Someone mod this down and prehaps find this guy's address and give him a spanking of his life time he's always writing this very same message. Word for word. Just copy and paste.
Before i write this i want to say why. Because people like you guys need to think beyond your little worlds.
EXT2 doesn't lose data like a firehose spray water. It's good enough for alot of people. And most people avoid at all cost the sort of total power failure that will be bad for EXT2.
The reason why linux is getting support from so many people and companies is because, unlike mr mundie's suggestion, of the GPL.
Look at FreeBSD or other "free" BSDs. Why don't IBM and others support this great OS? Because it's not under the GPL. This is easy to understand actually if you take a step back and think.
Take exmple "JSF" for linux or "XFS" both are open source projects. JSF is actually under the GPL. Why would ibm do that? Well really for ibm and most other companies they just don't make enough from selling their own UNIX. Open source makes it possible for IBM and SGI and others to take advantage of the resources of their competitors. Werid eh? IBM works on the linux kernel and so does SGI and both gets something out of it but neither has to pay the full cost of developing the kernel.
But the real strength as so many have pointed out is that the GPL specifically makes it practical for companies like IBM to share it's technology. They can have no fear that people will use their technology aganist them by offering it as their own. Sure they can use it in their own OS and charge for the OS but the OS will have to be open source. Or else they will still have to pay for developers.
What is also very good for computer firms is the the development of most Linux projects is a very open proccess. With the likes of FreeBSD you have to work your way into the organization before you can contribute to the core code. Sure you can spin off your own. But again you don't get the community support and you have to foot the whole bill yourself.
At the bottom of it all marketing is very important. Linux markets well. It has media attention. It attracts the University students in CS program who will come out to the work in the real world some day. It supports flashy multimedia... in otherwords linux is more impersonating. It's the like the geeky guy who is nice and friendly, very helpful but quiet who works hard but can't get a date the contrasting with the fashy guy who's not so nice, loud and parties a lot but gets all the girls. It's the world what can i say?
Guess why linux would crash on a Mac? Because apple never open their hardware documentation!
So don't go complaining. go ahead and use OSX or if you are really the clueless asshole that you are use 9.1 till the ends of day and suffer the problems of a outdated OS.
This is becoming very common he post something everyone complains about it.
Lets not look at this at face value. What is true isn't what is said directly but what the world at large thinks of the net and teenagers in relation to the net.
That's what's important. It's clear alot of people think there are hackers out ot get them. And yes there are some people who are lurking waiting for just the right time to do some pretty horrible things to the internet and to your personal information. But normally nothing happens.
So it's not what sterero types are in this piece but that fact that alot of people out there believes this shit. That's what's important.
Well of course "everyone" knows racism is bad. And "everyone" knows AIDS is a real danger.
So explain to me why there is a growing trend of people in the world thinking that AIDs is not such a big deal anymore. Even as the numbers of infection grows? So tell me why the heck are their still Neo Nazis or KKK people knocking around the world?
Well concidering we had to basically do what MS had years to do in a short time. And that we are all basically the same specie.
I can't say I am suprised. You can say lets do a new wheel that'll do such and such a great thing. But at the end of the day it's still a wheel. And that's where we are we have to fill our library with software that' do our common everyday tasks.
Yeah we all know that intel sells us hardware at high price so the reseller all have to make isty bitsy bits because intel takes a big chunk.
The real problem isn't that. IF you look at dell site they sell you ram for your servers at a few times the market price. All for "brand" and "support".
So dell has the brand and support what does VA have? They sell intel boxes that I can put together myself.
Look at sub cobalt. They sell U1 units with really interesting extras. Like their webmin software. They package it in nice interesting colors and give it good support plus this extra software.
VA could have made a business of hardware if they only made something different. I for one think that there isn't really anyone offering enterprise solutions for linux. IF VA is taht good with software they could have easily made Say applience firewall (cobalt and firebox). OR massive multiway server.
But most of their offerings were bread and butter rack mounts not very interesting..
That's totally wrong. Very ood you should even say that...
