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Condensing Your Life on to a USB Flash Drive?

Fear the Clam asks: "My wife and I figure that if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen, so we've been putting together 'If public transportation bites it and we have two minutes to grab our stuff and start walking, never to return to NYC' getaway knapsacks. With luck they'll live in the closet forever. Coincidently, this morning the New York Times has an article about what to take when you have to leave home in a big hurry [DNA verification required], and they suggest making a list of all of things like Social Security and credit card numbers, scanning birth certificates, marriage license and tax returns, and saving it all on a USB flash drive. Since this would be a complete identity kit, encryption is of utmost importance. What's the best solution? A flash drive that claims to encrypt or a platform-independent, self-extracting, encrypted file on a regular drive? Any suggestions for sturdy drives?" Of course, the choice of USB flash drive covers only a part of the problem. What other data would you put on this piece of "contingency hardware", and how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

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  1. I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had three USB Flash Drives (Lexar, and two Sandisks) die on me, usually under a year, presumably a byproduct of the limited writes available to NAND memory.

    1. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt that. There isn't enough bandwidth on the USB port to write the ammount of data that would kill the flash memory. It's more likely to be mechanical failure of components.

    2. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fujifilm. I just had one of those suckers go through the washing machine a while back. Still works.

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    3. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by edsterino · · Score: 1

      Name brand USB flash drives should have at least 100,000 writes per block with the "extreme" types being much higher. This plus the fact that they all use "wear leveling" to spread the writes across the card (even if writing to the same logical location) means you should get a pile of writes out of them.

      USB drives usually die from being dropped or being banged around. A natural result of their size and portability.

    4. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I deal with the write issue on a regular basis. We used to use flash for embedded systems but the annual replacement of flash drives got excessive. We now use microdrives, which have an actual spinning media drive in them.

      If you're looking for a backup solution for your family data, organize your files in a competent manner (so it is comprehensive and well organized), and then develop a routine to write monthly CDs off. We dump two to CD, one of which goes to the bank safety deposit box (in a town 30 miles from here where I work), and the other gets dropped off at my folks. We keep their own backup as well. Mine is encrypted (theirs isn't since they're not that sophisticated and don't care).

      Works like a champ and was tested once already when my home workstation died and needed data recovery. Damn cheap-assed capacitors leaked on the motherboard...

      *flyover sam*
      (I'd post under my sig but there's nothing like a Slashdot stalker to change your interest in karma)

    5. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by LDoggg_ · · Score: 2, Informative

      wikipedia says: "A typical flash memory unit wears out after 10,000 erase operations."
      1 Gigabyte times 10K full writes =~ 10 Terabytes.
      High speed USB 2.0 is supposed to be 480Mbits/second. Or 60MegaBytes/second

      Not sure if you can write at full speed, but since you said there isn't enough bandwith:
      You could transfer 1,892,160,000,000,000Bytes/year or approximately 180 times more bandwith than you'd need.
      The much slower USB 1.1 specification would give you over 4 times the bandwith you'd need in a year for a 1GB USB thumbdrive.

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    6. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      Would you please quit it with this nonsense? Whether what you're saying is right or wrong, spamming it on slashdot is just annoying, like all other spam.

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    7. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by mwilli · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fijifilm makes USB flash drives?

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    8. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by arodland · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd say that's a bit out of date. Current parts are usually expected to get 1 million write cycles per block "minimum", and if you get good ones, you can approach 10 million. And provided that you don't rewrite every single piece of data every time, wear leveling will help you out too. So the parent is probably right. You would have to work really hard (or get a number of lousy chips) to kill a decent-sized drive with writes in a year.

    9. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Surt · · Score: 1

      That's not entirely true, some of the cheap flash is only 10k writes, and you only have to stick one bit to make a poorly designed one dead. How much effort would it take you to write the same bit (or byte) 10k times?

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    10. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by arodland · · Score: 1

      s/parent/grandparent/ # and now it's the great-grandparent

    11. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by LDoggg_ · · Score: 1

      Could be out of date. I don't actually own a thumb drive, just like playing with numbers :)
      If a reasonably priced one really can do a million writes these days I might just pick one up.

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    12. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Doppler00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's probably impossible to re-write the same piece of data everytime. Flash memory is usually designed to rotate through the available empty space, thus if you erase/delete the same part of the file over and over, it's actually erasing block a, and writing to the next free block a+1, until it hits the end of the memory. Only after it's cycled through all available free space will it write to the same block again.

    13. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one go through the washer and an hour in the dryer. Still works..

    14. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by wed128 · · Score: 1

      Actually, i have a dell-branded one that did the same thing. and here i thought they were shitty...

    15. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by optikSmoke · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, but Fujifilm does.

    16. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by saundersr · · Score: 1

      lucky dog. mine suffered a tragic washing machine death.

    17. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by WraithRealm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Lexar Media - Had a 128Mb USB drive go through wash 3 times. Each time, after dry-out, the data was intact. Finally stopped working ~2 years later when someone ran over it with a car.

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    18. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You type: emerge quake3
      That's 0 clicks, as opposed to two. Dumbass

    19. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      i honestly dont know of a manufacturer that isnt doing wear-levelling these days.

      although, i have seen some specs that only say 400k writes MTBF.

      but, whatever - you aint gonna hit the limit...

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    20. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      >We used to use flash for embedded systems but the annual replacement of
      >flash drives got excessive.

      err... you have got to be doing something wrong... like running in rw... i've got heavily used systems that are running 5+ years, and these early ones are not wear levelled.

      >Damn cheap-assed capacitors leaked on the motherboard...

      yeh... i feel for ya there... i've got caught with a significant number of units with those wonderful crap caps in 'em.

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    21. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not impossible, just unlikely under normal use.
      Deleting then writing a 1GB file to a 1GB stick would do it everytime.

    22. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by henry7 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, they don't make them like that anymore...

    23. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i had my flashmemory mp3 player go thru the wash serval times a swimming pool about 2 times :) still works tho starting to look a bit worse for wear

    24. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by mwilli · · Score: 1

      Oops, yeah, I meant Fujifilm. That's what I get when I try to type with one hand, eat with the other, and watch a tv thats sitting behind me. I guess that's what I get for being in college.

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    25. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by toadlife · · Score: 1

      My Sandisk 16MB compact flash card that I bought in 1999 along with a digital camera still works fine.

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    26. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by baudbarf · · Score: 1

      Funny, my Kingston 512 survived a washing machine, too, although the plastic case came off.

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    27. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Zandall · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try using JFFS or JFFS2 instead of FAT. These filesystems were created with NAND memory in mind.

    28. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "That's what I get when I try to type with one hand, eat with the other"

      Ri-i-ight. "eat".

    29. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by jaseuk · · Score: 1

      It really depends what your doing with it though. If you are using flash and only write to it once every so often for a firmware upgrade or to change the odd setting then it will last a very long time.

      If on the other hand you are using it as a data store and writing data every second or so then you will eventually tire the thing out.

      Jason.

    30. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by b100dian · · Score: 1

      You don't rewrite every possible bit of data, but if you're using FAT32, it's enough to rewrite FOUR bytes (the -redundant- amount of space left free on filesystem)

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    31. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Thou shallt not Flush your Flash...

    32. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by kasperd · · Score: 2, Informative

      Flash memory is usually designed to rotate through the available empty space

      The flash doesn't know which sectors are empty, only the file system knows that, which is a different layer. So what you describe would require the flash to be larger than advertised and use this extra space for the purpose. Assuming it actually works that way, then were does it keep information about correspondance between logical and physical sectors, and how does it avoid overwriting this all the time? No doubt it is possible, but do they actually put such complicated stuff in the flash? And does it mean, that we no longer have any need for the file systems able to handle this?

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    33. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by rizole · · Score: 1

      I have a 3 year old, unbranded, 128mb drive from hong kong I got from ebay. The casing is cracked - it's held together by tape - and it's been through the wash four or five times.
      Still works like a dream.

    34. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by mrmeval · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to the non-volatile drive that was based on CDRW or DVDRW material. It was supposed to have no spinning parts though I don't recall if it had a moving mirror and laser but it sounded as if it would have lasted longer than flash memory.

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    35. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by WebCrapper · · Score: 1

      I've washed and dried 2 different Panasonic SD Cards with no problems. They both still work fine and held the data with no problems - surprised the crap out of me.

    36. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by el_womble · · Score: 1

      Which makes your USB drive about as useful as HFS+ formatted iPod.

      (BTW - I use HFS on my iPod as almost all the computers I use are macs... but thats kind of my point)

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    37. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by bani · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes, on all counts.

      Modern flash is quite sophisticated (at least compactflash and USB sticks are, no idea about SD/MMC)

      Not only does modern flash have multiple redundancies and ECC, it also has wear leveling and badblock reallocation. This is all completely transparent to the end user / operating system.

      IOW, there is no need for the OS or filesystem to handle any of this.

      And yes, the flash is larger than advertised for exactly these reasons. So are your hard drives (IDE, SCSI) which have similar features and have similarly reserved space.

    38. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by bani · · Score: 1

      annual replacement? good lord, what in the world were you writing to them? constant 20 writes/sec?

      under "normal" usage with wear leveling, your average compactflash should last something like 10 years. if you mount non-critical temp stuff to eg a tmpfs, you can reduce writes to almost zero.

      microdrives have never had a good reputation for reliablility. i'd be seriously concerned about using them in embedded systems where you managed to trash the flash in a year.

    39. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by bigKM · · Score: 1

      what about the memory the FAT is taking up wouldn't that get hammered the most.

    40. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by agraupe · · Score: 1

      Now, I'm a gentoo user too, and I'm so sick of people like this claiming it's just that easy. It's not, and I admit it. Gentoo pisses me off on occasion too, because compiling everything from source means you can run into some interesting errors. So, cut the shit, eh?

    41. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by laplandsix · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SANDisk Cruizer Mini. It's taken no less than 3 rides in the washer! I've long since lost the cap, and there's something rattling around in there, I've used it as an emergency screwdriver a few times, but by God it still works! I had a Lexar Jumpdrive go bad on me in less than 4 months before I got this one. Quite OT, but I've often wondered if I could pry off this cover and dip this sucker in one of those cans of rubber like you'd dip the handles of your tools. A couple of coats of that and this thing would be damn near indestructible! It would only be vulnerable at the USB connector end.

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    42. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Verteiron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Replies to sigs are always off-topic.

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    43. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      Lexar Media - had one spontaneously up and die after losing the cap months ago
      Lexar Media - had one die after getting dropped in snow. It was carefully dried out before I put it in a computer, though.
      Kingston - Hint: it's a bad idea to put it in the back of your laptop, and then put your laptop in the bag without taking it out. It worked for a month afterward, until the connector bent to the point that it was unusable.

    44. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Albinofrenchy · · Score: 1

      I've actually never had emerge fuck up on me. The worst problem I've ever had was setting flags, and that takes two minutes to learn.

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    45. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1
      yeh... i feel for ya there... i've got caught with a significant number of units with those wonderful crap caps in 'em.
      Stop buying that useless Gigabyte crap and that won't happen. I've seen PCChips boards that were nearly 5 years old that still had good caps. I don't know what Gigabyte buys to get them all to blow in 2 1/2 years, but they must be garbage.

      As an aside, I recently replaced a Gigabyte motherboard in a system that had all blown caps. Goo leaking out the top of them, and everything. With the old motherboard in it, this computer still turned on and booted up! Video was all squigly, and sometimes it wouldn't POST, but when it did, it booted into Windows and ran fine. Surprised the hell out of me when I saw the board...it was ugly. I now use it as an example of why you shouldn't buy a cheap computer. Same with a trio of power supplies from Gateway, eMachine and Startech.
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    46. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Felmir · · Score: 1

      I was stuck in the middle of a lake for two hours with a Kingsford. Took about three days to get the water out of the plastic (drip-dry), but after that, it worked just fine and still does.

    47. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by bortizc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      once you have total failure there is no turning back. electronic information is useless. even paper information is useless. you will be on your own. perhaps it is a good idea to have a plan for the future and forget the past. forget new york, forget everything every man and woman for themselves. or perhaps constitute new tribes based upon mutual colaborations. if you take these things with you you are expecting to come back. but what if there isn't anything to return to.

    48. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by numbski · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, I hear some guys can do that. There was even a rumor flying around (sheesh, almost ten years ago!) that Marilyn Manson had one of his ribs removed for that very reason!

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    49. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just had one of those suckers go through the washing machine a while back. Still works.

      I've lost count how many times my little 128 MB Dell has made the trip through the washing machine. It works fine. My 512 MB Lexar drive had to be replaced when I was troubleshooting someone else's computer and it stopped working. Lexar replaced it without any problems. Now, if we had that scale of a problem. Take my advice. Don't worry, don't keep anything on you except your driver's license. You'll be taken care by the red cross and the feds will have declared marshal law and everyone in the nation will be issued biometric ID cards anyway. If your rich, you should have a vacation home in an out of the way local that isn't on anyone's hit list. If you aren't rich, the best thing to do is try not to live in any major high profile cities or political points. I'd think Mt. RushMore http://www.nps.gov/moru/ and The Statue of Liberty http://www.nps.gov/stli/ would be better targets than anything else though.

