> If anyone forgot about this link, it is the best way to explain to people why censorship software is bad.
No it isn't. This is another "censorware is bad because it's inaccurate" site. The implication of this is then "censorware would be acceptable were it to implement only the mandate of the censor, blocking out only those sites which contained the ideas deemed offensive, the concepts these infallable guardians of all that is good do not smile upon". The very idea needs to be challenged at its root, without compromise. Take control of your own mind.
> If censorware gets used more often, people will complain about the effectiveness of the software, and the companies making the software will improve their reliability.
The mission and purpose of censorware is to prevent the formation of an idea by restricting access to images and thoughts someone thought was objectionable. I deem this not only ineffective in implementation for the near future, but ineffective in its very concept.
I'm letting religion fight a rear-guard action here. I'm going after religion itself. I'll raise my kids atheist and proud of it.
Was I the only one that would have modded that warning up as "Funny" if I hadn't already excessively yammered on this topic already? C'mon, he gave detailed instructions on how to get to this site. That took some research!
A general perception exists that Internet filtering is seriously flawed and in many situations unusable. It is also perceived that schools and libraries don't want filtering. These notions are naive and based largely on problems associated with earlier versions of client-based software that are admittedly crude and ineffective. Though some poor filtering products still exist, filtering has gone through an extensive evolution and is not only good at protecting children but also well-received and in high demand.
Arguing that the technology is finally modern enough to support the implementation of moral strictures from the victorian age?
Child pornography is already illegal. This bill is more jowl-wagging moral posturing and doomed to die like the sacrificial lamb it is. Because when it is struck down, they can gain even more from the backlash against the godless heathen judges and politicians that killed it. Same trick the left does with affirmative action.
> Or are you advocating the right of the first-grader to find hard-core porn on publicly-funded computers?
Absolutely, positively, unapolagetically, yes. I don't recall there being a global exception to the first amendment because some kids might see or hear it somewhere sometime somehow. Get a fucking spine and raise your own fucking kids, people.
> Office 95. The most stable office app ever produced by Microsoft with the least security/nag issues (e.g. the paper clip).
Rose colored glasses if I've ever seen them. I supported Office 95, and it was rife with security issues (no warnings about auto-executing macros), and integrity problems (fast-saves==fast-corrupts).
Now Office 4.2 was relatively stable. It was hard to kill Word 6 on a WFW machine.
I build almost everything from source on FreeBSD using the ports collection, because that's how I install new software. I've installed dozens of packages, and haven't typed 'gcc' or even './configure' once to do it, just the final step: make install. Trivially doable with a CGI script if I wanted to add a pointy-clicky front end to it. I think I have needed access to the source maybe a half dozen times, and actually changed something in there twice. I think apt can do the same, but it's not configured to by default. Even source RPM's are nicer than binaries for me, because although they still don't fix the manual dependency resolution problems (meaning some kind of semi-manual process to resolve them), they typically aren't plagued with glibc versioning problems (aka dll hell). With a decent front end, a user doesn't even have to know the package is compiling (e.g. said CGI that builds a port), just that the package tool seems kind of slow... and their system is more stable.
I might also note that Jean-Louis Gasse was the Director of Marketing for Apple. He helped to make Apple the powerhouse it was in the early and mid-90's.
jeez, i used to be just like you. then i realized how nice a GUI file manager was for discontinuous operations, and how the two worlds desperately need to meet.
scenario: I just got a whole bunch of new pages for a publication submitted from an author I'm soliciting work from for a book I'm publishing. This author is a complete wiz with the publishing app, and also submits templates for me to use for the book as a whole. So my secretary got his new chapters and templates, copied the whole shebang into the source folder and cvs committed it. I cvs update my copy, now one of his templates has a typo, whups it screwed up someone else's chapter. Or maybe it was my last change to the templates that screwed things up... so I need to search through the logs for files that were updated recently. Now I have a list of them in front of me. One by one I can click on them and review their history... that change looks dubious, let's look at it in an editor. Okay, that's fine, next one. Whups, that one's messed, better revert it. Ok, next one. Whoah, I have no idea what that macro is, is that something from a new version? Todd would know, better mail it off to him... send-to... todd... add a comment... done.