Why if the world would you say not work for MS if you are crap? Cause if you are crap and MS offers you a job you'll take it no? Cause companies with smaller buget can't afford dead weight. Get it? Whcih universe do you live in buddy?
Windows being seen by millions? Millons of what? Millons of people who can't care less about who you are or what you do. That's what!
Linux is used by whom? Used by people who would come up to you at a trade show and tell you how much they liked you work.
Where does slashdot find people like these who have the oddest ideas?
The best mech at a F1? Track? And if you ask them why they work there what would the tell you? Money? Dream on. They'll tell you it's the competition and the reward of a job well done.
That's what linux is about job well done and achivement.
I totally agree that the best don't automatically work for money. If you are the best you usually love your work. That's why you are the best cause you are willing to spent time on it.
I can tell you now that at work I take short cuts and do less then perfect jobs because i am told to do it. I don't want to do it so why spent that extra hour making it better when i just need to get a job done?
With your work being rewarded by money there isn't a direct connection between the reward and work. Yes if you work well you can be put into a better posistion. But as we all know promotions are not so much about job skills as it is ass kissing skills.
Open source creates a situation where the programmer is rewarded by their peers. Why do we have movie stars? Because they act well? Prehaps but I think the alure of flame and glory is more powerful.
IF people are doing this not for fun that what are they going to code open source for? Profit?
The fun is all part of it. It gives people drive to do better.
Even MS does it with the likes of "clippy" and his being out of a job. It's call fun and even MS knows how to have some.
I suggest you go read this book call "PC Roadkill" you'll find that inside MS there is more fun then you think. They are not all just money hungry spwans of evil.
Where would we be if linus said that when he was about to start linux? he would have said gee it's such a waste of time to make a new os when there are already some OS out there.
Of course this isn't the same but it's simlar.
Also this is part of the fun of linux that keeps people here!
That is a misleading idea. I was smart enough to use those things before I was mature enough to deal with issues presented by what's avalible online.
Sure there are things that a kid should figure out themselves but there are also things that the need help with. Even if they can keep things from their parents.
Yes and that's is why is high school chemistry labs we should allow children access to dangerous chemicals without supervision.
Your point goes both ways. And your use of it is faulty because like other dangerious items allowing it to be carried and used by faulty humans allows bad things to happen. You don't see people walking around with h-bombs do you? I mean gee we have used the idea of MAD for so long less attach h-bombs to ourselves and dare people to try to do harm to us! Gee what a great idea.. i am sure Mr Bush will write a new law for that!
I don't think portscanners are in anyway related to gun laws.
If you want to draw comparison i would suggest night vision googles with a gun vs nmap with a root script.
Nmap is a useful tool but guns in the hands of the irresponsible is not a tool it is a weapon it causes injury and death.
Nmap just like the googles lets you see. The googles can let you attack someone in the dark but unless you use the googles by striking it at the person the googles does not do harm. Nmap no matter how you look at it can hardly be used to cause damage to a server directly. That's what different from guns and nmap.
Parts of the population of the USA have really strange notions of right, wrong, good and bad. They complain about other countries but at the same time they are not perfect. Some states still have the death penalty.
Take guns and death penalty for example. You have the death penalty for murder and other terrible crimes in some states. At the same time you have tons of guns floating around. A criminal has a gun and he's going to use the gun. As he's armed he expects that the police will shoot at him and he might get killed. So if he ends up in a shoot out with cops he can either die in the fight slowly bleeding to death or die later in a nice clean room painlessly due to leathal injection. So in what ways does the death penalty acts to prevent this guy from commiting crimes?
MS is not invincible. Although they might seems so. The launch of the XBox will seriously test their finance. And it could prove to be a total disaster!
Remember the dreamcast? It was earilier and better then the PS2. But it screwed up. IT could have been earilier and even better but internal politics added quite a bit of time to it's development.
Ms still faces a very power Sony. Sony has produced two winning console so far. They dominate the industry. And they know what needs to be done to ensure they win. Ms isn't going to just walk in and be able to snap up the market. Although I think they have a fair chance at doing quite well.