      Goal isn't to kill people. It is to creat mass choas, panic and terror. I'd target New York City's Water Supply System http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/watersup.html rather than the city itself. The panic and terror that would create would be much more than if NYC was wiped off the face of the map.

    50. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I have never had to resort to this as I have never dorpped my falsh drive in water, I am told that submerging it in alcohol afterward is a very good idea. The alcohol displaces the water, is non-corosive, and evaporates much faster than water.

      I have used this method in the past with the old buckling spring keyboards... Someone spills coffee in one, you submerge it in warm water with Dawn dish detergent and swish it around a bit, then rinse, then submerge in alcohol (this is back in the day when a keyboard was much more expensive that 4 or 5 bottles of rubbing alcohol) then take it out, let it dry for an hour or two and plug it in. *THAT* I have done many, many times with no problem. Never a short, never a rusted spring.

    51. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      I coated the innards of my old Rio 500 in Shoe Goo (actual product name, it repairs soles) to waterproof it, and it worked fine. Still works now, 5 years later, actually.

    52. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      if you're writing out data every second or so, i believe that you would be using the wrong material for the task.

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    53. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had the same experience with a SanDisk Cruzer. Hot water, full load, extra dirty cycle. I let it air out for a day, and to my great joy, everything was still there. We need more stuff like this. It could save marriages:

      "Honey, what did you do with my new computer?"
      "Oops! Think I washed it!"
      "Ha ha, you're so silly baby!"
      "And I think I might have left Junior in the dryer..."
      "Well, it's a good thing we bought our baby from SanDisk."

    54. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by The+Desert+Palooka · · Score: 1

      Which brings up the question: What must one do to protect it when ran over?

    55. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by kenneytechnologies · · Score: 0

      Warning, I AM affiliated with this company, but:
      You might try these http://www.smartcuff.com/ potted & sealed, aluminum housed USB flash drives with a surface contact patch connector. They are billed as handcuffs for processing suspects in mass arrest situations (i.e. Riots), as well as evidence tags. This means you can drive over them with a Truck, drop them in mud, oil, water etc. and they will still work. As long as you don't lose the custom cable adapter.

    56. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by w98 · · Score: 1

      My PNY 1GB Attache flash drive survived a hot-warm wash/rinse cycle *and* a full run through the clothes dryer, and still works fine three months later.

    57. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by WraithRealm · · Score: 1

      Probably should not buy a plastic-encased USB Flash Drive that can't withstand the weight of a large vehicle.

      I do believe they make heavy-duty USBFDs, too!

      Example: http://www.mrgadget.com.au/catalog/usb-flash-drive -512mb-sandisk-cruzer-titanium-p-249.html

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    58. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for StarTech - I had a lot of StarTech equipment, and none of it worked properly except for 1 network cable.

      Stay as far away from StarTech products as you can if you value your computer and your sanity.

    59. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that was his premise -- that flash was the wrong material for the task.

    60. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Bizarre. I pretty much swear by Startech stuff. I've seen maybe two network cables flake out, out of hundreds.
      My network switch is a Startech, and I used to think it was a little flakey, as every once in a while I'd lose all connectivity through the entire thing, and have to power cycle it to get it to work again. Then I put it on a UPS, and it's been flawless ever since.
      All my home networking hardware is Startech, with the exception of the SMC network card in my wife's laptop, and my D-Link router. The SMC and D-Link are the only things I've ever had to return due to hardware failures. My computer's power supply is a Startech, and it's been flawless ever since I installed it. Startech cooling fans are pretty much the best you can get in my experience.

      Maybe they've changed since you worked for them? I don't know. All I know is, I've never had the slightest problem with any Startech product at all.

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    61. Re:I'd take a backup of my backup. by ACPosterChild · · Score: 1

      You mean, "Ewwwww. Eat!?"

  2. Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life. We were having a discussion at work about whether our web backups could survive a nuclear attack... but if there's a nuclear attack, our website is the least of my concerns.

    1. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Funny
      I made the CFO of a major insurance company chuckle when I pointed out during the disaster recovery committee meeting, as the backup and data storage company made their pitch (involving their "nuclear blast proof vaults"), that when the competition started lobbing warheads at us I would tender my resignation.

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    2. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by ThaFooz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life

      Indeed. Besides, any (unforseen) situation that would render a major metro area uninhabitable probably means you aren't getting out alive anyways. If New Orleans couldn't be properly evacuated with several days notice, getting out of the beltway would be pretty damn tough. New York would be impossible.

    3. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by cowscows · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, yes, your life is very important, but it's certainly not a bad idea to grab what you can. Taking a little bit of stuff doesn't mean you're valuing it over your life. Grabbing an already prepared USB drive full of personal documents isn't stupid in the same way as, say, staying home to guard your comic book collection from looters.

      If DC is your home, and it gets wiped off the map, let's just hope that you survive. And if you do survive, you'd certainly be glad to have anything that you did manage to bring with you.

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    4. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by kfg · · Score: 1

      I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life.

      In reality you're perfectly right, however, you can pretty much count on the fact that when you get to wherever you're going there's going to some officious asshole sitting at a Rubbermaid(tm)folding table who won't give you the tunafish sandwhich you need to maintain your life unless you can produce your papers and you are yourself fulling willing to be a prick about asserting your rights as a citizen.

      The best prepared endure and survive the best.

      KFG

    5. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We were having a discussion at work about whether our web backups could survive a nuclear attack...

      The east coast isn't immune to hurricanes, what if a catagory 5 hurricane hit DC next year? Would you still be joking?

    6. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by nelsonal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the brown hits the rotaries that bad (city destruction by nuclear or biological), I'm depending on the wetware storage of rural survival skills (subsistance farming and animal husbandry) rather than some now useless bits stored in silicon.

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    7. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by kevcol · · Score: 4, Funny

      "...and animal husbandry"

      Oh come ON now! Society is having a tough enough time with gay marriage to even go there!

    8. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Total_Wimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My philosophy is that if DC is in such shape that I can never return, I really don't care about carrying around any personl data or very much anything else other than my life.

      People tend to think of the "worse case scenerio," but it often falls short of this. Yes, escape with your life, but remember that at some point you'll likely want to rebuild it in a civilized society.

      The living victims of the Tsunami, Katrina and Cherynobl all had to rebuild their lives. The living victims of Hiroshima and Dresden all had to rebuild their lives. Even the jews who survived Aushwitz had to rebuild their lives.

      Short of total world destruction or your personal death, you will need to rebuild yours as well. It would be easier to do if you could convince your insurance company to cut you a check for your obliterated house.

      TW

    9. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      a cat 5 in DC? no effing way - the water doesnt get warm enough that far up the coast.

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    10. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by znu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A nuclear detonation on the scale terrorists might manage would only do fairly localized damage; if you survived the blast and the radiation, you could probably walk to areas with mostly intact infrastructure in an hour or two. In about two hours, I could walk from my house up to the GWB and into New Jersey. It wouldn't take me more than five or six hours from anywhere in Manhattan. Of course, the elderly and people with disabilities would need still need emergency evacuation.

      And I'd make damn sure to bring my data; it's the product of a couple of decades of work. 'Starting over' would take on a whole new meaning without it. I'd probably grab my 500 GB external drive (which has everything) and my laptop. The laptop would give me a second copy of my really important stuff, and could come in handy. Katrina showed that the Internet can play a pretty important role in getting out information when infrastructure fails, in providing local information that traditional media overlooks, and in helping people stay in touch.

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    11. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but just as more people die fleeing from hurricanes than die from the storm (there are a lot more Ritas than Katrinas, remember those 24 people who died fleeing a cloudy day). If a bomb hits a town of 50,000 you can just walk away. If a RUMOUR of a bomb hits DC, you and many others may well be killed in the resulting panic and mayhem.

    12. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Crunchie+Frog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice. I just repeated this comment to some workmates but got a bunch of sheepish looks.

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    13. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ewe get the feeling these pun cascades are getting out of hand? I'm hoofing it; cud knows, it's woolly enough in here without wondering wether or not anyone here is on the lamb.

    14. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by EnderWigginsXenocide · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, I put in about 300 meters of cat5 in a newly renovated/remodeled office suite. There's lots of Cat-5 in DC.

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    15. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You honestly think the authorities and/or citizens on the other side of those bridges and tunnels are going to let a few million crazed radioactive total refugees with nothing but the semi burnt clothes on their backs just cross over into their turf?

      You might want to think about that some more. Not trying to dissuade you from your "walk away from a nuke blast" plan, but if you honestly think you are living at a target, you might want to suck it up now and make the effort and move to safer place well in advance when you can go calmly and haul all your stuff.

      Money is NOT everything. If it is only you, do what you will and good luck, but if you have a family to protect, don't let arrogance and ego and wishful thinking put THEM in peril. The world is a very large place,and fortunately, most of the world is not in the top ten nuke/terrorist target areas geographically.

    16. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1, Funny

      a cat 5 in DC? no effing way - the water doesnt get warm enough that far up the coast.

      Yet.

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    17. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by masklinn · · Score: 1
      People tend to think of the "worse case scenerio," but it often falls short of this. Yes, escape with your life, but remember that at some point you'll likely want to rebuild it in a civilized society.

      No you won't, you'll want a harem.

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    18. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by leuk_he · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you could probably walk to areas with mostly intact infrastructure in an hour or two.

      Walk seems to be correct. However since the army will be al over it, and there is more terrorist threat, you will be shot trying to leave a suspect area. By foot is most dangerous, a bus might be more appropiate.

      If you do not believe me look a New Orleans. Many people failed to leave the area in the days after because roads were close by men with guns. And in that case there was no terrorist threath.

      So make sure you have a stash of money to buy your way out of a disaster area. That is worth far more than your encrypted /sealed usb stick.

      Storing that data encrypted on the internet on a offshore site might help you not to worry about picking up that usb stick.

    19. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a bit shortsighted. There are plenty of minor disasters that could destroy a great deal of your life and that would be sad. The one thing every people I know (or I've heard of) that had their house burn down complained about was that they lost all memories of 'before'. Not mentioning all the burnt paperwork of course, but this is just paperwork and it takes only time and effort to make it up again. Pics, Videos and sometimes an old piece of music not distributed anymore were at the top of the list.

      Burning that and sending it to your parents and in laws is a minor charge and can prove usefull. Even only for a regular robbery.

      Of course, if the earth was to explode, I woudn't care about that stuff anymore. But life is not all black and white. Most of the time, it is grayish.

    20. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      If there's a nuclear attack, none of us will need to be concerned about websites, usb keys, or identification. Dead people have no use for such things.

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    21. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      eh....i want a harem *now*

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    22. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by JabberWokky · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I do wonder how many people have the skill set to survive. I know how to build a timber frame house, field dress and smoke an animal, understand basic sanitation issues (how far to build your outhouse from your water supply), etc. Some of it is from reenactment, some is interest in early tech, some from Scouting, most out of curiosity. But I have no idea if I could survive; my bugout kit is aimed at a disaster where modern society survives and I won't need a two man saw or years worth of ammo. Regional natural disasters, basically.

      I do assume that even in a mild emergency a USB key would be useless. Heck, the Florida storm shelters are pretty much the best case emergency situation and a USB key is pointless while there. A good marine ziplock bag (or just a freezer bag) stuffed with some documents and tucked into a small bag you carry with you is a hell of a lot more useful. Keep them stored at all times in a waterproof bag and you might get lucky and avoid having them turned to pulp when the fire department floods your house to put out the fire in the next room over. Mine are in a freezer bag in the file cabinet I keep my records in. Need to leave? Grab the bag out of the folder.

      If your house burns down you have aid workers helping you replace your documents, and I don't see that having them scanned on a USB key is any better than photocopying them and handing or mailing them to a trusted friend or family. And if you don't have someone you can trust like that, that's step one, way before you get a USB key.

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    23. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by matman · · Score: 1

      Maybe they know what "husbandry" means.

    24. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Even the jews who survived Aushwitz had to rebuild their lives.

      And I bet they were really sorry that they didn't have USB keys to catalog what was looted from them and sold to Swiss banks.

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    25. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Merk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Whoa, dude. You can smoke an animal? I thought it was only plants. I bow to your mighty, mighty smoking ways! What kind of a high do you get off an albatross anyhow?

    26. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A nuclear detonation [...] And I'd make damn sure to bring my data; it's the product of a couple of decades of work. 'Starting over' would take on a whole new meaning without it. I'd probably grab my 500 GB external drive (which has everything) and my laptop"

      What makes you think that you will be able to take that stuff through road blocks? If you survive a nuclear attack, it is likely that you will have to completely undress and drop everything on you (possibly including rings, etc) at some stage. After the shower, you will get new clothing.

