I think the Mozilla javascript engine projects (Tamarin turned Tracemonkey) were well on the way before Google "spat" out Chrome. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
That's my point though. I love Linux for what it is. I also know that an OS that needs the user to delve into man pages and "learn" how to use it is not very intuitive. That was my point. grep, apropos, etc... this is basically meaningless. Nobody even knows what they mean besides the person that wrote them or named them and the person that they told how to use it. If you were placed in front of the PC with no computer knowledge whatsoever, you're likely going to type help since you have used a computer. Someone that doesn't might type 'go' or 'run' or 'make me a cheese sandwich.' There are literally thousands of things they can type. With a UI, you only have a few options to get things running.
Ideally, placing someone in front of a computer will present them with a page of multilingual options to get them started. It first and foremost puts the user in common territory. After they select the language, a simple prompt of 'would you always like to use this language?' and you go from there. Giving them a command prompt with no other assistance is mostly worthless to those uninitiated in PC lingo.
I'm not knocking the command line. It has it's purpose for now. I know this is a little philosophical, but why doesn't the Enterprise present the Captain with a command prompt that he has to use in order to make the ship go?
It was confirmed. That was an attempt at sarcastic humor.
I could argue with you that there's really no more code needed except the button needed to launch the same server that the game already has built into it for battle.net. You plug in some simple run of the mill local broadcast and discovery that has been the staple method taught in schools for years now, and you're done. They just need to enable it.
I enjoy playing LAN games with my friends over Hamachi without having to first log into a remote server, set up a private room and give it a password that they have to then type in. On top of that, it might not be there in 5-10 years when I decide to pull out the game "for old time sake." With a simple LAN mode, you could host a game, your friends could just click search and viola. Your at the top of the list of servers and they can just click to join. Even if they have to type my IP for direct connect, it's still much simpler than some complicated search or "friend list." If they were smart enough, they could even put your IP in the Hosts file so they just have to type your name.
The motivation here (IMHO) is simply another broken attempt to defeat piracy by forcing everyone to "check in" to battle.net before they can play. If not that, it's a lame excuse to say that it's not a popular method of play because of the simplicity of it. If you think LAN gaming is somehow more difficult than "battle.net" gaming, I take it you aren't a programmer.
I read through them and thought the same. I personally hope to have some massive virtual worlds with seamless transitions, weather, deformation... hell, I just want my Dwarf Fortress worlds to be persistent and explorable in 3D with fortresses and kingdoms that compete for population and trades while fending off goblins, dragons, and demons. Oh, and add to that the need to protect their trade routes...
Popularity is relative. I'd even argue that MMOs are not about social experiences but about competitiveness with millions of people and being able to escape reality's social experiences. If popular gaming is social, arcades would be thriving today.
Is there a "law" that states Godwin's law will be applied to any and all conversations leading to references of Nazi's or Hitler? Kind of like a meta-law...
It's not necessarily idiots (but I'm sure it applies somewhat.) Boards are made up of people from other companies. In fact, the company I work for took on a board member from Symantec a few years back. The same year, everyone got "upgraded" to Symantec Anti-Virus. It's a buddy-buddy world in Corporate America.
If a government can actually save money by using linux, then their using Windows amounts to overtaxing their citizens for the benefit of a private corporation. That is bad.
Sounds about par for the course these days though...
Not sure why you were modded down... you can practically go into any market with a blindfold and pick up a random food item. Take off the blindfold and read the ingredients list. You'll likely find HFCS as one of the major items on the list.
I have a feeling that I may work at the same place you do... except for that IE7 thing. Our standard is still IE6 unless it's a Vista machine. The time card site has javascript that detects your browser and kicks you out if it detects anything besides IE. IETab works well for that.;)
I run FF3 with Adblock and Firebug for a week at a time (reboot every Friday) at work. I experience none of these slowdowns people keep talking about and I open and close tabs all day long for multiple pages developed for both IE and web standards.
All this on a terribly underpowered corporate assigned 1G RAM XP box.
That's all fine... if you get the first letter right, but like you said, you could run into a command that you think is right but is all wrong. I'd even argue that it would be easier for viruses to spread if a user had to figure out what to type. If they wanted to "open the internet" and typed inte[tab] at the command line and had downloaded something harmful, or someone with malicious intent placed it, they would never know. Hell, in DOS you could put a.com file in a folder that would run something else entirely before the executable that was intended.
I fully agree, but the "average" user won't be adding 100 user accounts every 4 months. The context I was referring to was adding one or two users. It's easier to use a GUI to "add" users than it is to fire off a command that you need to use flags like -g to specify a group for that user as well. If you had simple window with the options for the user, they could be more successful at adding a family member. You could even expand the functionality to include a drop down list of all the available groups that you could put them in and a "directory selection" button to tell the machine where to put the home directory (even though it should be with the other users.)