I just did several different operations on a list of files that would have scrolled off my screen long ago on a CLI, or I would have had to open a new term and copy and paste into other command lines to do so. Yes, perhaps you could train me on new ways, new scripts, new tools to do things solely with the command line, but what I just did feels natural to me. There are some tasks I wouldn't dream of using the GUI for, and a great many tasks I am just too reluctant to use the CLI for.
> I'm not a BSD user because developments like MacOS X make me uncomfortable. It's an ideological difference. I don't like the idea of someone modifying my code and not showing me what they did.
This is by far the most inane argument I have ever heard in terms of OS choice. Perhaps you prefer linux because of ReiserFS, or its support of your hardware, or perhaps another chooses BSD because they prefer its style of system management or toys like netgraph. Or Solaris for its scaleability, or HP/UX for its cluster capabilities. You have no technical reason at all, you even admit it's based on nothing but ideology. My god, I hope to never hire people like you.
> I wonder if anyone's considered sort of a democratic RBL?
UseNet has something called NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em), which is essentially "advisory cancel messages". Instead of cancel messages being sent to control by usenet admins, it has advisories sent to the newsgroup itself in periodic postings, with the message id's of messages that get killed by a compliant newsreader (such as gnus). These messages are PGP-signed to authenticate the issuer.
It still requires a provider that doesn't itself honor NoCeM messages on the spool, as some do, but the nature of usenet makes this somewhat more feasable than it is with mail. The mail server I use (CommuniGate Pro), has support for RBL, but sends all such mail to blacklist-admin, which I can connect to a script that simply tacks on a "X-RBL-Listed" header and sends it on to its recipient. It's a new site right now, so it hasn't received any mail yet, much less spam.
And if I find my ISP, the phone company, is using the BGP RBL, I'll have the PUC on their asses ASAP:)
> Hit backspace on your IE browser RIGHT NOW. What happened?
It went back a page. Working as designed, IE captured the backspace, it went back. Loaded up a java plugin with text input, hit backspace, and it backspaced. Loaded up a flash page with text entry, hit backspace and surprise surprise, it backspaced. Now what were you saying?
> The backspace key issue really does suck, espcially for those of us with typo prone fingers. There isn't much that can be done about it until IE deigns to correct the problem.
It works fine with every other plugin I've ever run on IE, from Flash to the Sun Java Plugin to tclets. How is IE the problem?
> Guess which one University of California at Berkeley uses. Some nachos thing.. they should use BSD.. mb
Why? Just because they created it doesn't mean they're stuck with it. If it wasn't for Berkeley, we wouldn't really have Unix either, it'd still be a buggy stripped down bastardized commercial OS... hey get them a copy of NT quick!
> Are you sure that ReiserFS did it and not a buggy laptop BIOS? That sort of thing is pretty common due to crappy APM implementations.
Sony VAIO PCG-F480 laptop... you tell me. Linux never properly updated the clock on resume (FreeBSD did fine). ReiserFS being journalled is not happy when the clock goes wacky, but corruption isn't an acceptable failure condition. I believe this is a documented problem and fix in ReiserFS.
Ok, I could deal with corruption, but it was *irreparable* corruption, and the repair tool (which made much noise about being "alpha quality" -- also unacceptable, to have recovery as an afterthought) hosed the entire *partition* when it failed. It wasn't backed up because I hadn't yet put valuable data on it, but I'm not sure what to expect even with backups now...
Moot point now, Linux is no longer on my laptop, though I still plan to run it on a server if its nfs3 support is solid.
This was with the stock kernel and stock ReiserFS that came with SuSE. You're saying I get what I deserve for using Linux? Couldn't agree more. tah-tah.
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> Mmm. Strom.
CmdrTaco has a thing for Strom Thurmond?
EEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
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> Mmm. Strom.
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> If anyone forgot about this link, it is the best way to explain to people why censorship software is bad.
