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Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives
Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."
A calendar built in??
Is this also included in the Linux version ?
Wouldn't make much sense, as most distros have a decent software update mechanism...
Are there packages for (K)Ubuntu available for it somewhere?
And while we are at it, are there [semi-]official Firefox 1.5 packages Ubuntu?
ie the one the replying to the email from is located?
Actually, I stopped using Thunderbird when I lost all my email in my last Windows backup/restore. Now I just use my Gmail from Firefox account. Does it have anything cool in it that means there's actually a point in using an email client any more, or do I just stick with my browser?
On autosave when there are embedded images in html mail?
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On the PCs I use, Thunderbird is my only choice for email, but on the Mac I'm still married to Mail.app. Don't make me choose!
This sig, aah-ah, is comin' like a ghost-sig...
There was one thing that Outlook 2003 got right and that was the tiling of the folder, inbox and message panes vertically. Has this got it? Or does this need an extension?
May the Maths Be with you!
That's a tasty feature. Why isn't there a "Spread Thunderbird" website? mmm... Spread...
I downloaded the RC a few weeks ago, and I have to admit that it's great. If 1.5 final is any better, then it'll definately be worth downloading. Now if only they'd get Sunbird completed...
Real men use mutt.
I hope they've fixed some of the more glaring bugs, such as when an email has lots and lots of attachments that fill up the window, making it next to impossible to read the content of the email (the attachment bucket at the bottom just grows and grows, with no way to shrink it.)
I also notice that when having "Full Headers" viewable, it's impossible to read the content of the email.
It'd be nice if they were aware of each other.
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Several versions ago, I tried to import all of my mail from Outlook (8 years worth, not ready to abandon my mail archive yet), and Thunderbird did a horrible job of it, preventing me from switching mail platforms.
I'll give it another shot with this version, as I would love to be able to get away from Outlook once and for all.
That's a 1.5-1.07 => .43/1.07 => .401*100 => 40.1% upgrade!
I asked around version 0.8 ... but I still have to rely on third party plugins for multiple SMTP.
When are they going to take SMTP out of the account, and associate with the connection ?
Grrr arrggh...
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
I've found Gmail's threading to be much more superior over Thunderbird's (despite Gmail's simplicity in threading, or perhaps because of it). Has thunderbird improved in this regard?
Well, not at the moment anyway. Shows, you can have a /. proof site if you *really* want it.
Got thunderbird 1.5, just deployed it to all our SunRay users, it looks oright.
Why not use IMAP? IMO, it's the best of both worlds: Messages are stored on the server, so you can still get them (from anywhere) if your client stops working, and you get all of the nice features of Thunderbird.
Wow, mozilla-thunderbird-1.5 is already in Portage. The binary isn't yet, though.
If you like an integrated suite, be sure to give SeaMonkey a try. It's got pretty much the same features as Thunderbird 1.5, but also includes a browser and more.
My server
What can be combined with thunderbird that will be good enough to finally migrate from outlook exchange?
The best test environment is production. - Me
chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
I have a lot of knowledge stored in my email folders. It's nice to be able to find and read stuff even when I'm not connected.
That, by the way, is my largest gripe with net-based applications: I can't use them when on the local train, or on the bus, or when there is a network problem.
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Does it have multiple and *independent* SMTP support or I am still stuck on Kmail.
They called me mad, and I called them mad, and damn them, they outvoted me. -Nathaniel Lee
Can you filter cross posts in usenet? I ask because the functionality is there in mozilla, it just hasn't been exposed in the UI.
Mozilla also has a bug that if you filter on one author it takes out the entire thread instead of just that author and replies to him/her.
Does Thunderbird go beyond that bug?
I remember when I used to use thunderbird, I would always send email from teh wrong smtp server. Did they find a way to better organize them and possible, send mail from the same domain as it was recieved?
Bryan
Can anyone say "feature creep"?
Absurdity: A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. -- Ambrose Bierce
How are you supposed to put in the SMTP server that you want?
I guess I'm stuck with web mail and OLK. Sad but true.
Until I can print an address book with more than 3-4 contacts per page with something else that OLK, I'm stuck.
Obama's legacy: (N)othing (S)ecure (A)nywhere and (T)error (S)imulation (A)dministration
...the Calendar XPI add-on that I used with 1.06 doesn't work with the new version. Bummer. This seems to be a problem with all Firefox/Thunderbird updates -- add-ons never seem to work with new versions. Or rather, they're blocked automatically even if they would work without an update.
If IMAP isn't available for your email: Thunderbird allows you to "leave the (POP) messages on the server", "don't delete (from server) until moved from inbox", and "fetch headers only" from server.
I use "leave messages on server" and "Don't Delete" functions for portability as well as being able to access the same mailbox(es) from multiple computers(ie. pulling my personal mail to my work computer and leaving it available for home computer, or pulling my gmail account email to the email client and keeping it available on webmail too).
I also backup my %root%/Documents and Settings/%username%/Application Data/Thunderbird folder to keep my email settings the same as they were pre-reformat if I'm doing a backup before I reinstall windows every ~3 months or so. You can do the same with Firefox, but I have run into some problems if I saved said profile folder from one version and tried to port it into a new version. The easy fix is to make sure you keep the installer from the last version of software, replace the profile folder, and upgrade with the newest installer.
I had college once, but I drank some fluids and got a lot of rest and eventually it was cured.
the option to use pure text? That is, no HTML what so ever. Not in the text, not when qouting, not ever? I've read a million howtos about this (for previous versions, on Win and Linux), but haven't been able to totally disable HTML - afaik it's not possible. Somebody please correct me.
What can be combined with thunderbird that will be good enough to finally migrate from outlook exchange?
Thunderbird seems mature enough now.
The best test environment is production. - Me
chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
Click on the "Properties", Click on the "Outgoing Server", Click on "Add". There you can add the SMTP server you want.
Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. Go into that account's main Account Settings page and you'll see a dropdown listbox that will have the SMTP server you just added.
It's working a bit different from 1.0.7.
If you had 1.5rc2 installed: Scott MacGregor wrote that the 1.5 release has no changes since rc2. So you won't need to update unless you really want that build date (like me)
No need to download if you have 1.5 RC2 installed already, there have been no changes.
I tried an earlier version on my freenix box, and in most respects Thunderbird was pretty nice. However, when typing messages there was a noticable lag from key press to letter on screen (on 500 Mhz machine with a 16MB video card -- not fast, but should be adequate). Sometimes, I think developers working and testing on zillion-gHz computers, tends to mask performance issues that IMHO are probably bugs...
I get what you're saying now. Sorry.
Why on earth does an e-mail client need podcasting?
Of all the useless features... That dev time could've been used to do something useful, like getting the calendaring addon/app working well instead of just functioning.
Color me unimpressed. The Mozilla Foundation needs to stop playing buzzword bingo before they go overboard.
"account settings"
Again - SMTP settings are not ACCOUNT related, they are CONNECTION related.
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
Thunderbird is ok. Really ok. It multi-plattform, uses mbox, has some cool automation/filtering and is relatively easy to set up and recover on all plattforms.
Yet it still looks like a software that's aping last decades Outlook/Netscape Mail crappyness.
What I whish for is this:
Three-Divided is the 5uXX0rz!!1!1!!11ONE!
Default non-three-divided screen. Three-devided is pointless. It sucks. It really does. Nobody really needs it and it definitely is bad as a default setting. If at all it should be optional. This is one thing that elitistware called Mutt actually really does right. I'd like Thunderbird with tabbed fullscreen folder, mails, read and edit views. With easy switching up and down the herachy with Ctrl.-Arrow or something. It can't be that hard, no?
Encryption. All variants. Out of the box.
Zero-hassle, zero compile this, semi-maybe-works-if-your-lucky pseudo wannabe plugin encryption. As in: Start Mailer, Klick "Encryption", Klick "Make Key" and get rolling. It can't that hard, or? KMail and Thunderbird have be practically lying about this to the community for years. Both say they support encrytion. Fact is, they don't. Enigmail is compiling agains a moving target and rarely hits - i couldn't get it to run once - and KMail encryption, despite their bold marketing claims on the projects website, is Vaporware. Pure and utter.
(Note to KMail: If I have to compile at least 2 different frameworks, including downloading some rare, bizar Aegypten library kit and, on top of that, fiddle with some arcane pseudo-plugin architecture in order to get a "KMail Encryption Plugin" running, then KMail does not offer a Plugin. A plugin is just that: You Plug it in and it just works. Bottom line: Please quit lying to your users. It pisses them off. qed)
If only a mailer would offer these features, one could actually presume that E-Mail clients have arived in the 21st century. Until then all mailers suck. One way or the other.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I just downloaded and installed it. I need it to read/extract content of orders from customers - they come to a different mailbox I don't have access to, and I get them as .eml files. .eml files okay. But if I want to start it by doubleclicking an .eml file, it shows "d is not a registered protocol". Huh?
Starts ok. Loads
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Maybe the anti-phishing protection will actually mean I'll see less spam in my inbox. I use Thunderbird on Mandriva 2006 and have a terrible time with spam. The filters are supposed to be "adaptive", but there have been many cases where I keep "training" the filter of similar spam messages. Also it seems to only catch 50%-60% of the spam...
Don't get me wrong. Thunderbird is a great program (otherwise I'd be using something else). I just wish it was a little better on the spam control...
I suppose one alternative I could take would be to set up a spam filter on a seperate box. Note that "Integration with server side spam filtering." is a new feature!
Is there anyone using Thunderbird that can share the general performance with large inboxes (+10k e-mails) ?
I stopped using Outlook a couple of years ago, not just because it had a tendency to run programs sent to me automatically, but also because it was slowing down considerably when the inbox grew over a certain threshold, at least for me.
http://www.intellipool.se/ - Intellipool Network Monitor
Try replying to a large email (100K+) -- Thunderbird will choke and your CPU usage will go through the roof, as Thunderbird inexplicably tries to spellcheck words you've not written in the previous email history. I've had Thunderbird choke for over 10 minutes on certain emails before I finally had to kill the process.
Hoping they fixed this one for 1.5-final.
Since this release equals RC2 I think some of you might encounter this problem I had (and the solution took a while to find). On Linux (SuSE 9.2, in my case), using the archive, the first time I started the shell-script "thunderbird", an error occured and the whole thing crashed. The error message includes the line "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" (Gurus might know what this means, I didn't.). The solution is to open a shell and navigate to you thunderbird directory, execute "xhost +", then "./thunderbird", close the thing again, and "xhost -". From now on the script should work as expected. (Apparently that is a multiuser config thingy of X...
What you really want is Lightning. Unfortunately, they appear to have missed their December 2005 target release date for v0.1
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
What about compatibility with my existing Outlook .pst files. I have just about every email saved from ~1999 in my main .pst. It is pretty large these days. Now, I understand that Thunderbird does provide import tools, but I'm always afraid of something getting lost in the translation. Not to mention, it might take a while to import from a 1GB .pst file. It would be a heck of a lot easier if Thunderbird could just connect directly to my .pst file, but I don't see any mention of the concern in the Thunderbird FAQ.
Lastly, I see several comments asking about interoperability with Sunbird, and I concur. When the heck is it going to happen? I do use my Outlook calendar, and until I have an application that can completely replace Outlook, I don't really see the need to switch.
That said, Firefox is the bomb. I've yet to install 1.5, but I've been using Deer Park on my laptop for a while so I'm interested to see how FireFox 1.5 performs.
If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.
it's options > format > plain-text
That should do it.
it'd really be nice if people would update thier thunderbird extensions. and furthermore, it'd be awesome if the extentiond for thunderbird had a differant file extension so that i didn't have to "save as..." when ever i want to download and install a thunderbird extension.
