Bah. This method truly SUCKS on remote hosts, because you must manually REVOKE the cookie afterward on the remote host. If several people can su root on that host, they can steal that cookie and keep it even if you revoke it. Whereas with xhost, at least I can remove the xhost access.
I want to be able to xhost +COOKIE:LARGE-HEX-NUMBER, which I could just generate on the fly, then transfer to the remote end. When finished, I could just drop it from xhost, neatly revoking authorization. Steal the cookie all you want, it's useless now.
At the very least, I'd at least like to just create new xauthority entries. try it yourself sometime with xauth generate. works exactly once, defeating the purpose.
That would just all make sense... which is why it's made impossible.
perhaps an account name should not be exactly the same as another with only punctuation or spacing as difference? a little intelligence in the name checking would go a long way.
I'm running 3.3-STABLE, and "make upgrade" in/usr/src fails miserably. It starts making make, and dies with
ld: scrt0.o: No such file or directory
sysinstall's upgrade feature gives me a list of FTP sites, none of which work, because it only wants to upgrade to another 3.3, which seems really quite pointless to me.
Can someone give me a URL I can feed to sysinstall or some pointer on getting "make upgrade" to actually work? I expected it to work sort of like/usr/ports or debian's apt-get upgrade, where it would go out and grab the new version, compile, and install it. Am I way off here? I can live with a binary sysinstall upgrade IF I can find some way of upgrading/usr/src later on.
Just going out and getting the CD and wiping out my old install and restoring my home dir and configurations from backup is NOT an option I care to entertain...
ports has one serious killer flaw: it installs the new package OVER the old package. There is no "make upgrade" in ports. Then when you remove the old port, it wipes out files in the new port.
another problem: i use cvsup to maintain the ports tree, but why don't individual ports use cvsup to maintain the source tree of the port? cvsup or rsync or cvs or whatever, just something a little more bandwidth friendly than schlorping down everything via FTP. i really HATE having to download megabytes worth of packages just because a few dozen K changed in them. this is where every linux distro also fails miserably. Some countries still pay by the minute for connectivity, some don't have better than 28.8 connectivity -- if they're lucky. Give me incremental updates for EVERYTHING dammit.
If SuSE can't manage to remove all the german from their distribution and it's manuals (and let's be honest - they can't), how much chance does anybody have of translating everything into Indian?
We don't have to. The Indians can. They just need some support and coordination with the people who control the relevant code, such as glibc, mozilla, gnome, KDE, and so on. Making sure the language has a language code, that bidi-capable text widgets are used, and so on.
> KDE's panel is very similar to CDE's (this is not by mistake).
Not where it matters, namely the drawers. All of the CDE panel's icons have arrows for the drawers above them, with the ability to add new items to the drawer via drag and drop, and the ability to put one of the drawer items on the main panel. It's extremely intuitive, and KDE isn't quite the same (possibly no worse, but I didn't feel it was as straightforward). Secondly, unless they've changed this recently, every time I click on the netscape icon in KDE, it attempts to launch a new netscape process (and whines about lockfiles, etc). To say nothing of detecting preferred browsers or launching an alternate one. Sound simply didn't work at all in Solaris KDE.
The most damning thing of all is that KDE does not understand multiheading. Getting it going on the second monitor tended to make it conflict with itself and do very ugly things.
Sun, of course, also uses CDE. It's also pretty much universally hated there. It does do some things well that KDE still doesn't quite manage, and gnome doesn't even try for. But overall it's ugly, klunky, and unfriendly. The file manager is a joke (except when you want to set ACL's, there it's the best interface going). The mail client is primitive (except it does IMAP perfectly, something free email clients are always lagging on). And it uses the classic motif look, which can only be described as "boxy but good" if only it were good.
All that said, CDE does some things right. Like a web browser icon on the panel that runs sdtwebclient, which acts as the equivalent of the netscape-wrapper script for netscape or hotjava. The panel isn't very flexible, but it's far more intuitive and easy to navigate than any START button or knockoff thereof.
