The sad thing is that these project will need to replicate Sun Java bugs to maintain "compatibility".
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For example, can you please tell me why it is impossible to exec() a program in a directory other than the one the java process was started in.
I cannot reproduce this problem in an implementation as old as JDK 1.1.3 (which comes with Solaris 2.6). Can you name any more bugs in the language that actually exist?
I mention DII, DSI, and POA as "services", knowing they're not part of the Common Services list, but some so-called ORBs (*cough* ORBit *cough*) don't even implement those completely.
There's nothing better I'd like to do than write one of the services, but security is something you can't do an amateur job with. I'm a complete crypto dunce. And from the look of it, it's one of the biggest and hairiest services of all, encompassing auditing, non-repudiation, domain policies, custom policies, principal authentication, and on and on. Seems terribly complicated to me at least.
No sheep. Just a guy who likes to spike his hitcounts with the attentions of bored slashdotters. A guy with a mailbox aliased to/dev/null and fingers on autopilot. Need X amount of copy, lessee, linux ruled last week, okay, it sucks now. That'll keep 'em coming.
> He doesn't realize that a lot of the GNU software is older than Linux itself, and older than NT.
One of those pieces of GNU (or at least GPL'd) software that's older than NT is... Linux.
The column was just so much flamebait to spike the hitcount. Had it even a smidgen of editing, fact-checking (see timeline note above), or even issues of substance, I might have thought otherwise. All we did was make the Tribune happy with the hitcount. People don't read articles fawning over Linux as much as they read articles that are critical of it. The demographics beancounters checking the hitcounts and the referer logs know this.
TAO looks nice, but it still doesn't come with anywhere near a full complement of the common services.
I need a freely-available ORB that implements DII, DSI, POA, and Security. The last one is important because I want to create a multi-user collaborative system based on MOO, and the only sane way to do security in this system is to authenticate the sender of a message. Your obj.foo() method is called, first thing you ask is "who wants to know?". The Security service gives you an answer with get_credentials(). I still can't get something as simple as that in a free ORB. Some offer me SSL, which is like giving me a secure phone line when I still don't have caller ID.
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FSF made gcc. FSF used gcc to make GNU. GNU is a software distribution. See how that works?
I've heard of forward thinking but this is ridiculous. Q3 is being ported for MacOS 8, not MacOS X. MacOS 8 does not now nor will it ever have the features that will be added Real Soon Now. iMacs do not currently ship with OS X. Not surprisingly, as Carmack has a product to ship for the installed base, not the one that will ship Real Soon Now, he bashes what he has to work with now.
> No big deal that it can't call itself UNIX. Linux can't either.;-) No X and that is worse.
No, but Linux can call itself POSIX. It's even been certified to that effect now. And the X/Open standard doesn't mean it doesn't have X11 -- X/Open is the organization that owns the Unix trademark (now initial-cap only, I believe) and certifies systems (for an exhorbitant fee) as Unix compliant. The latest spec is Unix 98, and I don't know of any implementations that are fully compliant with it.
That's the lovely thing about standards. So many to choose from.
So the answer is: when you fall, blame Microsoft. When your product isn't adopted, blame Microsoft. We're all victims of Microsoft.
It's really easy to be a victim. But victims don't get things done
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I'm not really up on compiler design, but does gcc support an equivalent to the windows __stdcall and __cdecl declarations? Basically, can it generate windows code? GNU wouldn't exist without gcc. Think about what it would do to windows if everyone started getting windows freeware as source. Commercial unixen are being undermined by free unix because the free tools are portable and more functional. Microsoft believes in "embrace and extend", but we can counter it with "insinuate and absorb".
Considering Linus himself has been pronouncing it "Linn-ucks" lately, the FAQ needs some updating. I've actually switched from "Lie-nucks" to "Linn-ucks" myself.
Multiple brandings, multiple distributions, multiple pronunciations. I love it. Hail Eris.
