> I always think "Bloody hell, *ANOTHER* ICQ/IM/Yahoo pager...etc clone, do we really need one more?" when I see a new one announced on Freshmeat.
It's really no different in the windows world. Go to www.nonags.com sometime and see how many launchpad apps and archivers there are out there, and how many of those are so half-assed you wonder why the author even bothered to publicize them.
> Umm.. all of the quakes have had inverted crosses, pentagrams and other symbols normally associated with satanism.
Quake 2 didn't have them. And I was glad for it, because the motif was getting really worn out for this atheist (too bad it didn't sport terribly original appearance, it looked like doom with cyborgs instead of demons)
> Next time you decide to post, remember the difference between your totally content-free post and the one above by Nerds. Nerds' post has actual information in it, yours is just flames.
His was also wrong Off the top of my head, I can think of several components that make up IE, all of which can operate independently. There's the renderer and the HTML/XML parser, to name two, then there's the container. COM components themselves don't even *have* titlebars, that's still a MFC Application thing.
But in Slashdotland, it's not about being right, it's about having information. Any information, right or wrong, as long as it bashes MS. It's not one bit different from the mass media trough all you god damn phonies look down on.
News for nerds indeed. I'm going to have to look into calling myself something other than a nerd.
> Attempt to understand from someone else's perspective.
Quid pro quo. I would for once like the MS-bashers see things from a home user's perspective. From an IT manager's perspective. From a non-tech perspective.
> The beauty of Mozilla, and the true "innovation" (blech!) of it is the Open Source nature of the beast. Unlike IE, which is only a COM component, and so not of much use to anyone who really wants to do anything more than change the title bar on it
You don't know a god damned thing about IE's architecture, do you?
Oh... PLEASE.. spare me the "outside the box" "all societal norms are wrong" "brave vanguard" crap.
Value neutral here. The guy may be a genius. He may be a moron. He may just be having fun.
YOU sir, are just as guilty as those you condemn, by denigrating those who choose to live in their "feeble bodies" (by implicationin you call us feeble). I have no piercings, no tatoos, and if I'm rejected as timid or conformist because of that, then I want nothing to do with you anyway.
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> I'm sorry. You have tried to use facts to refute this baseless GPL claim. Please write a BASIC loop that says "I will worship Richard Stallman" and use a GOTO in the code as pennence, and sin no more!
Shouldn't that be an infinitely recursive LISP function?:)
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> But, the best forks tend to be closed off.
Am I the only one that doesn't see inherent evil in this? Let's see, if I work 80-hour weeks dedicating myself to a project, eat, sleep, and breathe the project so it can be the best... You're damn straight I'm going to maximize the return from it. Your sense of what's The Right Thing To Do with the software simply isn't a factor if you didn't create it. Your future contributions to the software simply don't substitute as an adequate exchange for my efforts -- at some point I want to cash in and enjoy some other part of life unrelated to the software. I work hard on something, I expect payment. I don't work for love alone.
That said, I would have to recognize that this fork was a value-add and not a wholly original work, and give credit where it's due -- the BSD license still requires that, though no longer in every bit of advertising. But the same applies even more to wholly original works.
The GPL is a perfectly valid choice of the creator to require that value-adds are available under the same free terms. The BSD license is a perfectly valid choice of the creator to enable those creating value adds to dictate the terms of what is an acceptable exchange for their additions. If I care about the program more than the future exchange value for its contributors, I'll choose GPL.
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> The GPL recognizes the reality that left on it's own, software tends to become closed and militates agains this trend.
Right, just look at what happened to BSD, Apache, and X11. Can't get the source for any of those any more. Thank god for that GPL, eh?
I get uninformed, poorly written pieces with ripped-off headlines... then I get insulted, get called "nuts". Got a back problem? You fucking cripple. You gimp. How do you like the insults now?
Yeah, I knew I was Officially Old when I commented to some kid asking about languages and said that perl looks like line noise. He asked me what line noise looks like.
I've found that MUSHes and MOOs provide much of that community feel. Try LambdaMOO on for size, telnet://lambda.moo.mud.org:8888 (you'll want a client program though, using straight telnet sucks)
Maybe VA Linux has the best business proposition with Intel? God only knows why they even went into the Linux OEM business. Userbase is a bunch of bloody screaming ingrate armchair CEO's, all too quick to toss aside their Do It Yourself philosophy when they could just as easily browbeat a company the moment they don't bleat in unison to the orthodoxy of every faction. Their philosophy in a nutshell: if you can't cover every last base, profitable or no, you SUCK you're EVIL and you must be DESTROYED.
> But $12 million+ for SuSE is nothing to sneeze at, either!
That's 12 million EURO. Which leads me to ask, what's the exchange rate of a euro to dollars?
Oh, and how the hell do I generate a euro with this sun keyboard? it's printed on the '4' key, but no combination of hitting/mashing 4, shift, compose, alt graph, anything will actually generate it. What a lose.