I'd love KDE on Solaris if it were actually as functional as CDE. Give it a year or two and it'll probably get there, faster than CDE, for sure.
> Menubars are not placed at the top of the screen,
Git the gun martha, it's another MacHead. Right. They're associated with the application they control. The interface is not modal. I'd really love to see the visual chaos that would result from focus-follows-mouse policies.
> The taskbar on the bottom of the screen has buttons that do not extend all the way to the edge of the screen
This is one of many reasons I despise the gnome panel and the new KDE one. Not only do they not extend to the bottom, they're now crammed into a grid you have to aim the mouse at. The others being that it's too damn big, and applications still maximize to cover it.
> In many window managers, nondestructive buttons such as Maximize are placed right next to destructive buttons such as Close
No argument there, though when using a Mac, I often wished for a maximize button of some sort. Minimize was easy enough (Hide) but it was a mouse operation or a chaotic-looking "unhide all" command to get it back.
> To proceed from a menu to a submenu, it is necessary to manuever the mouse rightward with surgical precision...
Motif displays this annoying behavior of having zero delay before activating a submenu. Gtk+, Qt, and Win32 do not. In Windows, the delay is even configurable, using any number of "tweaker" control panels. As an indictment of Windows, as this was meant to be, it doesn't hold up.
Classic MacOS did many things right, but it wasn't without its awful warts too. A proliferation of popups that were modal. A chooser interface with a little bitty non-resizeable window for services. Dragging disks to the trash to eject them. Having only one corner to resize windows, often forcing you to move the window around to expose the drag handle first. Mysterious behavior when clicking a label of an icon, causing you to edit it instead of treat it as a normal click (bogus behavior nearly every interface since has slavishly emulated).
> Be has its own reasons for switching to Intel, and shifted the blame elsewhere for their own convenience
I won't defend Gasse's incessant whining about it, but Apple wanted Be to pay up to develop for their hardware, if such specs could even be bought for any price. Intel paid Be millions to develop for their hardware. Which would you choose?
Also, Macs can't have the colon (:) in a filename. So URLs as filenames look like:
http-//www.dartmouth.edu
which is dumb.
That's pretty amusing, considering the unix world can have the colons but not the slashes. You have to have something as your path separator if you want a unified path and filename (it doesn't have to be like that, but then you make shells damn near impossible).
One consideration I see overlooked time and time again in all GUI designs is object placement. The human eye normally moves from the upper left hand corner to the lower left hand corner. diagnally.
Curious. Has any research been done to see if this is also true of people who read right-to-left languages like Hebrew and Arabic?
They're not so bad, since they're color coded. Too bad if you're color blind though. You want real mystery, check out the "halos" in the morphic interface of squeak smalltalk
Gotta admit though, it's absolutely the most flexible GUI around, even if it is dog slow. THAT is an interface that's way behind the Moore curve. But boy is is something. Lets you drag, resize, and rotate every window and every widget in them.
Pie menus are not what they're cracked up to be. Imagine trying to epresent more than 6 or so menu items at once. There's also no ordering where the most common items are listed first, no way to order a MRU list -- which may have maybe a dozen items. Imagine the zig-zagging one must do to implement a hierarchical menu.
Pie menus may be useful for some operations, but aren't universally useful. And when you start having to mix navigation metaphors, that inconsistency is worse than having no pie menus at all.
> I'm not sure Be are COMPLETEY at a loss by selling their OS. There's a new wave of set-top boxes all ready to spring up, and of all the OSes I can think of BeOS seems to fit in beautifully.
Unfortunately for Be's near-term profit, they're also giving it away for set-tops as well.
I just love Be because it's a microkernel that gives that blowhard Torvalds the big middle finger in response to his ignorant diatribes against microkernels.
One thing I've always enjoyed about AC is that although diplomacy is still chinese-menu, at least the factions speak in complete sentences. diplomacy in CTP was so laughable... I think it was actually worse than Civilization I
Er, meant to say psi units get a significant offense bonus. Psi defenders are typically quite weak (except those fungal towers in SMACX, those suckers are tough).
