I realise that summaries, by definition, miss some information but why edit out two of the six partners? Mediatek has a market cap of c.$15bn and Ericsson $40bn. Not exactly small players in this space.
Why not mention EMC and Ericsson in the summary, who are the only other two companies in the consortium? They're not small companies - they have market caps of $57bn and $47bn respectively. RIM are about a third to a quarter of the size at $15bn.
To mooingyak - thank you. I am fairly thin skinned, so I tend to take criticism badly. Except from geekoid who didn't even read my post properly (his "out of habit" vs. my "convert" statement). I shan't follow him into ad hominem territory.
I posted it this time as a sign of solidarity - a show of strength from those of us who normally remain silent on forums where we're in a minority, against a rather aggressive and vocal majority.
Being a Catholic on/. is like extolling the virtues of Linux in a Microsoft shop. You know you're right but you can't keep hitting your head against that wall.
Unfortunately for Netbeans zealots, it has never caught up with Eclipse. It may have surpassed it temporarily for certain apps (think Grails support - but look at STS 2.2.0). It's also not as good as IntelliJ IDEA (previously, always non-free).
Yes, both Netbeans and Eclipse are also RCP platforms, but how many real Netbeans platform apps are there? (The Nokia one on the web site is vapourware - yes it shows a real customer RAN - without their permission, I should add! - but it's never been a product delivered to customers). Real Eclipse RCP apps do exist (XMind, Lotus Smartsuite...). Realistically, they both over good RCP platforms (one pure Java, one SWT) but Oracle won't really care about that.
As for JDeveloper - well it's a typical Oracle product - if you're in an Oracle house, it's pretty good, but no, it's not got a large userbase or community supporting it.
Oracle should let Netbeans drift off into open source land. Perhaps it'll thrive? I don't know. JDeveloper's functionality should be ported to Eclipse (along with SQL Developer, while we're at it).
Oracle are great at giving you tools once you've signed up for the ride, and why not rebase your products on the best? Which in my opinion is Eclipse.
Can you elucidate on what is "Less Powerful" about GNOME? It may be less-configurable, but less powerful? No.
Having spent years piddling around, tweaking TWM, FVWM 1, WindowMaker, GNOME 1.x, I'm glad I have a desktop that "Just works". It's not fugly, has a consistent L&F (GNOME has a HIG) and does what it should out of the box.
Incremental improvements have worked in GNOME's case. OK, so the GNOME 3.0 project (check famous wiki page) has gone nowhere, because it basically is "Start Again" (again), but we're the better for not doing it. We have stability and usability.
Try Ubuntu 8.10, Fedora 10 or OpenSUSE 11.x live discs for a reality check. (And live Alpha disks with GNOME 2.26 are even better).
With the rise in popularity of Linux-based netbooks (many of which come with FF2.0) how can 2.0 be EOLd?
I know no-one wants to support old crufty software (especially for free...) but, there are many of real users out there who will have to stay with 2.0.
While Bruce and Debian are probably right, I do feel a certain "holier than thou" approach going on here.
If you owned a company and a junior engineer had done something _really_ stupid, you may not want to fully disclose the incompetence of one person as it would make your whole company look that bad.
In that case, a bit of corporate blather may look better than full disclosure...
Or we could just let the Mobile Telecoms companies roll out 3G LTE http://snipurl.com/3ohwz (should be here about as quickly as laying fibre to everyone's house...)
With T-Mo and 3UK consolidating their 3G RANs coverage is going to be expanded substantially.
Let's face it: the 3G licence holders (3UK, T-Mo, Orange, Voda and 02) paid a hell of a lot more in the spectrum auction to HM Govt. than this £28.8bn!
Disclaimer: I work for a Managed Service company directly working on the 3/T-Mo consolidation.
They've been doing the same with Intel cards too - putting the new (borked) iwlwifi drivers in instead of the working ipw3945. So on Fedora 8, I'm stuck with an old kernel and AT RPMs to make it work.