No it isn't. This is another "censorware is bad because it's inaccurate" site. The implication of this is then "censorware would be acceptable were it to implement only the mandate of the censor, blocking out only those sites which contained the ideas deemed offensive, the concepts these infallable guardians of all that is good do not smile upon". The very idea needs to be challenged at its root, without compromise. Take control of your own mind.
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> If censorware gets used more often, people will complain about the effectiveness of the software, and the companies making the software will improve their reliability.
The mission and purpose of censorware is to prevent the formation of an idea by restricting access to images and thoughts someone thought was objectionable. I deem this not only ineffective in implementation for the near future, but ineffective in its very concept.
I'm letting religion fight a rear-guard action here. I'm going after religion itself. I'll raise my kids atheist and proud of it.
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Was I the only one that would have modded that warning up as "Funny" if I hadn't already excessively yammered on this topic already? C'mon, he gave detailed instructions on how to get to this site. That took some research!
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Arguing that the technology is finally modern enough to support the implementation of moral strictures from the victorian age?
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> For adults, child porn shall be blocked
Child pornography is already illegal. This bill is more jowl-wagging moral posturing and doomed to die like the sacrificial lamb it is. Because when it is struck down, they can gain even more from the backlash against the godless heathen judges and politicians that killed it. Same trick the left does with affirmative action.
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> Or are you advocating the right of the first-grader to find hard-core porn on publicly-funded computers?
Absolutely, positively, unapolagetically, yes. I don't recall there being a global exception to the first amendment because some kids might see or hear it somewhere sometime somehow. Get a fucking spine and raise your own fucking kids, people.
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> Office 95. The most stable office app ever produced by Microsoft with the least security/nag issues (e.g. the paper clip).
Rose colored glasses if I've ever seen them. I supported Office 95, and it was rife with security issues (no warnings about auto-executing macros), and integrity problems (fast-saves==fast-corrupts).
Now Office 4.2 was relatively stable. It was hard to kill Word 6 on a WFW machine.
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I build almost everything from source on FreeBSD using the ports collection, because that's how I install new software. I've installed dozens of packages, and haven't typed 'gcc' or even './configure' once to do it, just the final step: make install. Trivially doable with a CGI script if I wanted to add a pointy-clicky front end to it. I think I have needed access to the source maybe a half dozen times, and actually changed something in there twice. I think apt can do the same, but it's not configured to by default. Even source RPM's are nicer than binaries for me, because although they still don't fix the manual dependency resolution problems (meaning some kind of semi-manual process to resolve them), they typically aren't plagued with glibc versioning problems (aka dll hell). With a decent front end, a user doesn't even have to know the package is compiling (e.g. said CGI that builds a port), just that the package tool seems kind of slow ... and their system is more stable.
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Fraunhofer will make damn sure of that.
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How long will it take until Mozilla and other open-source browsers have automatic filtering built in?
In the official source?
Mozilla development is paid for by Netscape+AOL+Time/Warner
Think about it.
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I might also note that Jean-Louis Gasse was the Director of Marketing for Apple. He helped to make Apple the powerhouse it was in the early and mid-90's.
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jeez, i used to be just like you. then i realized how nice a GUI file manager was for discontinuous operations, and how the two worlds desperately need to meet.
... so I need to search through the logs for files that were updated recently. Now I have a list of them in front of me. One by one I can click on them and review their history ... that change looks dubious, let's look at it in an editor. Okay, that's fine, next one. Whups, that one's messed, better revert it. Ok, next one. Whoah, I have no idea what that macro is, is that something from a new version? Todd would know, better mail it off to him ... send-to ... todd ... add a comment ... done.
scenario: I just got a whole bunch of new pages for a publication submitted from an author I'm soliciting work from for a book I'm publishing. This author is a complete wiz with the publishing app, and also submits templates for me to use for the book as a whole. So my secretary got his new chapters and templates, copied the whole shebang into the source folder and cvs committed it. I cvs update my copy, now one of his templates has a typo, whups it screwed up someone else's chapter. Or maybe it was my last change to the templates that screwed things up
I just did several different operations on a list of files that would have scrolled off my screen long ago on a CLI, or I would have had to open a new term and copy and paste into other command lines to do so. Yes, perhaps you could train me on new ways, new scripts, new tools to do things solely with the command line, but what I just did feels natural to me. There are some tasks I wouldn't dream of using the GUI for, and a great many tasks I am just too reluctant to use the CLI for.