> I also think the worms can be too powerful of a unit. They win 2/3's of all attacks regardless of the units strength.
Mind worms are psi units, and thus do ignore all armor when attacking. Your unit defends with morale, sensor and base bonuses, and any psi defense bonuses you may have, such as Empath Song, or The Neural Amplifier. Psi units are also heavily weighted toward attack, and enjoy a significant defense bonus. And finally, if you're unlucky enough to be caught in fungus while a boil is attacking, you suffer a defense penalty (unless you have The Pholus Mutagen)
When you have appropriately trained troops, even a single demon boil is no threat to a base. It's when they pop up from fungal growth. Had one swarm take a base from size 20 to size 10 in one turn once. Ouch.
> I don't need an "office suite" at home. I would never need one and would not buy one.
Good for you. Some of us don't "come home" from work... we already are home. I can teleconference, put together an equipment price list, draw some nice shaded boxes around the optional packages, autosum it, email the result. All without leaving my apartment. Hm, except for the last step, that all uses a spreadsheet.
You're so endearingly cute when you're elitist. I think it's the naivete.
"porn" and "smut" have no legal definition whatsoever. The CDA presumed to ban indecent material, which is constitutionally protected, unlike obscene material. Indecent is what you can't broadcast on the radio and tv, and in the most black-and-white exposition of the bizarre values, pertains to "sexual and excretory activity". Obscenity itself has no hard legal definition except the "community standards" test.
> Pinker gives an example (IIRC) that if you go to someones door with a gun and say you will kill yourself if the person doesn't give you $10, you will do better if your eyes are bloodshot.
I'd really love to see how he tested this theory. I'd give the guy the money because I'd be afraid of him turning the gun on *me*.
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> I'd regard Linux as being a contender when games were regularly released for Linux at the same time as for Windows
How many games do you see released for AIX, Solaris, or Netware?
> Sun does stand for Standard UNix, after all ...
In your little world, perhaps.
Stood for Stanford University Network. Doesn't stand for anything now.
Bah. This method truly SUCKS on remote hosts, because you must manually REVOKE the cookie afterward on the remote host. If several people can su root on that host, they can steal that cookie and keep it even if you revoke it. Whereas with xhost, at least I can remove the xhost access.
... which is why it's made impossible.
I want to be able to xhost +COOKIE:LARGE-HEX-NUMBER, which I could just generate on the fly, then transfer to the remote end. When finished, I could just drop it from xhost, neatly revoking authorization. Steal the cookie all you want, it's useless now.
At the very least, I'd at least like to just create new xauthority entries. try it yourself sometime with xauth generate. works exactly once, defeating the purpose.
That would just all make sense
perhaps an account name should not be exactly the same as another with only punctuation or spacing as difference? a little intelligence in the name checking would go a long way.
I'm running 3.3-STABLE, and "make upgrade" in /usr/src fails miserably. It starts making make, and dies with
/usr/ports or debian's apt-get upgrade, where it would go out and grab the new version, compile, and install it. Am I way off here? I can live with a binary sysinstall upgrade IF I can find some way of upgrading /usr/src later on.
ld: scrt0.o: No such file or directory
sysinstall's upgrade feature gives me a list of FTP sites, none of which work, because it only wants to upgrade to another 3.3, which seems really quite pointless to me.
Can someone give me a URL I can feed to sysinstall or some pointer on getting "make upgrade" to actually work? I expected it to work sort of like
Just going out and getting the CD and wiping out my old install and restoring my home dir and configurations from backup is NOT an option I care to entertain...
ports has one serious killer flaw: it installs the new package OVER the old package. There is no "make upgrade" in ports. Then when you remove the old port, it wipes out files in the new port.
another problem: i use cvsup to maintain the ports tree, but why don't individual ports use cvsup to maintain the source tree of the port? cvsup or rsync or cvs or whatever, just something a little more bandwidth friendly than schlorping down everything via FTP. i really HATE having to download megabytes worth of packages just because a few dozen K changed in them. this is where every linux distro also fails miserably. Some countries still pay by the minute for connectivity, some don't have better than 28.8 connectivity -- if they're lucky. Give me incremental updates for EVERYTHING dammit.