I'm not convinced. How exactly is Mozilla Thunderbird any better than KMail, which I am currently using?
Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
"As long as you set them up properly you can use as many as you want."
There in lies the problem, TB doesn't allow me to set them up properly.
Why - because it doesn't have any way of telling TB when to use which SMTP server.
That's what I've been asking for.
PS: I have all my smtp servers in that list, however TB doesn't know when to use them.
EMail: 0110001101100010010000000110001101110010 0110000101111010011011100110000101110010 0010111001100011011011110110
Great, now if only they could actually put some work into improving the Mozilla Address Book...
João Pinheiro
Just downloaded Thunderbird 1.5
Every rss feed i try to add is deemed invalid????
is good Bayesian filtering of spam.
I really miss the SpamBayes plugin that I used in Outlook. And the standalone server option doesn't work nearly as well for me.
Most people don't need this, but I want this, also: the ability to hit a button and send all selected messages, as individual inline messages and not one attachment, to an address or two I have previously specified. Why? Because I want to send all the spam I select to uce@ftc.gov and to Spamcop.
- A reasonable (1GB+) amount of disk space.
- IMAP and webmail access.
I've seen various combinations (particularly a large amount of disk space with POP), but never a really good IMAP service. If someone knows of one please let me know!Do you think that's a good idea?
The windows installer doesn't put a shortcut on the desktop.
The "Professional" versions of Netscape Communicator contain a calendar. Not that I ever use the Calendar feature, but I still use it for mail.
tried to go to mac thunderbird forum to talk about rss failure - and links on Thiunderbird web site don't work!!!
I guess I just cheat, by running my own IMAP server ;-)
Still, it's great to have, especially after my school's CompSci department's IMAP server got me hooked.
I really like what I can do with Cyrus IMAP, though, especially with the sieve server-side filtering. Really nice to have my mail-filter rules independent of my mail client too.
I just upgraded my Thunderbird client (Windows 2K), and now it won't start. I double-click on the icon and nothing happens. If I look at the process list, I see thunderbird.exe show up for a second and then disappear.
Any ideas?
Life is like a web application. Sometime you need cookies just to get by.
When there's a network problem you can't send email anyway... :)
Gmail has pop3 access so there's nothing to stop you synching up a laptop and your gmail account.
Well, except I wouldn't know how to do it other than by handling refreshes manually - perhaps that's something you could do with Thunderbird? I experimented with POP3ing into gmail from thunderbird but it was a little clumsy.
Maybe Mozilla should look into offering some sort of all in one solution, like web browsing, email and a calendar function in an all together coordinated release? Maybe that would work, keep those apps most folks use all the time anyway in sync with each other and be one good quality app people could use for those common functions. I think it's a good idea,I wish they would try it, seems like a potentially great solution;)
So we'll have TBird, Firefox, and a Calendar all running off 3 instances of the same runtime engine - hey, that's SMART!
why not have the runtime engine built into all three products but only install if it isn't already present? Ya know, save memory and work on improving 1 engine instead of 3. Oh yeah, that's too smart and already exists as Mozilla (which was canned)...err...SeaMonkey.
This is being brought to you by the same category of boffins that duped you into believing that tearing apart the StarOffice Suite would IMPROVE system response when, in fact, it has slowed things down about tenfold while using up MORE memory.
I don't doubt that they are good products on their own but how about using a runtime engine that is already present instead of loading a new one each time - PAY ATTENTION SUN AND OO.ORG.
The regression of these 2 areas (i.e. Mozilla and openoffice) is so sad and considering that they are the 2 most used packages says something about the leaders of these software packages.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
1) Why Sun dumped the integrated package and didn't make it opensource while opensourcing the split apps.
2) Why the promise of increased speed hasn't been fulfilled?
3) Why things would get 10x worse, in terms of speed, with OO?
4) Why the FF and TB creaters aren't working on a common GRE? How many people DON'T use both at the same time?! I love the packages but after seeing the memory useage when using both and comparing to Mozilla, I quickly went back to the Mozilla Suite.
Enough ranting for the day
Fastmail, http://www.fastmail.fm/, has always been a popular IMAP service and includes POP and webmail access as well. You can get 2 GB of storage for around $40.00/year which is $3.33/month. Not to bad. I'm personally not a subscriber but I consider it every now and then.
Too bad they haven't fixed the really annoying blocking bugs, such as not saving drafts on IMAP...
I know of one: Tuffmail http://www.tuffmail.com/. Reasonable price, outstanding support.
1. A Pocket PC version that syncs with Thunderbird.
2. A calender function.
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Their largest account comes with 2GB's of space, IMAP/POP, Spam Assasin, Sieve, 250MB of file space and tonnes more other things. All for only 40bucks a year. They have other plans, so you can pick and choose what you need.
You have a laptop and use different ISPs depending on where you are. Currently, you have to manually select the SMTP server every time to get the one that accepts mail from the ISP you're connected to at the moment. You'd like to set up rules for which SMTP server your mail client uses based on what connection you are using at the moment.
Correct?
Actually, I liked Thunderbird for a long time. What turned me off, is a poor plain-text editor. Users who choose to write plain text e-mails, deal with badly wrapped/unwrapped lines only. Evolution (with all its overbloat) yet does it well for me.
Low performance on large folders was another issue. I guess TB is getting better with respect to performance, but I do not see anything about editor in the release notes.
When I saw this I hoped that this might include sieve support like Kmail has started to implement. Oh well, perhaps later then.
Thunderbird has S/MIME support built in, no plugins needed. So does Apple Mail, so you can communicate with Mac users.
t ificate
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_an_SMIME_cer
I use it. It works. Mailing lists tend to fsck up signatures, though.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Disclaimer: I know it's open-source and free.
