You booked appointments so you say but you booked them not in good faith but with a different reason in mind which was to do a live denial of service on Apple and it's customers . So , it can argued that you use a perfectly legal method and used it to illegally force Apple to comply with your demands .
As for your example in Boston , a public sidewalk protest has a much more leeway than doing it on the streets as long as the protestors are not interfering with the company's right to do business and the customer's right to buy from them and by the way , the Genius bar as we all know is inside the Apple Store and you are right , Apple cannot evict you and charge you with trespassing when you are protesting outside on the sidewalk but it is a different matter when you are harassing their staff inside the Apple store which the Genius bar is located even when you have a perfectly nice booked appointment .
Ah , but street protests needs a permit from city hall and if I am not mistaken, street protests without a rally permit gets the riot police in action to disperse said protest . In your case , the situation you gave as an example is not analogous to what you and your friends had done because you are not protesting on public property . You had protested in a PRIVATE property . So , your group had committed the crime of trespassing and second , harassment which led to the loss of x amount of dollars and time for both Apple and it's customers and third , your actions constituted as a threat because you had shown that you are willing to use force to obtain your agenda which your group did regardless of absence of violence . So if Apple decides to sue FSF to kingdom come in front of court , the judge would rule against you .
And for your last point , now I know why I don't trust FSF or any activist's organizations , their leadership and many of their fanatical members never understood the concept of free choice and free will . If you want Apple to listen to you , compete for customers .
Oh yeah , it was so wonderful in the old Soviet Union that people would line up for hours just to get a kilo of meat , a dozen eggs , a few wilted vegetables while the apparatchiks gets to live in dachas , plenty of food and able to obtained german appliances for their own use. It did not help during Russia's transition to Free market from socialist/central economy that many of the former apparatchiks and KGB agents were the ones running the economy and many of them were blinded with corruption.
Excuse me ? If I am not mistaken , it wasn't well received by a lot of geeks , techies and the computer world in general , Cmdr Taco's comment sums it up back then in this very succinct sentence ",No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame" . The only folks who bought the first generation iPods were primarily Mac users who got tired of getting ignored by Creative and other Window based mp3 players .
Actually , there were a lot of white Christians that were enslaved during the height of Islamic expansion up to it's decline in the nineteenth century . The Barbary wars as well as the start of Europe aggressively attacking the slave traders during the 1800s ended that type of slavery .
Actually , being a heretic got you killed in most of the ancient world as well even before Christianity . The practice of dealing with heresy and heretics were as old as man itself. Your second assertion lacks a lot of facts as well . Explain to me this simple fact , why did Christianity took several centuries to take root in the Roman empire and the rest of Europe while it took Islam less than three centuries to spread throughout North Africa , the Iberian peninsula , Sicily , the Levent , Persia , Mesopothamia and India . Read a real history book for a change , you might just learn a few things about Islam for a change. Convert or die is not the mantra of Christianity during the 4th century , it was the mantra of Islam from the seventh century up to now. Terms like dhimmitude and jizya you must know as well as the history of the Jannisaries and the white slave trade in the Mediterrean that ended when the European powers in the 19th century destroyed the barbary pirates and colonized North Africa. It will open your eyes.
What is racist about Islam anyway , Islam and muslim is not a race , there are Caucasian muslims , Arab muslims , Chinese muslims , Hispanic muslims , African muslims . Using racism as an excuse for a religion that is multi racial means that it's defenders have a very weak leg to stand on to defend Islam as a religion. Secondly , where do the posters get the videos of muslims murdering christians and others , here is a hint , on radical muslim websites .
How many abortion clinics were attacked recently ? Hell , if truth be told , it's less than 5 a year and Christians have no problem helping the authorities prosecute the criminal and denouncing the act . Of course , if christians do the crime regardless of degrees , it's big news , if muslim fanatics do the crime , it's gets shoved under the rug by the media and government authorities .
Ahh , you have forgotten the main thing here, Apple built the iPod and own the music store as well as the FairPlay DRM , they don't own the content of what they sell on the iTMS store . They sign a damn contract with the music companies to let Apple sell their songs thru iTunes . Now if Apple own all the record companies , build the iPods and have iTMS as the primary distributer of downloadable music with the exclusion of all others , you may have a point . Since they do not , your analogy sucks big time.