Most of us are looking at the number of different things MS is going to try in the next few years are we are awed. And rightly so because it is a very large number of thing to try and do at the same time.
First off they have to put out the Xbox. That needs alot of marketing which cost tons of money. They need to distribute the Xbox to retailers again going to cost money. The xbox is the size of an elephant and it looks like something ripped out of a borg ship ( how interesting..). Basically it looks ugly and as a result it would be harder to sell.
Also of interest is what the Xbox and PS2 is trying to do. They are becoming more and more like PCs. Which has alot of implications. For example how popular is getting online with webtv or a console now? Not very if you look at the amount of web-ware that's got a console version. True Xbox will be running windows and should mean alot of clients like icq and other web-ware for the xbox. But at the end of the day you are not going to find writing emails or sufting the net on your low resolution Tv very easy to use. Sure tack on a high resolution TV or a monitor but that'll make the thing about as or more expensive then a low end PC.
Generals try very hard not to have a 2 front war. MS is walking into a multi-front war with Sun, Sony, IBM and AOL. They are going to push XP,.NET, Xbox and MSN all at the same time? Gee maybe good for the advististment industry but not very good for MS's pocket books.
Some would tell you that alot of africa's problems started with the introducation of colonial power.
Basically the colony kept a peace and introduced guns to the regon. They then made half ass attempts to allow the people to rule themselves after world war two proves the difficulties of defending colonies. They did it in such a way they just left a power vaccum. End results of which is everyone who thinks they have a claim to power jumped for it.There you go that's way your primitive people are all suffering right now.
They were primitive as in they didn't have computer and such. Gee? Lets see would you say that technologically the Japanese wasn't all that much more advanced during the same period? Now how come they are not still living in mud huts and totting AK-47s?
Just take a look at India and Pakasitan. Why do you think that the situation exist there for war? Oh right i forgotten gandhi and jinnah. Screw that the reason india and pakastan are enemies is because the original government was removed. Did you realise that the original government of the whole place was musilim? Or that they were able to keep a quite peace?
The reason is that the japanese were able to retain their power. They were able to control their own destiny. Granted that the japanese had a strong central government. But you know what?
Everywhere where colonial power resulted in nothing but crap for the local people. Don't tell me that you don't know about the opium trade in China Mr Wu..
That's what i would call MS's current direction. They want ot sell us opium in the form of.NET and subscription software.
You my dear person has just gotten youself in deep shit.
That statement about what? Enligtenment of the primative people? What century are you from? Don't tell me they invented time travel already. Oh right you must be a Microserf.
Now much as tyour words about the east india company is terrible if not partly right. I must say you and the rest of the world dont' get it!
It's not MS's OS being popular and linux or BSD isn't it is the point that they are making a grab for control of all you information that's the point.
.NET if successful will enabled MS to be at the center of every single bit of information floating around the net. They don't acutally handle it but they can decide who can. That also is alot more power then you imagin it seems.
Now what about those apps you are talking about? Photoshop, cakewalk and those drivers are not given to you my MS. It's thrid party developers. That's what you don't get. MS is putting together every single feature it can think of into it's OS. Soon you wouldn't get a choice. All you'll get is some dumb down idea of software that MS thinks you need. How does that sound?
Do you really want MS to give you everything you use?
Concidering that it's common agreement between geeks that the truely good crackers don't deface. Defacement it's the act of stupid criminals. Or a very smart one but generally only the stupid kind does it. It brings too much attention.
If a really good cracker cracked MS I don't think he/she would tell anyone but trusted friends. There's a gold mine of info and stuff if you can crack MS's network.
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yeah a real world version of the hamster dance in space.. great...
'How about when energy and other resources becomes free? You are going to see more then the cost of gas if you teleport your food.
Someone mod this down and prehaps find this guy's address and give him a spanking of his life time he's always writing this very same message. Word for word. Just copy and paste.
Before i write this i want to say why. Because people like you guys need to think beyond your little worlds.