> reposted because previous post was marked down. I will be heard !
This is exactly why moderators should moderate UP instead of down. Any moron can repost over and over, whereas marking UP will make for a richer slashdot experience for those people who are finally driven to browse at score 2 or 3 now that the segfault trollers have all come here.
I bet you could run a bitchin Beowu -- *WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM*
Damn, they just keep popping up. 'scuse me, gotta clean my bat.
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> Firewire is dead.
Apparently not a single vendor of digital cameras has seen the wisdom of your pronouncement, as they foolishly plod ahead and use nothing but FW interfaces...
(gad, i hate using IE... all my emacs-like editing controls are gone)
I don't know whether to hug you or hunt you down, tackle your sorry ass to the ground, gnaw through your rib cage and tear your still beating heart out with my bare teeth.
I uh... I'm not sure I'd want you to hug me either, now...
Is that you get chained to your code. The volume of documentation on my code is bigger than my code, because I can hand it to someone, say "this is all you need to know", and leave that code behind. Forever. On to bigger and better projects.
> What is maxTypeCode? A string? An int pointer? Pointer to a user defined type?
Unless you're writing a device driver, WHO CARES? If you stick to the functional interface used for creating, setting, and passing that value, the type of maxTypeCode is OPAQUE. It's called ABSTRACTION, something we learn when we stop having to know encode our routines for sizeof().
Actually, they do not. The entire cult of scientology could be destroyed by a single hostile ruling from a high court. The Ku Klux Klan, for instance, is more or less defunct as an organization in some areas, because of a court ruling (and some really screwy technicalities). Whether or not you agree with the logic, scientology knows the risk of losing in a federal court, or, L.Ron forbid, the supreme court.
What they do is get around the law. After a court kept public documents in place when they were challenged by the scientologists, they now have cult members dedicated to doing nothing but keeping the materials checked out and in circulation all the time so the public can never see it.
Futile, really... The Cult of Scientology is already the object of ridicule in the USA, outright hostility in Germany (having been relegated to the same political realm as Nazis), ineffectiveness in the area of information control, and one of the biggest makers of martyrs since McCarthy.
I know the cult reads slashdot. You're going down.
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> I always think "Bloody hell, *ANOTHER* ICQ/IM/Yahoo pager...etc clone, do we really need one more?" when I see a new one announced on Freshmeat.
It's really no different in the windows world. Go to www.nonags.com sometime and see how many launchpad apps and archivers there are out there, and how many of those are so half-assed you wonder why the author even bothered to publicize them.
> Umm.. all of the quakes have had inverted crosses, pentagrams and other symbols normally associated with satanism.
Quake 2 didn't have them. And I was glad for it, because the motif was getting really worn out for this atheist (too bad it didn't sport terribly original appearance, it looked like doom with cyborgs instead of demons)
> and sounding like an R-rated movie should bring more respect?
Some movies that weren't PG have even won Oscars. Imagine that.
> Next time you decide to post, remember the difference between your totally content-free post and the one above by Nerds. Nerds' post has actual information in it, yours is just flames.
His was also wrong
Off the top of my head, I can think of several components that make up IE, all of which can operate independently. There's the renderer and the HTML/XML parser, to name two, then there's the container. COM components themselves don't even *have* titlebars, that's still a MFC Application thing.
But in Slashdotland, it's not about being right, it's about having information. Any information, right or wrong, as long as it bashes MS. It's not one bit different from the mass media trough all you god damn phonies look down on.
News for nerds indeed. I'm going to have to look into calling myself something other than a nerd.
> Attempt to understand from someone else's perspective.
Quid pro quo. I would for once like the MS-bashers see things from a home user's perspective. From an IT manager's perspective. From a non-tech perspective.
I'll settle for an objective perspective.
> You bring up an interesting point... Once Mozilla is done, what market will there be for Opera?
The "browser that actually works now instead of relying on thousands of apologists who yell that it's still being worked on" market.
> The beauty of Mozilla, and the true "innovation" (blech!) of it is the Open Source nature of the beast. Unlike IE, which is only a COM component, and so not of much use to anyone who really wants to do anything more than change the title bar on it
You don't know a god damned thing about IE's architecture, do you?
Oh ... PLEASE .. spare me the "outside the box" "all societal norms are wrong" "brave vanguard" crap.
Value neutral here. The guy may be a genius. He may be a moron. He may just be having fun.
YOU sir, are just as guilty as those you condemn, by denigrating those who choose to live in their "feeble bodies" (by implicationin you call us feeble). I have no piercings, no tatoos, and if I'm rejected as timid or conformist because of that, then I want nothing to do with you anyway.
> I'm sorry. You have tried to use facts to refute this baseless GPL claim. Please write a BASIC loop that says "I will worship Richard Stallman" and use a GOTO in the code as pennence, and sin no more!
:)
Shouldn't that be an infinitely recursive LISP function?
> But, the best forks tend to be closed off.