    27. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by TrentTheWiseA · · Score: 1

      I'm still waiting for them to perfect the 'wifery' stuff first. That'll be the life, being able to manage the missus.

    28. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It woulda been better if you mentioned it to your cow-orkers.

    29. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe theyre excited
      or worried ...

    30. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      field dress and smoke an animal

      Holey free holey, Now that's something I've never tried... How high do you get ? and why do you need to field dress the animal before you smoke it ???

    31. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > After the shower, you will get new clothing.

      The lesson of Katrina is that if FEMA's running the shower, you get dumped in a shallow grave, minus any gold fillings. Either way, you won't need your 500GB of data.

    32. Re:Living in the other target city (DC) by kevcol · · Score: 1

      And maybe they have a sense of humor and see the value of making an absurd joke at the expense of the vagaries of the English language.

  3. What's the best solution? by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Paper.

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    1. Re:What's the best solution? by jmcharry · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since this is the sort of thing one isn't likely to think about often, and digital archives tend to deteriorate or become obsolete, paper is a good bet, but make it acid free bond, and store it in acid free covers. There should be a second, similar, copy far enough away that a single event is not likely to take out both. This should be good for well over a lifetime.

    2. Re:What's the best solution? by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

      Which you should put in something commonly refered to as a "Baggie."

      KFG

    3. Re:What's the best solution? by dotgain · · Score: 1
      Yes, paper! So ... floodproof, light and compact.

      Were you joking!?

    4. Re:What's the best solution? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      How do you plan to encrypt it?

    5. Re:What's the best solution? by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Have fun carrying your filing cabinet around.

      I leave an encrypted backup DVD with my parents twice a year when I visit, making this whole issue moot.

    6. Re:What's the best solution? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      ROT 13 of course. Good enough for Ceasar is good enough for me.

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    7. Re:What's the best solution? by dancallaghan · · Score: 1

      OMG have you never read Lem's Memoirs Found in a Bathtub??

    8. Re:What's the best solution? by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fortunatly for me I have a good friend in Nigeria who is willing to take copies of all my important documents and store them in a safe place as part of an ongoing business relationship him and I share.

    9. Re:What's the best solution? by kevcol · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Fortunatly for me I have a good friend in Nigeria who is willing to take copies of all my important documents and store them in a safe place as part of an ongoing business relationship him and I share."

      FREND- I AM AWIATING ON NYOUR MOST EXPIDICSOUS REPLY TO MY LATEST LETTER. I NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU BY TELEFON AS SOON AS HUMANELY POSSIBLE. DO NOT DISAPOINT ME.

    10. Re:What's the best solution? by PakProtector · · Score: 1
      Good enough for Ceasar is good enough for me

      Caesar Stolode Est

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    11. Re:What's the best solution? by mr_gerbik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have fun carrying your filing cabinet around.

      I leave an encrypted backup DVD with my parents twice a year when I visit, making this whole issue moot.


      Little did you know that your mother has been using those DVDs as drink coasters at coctail parties for years.

      Better luck next time sucker.

    12. Re:What's the best solution? by briancurtin · · Score: 0

      yeah i have a friend over there too. he emailed me about a very large sum of money i am entitled to the other day. its not a scam either!

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    13. Re:What's the best solution? by torokun · · Score: 1

      I would like to add that ANY electronic storage is more volatile than paper, i.e., it can get destroyed more easily, and that ANY kind of encryption makes your data brittle.

      Encrypting data onto a USB drive is like hiding it somewhere where no one, even you, can find it without (1) a computer, (2) the right OS, (3) the right software, (4) the right media reader, (5) an uncorrupted, un-bashed-up, and reasonably new USB drive with the data, (6) your key, and (7) your passphrase.

      Putting it on paper, on the other hand, provides instant access without any of those things, but only to someone right next to the document. It can't be instantly copied or stolen, at least without someone being right there in front of you, and it lasts for hundreds of years. The only real drawbacks are that it's heavy and hard to modify. But who's modifying these things? I vote for paper.

    14. Re:What's the best solution? by brazenmisfit · · Score: 1

      Paper takes up a lot of space, I would just take pictures of all my important documents on a regular film camera, then get it developed and use the negatives to safely keep everthing, they last a long time and they're fairly compact and I would think at least a little water resistant, or I would get the pictures transferred to microfiche, almost every library has a microfiche machine that you can print from. After you've made it to safety you could just print your documents in the local library.

      Personally i would go for the microfiche, a role stores plenty of information and its fairly rugged in the right container.

      Also if nothing else you could always look at it with a flashlight and a magnifying glass.

    15. Re:What's the best solution? by gowen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry. All by baggies will be employed to keep my stash dry,

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    16. Re:What's the best solution? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      What about images?

    17. Re:What's the best solution? by Ulven · · Score: 1

      ROT 1 on the bits?

    18. Re:What's the best solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bringing a DVD upstairs to your parents doesn't really solve the porblem of offsite backup.

    19. Re:What's the best solution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do your parents feel about you leaving your highly illegal and morally questionable pornography in their house?

    20. Re:What's the best solution? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Well, the whole point is that you probably have a whole filing cabinent of paper, and while maybe only a ream or two is really important to take in an emergency, how do you quickly locate all those papers? Plus it doestake up a fair bit of space.

      If you preplan and store it on a CD or USB drive, you have one item to grab when you bug out. You will not want to grab heavy things, nor do you want to take the time to sort through your paper files. Plus you can add things like photo snapshots of all the rooms in your house. This will proove invaluable if you get in a fight with your insurance.

      Things that will be good to have on flash drive:
      Birth Certificate
      Divers Licence
      Voter ID Card
      Insurance Papers/cards
      Copy of Credit Card #'s and phone number for support (this could just be a text doc).
      The last year's tax forms. (If you did them on the computer then likely you already have a pdf.)
      Prescriptions and other medical forms.
      That's probably all the critical stuff. I would put it all in a password protected zip file. While there is better encryption, a password protected zip should be accessible most anywhere. You have to assume that it will not be your computer so no special encryption utils like pgp.

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    21. Re:What's the best solution? by Zerbs · · Score: 1

      didn't know there was a SAFE part of Nigeria...

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    22. Re:What's the best solution? by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And to be extra sure, stick the baggie in a tub of vaseline. Not only does it perfectly waterproof it (vaseline is hydrophobic, so it can't be penetrated by water), it's also prepped in case you need to hide it quickly.

    23. Re:What's the best solution? by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      . . .it's also prepped in case you need to hide it quickly.

      Oh, hey. That's one I hadn't thought of. Go figure.

      KFG

    24. Re:What's the best solution? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Only if you do it for me. It might take a while.

    25. Re:What's the best solution? by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
      a friend of mine knew a guy who used to carefully backup his work data files onto a 5 1/4 floppy disk every day... then he'd stick it to the side of his file cabinet with a magnet strip.

      the really sad part was, he was an engineer, who *really* should have known better ;-(

      (for you youngsters, 5 1/4 floppy disks were these square disks used in the old days that stored data magnetically, so a magnet would erase them, see the problem? ;-)

  4. They tend to be pretty tough by Helios1182 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most USB drives are pretty tough. I would make a copy or two and put it in a crush/water proof case like an Otterbox.

    1. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No encryption needed if your USB flash drive has a form factor identical to a M1911A1 grip panel. If they're man enough to take it, they deserve it.

    2. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Ohm2k · · Score: 1

      I have a sandisk minicruzer that I keep in my pocket. If I leave it there when my wife is on a laundry rampage it gets puts through the washer AND dryer. Mine has been throuh no less than a dozen of these cycles and is still going strong.

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    3. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I want something with more than 7 rounds in the magazine.

    4. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess your data is amazingly clean then.

    5. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glock.

      Nuff said.

    6. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by maverick215 · · Score: 1

      Or consider the corsair model http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/flash_memory. html water resistant (I recall a reviewer put it through the washer and it came out with not a drop on the contacts)

    7. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glocks are for girls. Go Sig.

    8. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by mysidia · · Score: 1

      CD-R backup may not do you a lot of good, in an EMP situation, except for longer term storage; since an EMP would wipe out the equipment you could actually use to read the CD-R too.

      Having hard copy of the most important documents in a good solid case is important too.

    9. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by intangible · · Score: 1

      Always gets rid of the 'dirty' pictures.

    10. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by _pi-away · · Score: 1

      The SanDisk Titanium is a hardened drive (maybe not military hardened, but certainly more than your average drive).

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    11. Re:They tend to be pretty tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it takes more than seven rounds, you don't need a pistol, you need close air support.

  5. heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    screw Social Security, they're going bankrupt anyway... on my emergency flash drive it's all about the pr0n.

    1. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      They dont make USB drives that are big enough yet. I've only seen them go up to 8gigs. ;)

    2. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're fortunate. Powers that be have already protected the world's pr0n supply by distributing it over a massive network of netizens voluntarily donating space on their hard drives all over the world.

    3. Re:heh by zoeblade · · Score: 1

      screw Social Security, they're going bankrupt anyway... on my emergency flash drive it's all about the pr0n.

      Even better, use steganography to sneak important data such as your social security number into the seemingly innocuous porn. That way you get the best of both worlds, and a pretense for the porn.

    4. Re:heh by Nomad37 · · Score: 1

      why is parent modded 'funny'? shouldn't it be 'insightful'?

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  6. Security by b00tleg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always swallow my USB identity drives

    1. Re:Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does the name iPood come to mind?

    2. Re:Security by La+Camiseta · · Score: 5, Funny

      For some reason, I keep on having to re-swallow my USB emergency drive every few days.

      It really puts me into a crappy situation when I have to re-swallow it at work.

    3. Re:Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's why you're supposed to tie a string to the flash drive, and then tie the other end to your tongue (or tonsel if you still have it), that way it won't come out util you pull the string.

    4. Re:Security by rthille · · Score: 5, Funny

      Swallow it sideways, it doesn't come thru as fast then...

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    5. Re:Security by lullabud · · Score: 1

      Or sell your USB 2.0 flash-drive and get a cheap USB 1.1 flash-drive. From my experience, Memorex are the slowest.

    6. Re:Security by Muppski · · Score: 0

      I've been putting it in the other way. No one would look there either

    7. Re:Security by b00tleg · · Score: 0

      I would

  7. oops! by DeckerDel · · Score: 1

    Flash Drive for a Flash flood? Lovely!

  8. If it had to swim by phiberhack · · Score: 1

    Wrap it in plastic

    1. Re:If it had to swim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Two words: ziplock bag.

      I put my wallet in one on rafting trips. And nary a trouble I've had, despite one two good dunkings.

      That might not last hours underwater, but for long-term storage I'd use one of those vacuum-seal gizmos, which would basically be water-right until you tore it open.

  9. Encryption by PsychicX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As far as encryption goes, for god's sake don't rely on anything the manufacturers ship. That stuff is meant to protect you from your average luser seeing files, not anybody who is honestly interested. Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.

    1. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, use AES; AES is just as secure and more standard to boot.

    2. Re:Encryption by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.


      And then how do you store the key? On a USB flashdrive?

      And what's "2 way" encryption?
    3. Re:Encryption by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
      As far as encryption goes, for god's sake don't rely on anything the manufacturers ship. That stuff is meant to protect you from your average luser seeing files, not anybody who is honestly interested. Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.
      If you must use encryption - choose a program that's compatible with Windows and Xnix, and keep a copy of the program (for both OS's) in a self extracting file on the same media as your data.
    4. Re:Encryption by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Encryption seams pointless to me.

      Any sufficiently strong solution runs too high a risk of being stuck (no key).

      I would recomend preparing it in advance and keeping it in asaftey deposit box about 3 hours away by car (adjust distance based on paranoia).

      Your wallet (with ID) will get you into the box for anything requiring a more hardcore form of ID.

      I would also keep it encrypted on the local computer to have two copies.

      3 hours by car is close enough to update/retrieve for backup.

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    5. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is easy enough to do with linux, for example you can find simple instructions for how to do it with Debian at:

      http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179

    6. Re:Encryption by kasperd · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as encryption goes, for god's sake don't rely on anything the manufacturers ship.
      I agree. And don't rely on full disc encryption products. We are just starting to understand the security issues of full disc encryptions, it will be a few years before I'd expect manufacturers to start understand it as well and be able to implement something secure. For now GBDE is probably the most secure, but even that isn't perfect. gpg --symmetric --cipher AES256 would probably beat any full disc encryption when it comes to security.

      Use Blowfish or Twofish for proper 2 way encryption.
      Uhm, what is a two way encryption? And I'd advice against blowfish as it only uses 64 bit cipher blocks. Go for something with at least 128 bit cipher blocks and even more if you have many GB of data. AES256 have 256 bit keys and 128 bit blocks, which I think should be sufficient as long as you don't need to encrypt more than 64GB of data in the key's lifetime.