Seems that 1.5 is 1.5RC2, which I've been using since it came out. So basically, they haven't fixed the tens of obvious and terrible IMAP bugs (like accounts failing to auto-check mail on startup; messages ending up permanently corrupt if you lose the connection while downloading them; etc ). Been waiting for 1.5 until I drop out of TB for IMAP. Anyone know of any *good* IMAP mail clients for Win32?
yes, I did, see the smiley there in my post? heh. Seamonkey is the original idea for what mozilla used to offer, and it's still the best idea, an integrated solution. When the official moz emphasis switched to stand alone apps, I distinctly remember people bringing up the "uncoordinated versions" potential problem, and they were told it was a minimal problem. Now we can see it is a problem, and it will continue to be a problem, especially with all the extensions and plug ins and trying to get them to work across different applications since the "great breakup".
Anyway, yes, I use seamonkey and encourage others to do so as well. I want one app that works for the most common web surfing uses. Choice is good here.
No, apparently it's not. CSS patches have been tried, and for some reason it doesn't work right for the attachment pane. See the following bugs for details (copy link to a new tab, slashdot referrer is blocked):
If you can find a css tweak that works, please submit a patch.
...that I'm definitely not going to upgrade. Seriously, Firefox 1.5 crashes on me constantly. I'd use Opera but I really, really dig adblock. So I just deal with the 100 crashes a day Firefox gives me. But there's no way I'm going to tolerate that in my email app.
Why does Thunderbird use the splendiferous Qute icon set and Firefox using some rather less attractive set? Firefox used Qute up until 0.9 if IIRC.
If Chaos Theory has taught us anything, it's that we must kill all the butterflies.
"Hi, it looks like you misspelled Portugese!"
Many email clients will queue messages sent offline and send them once you are reconnected. This is useful if you have a large batch of unread mail to read and respond to while offline. Even (gasp) MS Outlook handles it pretty well.
I've suggested to Google that they implement IMAP access to gmail. It wouldn't be too hard to make each label an IMAP folder. The only complication is that it would waste a space on your local computer if you cross-label many messages and download (cache) messages to the local machine. The IMAP client wouldn't be aware of the identical messages.
I believe this is indeed the replacement name for what used to be known as "GRE" (Gecko Runtime Environment) and can be used for *any* XUL-based application, not just stuff coming out of the Moz development team. What's not clear to me yet is exactly when this will be complete enough to be used by Firefox etc. - maybe for 2.0, maybe not.
That's all great and stuff, but what about newsgroups?
Thunderbird has yet to support:
1) Combining multi-part newsgroup attachments.
2) yEnc support.
Forget about RSS and all that jazz. Let Firefox handle RSS. Thunderbird users want some USENET supporting features.
The Rapture is NOT an exit strategy.
OK so silly me, feeling lucky today; thought Id install this over my old install since the version I was using (1.0.7) would open up and take 5 minutes to count the 150,000 unread messages that it *thinks * are in my inbox!
Doh, of course now email doesnt work. No errors messages, no message boxes, NOTHING!
Between this and FireFox 1.5 not displaying Flash, hogging massive amounts of memory, rendering some large pages a LOT more slowly than 1.0.x; crashing etc. etc; The Moz/FF have left me a lot less impressed than I once was...
www.fastmail.fm is a pretty good IMAP service I've been using for a few years. I have free accounts and one I pay for.
There is a Portuguese company that has exactly what you want. They were once giving away free acounts, but were overwhelmed with the number of users, so switched to pay-only.
They have 10GB, imap, etc, for like 1 euro/month or something.
www.zmail.pt
Uninstall your old versions of Thunderbird before running the installer for 1.5. I and a few other have had trouble when we let the installer for 1.5 just overwrite the older version. Backup your profiles, uninstall old version, install 1.5, and you should be good to go.
I'm an avid user of Thunderbird, but unfortunately v1.5 still doesn't fix my pet peeve with the app: the enormo-attachment-list-you-can't-hide.
Mailing list digests have the separate messages included as attachments, and on my 1024x768 screen resolution the attachment list, which Thunderbird finds obligatory to show, takes up a huge area.
Dammit, how difficult can it be to put a little clickable arrow there so that I could minimize the attachment list??? Or have I missed an option somewhere?
I used to have a similar problem. You get phantom unread messages reported, even in empty folders, and sometimes the count goes up when you click on the folder, right? If that's the case, then it could be the same corrupt data file problem I had.
The solution was (with Thunderbird not running) to copy the folder data in your profile safely elsewhere just in case, and then delete the index file for the offending folder. When you restart Thunderbird, it detects the missing index file and rebuilds it, correctly this time. Bingo, no more phantom unread messages and related irritations.
Apparently the corruption happens if you don't compact your folders regularly and they get too big. Don't ask me why a serious e-mail client requires this level of user intervention to perform routine maintenance on its data files that can cause serious errors if forgotten, because I have no idea. :-)
If you need the details of which files are which, it's worth Googling for the symptoms of the problem; there are a couple of sites with quite detailed analyses that had appeared fairly recently when I had to fix this a few weeks ago.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
at least not until you try running anything other than firefox + thunderbird.
... BEGIN!
Let the thrashing
Looking through the options, I cannot find why my messages are not being automatically filtered. I like to have all my downloaded messages go into one folder, allow me to read through, and then I'll manually run the filtering, but I have so many folders, it ia hard to keep track of exactly how many might be new. Could anyone tell me how to disable this new feature?
Cave, wreck, and deep diver.
different RSS readers for different RSS feeds.
I don't want The Washington Post headlines in my "inbox" -- that's for my portal/home page.
I don't want personal blog entries from my friends in my "inbox" as I get too much email as it is. Those are aggregated into a single page via LiveJournal's syndication support, mixed in with my friends already on LJ so I don't have to pull in their RSS feeds.
I don't want the "table of contents" feed from IBM Developerworks in an "inbox" - that's a place where LiveBookmarks works best.