How many people would use Google if you had to type "grep cheese sandwiches" instead of typing what they are looking for and clicking on search. How complex would search be if you had to type find, search, look for, get, scavenge, dig, gopher, or google (before Google was a verb) before the stuff you were looking for. Now, what if nobody told you what that search command was? You'd be typing for about 5 minutes trying to figure out what keyword triggers the search. You'd likely have given up. A search is pretty generic. Type your query, click the button that closely resembles search. I've even used foreign language websites based on the look of the buttons and layout. GP has a point. GUIs tell you what information they want. The user doesn't have to guess what to type to get it to do something.
I have no problem with command lines... if that works for you. It doesn't work for everyone though. When you are learning the computer, it's 10,000 times easier for a user to click through a menu with familiar looking icons than have to remember to add specific flags, pipes, commands, and how to use them. It's easier to go into a store, pick up and buy an orange in a foreign country than it is to ask someone to get you an orange if you don't know the language.
And for the record, I use Linux daily. I'm in no way defending Windows... but I do think GUIs have a place in the world. They make using a computer easy. If they are a maze of complex things, they are overly cumbersome and designed poorly. Microsoft is doing this with Vista/7. They are hiding settings behind dialogs and wizards. Someone forgot the idea behind the 3 click rule. There are many that like the new start/search feature, but I don't. It is like putting a band-aid on a bad design. Making users "search" their desktop instead of organizing the data in the first place is poor interfacing.
That's why I love the simplicity of Gnome... System / Administration
If you want to find a game: Applications / Games
Play a video or music: Applications / Media
Everything is 3-4 clicks away and it's actually organized. Granted. Sometimes I check both System/Preferences and System/Administration for things because there's a bit of crossover, but it's not like digging through Windows trying to find out how to set something without a wizard.
Slashdot Mirror
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html
Put your name on the list. Well, um... your email that is.
I think the Mozilla javascript engine projects (Tamarin turned Tracemonkey) were well on the way before Google "spat" out Chrome. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
You could show your interest and give them an email list of Linux hopefuls...
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html
Who knows, maybe that actually look at the count of email addresses to decide on the proper resources to allocate.
That's my point though. I love Linux for what it is. I also know that an OS that needs the user to delve into man pages and "learn" how to use it is not very intuitive. That was my point. grep, apropos, etc... this is basically meaningless. Nobody even knows what they mean besides the person that wrote them or named them and the person that they told how to use it. If you were placed in front of the PC with no computer knowledge whatsoever, you're likely going to type help since you have used a computer. Someone that doesn't might type 'go' or 'run' or 'make me a cheese sandwich.' There are literally thousands of things they can type. With a UI, you only have a few options to get things running.
Ideally, placing someone in front of a computer will present them with a page of multilingual options to get them started. It first and foremost puts the user in common territory. After they select the language, a simple prompt of 'would you always like to use this language?' and you go from there. Giving them a command prompt with no other assistance is mostly worthless to those uninitiated in PC lingo.
I'm not knocking the command line. It has it's purpose for now. I know this is a little philosophical, but why doesn't the Enterprise present the Captain with a command prompt that he has to use in order to make the ship go?
It was confirmed. That was an attempt at sarcastic humor.
I could argue with you that there's really no more code needed except the button needed to launch the same server that the game already has built into it for battle.net. You plug in some simple run of the mill local broadcast and discovery that has been the staple method taught in schools for years now, and you're done. They just need to enable it.
I enjoy playing LAN games with my friends over Hamachi without having to first log into a remote server, set up a private room and give it a password that they have to then type in. On top of that, it might not be there in 5-10 years when I decide to pull out the game "for old time sake." With a simple LAN mode, you could host a game, your friends could just click search and viola. Your at the top of the list of servers and they can just click to join. Even if they have to type my IP for direct connect, it's still much simpler than some complicated search or "friend list." If they were smart enough, they could even put your IP in the Hosts file so they just have to type your name.
The motivation here (IMHO) is simply another broken attempt to defeat piracy by forcing everyone to "check in" to battle.net before they can play. If not that, it's a lame excuse to say that it's not a popular method of play because of the simplicity of it. If you think LAN gaming is somehow more difficult than "battle.net" gaming, I take it you aren't a programmer.
There's simply no reason to NOT include it.
So when you spin your body around 180 degrees to take shots at the guy behind you launching rockets at your head... how do you see the TV?
I can't wait for the legislation making public gaming illegal. You know, to protect the kids from themselves.
I read through them and thought the same. I personally hope to have some massive virtual worlds with seamless transitions, weather, deformation... hell, I just want my Dwarf Fortress worlds to be persistent and explorable in 3D with fortresses and kingdoms that compete for population and trades while fending off goblins, dragons, and demons. Oh, and add to that the need to protect their trade routes...