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    7. Re:Encryption by andyt · · Score: 1

      And then how do you store the key? On a USB flashdrive?

      And what's "2 way" encryption?


      "Two way encryption" is, obviously, when you can decrypt your encrypted file.

      This is in comparison to "One way encryption", which is infinitely more secure, but rather lacking in practical usage.

      In a similar vein, "One way compression" is the most efficient way of compressing data known to man. You can compress a 20gb tar file down to 1k! Just a little hard to get it back...

      (My guess is, he's referring to a symmetric cipher, with a pass phrase. Which I suppose does make more sense than having to worry about SSL keys getting lost or corrupted.)

    8. Re:Encryption by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      Why not just use password based encryption? Choose something non-trivial to hack and everyone who matters should memorize the password... Heck, you could even share one password with your whole extended-family.

    9. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about loop aes?
      loop-aes.sf.net

    10. Re:Encryption by kasperd · · Score: 1

      What about loop aes?

      As far as I can see in the README file, it uses deterministic IVs. That makes it vulnurable to the same kinds of attacks as most other disk encryptions. The v3 format may be some of the best which could be achieved with a deterministic encryption, but a probabilistic encryption should have been used instead. GBDE is the only disk encryption I know about which uses probabilistic encryption. But I'm not so sure about the cherrypicker.

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    11. Re:Encryption by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I guess it is risk vs reward.

      To me protecting plain text documents is a small reward, losing such docs is a big risk.

      and it better be a bitchen password, with known parts of files to look for.

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    12. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One way encryption" would basically be hashing. So it's not "rather lacking in practical usage", it's used all the time. Although it is mostly irrelevant to this discussion. Though, you make a good point about the advantages of a symmetric cipher.

    13. Re:Encryption by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      and it better be a bitchen password, with known parts of files to look for.

      Well, as you say, it's risk versus rewards. You get some measure of security with PBE, and there are some techniques that make it more or less reliable. RFC 2898 deals with this. Of course RFC 2898, and PKCS have become a bit dated, but things could certainly be brought up to date using similar techniques, and a little obfuscation never hurt anyone. (Hashing your pre-encrypted data, rather than just your password, with a salt value would probably throw off an automated tool wielded by a non-expert.)

    14. Re:Encryption by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I guess the real question is do you shread your birthcertificate in such a way you can easily reasemble it?

      why encrypt the scan then?

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    15. Re:Encryption by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      Obviously some things (like birth certificates) don't necessarily need to be encrypted.

    16. Re:Encryption by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Everything on that list is a plain text copy of the key info kept securly.

      I don't see hopw this differs from storing the info plain text on the drive and keeping it secure (in a saftey deposit box) a few hours away.

      In the bag itself I would keep only what was needed to get to the saftey deposit box.

      I imagine you don't encrypt your credit card or your social security card either, but I could be wrong.

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    17. Re:Encryption by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      Encrypt credit cards? What would be the point, your credit company shares everything anyways....

      Social security cards? I don't tend to keep one of those around, though I do memorize the number. Birth certificates and passports seem much more useful.

      As to safety deposit boxes, you're assuming you'll be able to get to one before needing to leave the area. In some situations that's a reasonable assumption, in others it isn't.

      I guess I was mostly thinking of keeping a (rather large) set of information on a flash-drive of some form that contained things like family pictures, resumes, private letters, and anything else digital that seemed important. Some of that I'd likely want some level of privacy for, and so I'd probably just encrypt the lot of it... Not everything would need to be encrypted, but if I had a fairly easy method of getting things back then I can't see many downsides to encrypting the lot.

      Basically the only difference between a key in a backpack and a plain-text drive in a safety deposit box is: One I have to go retrieve, the other is readily available in my own home. (Actually, to be honest having both would be even better in case I could get to the box but not my house...)

  10. If you're swimming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure the drive is waterproof

    1. Re:If you're swimming... by Red+Alastor · · Score: 2, Informative

      I forgot my USB drive in my pocket before washing my pants once. It survived without any problem. :)

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    2. Re:If you're swimming... by zaffir · · Score: 1

      I lost my Lexar 1 gig thumbdrive in a snowbank in the middle of January. I found it in june, where the snowbank used to be. After using some naval jelly to clean off the rust on the USB connector it worked perfectly. I use it almost every day.

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  11. alternate plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tatoo yourself in reeealy reealy little 1's and 0's. Tatoo your wife with the decryption key.

    1. Re:alternate plan by Surt · · Score: 1

      Yeesh, that's fraught with potential complications. What if you lose your wife, or your wife is stolen? What if she leaves you? What if you have to cannibalize her for food?

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    2. Re:alternate plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens when your wife divorce's you? Talk about getting half of everything! :-)

    3. Re:alternate plan by EnsilZah · · Score: 5, Funny

      Should be the other way around.
      That way he can call himself the keymaster and his wife the gatekeeper

    4. Re:alternate plan by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 2, Funny

      But if something goes wrong, who they gonna call?

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    5. Re:alternate plan by tylernt · · Score: 1

      Sigourney Weaver and Rick Moranis?

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    6. Re:alternate plan by name773 · · Score: 1

      "But if something goes wrong, who they gonna call?"

      ghost busters!

    7. Re:alternate plan by Achoi77 · · Score: 1

      LOL. Ghostbusters references are usually beaten to death, but that was well placed. Thanks.

    8. Re:alternate plan by ajwitte · · Score: 1

      What if malicious eavesdropper Eve poses as your wife?

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    9. Re:alternate plan by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      GHOSTBUSTERS!

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    10. Re:alternate plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apu: remember, to claim the reward, we must have 51% of the carcass..

    11. Re:alternate plan by gatekeep · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute *I AM* the GateKeeper!

  12. stick it on the web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have that stuff hanging off some files on my vanity domain web site. When I catch my breath, I can find a cybercafe and grab what I may need. There's always that garbage-mail project by that "only doing a little evil" big corporation on some property tax free land in Cali if you don't trust your own hosting company.

    1. Re:stick it on the web by TGK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meant partly in jest to be sure, but not a bad idea overall. Gmail provides a hell of a lot of (presumably) RAIDed to hell and back storage. That said, it's also probably stored somewhere in San Fransisco... so if you live there, that probably isn't your best bet.

      If you live in New York though, it's a good alternitive. The only kind of problems that I can think of that would make you need to flee New York and make data stored in San Fransisco irretreivable are the sort of problems after which you don't need your identity anyway.

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    2. Re:stick it on the web by Aradorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      they have a Data center in ATL and one in Virginia (IIRC)

    3. Re:stick it on the web by Nrbelex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm willing to bet Gmail isn't stored in a single location and Google has some sort of backup storage location.

    4. Re:stick it on the web by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What sort of problems? Like nuclear war, or more like volcanos in the Midwest? Perhaps a widespread plague? OR global warming a la Day After Tomorrow? All of the above would be really really bad...

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    5. Re:stick it on the web by scbysnx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      if there's an issue where you have to flee new york and servers are down in sf.. your data is useless at that point

  13. Maybe it's just me, but by bobertfishbone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wouldn't accepting scanned documents of identification open many a door for counterfeiters and scam artists, and even, dare I say, potential terrorists? *Raises terror alert to mauve*

    1. Re:Maybe it's just me, but by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mauve? You do realise this means changing the bulb

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    2. Re:Maybe it's just me, but by bobertfishbone · · Score: 1

      And probably an extra $25 million study to determine the demoralizing effect of mauve on insurgents.

    3. Re:Maybe it's just me, but by Sven+The+Space+Monke · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that violate Space Corps Directive #495?

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    4. Re:Maybe it's just me, but by olddotter · · Score: 1

      You just gotta luv RedDawrf references...

  14. Depends on your priorities by HungWeiLo · · Score: 3, Funny

    You can store 5 minutes DV-quality porn on a 1GB stick.

    If you are a man of questionable tolerance and determination, I suggest you use some kind of compression.

    Oh - you mean like a "real real" drought or some other real natural disaster? Oh sorry.

    (Goes back to work)

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    1. Re:Depends on your priorities by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      You can store 5 minutes DV-quality porn on a 1GB stick.

      If you are a man of questionable tolerance and determination, I suggest you use some kind of compression.


      As if DV doesn't already involve some kind of compression?

    2. Re:Depends on your priorities by Aeiri · · Score: 1

      As if DV doesn't already involve some kind of compression?

      I don't know where you've been the last few years, but "compression" is a thing of the past! All our video stores every object in 3 dimensions that ever existed at that point in time. It's a full snapshot of the universe, on a USB Pen Drive. Wake up people!

    3. Re:Depends on your priorities by climbon321 · · Score: 1

      Yup, DV has a 3 to 1 compression on it.

      Personally I go with DVD quality pr0n if you're looking for high quality. You could get about 25 minutes on a 1 GB stick

  15. OMG! The sky is falling! by Brent+Spiner · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well if your going to be all paranoid, you might as well get one of these.

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    1. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet some guy has one of them and goes to bars trying to convince women the end is nigh.

    2. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      I looked all over the site and still can't figure out how you go to the bathroom in one of these things.

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    3. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      Sorry to answer my own post, but some might find this interesting. It's buried deep on the site so you might miss it. Price tag is $160,000 US for the snoozy coffin.

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    4. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Bah, the price tag is insignificant compared to the cost of soda lime and oxygen fills to keep this thing running every night.

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    5. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by falcon5768 · · Score: 1

      yet you REALLY have to wonder how safe something that apears to be made out of plywood REALLY is. Even if its just for looks, its just SCREAMS "hey you, shoot me, its just wood."

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    6. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by s-meister · · Score: 2, Interesting
      $160,000. They can't spell Quantum the same way seven times in the same page. Why yes, this inspires confidence. As does the fact that I've yet to see any mention of fire in the advertised protection this offers.
      The out side surfaces can be plated with stained pine wood paneling to give it a nice wood grain finish.
      All that wood and polycarbonate, for which the melting point is 250 degrees Centigrade according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate.
    7. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by termigan · · Score: 1

      Also, interestingly, there's no provision for a huge O2 supply when the world gets toxic. It'd be better to have a microfiltration system to remove viruses and dust from air, but I've no clue if such a thing exists in a compact package. Viri are pretty darned small and tough to filter out... In addition, deciding whether the air is dirty is probably a $160,000 task.

      Seems like a 1/10 baked idea, and that's being generous.

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    8. Re:OMG! The sky is falling! by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
      does it float? have oars or boat motor?

      frankly it's *way* too coffin-shaped.
      IMO, it looks like you are prepackaged for burial.

      besides, my wife would never go for it unless it came with matching dressers and bedside tables ;-)

  16. The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by nokilli · · Score: 1

    ...bypasses your 128-bit encryption by putting a knife to your sweetheart's throat and demands the passphrase, or else.

    You give it.

    End of story.
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    1. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by tonyz2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's why you should use the plausible deniability built into TrueCrypt. Giving the attacker the password to the outer volume (who has been robbed at knifepoint for a USB memory device? that'll be the day..), and they still still have no idea an entire volume of your real data is hiding in the noise that is the freespace of the aforementioned outer volume. the outer volume needs to be FAT and it can have innocuous stuff on there like fake financial documents.. Enjoy!

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    2. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Then he goes back to his computer several miles away and realizes that you gave him a fake passphrase. 128-bit encryption wins again.

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    4. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by shmergin · · Score: 3, Funny

      You realise that you are posting on slashdot? "OK take it! Just don't puncture blow up betty!"

    5. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by kinzillah · · Score: 1

      He asks you the passphrase, then cuts off one of her fingers...

      then he asks again.

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    6. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me, but her name is Lifelike Lucy! If you're going to talk about my girlfriend, at least get her name right.

    7. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by KillShill · · Score: 1

      luckily for us slashdotters, that will never come to pass.

      phew. almost had me worried.

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    8. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      This is where you take a lead from Keyser Söze, and start whacking family members in front of the assailant. This tends to make them sit back and reflect on their life.

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    9. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Gordo_1 · · Score: 1

      I second the TrueCrypt recommendation. It really is as good as it gets for encrypting files and file systems.

    10. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by jrockway · · Score: 1

      What's he testing the passphrase with? His ass?

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    11. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 1

      Ummm... that would be under the "Hardware" section --- and if know Slashdotters, it probably will be within a few weeks.

      Go to it boys!

    12. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Cyn · · Score: 1

      Or you could just lie straightfaced. He'll have a hard time verifying the contents of your USB pendrive while holding a knife to you or a loved one, and keeping from attracting attention.

      Oh yeah, and anyone robbing you at gun/knifepoint doesn't give two shits about the data on the usb drive, they care about how much it'll be worth - which when shit gets nuclear - not much once the batteries start running out.