If SuSE can't manage to remove all the german from their distribution and it's manuals (and let's be honest - they can't), how much chance does anybody have of translating everything into Indian?
We don't have to. The Indians can. They just need some support and coordination with the people who control the relevant code, such as glibc, mozilla, gnome, KDE, and so on. Making sure the language has a language code, that bidi-capable text widgets are used, and so on.
> KDE's panel is very similar to CDE's (this is not by mistake).
Not where it matters, namely the drawers. All of the CDE panel's icons have arrows for the drawers above them, with the ability to add new items to the drawer via drag and drop, and the ability to put one of the drawer items on the main panel. It's extremely intuitive, and KDE isn't quite the same (possibly no worse, but I didn't feel it was as straightforward). Secondly, unless they've changed this recently, every time I click on the netscape icon in KDE, it attempts to launch a new netscape process (and whines about lockfiles, etc). To say nothing of detecting preferred browsers or launching an alternate one. Sound simply didn't work at all in Solaris KDE.
The most damning thing of all is that KDE does not understand multiheading. Getting it going on the second monitor tended to make it conflict with itself and do very ugly things.
Sun, of course, also uses CDE. It's also pretty much universally hated there. It does do some things well that KDE still doesn't quite manage, and gnome doesn't even try for. But overall it's ugly, klunky, and unfriendly. The file manager is a joke (except when you want to set ACL's, there it's the best interface going). The mail client is primitive (except it does IMAP perfectly, something free email clients are always lagging on). And it uses the classic motif look, which can only be described as "boxy but good" if only it were good.
All that said, CDE does some things right. Like a web browser icon on the panel that runs sdtwebclient, which acts as the equivalent of the netscape-wrapper script for netscape or hotjava. The panel isn't very flexible, but it's far more intuitive and easy to navigate than any START button or knockoff thereof.
I'd love KDE on Solaris if it were actually as functional as CDE. Give it a year or two and it'll probably get there, faster than CDE, for sure.
> Menubars are not placed at the top of the screen,
...
Git the gun martha, it's another MacHead. Right. They're associated with the application they control. The interface is not modal. I'd really love to see the visual chaos that would result from focus-follows-mouse policies.
> The taskbar on the bottom of the screen has buttons that do not extend all the way to the edge of the screen
This is one of many reasons I despise the gnome panel and the new KDE one. Not only do they not extend to the bottom, they're now crammed into a grid you have to aim the mouse at. The others being that it's too damn big, and applications still maximize to cover it.
> In many window managers, nondestructive buttons such as Maximize are placed right next to destructive buttons such as Close
No argument there, though when using a Mac, I often wished for a maximize button of some sort. Minimize was easy enough (Hide) but it was a mouse operation or a chaotic-looking "unhide all" command to get it back.
> To proceed from a menu to a submenu, it is necessary to manuever the mouse rightward with surgical precision
Motif displays this annoying behavior of having zero delay before activating a submenu. Gtk+, Qt, and Win32 do not. In Windows, the delay is even configurable, using any number of "tweaker" control panels. As an indictment of Windows, as this was meant to be, it doesn't hold up.
Classic MacOS did many things right, but it wasn't without its awful warts too. A proliferation of popups that were modal. A chooser interface with a little bitty non-resizeable window for services. Dragging disks to the trash to eject them. Having only one corner to resize windows, often forcing you to move the window around to expose the drag handle first. Mysterious behavior when clicking a label of an icon, causing you to edit it instead of treat it as a normal click (bogus behavior nearly every interface since has slavishly emulated).
> Be has its own reasons for switching to Intel, and shifted the blame elsewhere for their own convenience
I won't defend Gasse's incessant whining about it, but Apple wanted Be to pay up to develop for their hardware, if such specs could even be bought for any price. Intel paid Be millions to develop for their hardware. Which would you choose?
