows, and flash, and Java, and AV and, well you get the idea...
Oh sweet! dingl_ has a couple of anecdotes that unequivocally prove the summary and all the other posters wrong so problem solved, apocalypse averted. Thanks dingl_!
You just compared a setup program (in your words, not poorly written and/or requiring admin permissions) to a graphics driver. Would said driver that you used on XP work on Windows 7? Oh, no? You just got a new driver from ATI for your 2011 card? That's nice for you that ATI pays so much attention to keeping up with changes in Windows.
I get your "us BSD folks do freedom right" stance, I've seen it a lot on /. and I don't always disagree. I tend to be more of a rms/gnu/linux fanboy* myself. There are lots of things to pick on in open source. There are also a shit ton to pick on with proprietary software. Comparing simple apps to driver support though doesn't seem to be a very constructive part of the discussion.
* yes I called myself a fanboy. I was doing it for trek/star wars/the grateful dead long before I got into computers so I have no problem recognizing how obsessed I can get with whatever I find interesting.
OK, got it.
I'm not sure that's a very good comparison. Nuclear disarmament is not perceived as effecting people in their daily lives. That's why most average people can't be arsed to give a care.
In order to enact meaningful carbon reduction legislation things have to change for everyone. Things will get more expensive or need to be rationed. People will feel put upon by these regulations. They will be effected by whatever steps are taken.
Note, I don't really want to carry on a debate about it but I do believe in man made climate change and wish my country would do more to be a meaningful part of a solution. My statement above is just my opinion on why there is such a backlash against by the public in the USA.
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It's not just for listing!
No, you can only enable Automatic Updates and wait for them to get pushed down. The Windows Update site has not worked on XP for a couple years now, although I can't remember when it officially happened. It's the same with Windows Server 2003...
Still, a slow news day tends to embiggen the fast news days.
All of them?
Say what you want about Theo or the name his team has chosen but I think I'd rather give my money to OpenBSD's LibreSSL project than donate to this.
I get that they are probably just after the good will and PR that this will generate, and that this isn't some vast conspiracy against open source, but I don't trust one of the companies on that list to give a care once public attention to heartbleed dies off.
Pick a project and donate directly, don't let these giants pick and choose for us!
I know your just kidding but that actually would be a pretty good marketing slogan for them. I wonder if they would run afoul of Ramco or whoever it was selling Freedom Rock...
Seems like it would appeal to the older, potentially less tech savvy folks they are targeting with Freedom Box.