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    13. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, and anyone robbing you at gun/knifepoint doesn't give two shits about the data on the usb drive, they care about how much it'll be worth - which when shit gets nuclear - not much once the batteries start running out.

      That's absolutely correct. I've been there... Hope it won't happen to anybody..
      Some of my friends use TrueCrypt too; but I solved my problem in a different way - typed 'encrypt usb flash disk' in Google and 'felt lucky' :-)

      Today that program is not number 1 anymore, but it's somewhere there. Great tool, I am very happy with it.

    14. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by js3 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you attacker cares whether your denial is plausible. If he went through the trouble to attack you he wouldn't settle for a encrypted disk with nothing on it. I mean if they guy is ripping of your nails, the screw plausible denialability and deny outright. Just remember to take some military countertorture training first.

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    15. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by WarwickRyan · · Score: 1

      > Oh yeah, and anyone robbing you at gun/knifepoint doesn't give two shits about the
      > data on the usb drive, they care about how much it'll be worth - which when shit
      > gets nuclear - not much once the batteries start running out.

      I don't think they'd wait for that to rob you. I mean, you'd be carrying it around all the time, not just when the shit has hit the fan.

    16. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not as bright as you think you are. Encrypted documents while they need to be keep safe from prying eyes also need to be kept safe from deletion. If they open any of the files in the outer volume as you put it, and with how many programs create temp files in the directory you are in the content of the encrypted volume (in the free space) is ruined. And if you hadn't heard there are forensic tools that analyze the free space for content. You'd be supprized at what is lying around in the free space on some people's drives.

    17. Re:The guy who grabs your USB key chain... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Actually, having the real documents destroyed when a fake is opened would be even better protection, so long as you don't accidently open a fake yourself. If the drive is lost/stolen you probably aren't getting it back anyway so I wouldn't worry about recovering the information on it (you do have backups, right?).

  17. PGP by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ....is your friend. Don't trust the key vendor's utility. PGP can be accessed from any platform and isn't Win32-specific as the vendor's software is.

    1. Re:PGP by igny · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But where will you store your private key? Another flash card? Would you put them both into one wallet?

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    2. Re:PGP by Hiro+Antagonist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You'll use a symmetric cypher with a passphrase. GPG at least isn't *just* a public/private key system. Also has the advantage of being cryptographically much stronger

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    3. Re:PGP by Fantasio · · Score: 1

      You can even copy the files of a working copy of PGP 6.5.2 on the USB Key and be able to run PGP from the USB Key on a guest computer (windows) without installing it. This is not possible with later versions of PGP.
      The NYT article forgot one obvious piece of data : your address book !

    4. Re:PGP by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      Memorize it. ;)

    5. Re:PGP by JPriest · · Score: 1

      Maybe there are more secure methods out there, but I stick my stuff in a password protected .rar file. It solves the compression problem, I can actually remember the password, and the software to recover it from somewhere else is fairly redily available.

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    6. Re:PGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dm-crypt and AES-256 is your better friend.

    7. Re:PGP by Xibby · · Score: 4, Informative

      For example:
      Zip up your stuff (or tar.bz2, whatever...)
      gpg -c --cipher-algo AES256 Stuff.zip

      Copy Stuff.gpg to your flash media.

      To decrypt, copy Stuff.gpg to your computer and run:
      gpg -d Stuff.gpg > Stuff.zip

      Don't forget your password. Make sure you use a trustworthy GPG binary, and the unencrypted archive should never be stored on your flash media!. The unencrypted version could be easily recovered using undelete software.

      Now if it was me doing this, and I had some time on my hands, I'd look into the Linux crypto loop stuff. But that doesn't work all that well if nobody in your family runs Linux. So, I would have to opt for True Crypt on a Windows machine, create an encrypted volume on my flash drive, copy over the improtant files, unmount and run for it. At my parents/grandparents/whatever, it would be trivial to download and intall true crypt again and get access to my files.

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    8. Re:PGP by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      Why not also install something like DamnSmallLinux on the USB key, along with TrueCrypt?? You wouldn't need to download anything to access it, just plug it in and boot off it. It's only about 50Mb (last time I looked) so it'll also fit onto one of those 210Mb mini-cds with maybe 150Mb free space for scanned docs, etc.

      Something I'd be interested in would be getting the scanned docs officially validated. Perhaps at a Notary Public?? Take the docs along, prove your id in the usual manner (passport, driver's licence), the Notary scans the docs and cryptographically signs them, then burns a CD. I'd pay a reasonable price for a service like that, provided the signing process was well enough accepted by any bank or gov't dept that might need those docs.

    9. Re:PGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i was under the impression you could not "undelete" files deleted on flash media...there's no "residual" left when a file is removed.

      is this correct?

    10. Re:PGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not a mix of a USB bootable Linux distro and crypto? I wouldn't trust someone else's Windows box with decrypting sensitive data.

    11. Re:PGP by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Assume the worst. In worst case scenario, if you even have access to a computer you probably won't be able to install stuff. So, zip is your best choice.

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    12. Re:PGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xibby wrote:
      >
      > Zip up your stuff (or tar.bz2, whatever...)
      > gpg -c --cipher-algo AES256 Stuff.zip

      gpg, in effect, also does compression. So zipping your file beforehand is redundant (and can actually result in a larger file when your zip file is encrypted).

      Therefore, I suggest only tarring up your data before encrypting it. Like so:

      tar -cf Stuff.tar /path/to/my/stuff
      gpg -c --cipher-algo AES256 Stuff.tar

    13. Re:PGP by exhilaration · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, undeleting stuff from flash drives is very easy. You can Google plenty of freeware that will do it.

    14. Re:PGP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But where will you store your private key? Another flash card? Would you put them both into one wallet?

      Print it out? We're only talking 4k-10k worth of data that could be re-entered by hand if you were really motivated. IIRC, gpg even includes an option to dump your private keys to an ASCII text file.

  18. hmm... by gcnaddict · · Score: 0, Redundant

    What would I put onto a USB flash drive in case of an emergency?

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  19. Linus Torvalds' Solution by isny · · Score: 4, Funny

    Upload it to the internet and let the world mirror it.

    1. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by mikelieman · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      That's a joke, but when Google releases their beta of their filesystem in some distant future...

      a) Application Deployment as we know it will end....

      b) Storage Management as we know it will end...

      c) You won't need to be Linus to benefit.

      Please, Dear Lord, Let me live to see the day!

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    2. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually that is not that bad of an idea.
      Encrypt it and send it to your gmail account, your Yahoo briefcase, and maybe your hotmail account. Not to mention storing it on your USB drive.
      BTW your best bet for security for your USB drive is physical security. If you are really worried about someone taking it carry a spare full of fake data.

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    3. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      BTW your best bet for security for your USB drive is physical security. If you are really worried about someone taking it carry a spare full of fake data.

      google://rubberhose cryptography

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    4. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by qbwiz · · Score: 1

      They've already released their filesystem: GmailFS.

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    5. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Nah, thats to much hassle, just harass the NSA, or the CIA or the Department of Homeland Security enough and they will back up your data for free ;-).

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    6. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by funk_doc · · Score: 2, Funny

      Take your encrypted file and rename it "Barbie_twins_nude_in_oil.mpg" and upload it to some p2p networks. Your data will be accessible from any computer forever.

    7. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by caranha · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, not bad indeed but...

      (I might be wrong in the below)

      Encrypt it and send it to your gmail account,
      U.S.

      your Yahoo briefcase,
      U.S.

      and maybe your hotmail account.
      and U.S.

      Maybe it would be interesting to store it in some server overseas too, just in case?

    8. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by houghi · · Score: 1

      Upload it to the internet and let the world mirror it.

      With all the identity theft going on, this has already happend.

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    9. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by xerxesdaphat · · Score: 1

      Since when has google been a protocol?

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    10. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are really worried about someone taking it carry a spare full of fake data.

      Right. I keep fake drivers licence and credit cards in my wallet. Let these suckers steel it! My real identity is on the USB drive. //end of joke

    11. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Google has server farms all over the world. I have to admit that I do not know of any free email services located outside the US. I suggested that in addition to the USB drive. However if Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft all get taken out then you may have more to worry about than your id info.

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    12. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

      That's what I've been doing for a while. I figured, in the late '90's, that there were all these free porn-hosting websites, and there was steganography, and the two combine easily. Strip all your files into chunks and store redundant parts here and there, and write something to look around and make sure they're all there. It's like distributed porn RAID.

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    13. Re:Linus Torvalds' Solution by nfn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why dont you just encode it all on your fingernails every few months.

      http://optics.org/articles/news/11/7/4

      just be sure to avoid eating any wendy's chili, identity theft is a problem you need to be wary of, but if you use RAID5 you should be fine.

      you may want to also consider mirroring the data to both hands and feet. shoes are important to maintaining data integrity, on toenails. i believe a good manecure and pedicure will increase the write speeds, but that technique is also listed by the NSA as the official method to purge this storage medium, so you should remember to re-write the data afterwards. also be sure to always dispose of nail clippings in different locations, i reccomend subways for guarenteed dispersal and data hiding.

      you may encounter some performance hits when using RAID5 during your flight to freedom from NYC, but hopefully you wont be accessing the data much when this situation occurs.

      and if you didnt consider keeping all your info on an iPod shuffle with an audio will & testament and comments to loved ones then in the worst case scenario you could atleast have some kickin tunes when the zombies come chasing after you.

  20. hrm.... by Aradorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sounds like a really good business to start up. An online place where you can store personal information on protected servers. Have everything encrpyted when its uploaded and stored on servers. Then to retrieve the information you have to call or something. er well it sounded like a good idea at first =)

    1. Re:hrm.... by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      *Ring ring*
      "Hi, Data Storage"
      "Yeah, I need my data back"
      "I need to know who you are first off all"
      "It's me"
      "Who's me?"
      "You know who this is hahaha"
      "Oh, OK, yeah hahaha"

      or something like that from the burned out 3rd shift tech manning the phones that night hehe

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  21. Computer Acess? by dclaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would it not be better to simply keep a set of laminated copies of all those documents? In the case that you don't have access to a computer when you need it? There isn't always going to be a Kinko's or internet cafe nearby when you're in the midst of a terrorist attack or natural disaster the magnitude of which you are speaking.

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    1. Re:Computer Acess? by Sometimes_Rational · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they want my laptop, they'll have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands.

      If somehow that manages to get lost, anyone who is going to offer assistance that would require proof of identity is going to have a reasonably late-model computer with USB ports.

      As for laminated copies, they have no security at all, and when you think of the stuff you'd need, you could
      carry dozens of USB drives more conveniently. In fact, that's a good idea--having several drives with the info would provide a good level of redundancy.

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    2. Re:Computer Acess? by dclaw · · Score: 1

      good point. but, another good way would simply be to put it all on microfiche ;)

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    3. Re:Computer Acess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an idea. Have two disks in two separate locations. On one disk, you put the ones, on the other the zeros. Voila, ultimate irreversible encryption!

    4. Re:Computer Acess? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      But who's going to demand credit card statements and social security cards in the midst of an attack? This would be for the aftermath, in which case there should be plenty of infrastructure running if they're asking for it.

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    5. Re:Computer Acess? by HalfStarted · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The other thing to keep in mind is that the USB key is a suplement to the original paper documents. Paper documents stack up fast and are not things that are conducive to picking up and running with in a hurry. Idealy they are properly and safely stored in a fire box at the least if not a floor safe or a safe deopsit box.

      When the shit hits the fan they will have a fair chance of making it through but you might have to take off for a while until the situation calms down... or you may be away from home... or home may become a smoking pile of rubble...

      In those cases the original documents may not be accessable or even in a safe location may end up destroyed. In that case copies are your friend. Highly portable copies are even better... that is what makes the USB or DVR idea attractive... once you collect the files there isn't anything that prevents you from putting a copy in the safe with the original documents... a copy in your bug-out bag and a copy in your normal commute bag.

      Maybe it is because I was a boy scout... maybe it is just because I am a geek and we tend to get in to planning for things like this... but I have 3 kits.

      A fairly extensive kit for sheltering in place at home that will keep me quite happy for about 14 days.

      A bug-out bag that lives in the trunk of my car. If I have to go in a hurry I can just run. It is portable so if I had to leave the car I could still bring it with me with out being overly encumbered, it will keep me comfortable for about 5 days with out external support or a motel with room service.

      A micro kit that lives in my daily commute bag. Nobody wants to have an 80lb backpack with them all the time, but it is still a good idea to have some minimum items with you... micro first aid kit... flash light... radio... leatherman charge... snacky kinda food / emergency food bars... It would be pretty spartan but with some water it would keep me going long enough to get home or to my car. I really should keep a bottle of water in my commute bag but I keep drinking it.

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    6. Re:Computer Acess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > But who's going to demand credit card statements and social security cards in the midst of an attack?

      Vogons?