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Occasionally-updating blog entries like political columns and science news (and anti-ID stories/rants) are what generally gets the Thunderbird treatment (although I also get those in my livejournal friends listing).
Each feed has a different purpose, so each goes in the specific place where its most usable.
"But remember, most lynch mobs aren't this nice." (H.Simpson)
-- Joe
And even though endless customers have complained about the signature separator, the Dev Team still refuses to make it default but optional. A simple check box would suffice. Can't be found in the manual config, as far as I can tell, either. There have been dozens of "bug reports" filed. People just get referred to Dan's Mail format site. AKA, "We will tell you how to format your letters, thank you." Sounds a lot like Microsoft. To see how it looks in Thunderbird, look at the bottom at the separator for my signature. It kills the "letter" look.
I've been using Mozilla Mail for a long time, and will probably eventually switch to Thunderbird if the feature gap grows too large. Fortunately, I do not use a signature. If I did, according to the Thunderbird team, I should switch to a different mail client. Actually, according to them, I should just conform to a formatting convention specified for Newsgroups in my email communications. God forbid I sign off like so:
Sincerely,
Vidar
Instead, they think it should be painfully obvious that I did not do the work of typing that myself. How lovely. I, for one, welcome our new Open Source overlords.
The brains of a chicken, coupled with the claws of two eagles, may well hatch the eggs of our destruction.
I'd settle for Thunderbird at least being able to read Internet calendar and address card data. I mean, RFC2426 has been around since 1998, and isn't being able to read someone's e-mail address info a fairly basic requirement for an e-mail program?
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
Just run your own. C'mon it's not that hard. I run a Cyrus Imap box on an old PIII 500Mhz, add to that Horde as a webmail client for when I don't have my thunderbird box or I'm behind a firewall and I'm set. OK, it costs me $5.00/month for the static IP which makes it more usable.
For 1.0.7 on Linux:
Edit->Account Settings->Composition & Addressing & de-check "compose messages in HTML format"
I think it is the same on win32, but don't have a box near me to check.
Thunderbird 2... then I'll be able to turn up with Thunderbird 4, the Mole, or Firefly. The slow speed, backwards wings and Ford Cortina steering wheel are only minor drawbacks.
I use Dreamhost. For $8/mo you get 20 GB disk, which your mailbox comes out of. So if you don't use any web space, you get 20GB of mail. Additionally, they have a gmail-esque thing where they add 160MB/week (I started with 2GB one year ago). So far their service has been fantastic.
Anyone know of any extension that will display the connection details? Like the created of the connection, status of the connection, and closing of the connection similar to Eudora's Task Status, Errors Window. The little status bar is not enough for me.
There is an extension for external editors. Furthermore, Thunderbird supports format=flowed text & wrapping seems fine to me for messages which were intended to be wrapped.
I haven't had a chance to check it out, but last time I checked the bug it wasn't going to be fixed for 1.5. Basically there was only a 'Sent Date' (sending computers time) column available to sort on instead of a 'Received Date' (time received by your SMTP server). Maybe it got fixed, sure hope so.
The developers insist on throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Either that or focused on the wrong things.
.TXT, whatever!)
Right out of the gate, they don't provide an INSTALL file. They have a README.txt file that sends you to a URL, that immediately redirects you to another URL, where you are *still* several clicks from finding the installation instructions. I could *maybe* see this if the instructions were complex and likely to change. But they're so freaking easy it's ridiculous to not just include the text in a README or INSTALL file. (or
No. They have to drive you to their site. Why? One can only guess. Because in the politically correct world of modern open source that's the Right Thing To Do? Because they want to show off their site? I don't know. I just think it's brain-dead.
Nevermind that key features are stll missing from the client that other mail apps have had forever.
Netscape helped change the world. Firefox has, to some extent, continnued that contribution. Can anyone make a compelling case to use Thunderbird, much less show that it really changes the world?
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1.5, huh? I guess 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 were test versions. It seems to me that up until now free software generally didn't see any need for playing this sort of release number game.
Firefox 1.5 is indistinguishable from 1.0.7, except by the different orientation of the tabs on the preferences dialog.
Does Mozilla think they're going to increase "sales" this way? The update notifier doesn't tell me about 1.5; that might have been a smarter thing to worry about than fudging with the version number.
Most people don't even think inside the box.
Get a domain name, pay for a web host (1GB+ disk for ~$7/month, generally). Plus you get a web server, database, and any number of other features for less than ten bucks per month.
Most web hosts support pop and imap, for the portability-oriented folks.
If you need that kind of service, pay a little for it and support your fellow techies. Believe me, it won't break the bank, and you'll get more services for the money.
The Sunbird/Calendar development team keeps a development weblog. Last updated 5 days ago. Oracle also has (as of May 2005, anyway) three employees working on the Lightning project.
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So i guess when CNN does a report on something that NBC has already done, they are duping it? Why are you here if you like digg so much?
The same way google efficiently gives you a web page which displays only a few of thousands of hits. You think google loads up all those thousands of summaries for you, renders all those pages, and holds them all in memory for you while you go ahead and click on the first link anyway? It doesn't, for the same reason that email apps don't need to load all those thousands of messages in memory: generators. You start generating until you run out of space to display them, then you don't do anything with the rest. So if your inbox has space to show, say, 25 subject lines, then the app only needs to remember 25 messages.
(And don't give me any objections about the data backend slowing down. Those algorithms should be O(log(n)).)
FTR, I too think it's stupid to have that many messages in your inbox, but only because of the cognitive load, not the CPU load.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
I installed it under Win2K, and then sent an email to a friend letting him know 1.5 is out. Ironically, the inline spellchecker thinks both "Mozilla" and "Thunderbird" are misspelled.
I never had that problem with Word...
