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SCO Offers Up The 'SCAMP' Stack
Robert wrote to mention a Computer Business Review Online article about SCO's newest marketing tactic. They're offering their OS as part of a 'SCAMP' stack, ala the more familiar LAMP setup. From the article: "The Lindon, Utah-based Unix vendor has included the open source Apache web server, MySQL database, and PHP and Perl programming languages with its SCO OpenServer operating system since the launch of OpenServer 6 in June 2005. It is now pitching the technologies as a SCAMP stack, placing it squarely up against the Linux-based LAMP stack. SCO claims that Linux contains Unix code donated to the open source operating system in violation of agreements between it and IBM Corp."
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In Ireland, a "scamp" is like a rascal. Like when a child does something and almost gets away with it, and no one's made, they'd be called a little scamp.
Is it not so in other countries or are SCO just the stupidest company ever to last this long?
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scamp1 Audio pronunciation of "scamp" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skmp)
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1. A rogue; a rascal.
2. A mischievous youngster.
How appropriate. . .
Big whoop. SCAMP, LAMP... so SCO is trying to compete with Linux. This is hardly news. As a matter of fact, you have to wonder what took them so long. Have they become so lawsuit happy that they've forgotten how to compete?
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I even remember back when they were Caldera. We'd see them at tradeshows all the time and wonder how on earth they planned to make it as a RedHat clone. I never thought they'd go this route. It's pretty sad really.
This is all pretty indicative of the times. A company need not actually make a product people need to use. They just have to either scare people away from competitors, or convince them that a bigger name is actually more important. Of course, bigger name for SCO just means that more people have heard of them due to unfounded lawsuits. Free publicity is good publicity I suppose.
It isn't safe to use SCAMP. SCO's corporate future is uncertain. They've based their entire company around a lawsuit that it looks like they will probably lose. It would be a bad idea to use SCAMP for a production system only to have SCO go bankrupt a year or two later.
Sure, you could convert your SCAMP-based application to LAMP if that happens, but doing that on a production system is very costly due to all the manpower to switch platforms and all the testing to make sure everything works.
You should ask yourself, what advantages does SCAMP offer over LAMP that warrants the risk of using a platform from a dying company? Are there even any such advantages at all?
It will save a lot of viewing time for those readers who actually want to find out about how SCAMP measures up to LAMP, LAPP, WAMP etc.
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From the OED:
scamp, n. A good-for-nothing, worthless person, a ne'er-do-well, 'waster'; a rascal. Also playfully as a mild term of reproof.
scamp, v. To do (work, a task, etc.) negligently or hurriedly.
This guy's the limit!
The thing I remember about Caldera, was the installer. While it was copying the files to disk (a process which at that time could take 20 minutes or longer - hell actually with today's DVD distros it can still take that long), it let you play a tetris clone.
To this day I miss this feature. I mean, you can only watch the marketing "This OS Rules!" crap all over the screen for so many installs before you want to drill your eyes out.
Can we get this added in to the Ubuntu installer? *PLEASE* ?
Am I the only one who read that first as "...SCAMP Attack"?
Somewhere in the dank basement levels far below Darl McBride's office, SCO's only remaining systems engineer is laughing wildly. They actually went with "SCAMP"! The fools!
LAMP isn't so much a literal acronym as much as is stands for the concept of all the components being open source. I doubt many people would stop calling it LAMP if it included FreeBSD instead of Linux, nor would replacing MySQL with ProgreSQL suddenly turn it into something completely different. Hell, the P can mean PHP, Perl or Python, and I think even Ruby would count as a LAMP language.
So how this SCAMP thing is supposed to be anything special, is completely beyond my comprehention.
However, I for one would be VERY curious as to how SCO is treating all the different FOSS licenses which apply. As far as I know, Apache's license has a mutual patent annihilation clause, and I'm pretty sure the other licenses have their own set of rules too. It would be all too funny if one of them found a reason to sue SCO over their prepackaged SCAMP solution.
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Still, there might be a few folks out there who've been using it for a while and feel more comfortable in it than in Linux or AIX. True, they're only delaying the inevitable, but it would give them a couple of years to get used to the operating system they'll be using after IBM gets done pounding SCO like a cheap side of flank steak.
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http://www.sco.com was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 9-Mar-2006 20:57:45 GMT
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http://www.edgeclickpark.com was running Apache on Windows 2000 when last queried at 14-Mar-2006 14:43:14 GMT
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server with all vendor patches installed and all vendor workarounds applied, is currently affected by 21 Secunia advisories some of which are rated Highly critical.
Who is running this stupid company?
Freudian marketing department?
Trademark violation. Plymouth owns the "intellectual property rights".
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And if they replace the PHP package with Tcl, they can call it SCAT.