EXT2 doesn't lose data like a firehose spray water. It's good enough for alot of people. And most people avoid at all cost the sort of total power failure that will be bad for EXT2.
The reason why linux is getting support from so many people and companies is because, unlike mr mundie's suggestion, of the GPL.
Look at FreeBSD or other "free" BSDs. Why don't IBM and others support this great OS? Because it's not under the GPL. This is easy to understand actually if you take a step back and think.
Take exmple "JSF" for linux or "XFS" both are open source projects. JSF is actually under the GPL. Why would ibm do that? Well really for ibm and most other companies they just don't make enough from selling their own UNIX. Open source makes it possible for IBM and SGI and others to take advantage of the resources of their competitors. Werid eh? IBM works on the linux kernel and so does SGI and both gets something out of it but neither has to pay the full cost of developing the kernel.
But the real strength as so many have pointed out is that the GPL specifically makes it practical for companies like IBM to share it's technology. They can have no fear that people will use their technology aganist them by offering it as their own. Sure they can use it in their own OS and charge for the OS but the OS will have to be open source. Or else they will still have to pay for developers.
What is also very good for computer firms is the the development of most Linux projects is a very open proccess. With the likes of FreeBSD you have to work your way into the organization before you can contribute to the core code. Sure you can spin off your own. But again you don't get the community support and you have to foot the whole bill yourself.
At the bottom of it all marketing is very important. Linux markets well. It has media attention. It attracts the University students in CS program who will come out to the work in the real world some day. It supports flashy multimedia... in otherwords linux is more impersonating. It's the like the geeky guy who is nice and friendly, very helpful but quiet who works hard but can't get a date the contrasting with the fashy guy who's not so nice, loud and parties a lot but gets all the girls. It's the world what can i say?
Guess why linux would crash on a Mac? Because apple never open their hardware documentation!
So don't go complaining. go ahead and use OSX or if you are really the clueless asshole that you are use 9.1 till the ends of day and suffer the problems of a outdated OS.
Bash Katz day?
This is becoming very common he post something everyone complains about it.
Lets not look at this at face value. What is true isn't what is said directly but what the world at large thinks of the net and teenagers in relation to the net.
That's what's important. It's clear alot of people think there are hackers out ot get them. And yes there are some people who are lurking waiting for just the right time to do some pretty horrible things to the internet and to your personal information. But normally nothing happens.
So it's not what sterero types are in this piece but that fact that alot of people out there believes this shit. That's what's important.
Wouldn't it be pretty cool if someone decided to air drop a few thousand short wave radios into the that country.
WE should do opensourced FUD! so everyone can contribute! Lets make a bigger stick together to beat microsoft with!!
BLAH!
Well of course "everyone" knows racism is bad. And "everyone" knows AIDS is a real danger.
So explain to me why there is a growing trend of people in the world thinking that AIDs is not such a big deal anymore. Even as the numbers of infection grows? So tell me why the heck are their still Neo Nazis or KKK people knocking around the world?
Because "everyone" isn't all people in this case.
Well concidering we had to basically do what MS had years to do in a short time. And that we are all basically the same specie.
I can't say I am suprised. You can say lets do a new wheel that'll do such and such a great thing. But at the end of the day it's still a wheel. And that's where we are we have to fill our library with software that' do our common everyday tasks.
Only the differences here is that people can't really be zealots about generic intel boxes. Unliike linux the OS.
When MS enters a market people groan and bitch. When dell offers you cheap rates everyone cheers.
Yeah we all know that intel sells us hardware at high price so the reseller all have to make isty bitsy bits because intel takes a big chunk.
The real problem isn't that. IF you look at dell site they sell you ram for your servers at a few times the market price. All for "brand" and "support".
So dell has the brand and support what does VA have? They sell intel boxes that I can put together myself.
Look at sub cobalt. They sell U1 units with really interesting extras. Like their webmin software. They package it in nice interesting colors and give it good support plus this extra software.
VA could have made a business of hardware if they only made something different. I for one think that there isn't really anyone offering enterprise solutions for linux. IF VA is taht good with software they could have easily made Say applience firewall (cobalt and firebox). OR massive multiway server.