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The biggest reason not to use IMAP is if you have/get/want to keep a lot of e-mails, especially if you have a quota on your account that isn't huge. I have the choice of IMAP or POP on my account and I always use POP as there is a 20MB limit on messages. I will generally get 20MB in a few weeks, sometimes in a few days. And I always seem to have to look for a message that I got a few months ago and had to delete because my inbox was too full, so I use POP.
However, I "cheat" with how I keep my e-mails. I have the OS installed on one partition and my documents on another. So if the OS needs to go bye-bye, I just reformat its partition (not the whole disk) and reinstall it. My files are still there safe and sound.
Just "gittin-r-done," day after day.
Various sysadmins running servers on which I've needed email accounts have posited such "solutions". "Leave messages on server" with POP is NOT the same as IMAP. Using IMAP, if I receive 100 messages today on my laptop and delete 80, and then use my desktop tomorrow, having received 50 new messages in the interim, I'll only see the 20 "old" messages that are remaining and the 50 "new" messages, and only the latter set will be marked as "unread". Furthermore, if I replied to 10 of those and forwarded 2, I'll see those statuses marked on my desktop. With the POP kludge, I'll just get all 70 messages and all will be marked as "unread" because that's the first time that installation is seeing them. It's up to me to remember where I last left off and which messages to which I have already replied. This is assuming I remembered to really delete the 80 deleted items ("empty trash" or whatever) on the laptop the day before. If not, I'll get all 150 messages, all marked as unread. This is to say nothing of the fact that with the POP "solution" sent messages remain on the client, leaving me with no good way to review all messages I've previously sent.
I find the "leave messages on server" "solution" to be so irritating that I now just have messages on such servers forwarded to an account on my own IMAP server.
At my age I find coming up with a witty signature too exhausting.
It won't help you much, I suppose, but the IMAP server I'm on has an insignificant amount of space (~40 MB) but allows me to set delivery to an external account - so I set it to automatically deliver to gmail. That way I get effectively unlimited storage and a snazzy webmail interface. Granted I don't use thunderbird at all anymore, but if you really wanted to isn't there a pop server for gmail now?
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Is it anyway possible to read email from an exchange server configured to accept only MAPI from a thunderbird client?
2GB email with IMAP and webmail free at mail.aim.com . I've been using it since it came out, works great.
Google Desktop caches a lot of these things for you. It's the fastest way to find old web pages, email, files, or chat logs on any given topic, giving me a complete picture of the events surrounding something I was doing a few months back. Can't live without it now.
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The default reply position is at the bottom of the e-mail, not the top, which is pretty standard.
To change it to the top:
Account Settings > Composition & Addressing > "Automatically quote the original message when replying" > "Start my reply above the quote"
So we'll have TBird, Firefox, and a Calendar all running off 3 instances of the same runtime engine - hey, that's SMART!
Yes, it is, because it means that they all can use different versions of the runtime engine.
For the life of me, I can't figure out:
Well, keep thinking about it, maybe eventually you will figure it out. It makes sense to me: Firefox, Thunderbird, and OOo get the job done with a memory footprint, speed, and release dates that I can live with. That's what counts.
There was a patch submitted a couple of months back for a tabbed view of email messages. I understand that it was probably too close to when the RCs where being published, but what are the plans for this? Is there an extension or possibly a change it will be in a 1.6 version? It just sounds like it could really make the view pane usable for me. Since I am taking care of so many issues at once, I generally have all sorts of email reply windows open. This would make things less cluttered.
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I also had the problems of "loosing" POP messages when they are downloaded on different machines in my home network and of not having the sent items in a central location. I don't want to "leave them on the server" because my ISP will soon tell me my box is full and start bouncing inbound mail.
My solution was to set up fetchmail to download mail from the ISP-Pop server and deliver to procmail which delivers to an imap maildir in my home directory. Cron is set to check every 10 minutes for new messages. My imap server is courier-imap . The imap server reads whatever procmail dumps into the maildir. The configuration was a snap because I just took the default configurations(the box is inside my firewall and is not externally exposed - configuration may be more complex if you have to lock down the box for external access). Outbound I still send smtp directly from the mail client to the isp, but I have thunderbird configured to put a copy in the "sent" folder on the imap server.
I've had this configuration working a few weeks and so far it seems to work well. Now I can see my messages no matter which machine I happen to be on. Thunderbird seems to be easiest client to make this work with. I've had problems getting both Outlook/Outlook Express to put then sent items on the server, but have had not problems with Thunderbird. here is the link that I used to help me with the setup (It's for Arch Linux, I use CentOS, but the configs are the same). Just remember to turn of the email notifications in your crontab or it will spam you inbox.
I've upgraded a couple Windows machine from 1.0.7 to 1.5, and it seems the display changed a bit so the fonts look quite harsh - jaggy and so on, in the folder tree and message listings.
I wonder what changed, and if there's a way to change the font for things other than the message display.
For god's sake, please mod the parent up. I'd never read the release notes, but I read /. So I'm much more likely to read here that
I need to uninstall my old version before installing 1.5
and not f*ck up my installation.
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I almost replied with the same thing - use your webhost if you have one.
I keep my entire IMAP archive back to 2003 on the server and, even when combined with five large sites and two databases, it barely makes a dent in my quota (which is about the same as yours, since they didn't start multiplying or increasing disk space until sometime last year). I'm on that same $8/month plan.
They're definitely the best host I've ever done business with. Weird sense of humor, though (the last newsletter was written in "gangsta", the one before in haiku).
Hmm... looks like one of my pet peeves hasn't been addressed in 1.5: Thunderbird's handling of "Plain Text" sucks rocks. E.g. Start composing a new message, then select Options->Format->Plain Text Only.
Now copy some text from a non-plain text email or other source, then paste or paste-as-quotation into the new message window. Does it come out as plain text? NO. Even in plain text mode, you still have to use the (no-quick-key-binding) Edit->Paste Without Formatting. sheesh.