"A company need not actually make a product people need to use. They just have to either scare people away from competitors, or convince them that a bigger name is actually more important."
Looks like it didn't work. Kind of shoots down that "sign of the times" argument. Which is little different than the "back in the day" argument.
Wow! That's big news if it's true. Why haven't we heard more about this?
Am I the only one who thinks the word SCAMP sounds like a disease? It's like: "I got the SCAMP from a burrito at Taco Bell last night".
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Darl can't even eat his own dogfood ...
http://www.sco.com/ was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 9-Mar-2006 20:57:45 GMT
Don't you get it, Darl owns Linux - IBM stole his code and put it in Linux therefore Darl owns Linux. So of course it's OK for SCO to run Linux because they own it all.
If that bit of reasoning makes sense to you then I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn that's for sale.
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'"We decided on SCAMP because it was easier to pronounce than 699LCSTB," McBride was later quoted as saying.'
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I was wondering what do you get when you subtract a p from SCAMP? SCAMP - P = SCAM oh its SCO's business model.
While OpenServer 6 was launched in two versions, with the Starter Edition for two users costing $599, and the Enterprise Edition for 10 users costing $1,399, the SCAMP stack is licensed for five users and is available for $999 until July 31.
Now wait, I'd be curious about this. It sounds to me like "SCAMP" is basically four free programs packaged together. Every single one of those four programs is under a different open source license, and the strictest of those licenses-- the GPL-- SCO is probably not bound by becuase they bought a commercial MySQL license from MySQL AB. But I have to wonder, exactly how are they enforcing this "licensed for five users" bit and are the licenses of all the included softwares okay with this? Perl at least allows closed-source redistribution I think, what about the others?
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Aren't they taking a risk having SCAM in the name of any of their offerings?
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I can't comment on what the point is in 2006. Back around 1996-9 when Caldera was doing this the idea was that there were commercial applications which hasn't been ported to Linux. Thus there was a chicken and egg problem for OEMs with LAMP; they depended on other apps or libraries and the libraries needed apps to make it worth the trouble to port.... The Linux abi project pretty much solved this problem. Further the commercial apps on SCO don't really exist anymore.
Anyway, a little irony. Caldera invented the term LAMP as part of their VAR marketing. its ironic that the SCO Group (which is the child of Caldera international) has to mimic a term they in some sense created.
So if I were to develop or deploy a web app on a Windows server using Apache, MySQL, and one of the P* languages, would it really whip the llama's ass?
But do Plymouth own "Scamp" across ALL categories? I doubt it :)
Under dilution law, if your trademark becomes famous enough, you do own it across all categories of goods and services.
I think they got hung up on the 'if true' part..... :)
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It sounds to me like "SCAMP" is basically four free programs packaged together.
How much does it cost to support Apache, MySQL, Perl, Python, and PHP?
Does the lawsuit come for free, or is it extra? SCO sues their customers, so why again would I touch them, 10 foot pole or not?
Then again, lets see about the technical merits. Other than the underlying OS, it is the same as the LAMP package. That means the choice is Linux vs SCO. From what I gather, SCO is:
1) Less secure
2) More expensive
3) Prone to legal attacks toward users
4) Far less supported
5) Far less available software/plugins
6) Has serious questions about the company being there in a year
7) Laughably scalable
8) Drivers?
I could go on, but you get the point. The vultures are circling, and no amount of hand-waving is going to fix things.
-Charlie
At least they got the 'SCAM' part right!
FUD... It's not just for SCO anymore. Seriously, while your post may be genuinely well-intentioned, it is a rather blatant load of FUD. It is entirely possible that SCO will continue to exist after they lose this lawsuit.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
the claim was too obvious... i'm certain that linux, windows, macs, and all other kinds of OSes and computers are being used by terrorists. (except for Windows Millenium Edition, which Al Qaida's IT department would not support because it sucked so bad).
but sco's suggestion was not the fact that terrorists use all kinds of tools, but rather they slyly implied that linux is a danger to national security.
so... linux is beneficial to terrorists, but open source databases aren't? couldn't be because sco decided they wanted to ship a open source db also, would it?
of all the falsehoods coming out of that company, this one is almost funny.
Excellent, so we just install from a 1GB flash drive or NFS mount and everything's cool right?
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I wonder if "WAMP" is the noise made when someone knocks over the LAMP on top of the SCAMP?
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Does it come with the quality we've come to expect from SCO?
You know: a free SCO IP License ($699 value) and a lawsuit over it, anyhow?
Schnorrer sounds better.
They have mastered the SCAM portion of it.
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SPAM |Sco PHP Apache Mysql| or AMPS |Apache Mysql...| but since it is SCO SCRIPT SCo has Read too many of Its own Press releases Today or something...