Popularity is relative. I'd even argue that MMOs are not about social experiences but about competitiveness with millions of people and being able to escape reality's social experiences. If popular gaming is social, arcades would be thriving today.
You'd think they were trying to kill the game. What's next? No LAN play?
I really don't believe so. There are whole genres of games around today that pretty much didn't exist 10 years ago. Rhythm action, for example
You've never played with a Simon have you? Oh, I guess you're right. That was nearly 20 years ago. 10 years ago we only had Parappa the Rappa.
They have commercials every 5 seconds it seems.
Is there a "law" that states Godwin's law will be applied to any and all conversations leading to references of Nazi's or Hitler? Kind of like a meta-law...
It's not necessarily idiots (but I'm sure it applies somewhat.) Boards are made up of people from other companies. In fact, the company I work for took on a board member from Symantec a few years back. The same year, everyone got "upgraded" to Symantec Anti-Virus. It's a buddy-buddy world in Corporate America.
If a government can actually save money by using linux, then their using Windows amounts to overtaxing their citizens for the benefit of a private corporation. That is bad.
Sounds about par for the course these days though...
Not sure why you were modded down... you can practically go into any market with a blindfold and pick up a random food item. Take off the blindfold and read the ingredients list. You'll likely find HFCS as one of the major items on the list.
I don't know. We'd have to put up with complaining about those who might have multiple accounts. Oh, and those Anonymous Cowards doing what ACs do.
Strictly circumstantial, but I've found it's easier to develop for the standard and add in "hacks" to make IE work.
I have a feeling that I may work at the same place you do... except for that IE7 thing. Our standard is still IE6 unless it's a Vista machine. The time card site has javascript that detects your browser and kicks you out if it detects anything besides IE. IETab works well for that. ;)
I run FF3 with Adblock and Firebug for a week at a time (reboot every Friday) at work. I experience none of these slowdowns people keep talking about and I open and close tabs all day long for multiple pages developed for both IE and web standards.
All this on a terribly underpowered corporate assigned 1G RAM XP box.
That's all fine... if you get the first letter right, but like you said, you could run into a command that you think is right but is all wrong. I'd even argue that it would be easier for viruses to spread if a user had to figure out what to type. If they wanted to "open the internet" and typed inte[tab] at the command line and had downloaded something harmful, or someone with malicious intent placed it, they would never know. Hell, in DOS you could put a .com file in a folder that would run something else entirely before the executable that was intended.
I fully agree, but the "average" user won't be adding 100 user accounts every 4 months. The context I was referring to was adding one or two users. It's easier to use a GUI to "add" users than it is to fire off a command that you need to use flags like -g to specify a group for that user as well. If you had simple window with the options for the user, they could be more successful at adding a family member. You could even expand the functionality to include a drop down list of all the available groups that you could put them in and a "directory selection" button to tell the machine where to put the home directory (even though it should be with the other users.)
How many people would use Google if you had to type "grep cheese sandwiches" instead of typing what they are looking for and clicking on search. How complex would search be if you had to type find, search, look for, get, scavenge, dig, gopher, or google (before Google was a verb) before the stuff you were looking for. Now, what if nobody told you what that search command was? You'd be typing for about 5 minutes trying to figure out what keyword triggers the search. You'd likely have given up. A search is pretty generic. Type your query, click the button that closely resembles search. I've even used foreign language websites based on the look of the buttons and layout. GP has a point. GUIs tell you what information they want. The user doesn't have to guess what to type to get it to do something.
I have no problem with command lines... if that works for you. It doesn't work for everyone though. When you are learning the computer, it's 10,000 times easier for a user to click through a menu with familiar looking icons than have to remember to add specific flags, pipes, commands, and how to use them. It's easier to go into a store, pick up and buy an orange in a foreign country than it is to ask someone to get you an orange if you don't know the language.
And for the record, I use Linux daily. I'm in no way defending Windows... but I do think GUIs have a place in the world. They make using a computer easy. If they are a maze of complex things, they are overly cumbersome and designed poorly. Microsoft is doing this with Vista/7. They are hiding settings behind dialogs and wizards. Someone forgot the idea behind the 3 click rule. There are many that like the new start/search feature, but I don't. It is like putting a band-aid on a bad design. Making users "search" their desktop instead of organizing the data in the first place is poor interfacing.
It's actually Applications / Sound & Video by default... I changed mine to media.
That's why I love the simplicity of Gnome...
System / Administration
If you want to find a game:
Applications / Games
Play a video or music:
Applications / Media
Everything is 3-4 clicks away and it's actually organized. Granted. Sometimes I check both System/Preferences and System/Administration for things because there's a bit of crossover, but it's not like digging through Windows trying to find out how to set something without a wizard.