But most of their offerings were bread and butter rack mounts not very interesting..
That's totally wrong. Very ood you should even say that...
Why if the world would you say not work for MS if you are crap? Cause if you are crap and MS offers you a job you'll take it no? Cause companies with smaller buget can't afford dead weight. Get it? Whcih universe do you live in buddy?
Windows being seen by millions? Millons of what? Millons of people who can't care less about who you are or what you do. That's what!
Linux is used by whom? Used by people who would come up to you at a trade show and tell you how much they liked you work.
Where does slashdot find people like these who have the oddest ideas?
right on !!
The best mech at a F1? Track? And if you ask them why they work there what would the tell you? Money? Dream on. They'll tell you it's the competition and the reward of a job well done.
That's what linux is about job well done and achivement.
I totally agree that the best don't automatically work for money. If you are the best you usually love your work. That's why you are the best cause you are willing to spent time on it.
I can tell you now that at work I take short cuts and do less then perfect jobs because i am told to do it. I don't want to do it so why spent that extra hour making it better when i just need to get a job done?
With your work being rewarded by money there isn't a direct connection between the reward and work. Yes if you work well you can be put into a better posistion. But as we all know promotions are not so much about job skills as it is ass kissing skills.
Open source creates a situation where the programmer is rewarded by their peers. Why do we have movie stars? Because they act well? Prehaps but I think the alure of flame and glory is more powerful.
Bullshit!
IF people are doing this not for fun that what are they going to code open source for? Profit?
The fun is all part of it. It gives people drive to do better.
Even MS does it with the likes of "clippy" and his being out of a job. It's call fun and even MS knows how to have some.
I suggest you go read this book call "PC Roadkill" you'll find that inside MS there is more fun then you think. They are not all just money hungry spwans of evil.
Where would we be if linus said that when he was about to start linux? he would have said gee it's such a waste of time to make a new os when there are already some OS out there.
Of course this isn't the same but it's simlar.
Also this is part of the fun of linux that keeps people here!
That is a misleading idea. I was smart enough to use those things before I was mature enough to deal with issues presented by what's avalible online. Sure there are things that a kid should figure out themselves but there are also things that the need help with. Even if they can keep things from their parents.
Yes and that's is why is high school chemistry labs we should allow children access to dangerous chemicals without supervision.
Your point goes both ways. And your use of it is faulty because like other dangerious items allowing it to be carried and used by faulty humans allows bad things to happen. You don't see people walking around with h-bombs do you? I mean gee we have used the idea of MAD for so long less attach h-bombs to ourselves and dare people to try to do harm to us! Gee what a great idea.. i am sure Mr Bush will write a new law for that!
I don't think portscanners are in anyway related to gun laws.
If you want to draw comparison i would suggest night vision googles with a gun vs nmap with a root script.
Nmap is a useful tool but guns in the hands of the irresponsible is not a tool it is a weapon it causes injury and death.
Nmap just like the googles lets you see. The googles can let you attack someone in the dark but unless you use the googles by striking it at the person the googles does not do harm. Nmap no matter how you look at it can hardly be used to cause damage to a server directly. That's what different from guns and nmap.
Parts of the population of the USA have really strange notions of right, wrong, good and bad. They complain about other countries but at the same time they are not perfect. Some states still have the death penalty.
Take guns and death penalty for example. You have the death penalty for murder and other terrible crimes in some states. At the same time you have tons of guns floating around. A criminal has a gun and he's going to use the gun. As he's armed he expects that the police will shoot at him and he might get killed. So if he ends up in a shoot out with cops he can either die in the fight slowly bleeding to death or die later in a nice clean room painlessly due to leathal injection. So in what ways does the death penalty acts to prevent this guy from commiting crimes?
Enough is enough!
.NET, Xbox and MSN all at the same time? Gee maybe good for the advististment industry but not very good for MS's pocket books.
MS is not invincible. Although they might seems so. The launch of the XBox will seriously test their finance. And it could prove to be a total disaster!