Not a mail reader (I have Emacs). Not a news reader (I have Emacs). Not an IRC client (I have Emacs). Not a contact manager (I have Emacs). Not an HTML editor (I have Emacs). Not a Web browset (I have Emacs).
> Finally, I think it is cool that you contribute to KDE. I don't see why GNOME opinions should affect you. They deserve the criticism they get.
Perhaps, perhaps not. They're just sick of hearing it. As a linux user myself, I am sick of being associated with the general lack of maturity that goes with the screeching voices of advocacy for either environment. You have a right to your opinions. The developers have a right not to listen and the right to decline to associate with people who don't respect that right.
Oh yeah, anyone who runs any microsoft software is in bed with microsoft. no wonder you don't have the guts to put a name behind that. if this is the state of critical thinking skills of so-called "nerds", the entire industry is sunk.
Mice: I had a magic point mouse, liked it for its low profile and light-touch buttons. Had some serious weight too. The MS mouse buttons have too hard a touch for me. Mouse wheel is nice, I use it to scroll in netscape and emacs. Whichever one I use, I'm always de-crudding it or it gets bumpy as a country backroad. The ball retainer ring on the MS mouse is a nice touch. MS Trackball is horrid, the buttons are in the *wrong* places, and that one needs constant de-crudding, once a day it seems. I now have a Logitech MarbleMan+, which uses a spotted ball and an optical tracker. Crud doesn't affect the tracking, just offers some resistance to pushing. De-crudding involves flicking the crud off the posts. I love it.
MS Natural Keyboard: the new model I hate. Tiny arrow keys with a diamond shape -- blech. Function keys that look like they belong on a laptop. Had an old one, the feel of it was nice, the touch on it was no mac keyboard (those have very nice key feel). Fed it a beer one night and it died even after attempts to clean it. I stick with el-cheapo $10 generic keyboards now.
MS SideWinder joystick: The twist was innovative, but I rarely use it (got better torso positioning with the keyboard in mechwarrior, only use it for wing commander because its sucky flight model forces me to use it). One of the springs on it snaps loudly when I move the stick in a circle, though it doesn't seem to affect positioning. The throttle on it is flimsy, inaccurate, and worthless. And nothing ever seems to use those four extra buttons. The force feedback model looks nice, but I've seen better and more forceful FF joysticks out there, I'll give MS's a miss.
This is already happening. Isn't Sun offering some reward (a pittance compared to commercial development costs) for the first practical application of XSL?
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I have taught middle-aged adults who have never used a computer before to write their own web pages in notepad (actually, PFE). I found that one of the biggest stumbling blocks for new computer users is the mouse. So here's how my lesson went (about 8 people in the lesson, I'd already introduced them to the hardware, like what the mouse is)
"All right, put your hand on the mouse, push it up to the back of your desk. Far as it'll go. Now leave it there."
I then proceeded to tell them how to use alt-tab and f5 for refresh (we were using IE, netscape for win3.1 was not being friendly with me). Fairly soon I had people looking at their page, flipping back to notepad, making some edits, flipping back, hitting f5, repeat. refresh, flip, edit, flip, refresh. I just had to say "flip" and by the end of the lesson, a timid older woman had alt-tab down as a learned reflex.
No, f5 and alt-tab are not intuitive metaphors, but they didn't care. Once it was learned, the action was as meaningful as any other symbol, like red meaning stop (in western cultures anyhow).
When they stopped fumbling with the mouse and started getting real work done with immediate feedback on their results, their confidence picked up immediately.
Oh, and I pointed them at solitaire so they could learn mouse jockeying in their spare time:)
What about the Motif project ??
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Motif menus don't scroll. They cascade with a "more..." entry. It's fantastically annoying and one of the things I despise about bloatif. Perhaps you're thinking of listboxes?
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Trusted Solaris 2.5.1 is certified E3/F-B1 and E3/F-C2. Naturally MS doesn't even mention the existence of Trusted Solaris.
I mention DII, DSI, and POA as "services", knowing they're not part of the Common Services list, but some so-called ORBs (*cough* ORBit *cough*) don't even implement those completely.