I agree with most of your points except the legislation part . The best way to deal with iTMS success is by having a digital music company having the courage to tell recording companies that they can outsell iTMS if they are given a chance to sell their songs without DRM on all mp3 players including the iPod on both Windows and Macintosh platform as well as the Linux platform. Legislating commerce sometimes lead to unpleasant consequences especially to the consumers.
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a) Humans do not control this world's thermostat inspite your rantings. We can influence it a little , but truth be told , the Sun as well as the activities of this planet contribute to the raising or lowering of the Earth's temperature.
b) Do you realize that the most aggressive wildlife conservation occurs in wealthy countries because they can and because the majority of it's citizens are very well educated and earn enough money to help directly and indirectly in wildlife conservation . They can afford to build wildlife preserves as well as create breeding programs to help endangered species. Places like China and other communist countries have varying wild conservation programs depending on the wildlife's popularity and how it helps them in the public relations game . For unheralded creatures like the baiiji , it's tough luck . In poor countries like the Philippines , wild life programs like the Calauit preserve and the monkey eagle breeding program are supported by mostly foreign donations or in the case of Calauit , government money . But at most , a lot of endangered species are ignored because the government does not have the money , it's people have varying levels of education and above all , for many of the poor people in the hinderlands , personal survival takes precedence over an endangered animal.
c) There are a lot of conservationists in the conservative ranks , ironically , many of them are hunters and sports fishermen. They know more about wildlife conservation than some know it all posting in/. and they are more realistic in their goals than you can ever be. .
BTW , I don't care what college or university you got your college degree in the Philippines , but your post reminds me that you might had spend most of your time in college being with the LFS and other leftist groups protesting rather than getting serious with your studies.It showed in your post.
Except that those bases were to be used by the US navy as well as the Royal Navy to help hunt down German U-boats and secure the Atlantic.Honestly,the British could have gotten more than those destroyers in exchange for those leases considering the cost of those obsolete destroyers will not amount as much to those bases unless there was an unwritten agreement between those two leaders that made the deal possible.
Ahh,but there's a big difference,here in the US,we can tell anybody to go to hell over the net without recrimination on our internet status,if somebody in China wants to do the same to his government,the least they might do is shut him off from internet access,we all know what the worst is.Do you want censorship,fine,embrace this idea.Let me see how we can be able to communicate freely over the internet when the bureaucrats gets in the way
Considering that the Allies used the United States manufacturing prowess to produced not only war materiel,but also items such as food,cars,clothing and other necessary civilian and government needs in WWII,isn't it fair to ask that somebody has to pay for it considering that the american people were forced to go on rations because of it.
Psst,just a reminder. A certain US president named FDR decided on his own initiative to start the the Lend Lease program to help the UK against Nazi Germany in March of 1941.Without that program and of course the fifty obsolete US destroyers that was donated earlier in 1940 and the US navy's highly irregular convoy escort duties in the Atlantic before Dec 7,1941 against German U-boats.Hitler might have possibly induced the UK to surrender due to lack of food as well as lack of weapons of war considering that the U-boats were having a field day everytime a convoy sailed through the Atlantic.
It is much worse than that.It is not about money nor independence from US control,it's about restriction and taxation without representation by default.Think about it,if the UN and the EU got control over the internet,free speech will go away,politically correct speech will be the norm.China,Saudi Arabia,Cuba and others are using software filters to screen the internet for subversive ideas as of now.But if the UN gets control of it and the way the UN is leaning idealogically,all these countries have to do is lean on the UN and China and the rest will never see those subversive ideas again over the net. Or how about criticism towards the UN and the EU,do we really think the blogs will be free to criticize these institutions and their bureaucrats when they have control? Chances are that these bloggers will see their internet access permanently revoked while they are paying a national tax for it's use. How about taxation,I'm living in the US and I want to buy something in Australia,if the UN or the EU has control of it,I may be forced to pay a fee for using it outside my region,another fee for sales tax and another fee for time of use.If you think I'm exaggerating,just wait and see.
