"With the advent of the language total annihilation is on the horizon for Java and all its developers. This new language/platform/stack is so revolutionary that developers are passing out from Ruby/LAMP/Python induced hyperventilation. Its virtually certain no one will write more than three lines of Java the day after Tuesday ever again."
Its getting seriously funny how many articles there are like this. Slashdot posted this nearly identical article about LAMP a week ago.
Why is it always language XXXX compared to Java rather than C++, C#, ASP, or even LAMP? I guess it means that for now Java is the king of the hill?
So which is superior...LAMP or Ruby (on or off the Rails;)??
I actually do enjoy these discussions because there are always more efficient ways to accomplish specific goals. Java can take a bit to get started with, but once there it is unparalled in being the Swiss Army knife of software development.
Without the competitive efforts of the Ruby community and M$ for instance Java probably would get stagnant so I applaud you Mr. Ruby Developer (Rails or otherwise).
Just give me a call when people start converting complex Java apps to Ruby because its easier to extend and enhance.
I was not aware Java is a non-starter. I use it every day to develop web applications. So thanks for informing me.
I do think Java is harder than it should be to start up a complex Java web application, but other than that Java makes me feel darn near omnipotent. With tools/APIs like Hibernate, Spring, IDEA (or Eclipse), the JUnit family, ANT/Maven there's nothing I can't write which isn't highly maintainable and extensible.
I've had to convert lots of Perl code to Java when sites grew too large and complex to be maintainable. Will the same thing be true of Ruby?
The main problem I see with Java is that so many creative people use it that its running in a dozen different directions all the time. I can't even count all the web MVC frameworks on my toes.
I do need to check out all the buzz about Ruby though.
Can anyone succinctly say why Ruby is easier than Java without just bashing Java? I would like to understand.
Its actually an important question, but how is it people who haven't actually used the technologies can get away with publishing something like this. I could just as well say " a new study finds that all movies today are categorically worse than those made in the past "....this statement would be equally meaningless.
First of all if you compare the Java and C# feature sets (as I have done a few times) they are nearly identical. If you know Java you can easily write C#. This is true the other direction too except for Java 5's new constructs.
Scripting languages are typically limited in how they seem to be initially designed. They are designed for a specific relatively simple task. They do this very well and so catch on like wild fire, but then they are put to uses which they don't fit and so they get extended, but they are intrinsically lacking.
Also scripting languages never seem to have very sophisticated tools. I love the tools for Java and C#. I'm not sure why but scripting languages never seem to have very good tools compared to languages such as Java and C#. Until this changes they will never be major players......though admittedly a lot is written using LAMP.
The problem you face is that just about all the best developers are either busy or very busy right now....except maybe those crack Fortran guys from the first post =)
The only pre-existing teams are part of firms as far as I know. But you could write your terms into the contract and interview of forming such a team inside an amicable firm.
If you want to 'customize' your team I'd suggest hiring the best tech lead you can...a contractor if you want to keep it external...and let that person build the rest of the team for you.
Also since you don't really know what you're going to be getting you should keep small tight product iterations coming.
For a few years I've wondered if you could use entanglement to communicate back in time.
Anyone familiar with "realistic" time travel predictions knows if you have a worm hole and spin move one end around really fast then each end will be in a different 'time frame'. Entering one end will bring you out in a different time.
By the same thinking I wonder could you take a pair of entangled particles and move one around really fast......then spinning one should cause the other to respond, but in a different time.
Anyone who has implemented backup strategies knows that if its not automated it will be out of date. Sure you could take some static data, but you could print that out on paper (encrypted if need be).
One EMP is going to take out a million nerds' data sticks in a flash while grandma with her ancient address book will be intact.
The fears you highlight are not uncommon, but they are unfounded. Companies from India are not developing very good software. There is a reason outsourcing has not taken over as predicted. And the cultural and distance barriers are make it very unlikely management's 'vision' for a project are translated correctly.
The market is very ripe in my opinion for US developers. The only thing the offshoring option has done is hold wages down a bit for the last three years, but prices in India are going up too.
Well seeing as IntelliJ had to create a plug-in to bring Visual Studio up to IDEA's level........I'd say Visual Studio actually sucks. Have you even used that P.O.S. After using IDEA it makes me wretch.
Well you could be right. But about the technology I do want to point out that Sun is finally getting its act together. You can now set up your applet to automatically download the Java-PlugIn and it only requires one click from the user. Not perfect, but getting closer to universal and automatic insurance of the latest Java technology everywhere. See this: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/plugin/d eveloper_guide/using_tags.html#in-ie
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www.fastmail.fm is a pretty good IMAP service I've been using for a few years. I have free accounts and one I pay for.
"With the advent of the language total annihilation is on the horizon for Java and all its developers. This new language/platform/stack is so revolutionary that developers are passing out from Ruby/LAMP/Python induced hyperventilation. Its virtually certain no one will write more than three lines of Java the day after Tuesday ever again."