Am I the only one that doesn't see inherent evil in this? Let's see, if I work 80-hour weeks dedicating myself to a project, eat, sleep, and breathe the project so it can be the best... You're damn straight I'm going to maximize the return from it. Your sense of what's The Right Thing To Do with the software simply isn't a factor if you didn't create it. Your future contributions to the software simply don't substitute as an adequate exchange for my efforts -- at some point I want to cash in and enjoy some other part of life unrelated to the software. I work hard on something, I expect payment. I don't work for love alone.
That said, I would have to recognize that this fork was a value-add and not a wholly original work, and give credit where it's due -- the BSD license still requires that, though no longer in every bit of advertising. But the same applies even more to wholly original works.
The GPL is a perfectly valid choice of the creator to require that value-adds are available under the same free terms. The BSD license is a perfectly valid choice of the creator to enable those creating value adds to dictate the terms of what is an acceptable exchange for their additions. If I care about the program more than the future exchange value for its contributors, I'll choose GPL.
> The GPL recognizes the reality that left on it's own, software tends to become closed and militates agains this trend.
Right, just look at what happened to BSD, Apache, and X11. Can't get the source for any of those any more. Thank god for that GPL, eh?
> It's a bit obscure, but where else can you see elves, wizards, Nazis, handguns, and mutants all in the same frame?
Slashdot.
I get uninformed, poorly written pieces with ripped-off headlines ... then I get insulted, get called "nuts". Got a back problem? You fucking cripple. You gimp. How do you like the insults now?
Asshole.
Yeah, I knew I was Officially Old when I commented to some kid asking about languages and said that perl looks like line noise. He asked me what line noise looks like.
I've found that MUSHes and MOOs provide much of that community feel. Try LambdaMOO on for size, telnet://lambda.moo.mud.org:8888
(you'll want a client program though, using straight telnet sucks)
Maybe VA Linux has the best business proposition with Intel? God only knows why they even went into the Linux OEM business. Userbase is a bunch of bloody screaming ingrate armchair CEO's, all too quick to toss aside their Do It Yourself philosophy when they could just as easily browbeat a company the moment they don't bleat in unison to the orthodoxy of every faction. Their philosophy in a nutshell: if you can't cover every last base, profitable or no, you SUCK you're EVIL and you must be DESTROYED.
> But $12 million+ for SuSE is nothing to sneeze at, either!
That's 12 million EURO. Which leads me to ask, what's the exchange rate of a euro to dollars?
Oh, and how the hell do I generate a euro with this sun keyboard? it's printed on the '4' key, but no combination of hitting/mashing 4, shift, compose, alt graph, anything will actually generate it. What a lose.
> reposted because previous post was marked down. I will be heard !
This is exactly why moderators should moderate UP instead of down. Any moron can repost over and over, whereas marking UP will make for a richer slashdot experience for those people who are finally driven to browse at score 2 or 3 now that the segfault trollers have all come here.
I bet you could run a bitchin Beowu -- *WHAMWHAMWHAMWHAMWHAM*
Damn, they just keep popping up. 'scuse me, gotta clean my bat.
> Firewire is dead.
Apparently not a single vendor of digital cameras has seen the wisdom of your pronouncement, as they foolishly plod ahead and use nothing but FW interfaces...
(gad, i hate using IE... all my emacs-like editing controls are gone)
> How would average Joe pronounce XFce?
Lemme go out on a limb here:
ecks-eff-see-ee
I don't know whether to hug you or hunt you down, tackle your sorry ass to the ground, gnaw through your rib cage and tear your still beating heart out with my bare teeth.
... I'm not sure I'd want you to hug me either, now...
I uh
Is that you get chained to your code. The volume of documentation on my code is bigger than my code, because I can hand it to someone, say "this is all you need to know", and leave that code behind. Forever. On to bigger and better projects.
> What is maxTypeCode? A string? An int pointer? Pointer to a user defined type?
Unless you're writing a device driver, WHO CARES? If you stick to the functional interface used for creating, setting, and passing that value, the type of maxTypeCode is OPAQUE. It's called ABSTRACTION, something we learn when we stop having to know encode our routines for sizeof().
> If they lose, they take it to a higher court.
Actually, they do not. The entire cult of scientology could be destroyed by a single hostile ruling from a high court. The Ku Klux Klan, for instance, is more or less defunct as an organization in some areas, because of a court ruling (and some really screwy technicalities). Whether or not you agree with the logic, scientology knows the risk of losing in a federal court, or, L.Ron forbid, the supreme court.
What they do is get around the law. After a court kept public documents in place when they were challenged by the scientologists, they now have cult members dedicated to doing nothing but keeping the materials checked out and in circulation all the time so the public can never see it.
Futile, really... The Cult of Scientology is already the object of ridicule in the USA, outright hostility in Germany (having been relegated to the same political realm as Nazis), ineffectiveness in the area of information control, and one of the biggest makers of martyrs since McCarthy.
I know the cult reads slashdot. You're going down.