Similarly, edit a message in a non-plain-text form (e.g. with a proportional font selected), then switch the message to plain text -- all TB does it to hide the formatting toolbar... no actual format change takes place. WTF? Is TB lying about having switched to plain text formatting... or will the message silently be reformatted to plain text when sent? If the latter, what ever happened to WYSIWYG?
And yes, I've dug into bugzilla, found the relevant bugs, voted for them, etc.
By decoupling the browser and mail agent, they decrease the time to market for new development of either client, as well as for the core.
And while I suspect most Thunderbird users are also Firefox users, the opposite is far from the case.
It is a well understood problem incomputer science, coupling vs. sharing, which well known trade-offs.
Don't let project your own ignorance onto the developers.
Still can't sell Thunderbird to friends if I cannot install a french dictionary. The problem has been reported over a year ago. With such a feature missing, I cannot convince friends to jump the band wagon.
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P.S. I must admit, I have not tried to install the dictionary manually. Maybe this can be done. Still, I feel that the software should be able to do it by itself.
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I know this is not the most "techie" solution, but I just use Foldershare to sync my email folders on all of my machines so I can use thunderbird without worrying about what email went to which machine. They are always all up to date. I've been pretty happy with it and it's free (for now -- Microsoft bought them and waived the fee). The only thing it's missing is remote web access.
I wonder if it is possible to run the application from a USB drive like an iPOD so that I can use it between Mac at work and PC at home. I know that 'anything is possible' but is it easily run from a USB disk like I think OpenOffice has done recently?
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I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
CRITCAL/STOPPER... This is a stopper for adoption.
Personally, real bad.
You cannot drag and drop to the start of a line, nor can you paste at the start of a line.
Steps:
- copy something
- paste in a new line - works
- now go to start of line, paste, does not work.
Bugzilla bug:
318503 marked as dupe of 299343 WHICH DID NOT MAKE IT ONTO THE BRANCH.
not a crasher, but I'm still trying to figure out how this is only a major, and not a blocker.
Oh, and it supports IMAP4 clients fine, even MS Outlook. It's what I use for alternative email contact address in case my own servers are down. It's stable, mostly relaible, accessable, and offers lots of plus features. Indeed this weekend I'm going to see about moving my photo RSS stream to it.
I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
I still get some crashes, and it is invariably because of flash heavy or scripting heavy web pages. I *try* to surf with JS and Flash off, but some sites insist on it. Combine that with many tabs open and you get your problems. The devs seem to think this is still the olden days with one page/browser window open at a time or something, and their page is the only page people might be using. While just having one tab with some flash on it isn't bad, having a couple dozen adds up quickly, and it's easy to have a couple dozen tabs if you are a fast browser type. I know you can get various plugins to deal with this, I just think they shouldn't use it as much...well, because flash just sucks for most purposes.
I don't know what the various moz devs can do about it, to make the browser more stable and be able to deal with so much work being required from a lot of tabs open, but I sure wish web site devs would just layoff so much scripting, especially the Flash. there has to be some sort of middle ground compromise eventually. I know they are shooting themselves in the economic foot, flash based ads have forced millions to just start blocking ads in general, along with the thoroughly bogus JS called popups and popunders. I don't see it as being in any companies best interest to immediately annoy a potential customer. sort of like the music and movie biz with their various DRM schemes. The first rule of business, don't piss off the customer the second they walk in the door to your shop.
I've seen various combinations (particularly a large amount of disk space with POP), but never a really good IMAP service. If someone knows of one please let me know!
You can find a rather extensive listing of imap providers including cost, storage space, special services, bad implementations, user satisfaction etc. here:
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/imap/isps/
The site is really a mess since everything is contained in a single page and you have to scroll a few kilometers down to find the comparison tables. However, it lists several hundred IMAP providers and contains a lot of useful information.
Try http://www.suso.org./ Unlimited (within reason) disk space, your own domain name, IMAP & POP plus webmail. $15/month. I have over 2.5Gb of email up there now. No complaints.
Lies! Not only did it not "auto migrate", clicking import doesn't give any options for Mozilla 1.x or Netscape as sources.
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The version is dated 20051201, as in December 1, 2005...as in six weeks ago. I've been running this version for at least a month now. Did the status change from RCx to final release? What did I miss?
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Sucks that yours didn't work, but I thought I'd chime in to provide some balance.
I've been using Netscape/Mozilla/Firefox/Thunderbird for about 5 years now. On the email front, I've migrated across program versions, across different Windows machines (copying profile directories), from Windows to Linux and then from Moz integrated suite to Firefox/T-bird, and I haven't lost a single message. Same thing with browser/bookmark migrations.
I'm not disputing your experience, I'm just saying it doesn't (to me anyway) seem to be common.
I've been searching for the perfect mail solution both for myself and for the companies that I have worked for. I've done the self hosting with CyrusIMAP + Postfix + SpamAssassin + the kitchen sink. That's fine but it's often a pain to administer and keep up to date. I have been steering friends and small businesses toward Fusemail because it's solid, cheap and full of nice features:
350MB Shared Disk Space = 1.66/mo
1,250MB Shared Disk Space = $5.99/mo
3,000MB Shared Disk Space = $9.99/mo
The spam filtering is great and the web interface is better than most. I have several family members using accounts sharing my space. Some use my domain and others use their own. Some even "fused" (fetchmail) their other Comcast, Google and Pair accounts just because Fusemail can consolidate the whole deal.
I also just installed Citadel just to check it out. I have to say that it was the quickest and easiest install of a mail system that I ever did. It's essentailly make && make install && setup once for the server and once for the web system. It supports IMAP, POP and GroupDAV. It has mail and a calendar and chat features and other nice groupware related stuff. They claim it's stable and it scales. I can't say that I've used it much yet but IMAP and GroupDAV worked "out of the box".
Google Pack is the easiest way to download all that extra software I install whenever I've got a new machine. I guess the reason Thunderbird's not in there is because they want people using GMail. But, it's not like Thunderbird's a direct competitor, some people like me just like desktop clients.