There's nothing better I'd like to do than write one of the services, but security is something you can't do an amateur job with. I'm a complete crypto dunce. And from the look of it, it's one of the biggest and hairiest services of all, encompassing auditing, non-repudiation, domain policies, custom policies, principal authentication, and on and on. Seems terribly complicated to me at least.
First the "fraud" line, now "punk kids". And not a good thing to say about SCO. Desperate. And not just a little sad.
You reading this, SCO?
I think you're likely to see source for 2D and binary-only for 3D. It's a good start, anyway.
No sheep. Just a guy who likes to spike his hitcounts with the attentions of bored slashdotters. A guy with a mailbox aliased to /dev/null and fingers on autopilot. Need X amount of copy, lessee, linux ruled last week, okay, it sucks now. That'll keep 'em coming.
And so they did. And the paper pulls in bucks.
> He doesn't realize that a lot of the GNU software is older than Linux itself, and older than NT.
... Linux.
One of those pieces of GNU (or at least GPL'd) software that's older than NT is
The column was just so much flamebait to spike the hitcount. Had it even a smidgen of editing, fact-checking (see timeline note above), or even issues of substance, I might have thought otherwise. All we did was make the Tribune happy with the hitcount. People don't read articles fawning over Linux as much as they read articles that are critical of it. The demographics beancounters checking the hitcounts and the referer logs know this.
> Not so long ago you where the big CORBA booster, and then, quite suddenly, you switched to the MS camp - wonder why?
It makes him more money? It's a distributed object service, not the cure for cancer. He doesn't need any more reasons than money.
Don't forget HITLER
TAO looks nice, but it still doesn't come with anywhere near a full complement of the common services.
I need a freely-available ORB that implements DII, DSI, POA, and Security. The last one is important because I want to create a multi-user collaborative system based on MOO, and the only sane way to do security in this system is to authenticate the sender of a message. Your obj.foo() method is called, first thing you ask is "who wants to know?". The Security service gives you an answer with get_credentials(). I still can't get something as simple as that in a free ORB. Some offer me SSL, which is like giving me a secure phone line when I still don't have caller ID.
FSF made gcc. FSF used gcc to make GNU. GNU is a software distribution. See how that works?
I just discovered my screwdriver won't cut a board. Must be worthless.
I've heard of forward thinking but this is ridiculous. Q3 is being ported for MacOS 8, not MacOS X. MacOS 8 does not now nor will it ever have the features that will be added Real Soon Now. iMacs do not currently ship with OS X. Not surprisingly, as Carmack has a product to ship for the installed base, not the one that will ship Real Soon Now, he bashes what he has to work with now.
> No big deal that it can't call itself UNIX. Linux can't either. ;-) No X and that is worse.
No, but Linux can call itself POSIX. It's even been certified to that effect now. And the X/Open standard doesn't mean it doesn't have X11 -- X/Open is the organization that owns the Unix trademark (now initial-cap only, I believe) and certifies systems (for an exhorbitant fee) as Unix compliant. The latest spec is Unix 98, and I don't know of any implementations that are fully compliant with it.
That's the lovely thing about standards. So many to choose from.
So the answer is: when you fall, blame Microsoft. When your product isn't adopted, blame Microsoft. We're all victims of Microsoft.
It's really easy to be a victim. But victims don't get things done
I'm not really up on compiler design, but does gcc support an equivalent to the windows __stdcall and __cdecl declarations? Basically, can it generate windows code? GNU wouldn't exist without gcc. Think about what it would do to windows if everyone started getting windows freeware as source. Commercial unixen are being undermined by free unix because the free tools are portable and more functional. Microsoft believes in "embrace and extend", but we can counter it with "insinuate and absorb".
Considering Linus himself has been pronouncing it "Linn-ucks" lately, the FAQ needs some updating. I've actually switched from "Lie-nucks" to "Linn-ucks" myself.
Multiple brandings, multiple distributions, multiple pronunciations. I love it. Hail Eris.