    7. Re:Computer Acess? by syzler · · Score: 1

      Your SSN card is not valid if it is laminated. Don't believe me, just look at the first line of the small print on the back of your card.

    8. Re:Computer Acess? by rastos1 · · Score: 1
      here isn't always going to be a Kinko's or internet cafe nearby when you're in the midst of a terrorist attack or natural disaster

      I have a little bit trouble following that. You mean like a plane crashes into a skyscraper and you scream on the top of your lungs: I need a computer NOW! Or there is a tsunami comming and you get an urgent need to print out your copy of driving license ... um ...

      You need the stuff _after_ not _during_ the disaster.

    9. Re:Computer Acess? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A friend of mine does this. he has a business card sized card he prints on the 2400dpi laser printer here at work in 2 point font. (yes it is readable with a magnifier) with all his important info on it. important phone numbers, addresses, etc.. he does not put CC numbers on it as that is a pretty darn stupid thing to do. Come on, if you dont have your wallet who the hell is going to let you use a credit card number? he add's lots of neat info on it and laminates it for his wallet. Updating it maybe 3 times a year.

      Low tech, more useful in an emergency than any "thumb drive" that requires a working computer to read it.

      He recently made a new second card with a shrunken map of the bus stops/train stops on the high res color printer. pretty darn cool stuff.

      now only if I could figure out how to make a microfishe I could cram more information on a card than he can.

      It's all about accessing that information when you need it. and I am betting you will not have a computre available when you need to access it during a major emergency.

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    10. Re:Computer Acess? by archaic0 · · Score: 1

      That's not always true.

      At some point they stopped puting that on the cards. My card does not carry that warning, however my Dad's and grandpa's cards do. None of my siblings cards carry the warning either.

      (btw... I'm 27 - card issued in 1978 in Kansas)

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    11. Re:Computer Acess? by mt-biker · · Score: 1

      It's all about accessing that information when you need it. and I am betting you will not have a computre available when you need to access it during a major emergency.

      Whereas a microfiche reader is likely to be easier to find than a PC or laptop?

    12. Re:Computer Acess? by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1
      I think that this is a great solution.

      Personally, I'm a big fan of the good old fashioned paper-based storage. Once upon a time, I carried a Palm. Then, I dropped it. Since then, I switched to carrying a small notebook and pen. It has great note taking ability, instant handwriting recognition, and I can use it to transfer messages to other people easily (ie, rip out a page). The demonstration that I often do for people is drop it on the ground, then stomp on it. Nobody has done the same for their PDA.

      In terms of distaster data, on trick I used when travelling was to write all my key information (eg, passport, credit card #'s, etc.) on a sheet of paper tucked away. Then, I added some number to all of these values to simply encrypt them (something like your parent's phone number works well - easy to remember and not something likely to be guessed by a pickpocket). Laminate this card, then bring on the end of the world. The result is compact, portable, and secure to all but the most dedicated.

    13. Re:Computer Acess? by adamjaskie · · Score: 1

      Mine from '84 has that warning.

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    14. Re:Computer Acess? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      A good magnifying glass or a loupe will work in a pinch too.

    15. Re:Computer Acess? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      There are microfiche readers everywhere in nature. It's called a droplet of water. used as a magnifier almost cince the beginning of time.

      I am very certian you cna not do the same with a USB thumb drive.

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    16. Re:Computer Acess? by SamSim · · Score: 1

      I dunno about the microfiche idea. There's never a microfiche reader around when you need one.

    17. Re:Computer Acess? by philntc · · Score: 1

      I switched to carrying a small notebook and pen. It has great note taking ability, instant handwriting recognition.

      LOL... I do the same thing, except my scratch is similar to lousy perl code. It's write-only.

    18. Re:Computer Acess? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there are microfiche readers everywhere in the wilderness.

      it's called a droplet of water.

      low tech = good.
      high tech = useless in a real emergency.

  22. Encrypt it first by yack0 · · Score: 1

    Encrypt it with your existing GPG/PGP keys, then move it to the drive. Most of the encrypted drives these days aren't that great. You'd also not have to worry about any proprietary software with you for the decryption.

    Keeping your private GPG key would be useful - perhaps another drive? Perhaps on paper?

    I like the idea of the USB drive for paperwork though, good addition to the EOTWAWKI (end of the world as we know it) scenario.

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  23. Or.... by cdn2k1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could kill two birds with one stone, and get an iPod. That way you will not only have all of your important stuff, but you'll be able to groove to some sweet tunes while looting and pillaging.

    1. Re:Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      while looting and pillaging

      "Searching for food," if you're white.

    2. Re:Or.... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      You could kill two birds with one stone, and get an iPod. That way you will not only have all of your important stuff, but you'll be able to groove to some sweet tunes while looting and pillaging.

      Well in the case of an emergency, this has an added benefit, since it has a screen on it. The iPod allows you to store notes on it in text format. I also believe the iPod Nano can be locked, Remember in an emergency you can't guarantee the presence of a computer or power. So the other thing to carry is a small portable solar panel to charge it.

      I tend to prefer the simpler solution of paper or even engraved metal. You could always have a army sttle dog tag with your essential information engraved on it. Then you can always wear it and you would not need to worry about having to lose or encrypt that important info.

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    3. Re:Or.... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Following up on my own comment some of you may be interested by the fact a social security dog tag was once proposed. This was at the time when they were still deciding on how to implement SSNs.

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    4. Re:Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      In non-black populations, there is no significant looting and pillaging.

      Half of Rumania was flooded this year TWICE for example, people worked together to rebuild, but there were no records of looting and pillaging (and no rapings either). Bulgaria was also partly flooded.

      Also a big storm hit Taiwan and the Chinese east coast this year with millions homeless. Also no reports of looting and pillaging.

    5. Re:Or.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty easy making jokes about white people. That way you don't really look racist even though you really know what color the people are doing the looting and pillaging. Give yourself a hug though and keep telling yourself you're color blind.

    6. Re:Or.... by Gwyn_232 · · Score: 1

      groove to some sweet tunes

      "Shuffling about arrhythmically to Britney spears," if you're white.

  24. AES encrypted disk image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use an AES encrypted disk image on my USB flash drive. I used Disk Utility on Mac OS X 10.4 to create it. VERY easy. To insure security, I used a really long password. b1llg4t3s4ndm0nk3yb0y5uck
    Damn...brb.

  25. Why save it locally at all? by thisissilly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not just email all that to yourself in a gmail account? Holds 2.5GB and counting, and you can get to it from anywhere. No need to worry about taking it along with you.

    1. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what happens when it's Google that's taking over the city? I think that's probably the most likely scenario that would lead people to evacuate a place like New York...

    2. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Chimera512 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      because in the event of a "leave nyc forever" caliber event, you have no idea where the hell google's gmail servers are geographically. and then google has all your personal data. that seems like a pretty terrible idea from a security standpoint, even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable. if you're leaving on foot, take paper copies of everything, tape it to your chests so your bodies could theoretically be ID'ed if you were to die (we're talking hyptohetically, lets go all the way) i'd be way more worreid about water purification, food, and the ability to cover enough ground on foot to get away form the disaster before you run out of food and water. if you're a typical person i don't htink you're going to be doing more then 20 miles a day with plenty of food, and that's being generous. do you have shelter? i'd suggest a water proof pack from granite gear that weighs 1.5 pounds without anything in it. that's what i'm brining when the shit hits the fan and we're all dead.

    3. Re:Why save it locally at all? by guard952 · · Score: 1

      Until you can't find a computer with power and internet access.

    4. Re:Why save it locally at all? by whiteranger99x · · Score: 1

      That would assume that Google can be trusted to never ever ever ever EVER try anything funny with your files.

      Of course, conspiracy theories aside, I see the rationale there :)

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    5. Re:Why save it locally at all? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Hyptohetically?

      I'm sorry, I'm really not picking on you but that's a great typo.

      But frankly, I'm not so sure I'd want to live in a post-apocalyptic world, if movies like Beyond Thunderdome, Waterworld, Omega Man, Damnation Alley and all the rest are even half right. Just put me at Ground Zero and get it over with in a microsecond.

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    6. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OH! NO! My gmail account (and the rest of California) just slid into the Pacific Ocean!!!

    7. Re:Why save it locally at all? by pmike_bauer · · Score: 1

      I assume this is an attempt at humor? It should not be so.

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    8. Re:Why save it locally at all? by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      Just makes me wonder why nobody even suspects that Google will ever get hacked someday allowing the attacker access to all passworded info/data files.

      Probably offtopic. But oh well.

    9. Re:Why save it locally at all? by malraid · · Score: 1

      My car already has machine gun mount points installed, just in case. My car and a couple of Tine Turner 8-tracks for the road. That's what I'm taking!!

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    10. Re:Why save it locally at all? by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative
      you have no idea where the hell google's gmail servers are geographically. and then google has all your personal data. that seems like a pretty terrible idea from a security standpoint, even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable.

      I know enough about Google's servers to know that they have many datacenters, spread out around the world, with redundant backups. While I wouldn't ever trust anything completely to them, I think a GMailed file would have a better chance of surviving a disaster than a USB drive in your closet. As for encryption, it may be that nothing's unbreakable, but it gets pretty damn close. I don't anticipate anyone willing to spend billions of dollars and millions of years to crack my bank account number.

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    11. Re:Why save it locally at all? by jigyasubalak · · Score: 2

      >even if it is encrypted. nothing's completely unbreakable.

      This arguements that "nothing's completely unbreakable" seldom fails to sicken me.
      Why do you think that some unscrupulous google employee is going to spend even five minutes to browse through 1000s of emails of some tom.dick.harry@gmail.com account to find crucial personal data. That's some serious Narcicus Syndrome you are going thru buddy. Grow up!

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    12. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Chimera512 · · Score: 1

      i'm not concerned about my personal data, i know im not importatn enough to steal data from, nor am i paranoid enough to think someone's going to want it. i was trying to play the devil's advocate and raise that point to contribute the discussion becuase i felt someone else would raise it if i didn't. and to be honest i don't really know enough of anything about encryption to have commented on that aspect of the discussion.

    13. Re:Why save it locally at all? by nsasch · · Score: 1

      So google has many datacenters, thousands of servers in each, and one hundred people with uploaded bank account numbers. Shut down google.com for one minute, crack the encrypted file, and hope that the person has a few thousand dollars to at least cover the loss in revenue for a minute of operation.

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    14. Re:Why save it locally at all? by squoozer · · Score: 4, Informative

      I agree with almost everything you say except the bit about encryption not being unbreakable. While I admit that in theory all current encryption schemes are breakable it is easy to encrypt something so that it is for all intents and purposes unbreakable without the key. Of course this assumes that there isn't a flaw in the encryption method and that nobody has built a quantum computer naturally. The first could be partially overcome by multiply encrypting the data with different methods - thus requireing a flaw to be found in each.

      Anyway that's beside the point. The OP must be on crack or something. If the disaster is so big one of the worlds leading cities is never inhabitable again the guy, his wife and everyone they know is probably dead anyway. What the point planning for a situation you can't hope to live though. You might as well just enjoy the here and now. As for saving your CC numbers - hahahahha = like anyone will accept credit cards. You might be able to barter with food and water but that's about it.

      Personally I would take water purification tablets and a 5 * 1 litre bottles of water as my number one thing to pack (more if I have space). After that I would pack low salt high energy food + a small pot of salt (allows you to replace salt when you need it rather than every time you eat). Some sturdy cloth would be useful as it would be easy to rig up a crude filter if you have to drink muddy water (at least the water will be free from bigger bits and the purification tablets will see to the rest - last resort though as "purified" water is horrible). A few boxes of matches sealed in plastic bags would be good as well as a really big coat. And finally, an assortment of large sturdy knives and a hand axe. No where in my list of essentials would I include a USB flash drive.

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    15. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Molt · · Score: 1

      Just in case anyone considers this a viable scenario here's a section from the AES factsheet (AES being just one of many contemporary strong encryption algorithms) about cracking AES:

      "In the late 1990s, specialized "DES Cracker" machines were built that could recover a DES key after a few hours. In other words, by trying possible key values, the hardware could determine which key was used to encrypt a message.

      Assuming that one could build a machine that could recover a DES key in a second (i.e., try 255 keys per second), then it would take that machine approximately 149 thousand-billion (149 trillion) years to crack a 128-bit AES key. To put that into perspective, the universe is believed to be less than 20 billion years old."

      Now it's fair to say Google could process more than 255 keys/second but bear in mind doubling the processing power will only halve the attack time, and 149 trillion years needs an awful lot of halving to equal one minute.

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    16. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Jamu · · Score: 3, Informative

      One way to waterproof a box of matches is to pour melted wax into the box and wait for it to set. When you need a match, just pick one out (The rest, naturally, remain waterproof in case you drop the box.) and rub off the wax.

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    17. Re:Why save it locally at all? by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 0

      Well, you could always come to Africa. We have *some* power and a computer or two.