I tried a Fedora 9 livecd and iwlwifi did work now - last time I tried Fedora (7.04?) that still came with ipw3945 and openSUSE 10.3 has a GUI that lets you choose which driver you want (cool!).
I mean kudos for getting bleeding edge drivers working but infite dumbness for screwing over all Intel Wireless card owning users since FC7.
Interchange is a very powerful solution, but like the parent said: steep learning curve! We had a contractor in at work for our Interchange project, and you might like to consider that option too.
FYI: At one point Red Hat funded it (for good or bad I don't know).
Some wag put this sticker on here at work. It's genuine (and not just placed there for this slashdot story) but I only finally took tyhe picture when this subject came up. Enjoy!
DRM'd non-CDs also don't play in car CD players. So this isn't just some 5-10% of computer users complaining, it's a heck of a lot of the world!
Luckily, for the only non-CD I purchased, I had access to a Windows box with EAC on it to rip the CD and then burn a new copy, just so that I had the "right" to listen to some music I'd paid for. I will NEVER buy an encoded CD again. If that means missing out on some music, then so be it.
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I realise that summaries, by definition, miss some information but why edit out two of the six partners? Mediatek has a market cap of c.$15bn and Ericsson $40bn. Not exactly small players in this space.
+1 parent
Why not mention EMC and Ericsson in the summary, who are the only other two companies in the consortium? They're not small companies - they have market caps of $57bn and $47bn respectively. RIM are about a third to a quarter of the size at $15bn.
There is no such evidence. Thank you for calling me a cunt.
To mooingyak - thank you. I am fairly thin skinned, so I tend to take criticism badly. Except from geekoid who didn't even read my post properly (his "out of habit" vs. my "convert" statement). I shan't follow him into ad hominem territory.
I posted it this time as a sign of solidarity - a show of strength from those of us who normally remain silent on forums where we're in a minority, against a rather aggressive and vocal majority.
Being a Catholic on /. is like extolling the virtues of Linux in a Microsoft shop. You know you're right but you can't keep hitting your head against that wall.
Thank you so much for posting this.
As an English Catholic convert, I am too scared of getting slapped down on /. to post anything on such subjects. You've got guts.
nic
Wow, I've been modded as a troll. Shows standards really are slipping on /.
As for "facts" recheck - THE POPE HAS NOT BEEN IMPLICATED ONCE.
Do your research instead of trotting out the same old lies over and over again. *sigh*
nic
In the UK the average petrol price is £1.16.6p/litre (according to http://www.petrolprices.com/ ).
Google tells me that 1 US gallon = 3.78541178 litres and 1 British pound = 1.5943 U.S. dollars
So gas (petrol) is $7.04 per US gallon over here.
For 100000km at mfr's figures my Prius would cost approx. $7250 (More like $8-10k)
For a typical car of that ilk, look at $14k+ for fuel. So saving $7k in fuel cost alone by the figures (or $4-6k or perhaps more, in real life).
Unfortunately for Netbeans zealots, it has never caught up with Eclipse. It may have surpassed it temporarily for certain apps (think Grails support - but look at STS 2.2.0). It's also not as good as IntelliJ IDEA (previously, always non-free).
Yes, both Netbeans and Eclipse are also RCP platforms, but how many real Netbeans platform apps are there? (The Nokia one on the web site is vapourware - yes it shows a real customer RAN - without their permission, I should add! - but it's never been a product delivered to customers). Real Eclipse RCP apps do exist (XMind, Lotus Smartsuite...). Realistically, they both over good RCP platforms (one pure Java, one SWT) but Oracle won't really care about that.
As for JDeveloper - well it's a typical Oracle product - if you're in an Oracle house, it's pretty good, but no, it's not got a large userbase or community supporting it.
Oracle should let Netbeans drift off into open source land. Perhaps it'll thrive? I don't know. JDeveloper's functionality should be ported to Eclipse (along with SQL Developer, while we're at it).
Oracle are great at giving you tools once you've signed up for the ride, and why not rebase your products on the best? Which in my opinion is Eclipse.