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You booked appointments so you say but you booked them not in good faith but with a different reason in mind which was to do a live denial of service on Apple and it's customers . So , it can argued that you use a perfectly legal method and used it to illegally force Apple to comply with your demands . As for your example in Boston , a public sidewalk protest has a much more leeway than doing it on the streets as long as the protestors are not interfering with the company's right to do business and the customer's right to buy from them and by the way , the Genius bar as we all know is inside the Apple Store and you are right , Apple cannot evict you and charge you with trespassing when you are protesting outside on the sidewalk but it is a different matter when you are harassing their staff inside the Apple store which the Genius bar is located even when you have a perfectly nice booked appointment .
Ah , but street protests needs a permit from city hall and if I am not mistaken, street protests without a rally permit gets the riot police in action to disperse said protest . In your case , the situation you gave as an example is not analogous to what you and your friends had done because you are not protesting on public property . You had protested in a PRIVATE property . So , your group had committed the crime of trespassing and second , harassment which led to the loss of x amount of dollars and time for both Apple and it's customers and third , your actions constituted as a threat because you had shown that you are willing to use force to obtain your agenda which your group did regardless of absence of violence . So if Apple decides to sue FSF to kingdom come in front of court , the judge would rule against you . And for your last point , now I know why I don't trust FSF or any activist's organizations , their leadership and many of their fanatical members never understood the concept of free choice and free will . If you want Apple to listen to you , compete for customers .
Best comment I have seen for a while .
Oh yeah , it was so wonderful in the old Soviet Union that people would line up for hours just to get a kilo of meat , a dozen eggs , a few wilted vegetables while the apparatchiks gets to live in dachas , plenty of food and able to obtained german appliances for their own use. It did not help during Russia's transition to Free market from socialist/central economy that many of the former apparatchiks and KGB agents were the ones running the economy and many of them were blinded with corruption.
Excuse me ? If I am not mistaken , it wasn't well received by a lot of geeks , techies and the computer world in general , Cmdr Taco's comment sums it up back then in this very succinct sentence ",No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame" . The only folks who bought the first generation iPods were primarily Mac users who got tired of getting ignored by Creative and other Window based mp3 players .
Actually , there were a lot of white Christians that were enslaved during the height of Islamic expansion up to it's decline in the nineteenth century . The Barbary wars as well as the start of Europe aggressively attacking the slave traders during the 1800s ended that type of slavery .
Actually , being a heretic got you killed in most of the ancient world as well even before Christianity . The practice of dealing with heresy and heretics were as old as man itself. Your second assertion lacks a lot of facts as well . Explain to me this simple fact , why did Christianity took several centuries to take root in the Roman empire and the rest of Europe while it took Islam less than three centuries to spread throughout North Africa , the Iberian peninsula , Sicily , the Levent , Persia , Mesopothamia and India . Read a real history book for a change , you might just learn a few things about Islam for a change. Convert or die is not the mantra of Christianity during the 4th century , it was the mantra of Islam from the seventh century up to now. Terms like dhimmitude and jizya you must know as well as the history of the Jannisaries and the white slave trade in the Mediterrean that ended when the European powers in the 19th century destroyed the barbary pirates and colonized North Africa. It will open your eyes. What is racist about Islam anyway , Islam and muslim is not a race , there are Caucasian muslims , Arab muslims , Chinese muslims , Hispanic muslims , African muslims . Using racism as an excuse for a religion that is multi racial means that it's defenders have a very weak leg to stand on to defend Islam as a religion. Secondly , where do the posters get the videos of muslims murdering christians and others , here is a hint , on radical muslim websites .
How many abortion clinics were attacked recently ? Hell , if truth be told , it's less than 5 a year and Christians have no problem helping the authorities prosecute the criminal and denouncing the act . Of course , if christians do the crime regardless of degrees , it's big news , if muslim fanatics do the crime , it's gets shoved under the rug by the media and government authorities .
Ahh , you have forgotten the main thing here, Apple built the iPod and own the music store as well as the FairPlay DRM , they don't own the content of what they sell on the iTMS store . They sign a damn contract with the music companies to let Apple sell their songs thru iTunes . Now if Apple own all the record companies , build the iPods and have iTMS as the primary distributer of downloadable music with the exclusion of all others , you may have a point . Since they do not , your analogy sucks big time.