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    18. Re:Why save it locally at all? by gr8dude · · Score: 1

      Do you think your super-mega broadband connection will still be available if things get screwed up?

      When people say that the Internet is non-distructible, this doesn't mean that every terminal attached to is is invulnerable. The main servers will live, but many nodes will go off.

      So not only that you might get stuck with your 2.5 Gigs and a dial-up connection; but you might not have Internet at all.

    19. Re:Why save it locally at all? by nsasch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's a 1 over infinity percent chance that it will take that long. And a 50% chance that it would take _only_ 75 trillion years. There are about 190 million computers in the US as of 2002. We can assume there are 500 million computers world wide now. It takes 3600 computers to crack a DES key in a second. We can halve 149 trillion 17 times. Using all of the worlds computers it would only take 4.5 billion years to crack a simple 128-bit AES key. Assuming your source (US government) is correct, and my estimations and calculations weren't off too much, my first comment was very wrong. Thank you for informing me.

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    20. Re:Why save it locally at all? by justins · · Score: 1
      tape it to your chests so your bodies could theoretically be ID'ed if you were to die

      Unless you have dentures instead of teeth and are in the habit of razoring off the tips of your fingers like Kevin Spacey in Se7en, you've pretty much got this covered already. If something happens to erase those features, it'll probably erase those documents, too.
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    21. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swan Vesta matches (I have boxes of them), dip the match heads in hot melted candle wax. Swans are shrike anywhere, so you don't even need a box

    22. Re:Why save it locally at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally I would take water purification tablets and a 5 * 1 litre bottles of water as my number one thing to pack (more if I have space).

      A Camelbak would be your friend in any emergency get-up, as they hold quite a bit of water very conveniently...especially the backpack style ones, which could also be used to hold quite a bit of food...especially if we're talking MRE-style food...several days' worth. You could also fit some additional water in it.

      No where in my list of essentials would I include a USB flash drive.

      I'm assuming that the poster is not talking about a "society-in-general ending" event, but rather a "devestate-a-local-area" type of event. The kind where if you survive, normal life may soon recommence. In that event, it may be a good idea to have a copy of all your personal documents, so as to more easily re-establish identity/credit in your new place of residence. Hence, USB key.

    23. Re:Why save it locally at all? by groot · · Score: 1

      You can even send the documents as encrypted doc imbedded into jpg files. So the causual observer thinks its just part of your growing porn collection.

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  26. Boom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the event that another major American city is destroyed I doubt having all of your data on USB will be enough.

  27. Brute forcing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Tatoo your wife with the decryption key.

    Just watch out for people trying to "brute force" your wife.

    1. Re:Brute forcing... by Cruciform · · Score: 5, Funny

      Brute force? A little social engineering works wonders.

      "More wine, dear?"

    2. Re:Brute forcing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Personally I prefer a man in the middle attack, but people tell me I'm kinky...

    3. Re:Brute forcing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a feeling not everyone wants backdoor encryption either...

    4. Re:Brute forcing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You always have to take it one joke too far, don't you, Larry?

    5. Re:Brute forcing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it sure makes it fun to look for a crack.

    6. Re:Brute forcing... by LS · · Score: 1

      god damn that was funny, I haven't laughed out loud reading slashdot in months!

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    7. Re:Brute forcing... by Myopic · · Score: 1

      "honey i'm home. i brought a friend of mine... this is Trudy..."

    8. Re:Brute forcing... by djdole · · Score: 1

      "More wine, dear?"
      But then you gotta worry about Windows crashing on the linux install you're running wine on ... on your wife.

      BSOD+SCO attacks+PMS

      I think I'll take the nuclear attack.

  28. Life on a USB drive by springbox · · Score: 2, Informative
    Consider putting it on a tough drive. I personally use the Cruzer Titanium. It's made from a light weight "space age" metal unlike most cheapo thin or thick plastic drives. "Crush force exceeds 2000 lbs" they claim.

    Also for my private data, I have a TrueCrypt volume on the drive so that in case someone gets their hands on it, my not so public data will be safe.

    If you're actually intending to put your LIFE on it though also consider a backup strategy so you won't lose everything when your drive falls off your keychain and into the sewer where it's eaten by technologically advanced rodents.

    1. Re:Life on a USB drive by black6host · · Score: 1

      These are quite sturdy. Mine lives on my bikes key ring and that's my only transportation rain or shine. 60 MPH, pouring rain, and the sucker just works. Been out in the elements for damn near a year now and still going strong.

      Regards

    2. Re:Life on a USB drive by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      If the rodents are truly technologically advanced, wouldn't they be better served by hacking the encryption rather than eating the drives?

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    3. Re:Life on a USB drive by fatboyslack · · Score: 1

      You ride at 60mph?

      Wow. That's like 96.6 km/h in real measurements.

      You're really moving on that bike.

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    4. Re:Life on a USB drive by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      into the sewer where it's eaten by technologically advanced rodents

      Where he teaches REAL ULTIMATE POWER to four baby turtles zomg!

    5. Re:Life on a USB drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bike" is a frequently used replacement for "Motorcycle".

  29. Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Encrypt a blob of the data with a long passphrase on a PC, then store the scrambled blob on a thumbdrive. Then make 5 or more copies and send them to people around the world, preferably relatives, along with $20 each to cover return postage (to wherever you happen to land). Make sure to update the blobs every year or two to ensure the ID data is mostly current. Thumbdrives are cheap - rebuilding your identity after Katrina or some other Bush "oops" is much more expensive.

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    1. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Bush summoned up a hurricane! Too bad he can't run again or he'd have my vote for sure.

    2. Re:Global Secret Distribution by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Thumbdrives are cheap - rebuilding your identity after Katrina or some other Bush "oops" is much more expensive.

      Yes, yes, because the people in, say... Gulfport, MS, who watched their homes and businesses get scraped off their foundations by storm surge have Bush to blame? Come on, is that really helpful (even a little)? It definitely doesn't make your other perfectly good ideas seem any more credible. You can do better than that. Unless the sailors who died on the Cole without having mailing databackups to their families were the subject to a "Clinton oops." Or people who lost it all to Hurrican Floyd in South Carolina - Clinton oopses? It's just silly, man - you're usually less gratuitous than that.

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    3. Re:Global Secret Distribution by bfizzle · · Score: 1

      It is the japanese damn it....

      www.weatherwars.info

    4. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      typical liberal, not wanting to take responsibility for anything. Everybody know God targeted New Orleans because of all the homo-sexuals and Catholics.

      (note to mods...this is called "snark")

    5. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Who are these retards who think Bush's failure in Katrina was his success in creating a hurricane? Is the guy who steps into the highway, getting smashed by a car, some kind of magical "car magnet"? Or just an idiot who can't be trusted to stay out of harm's way? You know, like cutting his Army Corps of Engineers requests for $70M to maintain levees for a Cat3 storm, when everyone knows a Cat5 is inevitable, down to $3M? Or putting a shithead like Mike Brown in charge of FEMA? Or staying on vacation while New Orleans drowns?

      Man, you are really an asshole. Thousands of Americans who died last month could be alive today if Bush gave a shit about managing the country he's in charge of. And you spout BS like that? Why do you hate America?

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    6. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I live in New York City. We're obviously the #1 target for terrorist attacks in the USA. Last week I had dinner with the Mayor's chief of consular affiars (UN, ambassadors, foreign rulers, etc) for the City's Office of Emergency Management. He's pretty on the ball. If he were, say, a disgraced ex-head of a racehorse association running all of FEMA, I'd feel a lot less secure here. But I still have to rely on Chertoff running DHS, and Bush's new crony running FEMA - which is still employing Brown to "examine the mistakes after Katrina". So I'm not going to ignore the reality of Bush's malevolent incompetence staffing the offices we rely upon to protect us from disasters. It's personal and imperative.

      Moreover, I used to live in New Orleans. I'm on the phone several days a week with personal friends who fled the city last month, many of whom have much necessary identity info lost. Because Bush underfunded their levees, didn't take seriously the urgent need for even better levees, didn't care enough to appoint people who could have mitigated the damage, who could have helped rescue the city. Like plugging the breached levees in hours with hundreds of prepared helicopters, rather than the puny fleet of one or two which took days.

      So you can go ahead and come up with disaster angles that Bush isn't responsible for. The parts he *is* responsible for place us in serious danger. Look at the reports from Texas mayors about the continued bungling of Bush's disaster agencies on Rita, even with the knowledge of Katrina. Bush is part of the threat. If you don't understand that, if you count on the Federal response we're paying for, that years under the "post-9/11 thinking" DHS have assured us we're getting, then you're doomed. We don't have to deal with Floyd, or the Cole, or Clinton - they're gone. We have to deal with Bush for 3 more years, and more Cat5 hurricanes, and possibly terrorist attacks. Best to size up the threats seriously, and not minimize the uselessness of Bush in our survival.

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    7. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      That's why I don't send it to your okie grandparents. I said send it to at least 5 relatives, based on the integrity of my own family. If all yours are like that, maybe your identity isn't worth preserving.

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    8. Re:Global Secret Distribution by xutopia · · Score: 1
      "Who are these retards who think Bush's failure in Katrina was his success in creating a hurricane? "

      Wasn't it Al-Quaeda's fault?

    9. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      I know it's snarky, but the kind of idiots who apologize for Bush's idiocy don't know what "snark" means. So I'll point out, for their benefit, that the parts of New Orleans that were destroyed were the most churchgoing, most "faith based" people, black people who usually belonged to some small protestant church, just like the evangelicals crowing over "divine intervention". While the French Quarter, the least damaged part, has the most Catholics (all the old churches are Catholic, including the main one in all the pictures). And of course the most homosexuals and deviants. Then there's the rest of the Gulf Coast hit by Rita and Katrina, one of the most evangelical parts of the country, with few homosexuals, deviants or Catholics. Then there's the damage to Bush this whole affair has caused. If we were thinking about this rationally, keeping god in the picture, we'd have to say that god smote the fake Christians swelling Bush's ranks to his bare (if nonfictional) majority. But of course the Bush zombies don't think rationally - all they care about is that someone said something that said that god favors them, and hates the people who scare them, who look different from them. But it's all a joke, because none of them would ever read a paragraph this long, especially since it doesn't say anything about how god loves them and hates everyone else.

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    10. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Moderation -2
          100% Flamebait

      The degree to which Bush apologists will defend Bush with retribution against anyone who points out that he's dangerous is astounding. A month hasn't even gone by, and the only lesson these TrollMods learn from Bush's obvious failure after Katrina is to bury anyone telling the truth about his threat to our welfare. Nevermind the sound advice in my post about distributing your encrypted identity info. No, the only point that counts in my post is that I mentioned the reality that Bush is still in charge, so none of us are safe. And a horde of TrollMods rush in to defend the illusion of Bush's reputation. "Flamebait" indeed: where are the flames? Even the people who disagreed with me were able to exercise adult selfcontrol. TrollMods who need to suppress the appearance of the truth on their screens, not so much.

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    11. Re:Global Secret Distribution by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      Ahh, genius at work. The new FEMA head isn't just some "Bush crony" he's the former Miami-Dade emergency management big wig, and I'd rather have someone from there running the show than from 99.99% of the rest of the country. Because, despite all of the jokes about Florida not being able to vote, the one thing we are good at is dealing with natural disasters of the hurricane variety.

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    12. Re:Global Secret Distribution by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Paulison is a pet of the Bush family. Sure, he's got Florida disaster experience, so he's not just a crony. But he's the guy recommending duct tape vs. bioweapons, and stands by bro Jeb touting the combination of FEMA and DHS as "the only way" to protect the USA. Individual incompetents aside, subsuming FEMA under DHS by Paulison's earlier fearless leader Tom Ridge was the biggest contributor to its impotence in the Gulf this year.

      So let's not have any talk about "genius" in defense of Paulison, who will just perpetuate the stupidity that let the Gulf drown last month, especially from a Floridian who's got two Bush regimes, two deep, to answer for. But then, since Paulison's Florida got "extra relief" checks last year before the election from Brown's FEMA, you might be expected to welcome the promotion of the candyman. Just hope your next Cat5 storm doesn't come in an off-election-year like Katrina did.

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  30. Encrypted files by someguy456 · · Score: 1

    I ran into this easy to follow tutorial on setting up encrypted filesystems under linux, including virtual drives through loopback, and also entire devices/partitions/mount points: http://new.remote-exploit.org/index.php/Linux_encr ypt

  31. Use Truecrypt for encryption by Faxmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use Truecrypt (www.truecrypt.org). It's free, open source, and extremely secure (AES, Blowfish, CAST5, Serpent, Triple DES, and Twofish). I use it on my thumbdrive to backup all of my important data.