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> I'm not a BSD user because developments like MacOS X make me uncomfortable. It's an ideological difference. I don't like the idea of someone modifying my code and not showing me what they did.
This is by far the most inane argument I have ever heard in terms of OS choice. Perhaps you prefer linux because of ReiserFS, or its support of your hardware, or perhaps another chooses BSD because they prefer its style of system management or toys like netgraph. Or Solaris for its scaleability, or HP/UX for its cluster capabilities. You have no technical reason at all, you even admit it's based on nothing but ideology. My god, I hope to never hire people like you.
And BTW, Darwin is open source.
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> I wonder if anyone's considered sort of a democratic RBL?
:)
UseNet has something called NoCeM (pronounced No See 'Em), which is essentially "advisory cancel messages". Instead of cancel messages being sent to control by usenet admins, it has advisories sent to the newsgroup itself in periodic postings, with the message id's of messages that get killed by a compliant newsreader (such as gnus). These messages are PGP-signed to authenticate the issuer.
It still requires a provider that doesn't itself honor NoCeM messages on the spool, as some do, but the nature of usenet makes this somewhat more feasable than it is with mail. The mail server I use (CommuniGate Pro), has support for RBL, but sends all such mail to blacklist-admin, which I can connect to a script that simply tacks on a "X-RBL-Listed" header and sends it on to its recipient. It's a new site right now, so it hasn't received any mail yet, much less spam.
And if I find my ISP, the phone company, is using the BGP RBL, I'll have the PUC on their asses ASAP
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> Hit backspace on your IE browser RIGHT NOW. What happened?
It went back a page. Working as designed, IE captured the backspace, it went back. Loaded up a java plugin with text input, hit backspace, and it backspaced. Loaded up a flash page with text entry, hit backspace and surprise surprise, it backspaced. Now what were you saying?
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> The backspace key issue really does suck, espcially for those of us with typo prone fingers. There isn't much that can be done about it until IE deigns to correct the problem.
It works fine with every other plugin I've ever run on IE, from Flash to the Sun Java Plugin to tclets. How is IE the problem?
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> Guess which one University of California at Berkeley uses. Some nachos thing.. they should use BSD.. mb
... hey get them a copy of NT quick!
Why? Just because they created it doesn't mean they're stuck with it. If it wasn't for Berkeley, we wouldn't really have Unix either, it'd still be a buggy stripped down bastardized commercial OS
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Yow, I've heard of documentation that writes the program but this is ridiculous! :)
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> "Nietzche is Dead." --God
Care to trace that quote to its source?
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I don't believe Microsoft has a thing to worry about. My. Freakin. God. What a mess.
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> Are you sure that ReiserFS did it and not a buggy laptop BIOS? That sort of thing is pretty common due to crappy APM implementations.
... you tell me. Linux never properly updated the clock on resume (FreeBSD did fine). ReiserFS being journalled is not happy when the clock goes wacky, but corruption isn't an acceptable failure condition. I believe this is a documented problem and fix in ReiserFS.
Sony VAIO PCG-F480 laptop
Ok, I could deal with corruption, but it was *irreparable* corruption, and the repair tool (which made much noise about being "alpha quality" -- also unacceptable, to have recovery as an afterthought) hosed the entire *partition* when it failed. It wasn't backed up because I hadn't yet put valuable data on it, but I'm not sure what to expect even with backups now...
Moot point now, Linux is no longer on my laptop, though I still plan to run it on a server if its nfs3 support is solid.
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This was with the stock kernel and stock ReiserFS that came with SuSE. You're saying I get what I deserve for using Linux? Couldn't agree more. tah-tah.
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Here's how simple it is on my box:
cvsup all.sup
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