Google, how much would putting Thunderbird in the Pack really hurt your corporate motives? Just put it in. Having Firefox without Thunderbird in there is just wierd.
Does it let me send return-receipts back to the requester without hanging? Bug 321139)
Sylpheed, on the other hand, has this feature working properly.
Just remember that going with an external provider means you get the level of service they offer, and nothing more.
With twin babies on the way, I migrated my own email off of a box I operated myself and onto a hosting provider -- the idea was that, with the newborns coming, my time would be better spent tending to them than tending to email problems. Four months later, there had been so many outages, issues and nonsense -- including the loss of webmail twice for many days in a row -- that I realized I'd spend less time managing my own again. So I migrated the email back during lunchbreaks at work, and now it's back to low maintenance for me.
Funny, I don't have this problem. Do you have thunderbird configured to recognize the server-side folders correctly? For instance, with my mail server I need to manually type "INBOX." in as the mail server prefix; if I don't, I get all sorts of strange behavior, such as folders that appear but can't be accessed.
AMEN. We use this kludge for our branch offices and it causes no end of problems (it's on the list of things to fix), especially when someone has 600MB worth of email and they decide to swap computers, taking them most of a day to download. We're replacing it with webmail as an interim solution until we can get a decent VPN set up.
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!That would be the number one reason for not using the integrated package is when the browser dies it will kill your email also (possibly at an undesirable time). Acrobat is a necessary evil and Mozilla (Firefox) should be written so it doesn't completely lock up when using Acrobat.
Would it be overkill for you to get a low-grade shared hosting plan that included email? If not, then you should take a look at DreamHost. Their cheapest plan is $8/mo and includes one domain name registration (1yr), 20GB of space, IMAP, webmail, and a bunch of other geek-friendly things that are pretty spiffy, but that might not be as relevant to your needs.
I do not work for DreamHost, but I have been a very happy customer of theirs for several years now. They've got stellar customer service and tech support, and they are constantly improving the feature set of their plans. For example, this month I got a notice that the disk space had been quadrupled and that all accounts now support custom DNS.
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AIM Mail's free 2GB IMAP... I signed up for one today, with limited success...
The bad news: No filtering / labeling
The good news: If you can filter enough with Gmail before it hits AIM Mail, it could work for you.
If you can stand the thought of using an AOL product, AIM Mail is fairly reasonable free service. IIRC you sign up with your AIM account name (and get aim_account@aim.com) and get 2GB of space with IMAP access. Being AOL there's always a downside -- in this case, webmail is flakey on Opera (haven't tried Firefox) -- but other than that it works supprisingly well. I've yet to get a single piece of spam in the 7 months I've had it, so either their spam filtering is well trained, or I just suck at recieving it (probably a combo of both given how little spam my other non-AIM accounts get).
Actually I'm using IMAP with their intermediate account: One-time fee of $15 for lifetime access, although bandwidth use must remain moderate.
Does any of this matter without an Exhcnage/MAPI connector?
Hours of things you can do to stop memory Memory Leaks in Firefox.
Firefox is the most crashy, CPU hogging, memory leaking software in common use on Windows.
Somehow Opera never has any of these problems. So, it is possible to have a well-behaved browser.
For me, at least, Thunderbird still ain't ready for stage work. No version of Thunderbird, including the last, has been able to successfully import my Outlook messagebase; it crashes in trying to do so, and I wind up with a partial import.
Call me picky or anal-retentive (because it's true), but I need to keep a complete history of my conversations and activities. If a new e-mail client can't allow me to carry that history forward, then it's largely useless to me. I'm retentive for good reason: my memory is utterly horrid and unreliable, so I hoard reminders of everything, whether I'm certain I'll need them or not. (I sure hope I can con my mother into writing my bio before she passes, because she's the ONLY one of the two of us that remembers it.)
Thunderbird needs more work in that department before I'll use it.
It flags some messages in my SENT folders as Junk Mail.
All of my remote Sent Items folders are display with "Sender" in the listing... not "Recipient". I have to move the messages to my local Sent folder to see who I sent those messages to. If I tell it to store sent mail to the server folder instead, then it displays properly... but my local Sent folder now displays Sender instead of Recipient.
Needless to say, searching for Sent messages on tbird is next-to-useless because the results often just show my name.
If I change the columns to display, it changes them for all the other mail folders. Showing both Sender and Recipient for all folders is rather crowded (and to be honest, just stupid).
In 1.5 on OS X, it pops-up a large context menu while I'm trying to resize column widths (they pop-up while I'm still dragging the left mouse-button).
I used to have two different bundles of older mail (one from Netscape, the other from Mozilla 6.x) that I intended to import. As of version 1.0, tbird on OS X would not import these even if I pointed to where the profile folder were. Mail.app found them and imported them with no problems.
Going back to tbird to try 1.5, it refused to import anything from Mail.app (even though they use the same format, mbox) until I manually renamed and dragged the individual mbox files directly into tbird's profile folder.
Mail.app subscribed to all the folders on my IMAP service as soon as I pointed it in that direction. But tbird only picked up the Inbox, and I had to reconfigure the account to use an "INBOX." prefix in addition to manually subscribing to Sent, Draft, etc.
This is one of those applications that gives me a strong emotional impression: Indifference to my needs.
It seems like such a small thing to be annoyed by, but versions under
1.5 of FF and TB generated 2 icons when using a minimize to tray app
(like trayit!, for instance).
Quite annoying to have 2 pairs of icons, and one works the other doesn't.
Even wierder is that under XP, sometimes the working icon is first and
sometimes it is second. WTF?
Now both just put up one icon.
As I recall from FF on OS X, I think it was a "hidden" debug window or
something. Sadly, it wasn't always hidden, if I remember.
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Apparently, it is fixed in 1.5 final - yay!