Remember the dreamcast? It was earilier and better then the PS2. But it screwed up. IT could have been earilier and even better but internal politics added quite a bit of time to it's development.
Ms still faces a very power Sony. Sony has produced two winning console so far. They dominate the industry. And they know what needs to be done to ensure they win. Ms isn't going to just walk in and be able to snap up the market. Although I think they have a fair chance at doing quite well.
Most of us are looking at the number of different things MS is going to try in the next few years are we are awed. And rightly so because it is a very large number of thing to try and do at the same time.
First off they have to put out the Xbox. That needs alot of marketing which cost tons of money. They need to distribute the Xbox to retailers again going to cost money. The xbox is the size of an elephant and it looks like something ripped out of a borg ship ( how interesting..). Basically it looks ugly and as a result it would be harder to sell.
Also of interest is what the Xbox and PS2 is trying to do. They are becoming more and more like PCs. Which has alot of implications. For example how popular is getting online with webtv or a console now? Not very if you look at the amount of web-ware that's got a console version. True Xbox will be running windows and should mean alot of clients like icq and other web-ware for the xbox. But at the end of the day you are not going to find writing emails or sufting the net on your low resolution Tv very easy to use. Sure tack on a high resolution TV or a monitor but that'll make the thing about as or more expensive then a low end PC.
Generals try very hard not to have a 2 front war. MS is walking into a multi-front war with Sun, Sony, IBM and AOL. They are going to push XP,
That is so typical!
.NET and subscription software.
Some would tell you that alot of africa's problems started with the introducation of colonial power.
Basically the colony kept a peace and introduced guns to the regon. They then made half ass attempts to allow the people to rule themselves after world war two proves the difficulties of defending colonies. They did it in such a way they just left a power vaccum. End results of which is everyone who thinks they have a claim to power jumped for it.There you go that's way your primitive people are all suffering right now.
They were primitive as in they didn't have computer and such. Gee? Lets see would you say that technologically the Japanese wasn't all that much more advanced during the same period? Now how come they are not still living in mud huts and totting AK-47s?
Just take a look at India and Pakasitan. Why do you think that the situation exist there for war? Oh right i forgotten gandhi and jinnah. Screw that the reason india and pakastan are enemies is because the original government was removed. Did you realise that the original government of the whole place was musilim? Or that they were able to keep a quite peace?
The reason is that the japanese were able to retain their power. They were able to control their own destiny. Granted that the japanese had a strong central government. But you know what?
Everywhere where colonial power resulted in nothing but crap for the local people. Don't tell me that you don't know about the opium trade in China Mr Wu..
That's what i would call MS's current direction. They want ot sell us opium in the form of
You my dear person has just gotten youself in deep shit.
That statement about what? Enligtenment of the primative people? What century are you from? Don't tell me they invented time travel already. Oh right you must be a Microserf.
Now much as tyour words about the east india company is terrible if not partly right. I must say you and the rest of the world dont' get it!
It's not MS's OS being popular and linux or BSD isn't it is the point that they are making a grab for control of all you information that's the point.
.NET if successful will enabled MS to be at the center of every single bit of information floating around the net. They don't acutally handle it but they can decide who can. That also is alot more power then you imagin it seems.
Now what about those apps you are talking about? Photoshop, cakewalk and those drivers are not given to you my MS. It's thrid party developers. That's what you don't get. MS is putting together every single feature it can think of into it's OS. Soon you wouldn't get a choice. All you'll get is some dumb down idea of software that MS thinks you need. How does that sound?
Do you really want MS to give you everything you use?
As we can see here.. MS could never say that they have off site trusted source for every single bit of their software.
Unlike us.
How interesting.
Who's to say they haven't been?
Concidering that it's common agreement between geeks that the truely good crackers don't deface. Defacement it's the act of stupid criminals. Or a very smart one but generally only the stupid kind does it. It brings too much attention.
If a really good cracker cracked MS I don't think he/she would tell anyone but trusted friends. There's a gold mine of info and stuff if you can crack MS's network.