I wish people in the Norwegian Consumer Council had thought of that first become saying the iTMS was illegal.
I agree with most of your points except the legislation part . The best way to deal with iTMS success is by having a digital music company having the courage to tell recording companies that they can outsell iTMS if they are given a chance to sell their songs without DRM on all mp3 players including the iPod on both Windows and Macintosh platform as well as the Linux platform. Legislating commerce sometimes lead to unpleasant consequences especially to the consumers.
Oh you mean the Zune MarketPlace. Thanks , but no thanks.
circletimesquare a) Humans do not control this world's thermostat inspite your rantings. We can influence it a little , but truth be told , the Sun as well as the activities of this planet contribute to the raising or lowering of the Earth's temperature. b) Do you realize that the most aggressive wildlife conservation occurs in wealthy countries because they can and because the majority of it's citizens are very well educated and earn enough money to help directly and indirectly in wildlife conservation . They can afford to build wildlife preserves as well as create breeding programs to help endangered species. Places like China and other communist countries have varying wild conservation programs depending on the wildlife's popularity and how it helps them in the public relations game . For unheralded creatures like the baiiji , it's tough luck . In poor countries like the Philippines , wild life programs like the Calauit preserve and the monkey eagle breeding program are supported by mostly foreign donations or in the case of Calauit , government money . But at most , a lot of endangered species are ignored because the government does not have the money , it's people have varying levels of education and above all , for many of the poor people in the hinderlands , personal survival takes precedence over an endangered animal. c) There are a lot of conservationists in the conservative ranks , ironically , many of them are hunters and sports fishermen. They know more about wildlife conservation than some know it all posting in /. and they are more realistic in their goals than you can ever be. .
BTW , I don't care what college or university you got your college degree in the Philippines , but your post reminds me that you might had spend most of your time in college being with the LFS and other leftist groups protesting rather than getting serious with your studies.It showed in your post.
Except that those bases were to be used by the US navy as well as the Royal Navy to help hunt down German U-boats and secure the Atlantic.Honestly,the British could have gotten more than those destroyers in exchange for those leases considering the cost of those obsolete destroyers will not amount as much to those bases unless there was an unwritten agreement between those two leaders that made the deal possible.
Ahh,but there's a big difference,here in the US,we can tell anybody to go to hell over the net without recrimination on our internet status,if somebody in China wants to do the same to his government,the least they might do is shut him off from internet access,we all know what the worst is.Do you want censorship,fine,embrace this idea.Let me see how we can be able to communicate freely over the internet when the bureaucrats gets in the way
I'm not american.I just work here.
Considering that the Allies used the United States manufacturing prowess to produced not only war materiel,but also items such as food,cars,clothing and other necessary civilian and government needs in WWII,isn't it fair to ask that somebody has to pay for it considering that the american people were forced to go on rations because of it.
Psst,just a reminder. A certain US president named FDR decided on his own initiative to start the the Lend Lease program to help the UK against Nazi Germany in March of 1941.Without that program and of course the fifty obsolete US destroyers that was donated earlier in 1940 and the US navy's highly irregular convoy escort duties in the Atlantic before Dec 7,1941 against German U-boats.Hitler might have possibly induced the UK to surrender due to lack of food as well as lack of weapons of war considering that the U-boats were having a field day everytime a convoy sailed through the Atlantic.
It is much worse than that.It is not about money nor independence from US control,it's about restriction and taxation without representation by default.Think about it,if the UN and the EU got control over the internet,free speech will go away,politically correct speech will be the norm.China,Saudi Arabia,Cuba and others are using software filters to screen the internet for subversive ideas as of now.But if the UN gets control of it and the way the UN is leaning idealogically,all these countries have to do is lean on the UN and China and the rest will never see those subversive ideas again over the net. Or how about criticism towards the UN and the EU,do we really think the blogs will be free to criticize these institutions and their bureaucrats when they have control? Chances are that these bloggers will see their internet access permanently revoked while they are paying a national tax for it's use. How about taxation,I'm living in the US and I want to buy something in Australia,if the UN or the EU has control of it,I may be forced to pay a fee for using it outside my region,another fee for sales tax and another fee for time of use.If you think I'm exaggerating,just wait and see.