;)??
Its getting seriously funny how many articles there are like this. Slashdot posted this nearly identical article about LAMP a week ago.
Why is it always language XXXX compared to Java rather than C++, C#, ASP, or even LAMP? I guess it means that for now Java is the king of the hill?
So which is superior...LAMP or Ruby (on or off the Rails
I actually do enjoy these discussions because there are always more efficient ways to accomplish specific goals. Java can take a bit to get started with, but once there it is unparalled in being the Swiss Army knife of software development.
Without the competitive efforts of the Ruby community and M$ for instance Java probably would get stagnant so I applaud you Mr. Ruby Developer (Rails or otherwise).
Just give me a call when people start converting complex Java apps to Ruby because its easier to extend and enhance.
I was not aware Java is a non-starter. I use it every day to develop web applications. So thanks for informing me.
I do think Java is harder than it should be to start up a complex Java web application, but other than that Java makes me feel darn near omnipotent. With tools/APIs like Hibernate, Spring, IDEA (or Eclipse), the JUnit family, ANT/Maven there's nothing I can't write which isn't highly maintainable and extensible.
I've had to convert lots of Perl code to Java when sites grew too large and complex to be maintainable. Will the same thing be true of Ruby?
The main problem I see with Java is that so many creative people use it that its running in a dozen different directions all the time. I can't even count all the web MVC frameworks on my toes.
I do need to check out all the buzz about Ruby though.
Can anyone succinctly say why Ruby is easier than Java without just bashing Java? I would like to understand.
Another sensational statement grabs hold.
Its actually an important question, but how is it people who haven't actually used the technologies can get away with publishing something like this. I could just as well say " a new study finds that all movies today are categorically worse than those made in the past "....this statement would be equally meaningless.
First of all if you compare the Java and C# feature sets (as I have done a few times) they are nearly identical. If you know Java you can easily write C#. This is true the other direction too except for Java 5's new constructs.
Scripting languages are typically limited in how they seem to be initially designed. They are designed for a specific relatively simple task. They do this very well and so catch on like wild fire, but then they are put to uses which they don't fit and so they get extended, but they are intrinsically lacking.
Also scripting languages never seem to have very sophisticated tools. I love the tools for Java and C#. I'm not sure why but scripting languages never seem to have very good tools compared to languages such as Java and C#. Until this changes they will never be major players......though admittedly a lot is written using LAMP.
The problem you face is that just about all the best developers are either busy or very busy right now. ...except maybe those crack Fortran guys from the first post =)
The only pre-existing teams are part of firms as far as I know. But you could write your terms into the contract and interview of forming such a team inside an amicable firm.
If you want to 'customize' your team I'd suggest hiring the best tech lead you can...a contractor if you want to keep it external...and let that person build the rest of the team for you.
Also since you don't really know what you're going to be getting you should keep small tight product iterations coming.
For a few years I've wondered if you could use entanglement to communicate back in time.
Anyone familiar with "realistic" time travel predictions knows if you have a worm hole and spin move one end around really fast then each end will be in a different 'time frame'. Entering one end will bring you out in a different time.
By the same thinking I wonder could you take a pair of entangled particles and move one around really fast......then spinning one should cause the other to respond, but in a different time.
Anyone know why this wouldn't work?
This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me.
Anyone who has implemented backup strategies knows that if its not automated it will be out of date. Sure you could take some static data, but you could print that out on paper (encrypted if need be).
One EMP is going to take out a million nerds' data sticks in a flash while grandma with her ancient address book will be intact.
The fears you highlight are not uncommon, but they are unfounded. Companies from India are not developing very good software. There is a reason outsourcing has not taken over as predicted. And the cultural and distance barriers are make it very unlikely management's 'vision' for a project are translated correctly.
The market is very ripe in my opinion for US developers. The only thing the offshoring option has done is hold wages down a bit for the last three years, but prices in India are going up too.
Well seeing as IntelliJ had to create a plug-in to bring Visual Studio up to IDEA's level........I'd say Visual Studio actually sucks. Have you even used that P.O.S. After using IDEA it makes me wretch.
Well you could be right. But about the technology I do want to point out that Sun is finally getting its act together. You can now set up your applet to automatically download the Java-PlugIn and it only requires one click from the user. Not perfect, but getting closer to universal and automatic insurance of the latest Java technology everywhere. See this: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/plugin/d eveloper_guide/using_tags.html#in-ie
Object Store or PSEPro was a big pain in the neck for me too. But just because Object Store was lame isn't a reason to discount the whole concept.
My biggest two problems with these types of systems are 1) the ability to see the data in readable format and 2) schema evolution
But mapping to an RDBMS is sooo painful that I'm willing to do about anything to find a better way.
Anyone find a holy grail open source Object to Relational mapping tool yet?