All I want is a freaking Web browser!
Not a mail reader (I have Emacs).
Not a news reader (I have Emacs).
Not an IRC client (I have Emacs).
Not a contact manager (I have Emacs).
Not an HTML editor (I have Emacs).
Not a Web browset (I have Emacs).
er wait...
> Finally, I think it is cool that you contribute to KDE. I don't see why GNOME opinions should affect you. They deserve the criticism they get.
Perhaps, perhaps not. They're just sick of hearing it. As a linux user myself, I am sick of being associated with the general lack of maturity that goes with the screeching voices of advocacy for either environment. You have a right to your opinions. The developers have a right not to listen and the right to decline to associate with people who don't respect that right.
> Let me tell you why no real software developer will use any visual product to code!
I take it you have evidence to back up this wild assertion?
Oh yeah, anyone who runs any microsoft software is in bed with microsoft. no wonder you don't have the guts to put a name behind that. if this is the state of critical thinking skills of so-called "nerds", the entire industry is sunk.
Mice: I had a magic point mouse, liked it for its low profile and light-touch buttons. Had some serious weight too. The MS mouse buttons have too hard a touch for me. Mouse wheel is nice, I use it to scroll in netscape and emacs. Whichever one I use, I'm always de-crudding it or it gets bumpy as a country backroad. The ball retainer ring on the MS mouse is a nice touch. MS Trackball is horrid, the buttons are in the *wrong* places, and that one needs constant de-crudding, once a day it seems. I now have a Logitech MarbleMan+, which uses a spotted ball and an optical tracker. Crud doesn't affect the tracking, just offers some resistance to pushing. De-crudding involves flicking the crud off the posts. I love it.
MS Natural Keyboard: the new model I hate. Tiny arrow keys with a diamond shape -- blech. Function keys that look like they belong on a laptop. Had an old one, the feel of it was nice, the touch on it was no mac keyboard (those have very nice key feel). Fed it a beer one night and it died even after attempts to clean it. I stick with el-cheapo $10 generic keyboards now.
MS SideWinder joystick: The twist was innovative, but I rarely use it (got better torso positioning with the keyboard in mechwarrior, only use it for wing commander because its sucky flight model forces me to use it). One of the springs on it snaps loudly when I move the stick in a circle, though it doesn't seem to affect positioning. The throttle on it is flimsy, inaccurate, and worthless. And nothing ever seems to use those four extra buttons. The force feedback model looks nice, but I've seen better and more forceful FF joysticks out there, I'll give MS's a miss.
Overall, it's pretty much average.
This is already happening. Isn't Sun offering some reward (a pittance compared to commercial development costs) for the first practical application of XSL?
I have taught middle-aged adults who have never used a computer before to write their own web pages in notepad (actually, PFE). I found that one of the biggest stumbling blocks for new computer users is the mouse. So here's how my lesson went (about 8 people in the lesson, I'd already introduced them to the hardware, like what the mouse is)
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"All right, put your hand on the mouse, push it up to the back of your desk. Far as it'll go. Now leave it there."
I then proceeded to tell them how to use alt-tab and f5 for refresh (we were using IE, netscape for win3.1 was not being friendly with me). Fairly soon I had people looking at their page, flipping back to notepad, making some edits, flipping back, hitting f5, repeat. refresh, flip, edit, flip, refresh. I just had to say "flip" and by the end of the lesson, a timid older woman had alt-tab down as a learned reflex.
No, f5 and alt-tab are not intuitive metaphors, but they didn't care. Once it was learned, the action was as meaningful as any other symbol, like red meaning stop (in western cultures anyhow).
When they stopped fumbling with the mouse and started getting real work done with immediate feedback on their results, their confidence picked up immediately.
Oh, and I pointed them at solitaire so they could learn mouse jockeying in their spare time
Motif menus don't scroll. They cascade with a "more..." entry. It's fantastically annoying and one of the things I despise about bloatif. Perhaps you're thinking of listboxes?