That's pretty amusing, considering the unix world can have the colons but not the slashes. You have to have something as your path separator if you want a unified path and filename (it doesn't have to be like that, but then you make shells damn near impossible).
Curious. Has any research been done to see if this is also true of people who read right-to-left languages like Hebrew and Arabic?
They're not so bad, since they're color coded. Too bad if you're color blind though. You want real mystery, check out the "halos" in the morphic interface of squeak smalltalk
Gotta admit though, it's absolutely the most flexible GUI around, even if it is dog slow. THAT is an interface that's way behind the Moore curve. But boy is is something. Lets you drag, resize, and rotate every window and every widget in them.
Pie menus are not what they're cracked up to be. Imagine trying to epresent more than 6 or so menu items at once. There's also no ordering where the most common items are listed first, no way to order a MRU list -- which may have maybe a dozen items. Imagine the zig-zagging one must do to implement a hierarchical menu.
Pie menus may be useful for some operations, but aren't universally useful. And when you start having to mix navigation metaphors, that inconsistency is worse than having no pie menus at all.
> Also most home machines comes with win9x preinstalled and no install cd - win9x dies and you cant reinstall it.
Then the OEM is committing a violation of Microsoft's license agreement. The CD should come with it, or they are probably pirating that CD.
Anyway, name one established brand that ships their computers without the CD. Not Jeb's Corner Whitebox Shop, a national brand. Just one.
Why would you want a coaster with a hole in it?
> I'm not sure Be are COMPLETEY at a loss by selling their OS. There's a new wave of set-top boxes all ready to spring up, and of all the OSes I can think of BeOS seems to fit in beautifully.
Unfortunately for Be's near-term profit, they're also giving it away for set-tops as well.
I just love Be because it's a microkernel that gives that blowhard Torvalds the big middle finger in response to his ignorant diatribes against microkernels.
In the spirit of the jargon file, I propose the word "virusen"
Man, that's almost as bad as gnulix
One thing I've always enjoyed about AC is that although diplomacy is still chinese-menu, at least the factions speak in complete sentences. diplomacy in CTP was so laughable ... I think it was actually worse than Civilization I
Er, meant to say psi units get a significant offense bonus. Psi defenders are typically quite weak (except those fungal towers in SMACX, those suckers are tough).
> I also think the worms can be too powerful of a unit. They win 2/3's of all attacks regardless of the units strength.
Mind worms are psi units, and thus do ignore all armor when attacking. Your unit defends with morale, sensor and base bonuses, and any psi defense bonuses you may have, such as Empath Song, or The Neural Amplifier. Psi units are also heavily weighted toward attack, and enjoy a significant defense bonus. And finally, if you're unlucky enough to be caught in fungus while a boil is attacking, you suffer a defense penalty (unless you have The Pholus Mutagen)
When you have appropriately trained troops, even a single demon boil is no threat to a base. It's when they pop up from fungal growth. Had one swarm take a base from size 20 to size 10 in one turn once. Ouch.
> I don't need an "office suite" at home. I would never need one and would not buy one.
... we already are home. I can teleconference, put together an equipment price list, draw some nice shaded boxes around the optional packages, autosum it, email the result. All without leaving my apartment. Hm, except for the last step, that all uses a spreadsheet.
Good for you. Some of us don't "come home" from work
You're so endearingly cute when you're elitist. I think it's the naivete.
"porn" and "smut" have no legal definition whatsoever. The CDA presumed to ban indecent material, which is constitutionally protected, unlike obscene material. Indecent is what you can't broadcast on the radio and tv, and in the most black-and-white exposition of the bizarre values, pertains to "sexual and excretory activity". Obscenity itself has no hard legal definition except the "community standards" test.
> Pinker gives an example (IIRC) that if you go to someones door with a gun and say you will kill yourself if the person doesn't give you $10, you will do better if your eyes are bloodshot.
I'd really love to see how he tested this theory. I'd give the guy the money because I'd be afraid of him turning the gun on *me*.