Check Ofcom. 3 have the best 3G coverage in the UK.
Can you elucidate on what is "Less Powerful" about GNOME? It may be less-configurable, but less powerful? No.
Having spent years piddling around, tweaking TWM, FVWM 1, WindowMaker, GNOME 1.x, I'm glad I have a desktop that "Just works". It's not fugly, has a consistent L&F (GNOME has a HIG) and does what it should out of the box.
Incremental improvements have worked in GNOME's case. OK, so the GNOME 3.0 project (check famous wiki page) has gone nowhere, because it basically is "Start Again" (again), but we're the better for not doing it. We have stability and usability.
Try Ubuntu 8.10, Fedora 10 or OpenSUSE 11.x live discs for a reality check. (And live Alpha disks with GNOME 2.26 are even better).
nic
With the rise in popularity of Linux-based netbooks (many of which come with FF2.0) how can 2.0 be EOLd?
I know no-one wants to support old crufty software (especially for free...) but, there are many of real users out there who will have to stay with 2.0.
While Bruce and Debian are probably right, I do feel a certain "holier than thou" approach going on here.
If you owned a company and a junior engineer had done something _really_ stupid, you may not want to fully disclose the incompetence of one person as it would make your whole company look that bad.
In that case, a bit of corporate blather may look better than full disclosure...
Or we could just let the Mobile Telecoms companies roll out 3G LTE http://snipurl.com/3ohwz
(should be here about as quickly as laying fibre to everyone's house...)
With T-Mo and 3UK consolidating their 3G RANs coverage is going to be expanded substantially.
Let's face it: the 3G licence holders (3UK, T-Mo, Orange, Voda and 02) paid a hell of a lot more
in the spectrum auction to HM Govt. than this £28.8bn!
Disclaimer: I work for a Managed Service company directly working on the 3/T-Mo consolidation.
Bob Sutor is a darned clever guy. I met him at ISSAC '94.
He's one of the (many) developers of Axiom, but he co-wrote the book and worked on it full-time for years.
He also wrote a LaTeX plugin for Netscape (way back when) called IBM TechExplorer.
He's a lot more clever than you or I and definitely isn't clueless.
They've been doing the same with Intel cards too - putting the new (borked) iwlwifi drivers in instead of the working ipw3945. So on Fedora 8, I'm stuck with an old kernel and AT RPMs to make it work.
I tried a Fedora 9 livecd and iwlwifi did work now - last time I tried Fedora (7.04?) that still came with ipw3945 and openSUSE 10.3 has a GUI that lets you choose which driver you want (cool!).
I mean kudos for getting bleeding edge drivers working but infite dumbness for screwing over all Intel Wireless card owning users since FC7.
As someone currently using AMP on Solaris, I view myself as a LAMP developer with expensive purple hardware :-)
Mod parent up.
Interchange is a very powerful solution, but like the parent said: steep learning curve! We had a contractor in at work for our Interchange project, and you might like to consider that option too.
FYI: At one point Red Hat funded it (for good or bad I don't know).
Some wag put this sticker on here at work. It's genuine (and not just placed there for this slashdot story) but I only finally took tyhe picture when this subject came up. Enjoy!
Cue Lady Bracknell imitations throughout offices the world over.
Weirdly Lady Bracknell is still alive and has her own blog!
DRM'd non-CDs also don't play in car CD players. So this isn't just some 5-10% of computer users complaining, it's a heck of a lot of the world!
Luckily, for the only non-CD I purchased, I had access to a Windows box with EAC on it to rip the CD and then burn a new copy, just so that I had the "right" to listen to some music I'd paid for. I will NEVER buy an encoded CD again. If that means missing out on some music, then so be it.
Dork.
Fair enough. :-)
Mod imroy's post up as it corrects a factual mistake.
My Panasonic DVD-RAM recorder takes a flipping age to boot, and to shutdown. Presumably its checking the filesystem on the disk or something.
Jave would speed it up.