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  32. Cloned start-up drive by G4from128k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've cloned my start-up drive and all my files onto a 250 GB firewire drive (and several bare IDE HDs stashed in strategic locations). Given that I can order a new computer by 2 AM Eastern and have it delivered the same morning, I can be back in business in no time. I like cloned drives because you can retain all the OS and user preferences.

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    1. Re:Cloned start-up drive by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      Full Backups, and tested Bare Metal Restores?

      Nutjob.

      What, don't you crave "Excitement"?

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    2. Re:Cloned start-up drive by surprise_audit · · Score: 1

      I swap disk space with a friend on a different continent. Any disaster that takes out *both* our systems probably isn't survivable by institutions that would care about our scanned docs...

    3. Re:Cloned start-up drive by real_smiff · · Score: 1

      how do you make cloned system drives start reliably on different hardware? (talking about Windows here mostly). e.g. if one machine is AMD, one Intel, or one single processor, the other multi-core? this is just something i was wondering about in relation to backup.

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    4. Re:Cloned start-up drive by JaxGator75 · · Score: 1
      In a pinch, you just boot to safe mode. That's not even necessary, though, since Winddows will work after several "Found New Hardware" dialog boxes. Not good enough to play Half Life 2, but good enough to salvage your personal info.

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    5. Re:Cloned start-up drive by nCnt++ · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It never ceases to amaze me when people include venders in their disaster recover plan. Do you think NewEgg is going to give a rat's ass about Timmy, who needs a new PC sent to refugee camp #14, north of the big smoldering crater, when Citi Bank, State Farm, the National Guard,... are ordering hardware in blocks of 100 and paying 10 times market value.

      I've heard the same distorted, egocentric behavior from IT managers in DRP meetings over and over. Back up in 24 hours my ass.

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  33. USB Stick by patrickclay · · Score: 1

    I hope you don't plan on copying the information once it's put on your flash card... :)

  34. Flash secondary Pack a weapon you know how to use by HornWumpus · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    You live in NYC (your masters don't allow you guns without seeing the city proctologist first).

    Which norrows your choices of weapons.

    Perhaps a sling (if you have the time to practice).

    I'm not sure about the legal status of black powder in NYC.

    I'm also not sure about you status as a law abider, should you be on the smart side I'd suggest something in forty cal.

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  35. contents by egburr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's what I can think of off the top of my head...

    Social Security cards
    Driver's licenses
    Recent photos, head only and full body (clothed!)
    Passports
    Contact info of relatives, friends
    Vehicle registration
    Birth certificates
    Wedding license
    Property deeds
    Will
    Living will
    Account and contact information: banks, credit cards, utilities, insurance (health, house, car), mortgages, loans

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    Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
    1. Re:contents by MickLinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Add in diplomas, as many different PDF resumes as jobs you might be interested in, 1 PDF CV each, baptismal certificates... ... working copies of MS Word and MS Excel, a simple text editor, Acrobat Reader, viruses, worms, trojan horses, Windows .DLL files, and ...

      all of which leads me to the following question.

      Why not just upload encrypted versions of this info to your YAHOO mail, and have it there in a folder "personal stuff", as attachments? That way, you don't depend on just the USB drive? Yeah, the USB would also be good for redundancy, but the easiest access is probably by YAHOO mail, and it automatically scans for malware as it goes.

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    2. Re:contents by Snar+Bloot · · Score: 0

      Why Yahoo?

    3. Re:contents by RedVortex · · Score: 1

      Mind if I borrow your tagline ? It's the best explanation to give to a smoker that I've seen yet. RedVortex

    4. Re:contents by egburr · · Score: 1

      feel free. I borrowed it from someone else. never found the original author though.

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      Edward Burr
      Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
    5. Re:contents by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'd also include the following.

      • Street-level maps of the city and surrounding regions.
      • Medical history, for those with medical issues.
      • Any actual medications that have a decent enough shelf life to store for a while.
      • A pair of contacts or glasses if you need them.
      • Dust mask (at least).
      • Minimal first aid kit.
      • As an amateur radio operator I would definitely have a repeater guide to access repeaters while traveling. It's a sure thing the cell service will be down or overloaded. I'd also include a small wide-band receive transceiver, like the Yaesu VX-2R.
      • You know those kinetic flashlights we see advertised here at Slashdot by ThinkGeek all the time? Definitely one of those.
      • Ditto with a human-powered radio.
      • Some sort of food (granola bars at least).
      • A water purifier. There are water purifiers that are like a thick straw. You can put it in any water source and as you suck water through the "straw" it is purified.
      • A couple "space blankets".
      • A hard-copy of War of the Worlds. Putting it on the USB drive doesn't count.


        Dan East
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    6. Re:contents by egburr · · Score: 1

      The original quote was something like this, if I remember right:

      Think about it...
      Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant kinda like having a peeing section in a swimming pool?

      I had to shorten and paraphrase it to squeeze it into /.'s sig length limit.

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      Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
    7. Re:contents by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 1

      another important item would be passwords and logins to things that might be useful (ie computers with more data passwords your wife might not know etc.)

      I have always wondered what would happen to all my data on my computers if I died suddenly. There is a lot of important personal info that my family might like to have just in case.

    8. Re:contents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just pack a gun and a lot of ammo. Then find someone else who did pack the actual emergency supplies and _ask_ for them.

    9. Re:contents by Chimera512 · · Score: 1

      i wouldn't trust those straw thinkness prufiers with my life. i'd get some polar pure since that works chemically not just with a cabon filter deal like those straws probably will. doesn't taste too bad either. the kenetic flashlight's a good idea, could just get a solar powered one...

    10. Re:contents by karnal · · Score: 1

      Just make sure that solar powered flashlight has batteries in it, or you'll be f'd when the sun goes down.

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    11. Re:contents by griffjon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For most of these documents, I don't think a scanned copy is going to do jack shit for you.

      Scenario A: The world is totally fucked -- having a scan of your 8 year old DL and passport, plus three litres of pure water, can trade for a pack of smokes.

      Scenario B: The world's fine, but your house is destroyed -- w00t. You have a scanned copy of your passport. Try to use that anywhere. Try to use a scanned copy of your birth certificate to get a new passport. Ain't nuthin doin. Maybe --MAYBE-- if there's some change in rules to enable similar people in your situation, but since most of 'em won't have scanned copies anyhow, what's the point?

      The real lesson here is not to digitize and encrypt your documents, but to keep them in a centralized location in your house (preferably that's small, waterproof, and fireproof), so you can grab 'em in a hurry, and/or if you have to leave them (at work when the shit hits the fan?), they have a decent chance of survival.

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    12. Re:contents by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Interesting
      [snip list of documents]

      All neat stuff, all very valuable - but in a scanned form of absolutely zero legal validity.

      The real answer isn't techno-wizardry and gadgetry - it's organization and clear thinking. All of my important documents are on paper, in ziplocs, and under lock and key in fire-resistant storage. (And unlike the NYT article implies - I'll have the presence of mind to grab the papers before departing. OTOH, unlike the average citizen I'm trained to keep my head on in a life threatening emergency courtesy of Uncle Sam's Canoe Club.)

    13. Re:contents by thesnarky1 · · Score: 1

      Incidentally, why include the vehicle registration? We're talking shit-hits-the-fan bad here, I'ma assume the mods flip and burn my car. And property? Have you seen riots recently? NYC is toast baby.

    14. Re:contents by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      As far as file format go I would go for RTF over Word format and if you only have data in your spreadsheets (as opposed to equations and images), then plain old CSV should do the job. Remember you want the lowest common denominator, so that you can read your files, with whatever hardware is available.

      The question to be asked is what sort of emergency are you preparing for. Only then could you decide to what extremes to go. For example, is it just leaving a city in a hurry, dealing with a nation wide disaster or something else?

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    15. Re:contents by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Because, as any seasoned, hardcore survivalist will tell you, you can't necessarily count on having internet access. Or electricity.

      You want paper copies, USB copies, and your Yahoo Mail copy.

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      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    16. Re:contents by babyrat · · Score: 1

      Gee whiz - I'd like to see the USB drive that could hold all that stuff!!!

      Makes the old 'Bag of Holding' seem a little bulky by comparison.

    17. Re:contents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what if he's in this situation because of the uprising of the machines and they blacken the sky.

      then what good will his solar powered light be, kinetic is definetly more practical.

    18. Re:contents by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      In the medical kit, have superglue and strong needle/thread. Good for closing wounds and general repairs. I also keep a small tube of germoline. Keep this kit in good order, as people tend to dive in, take a plaster and leave the kit depleted. I dont keep perscription drugs in my kit, its quite dangerous to have that sort of thing administered without medical supervision.

      Get a radio that takes AA batteries, and use waterproof solar charger. If you make the radio an iRiver with UMS, thats your USB storage dealt with too.

      Fishing line + hooks.
      Knife handaxe + sharpening stone are useful.
      Gas lighter (petrol ones eveporate fuel)
      Dry sack, for keeping electronics and clothes dry.
      Tin foil (for cooking and protecting electronics from EMP).

      Foodwise, see if you can keep a bag of rice in your kit, perhaps keep it in your water bottle to make things smaller.
      Dont bother about cooking equipment, apart from a pot for boiling water.
      The best way to purify water is to filter it and boil for 5 minutes. This wont get rid of toxic chemicals, so be careful about where you collect it.

      Getting more exotic, a map on a silk scarf is better than paper. You can use the scarf as a filter, mask, sunhat, sling, and even wipe your self off if it still seems clean enough.

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    19. Re:contents by ObitMan · · Score: 1

      WOuldn't the ziploc's melt in case of a fire?

      My home safe is fire rated for 1hr at 1700F

      internal temps can get to 120 ~ 250.

      Unless of course you have a media safe designed to keep plastic media from melting.

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    20. Re:contents by sigmoid_balance · · Score: 1

      You dont need any of these. Just take a towel with you.

    21. Re:contents by dajak · · Score: 1


      Social Security cards
      Driver's licenses
      Recent photos, head only and full body (clothed!)
      Passports
      Contact info of relatives, friends
      Vehicle registration
      Birth certificates
      Wedding license
      Property deeds
      Will
      Living will
      Account and contact information: banks, credit cards, utilities, insurance (health, house, car), mortgages, loans


      Make sure you insure yourself with an insurance company with little exposure to the disaster. Japanese maybe? Mortgage and loans on the other hand should be only with local banks that will go out of business.

      Since I live in the Netherlands, which is a small country and largely below sea-level, and I have no family above sea level at all, I will fake an identity with lots of German and Scandinavian ancestors. I also have an inflatable boat and a 1 bar hand pump on the attic, and a bow and arrows (no guns allowed here). Taking some dead children floating around with me on the boat and pretending they are my own will make me more cuddly. I will destroy any photos and information identifying me before I leave. I don't think I will need a USB stick. I will only take my MP3 player with some German audiobooks on it.

    22. Re:contents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute... let's mitigate some risk here...
      Why would you want your social security card in there? Many people have that memorized. Even if you do not, what use will it be? Are you planning to apply for credit and planning to have no access to other credit information? Besides, the federal government can always reissue with time.

      Recent photo of yourself is generally not useful when you have your passport and driver's license. Presumably you will be carrying your stuff and know what you look like.

      Why take your birth certificate? I beleive you were indeed born. It may be useful for proving citizenship, but you have your driver's license and passport and, like SSN you can have the state government reissue that.

      Why take your wedding license. If you tell me you are married I will beleive you. Like other documents, you can get this reissued. It is not like people are going to be enforcing the old cohabitation laws during a disaster!

      I would include diplomas/certifications if they are affected by the hypothetical disaster. For example, if you went to high school locally, then your diploma may not survive a local disaster nor may the granting institution.

    23. Re:contents by O.W.M · · Score: 1

      There is a lot of important personal info that my family might like to have just in case.

      And probably even more you absolutely _don't_ want your family to find...

    24. Re:contents by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 1

      I feel full disclosure is the way to go once your dead. It will make your biography that much more spicy... "Oh Johnathan our baby is dead but look at all these amazing short stories that were never published... so beautiful... my god... and what is a 100GB folder labeled 'pr0n'? What does that mean? Well Susan I don't know maybe its beat poetry or something. Lets look."

    25. Re:contents by N-S+Equations · · Score: 1

      I will take my chances with my towel thank you very much!

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    26. Re:contents by djdole · · Score: 1

      All you really need to include are

      1024 Japanese schoolchildren to memmorize 1s & 0s.
      1 Richard Dean Anderson as McGuyver for everything else.

      If McGuyver dies then most likely you've been dead long before him, and at that point don't care about your data.

      Oh...and a pair of shears to defend yourself from the 80s McGuyver super-mullet.

    27. Re:contents by lowid+(24)+_________ · · Score: 1

      A hard-copy of War of the Worlds. Putting it on the USB drive doesn't count.

      Fuck that. I'll take my hard copy of Lord of the Flies, thank you very much. Way more useful.

    28. Re:contents by egburr · · Score: 1
      Maybe I was able to use my car to get out of the disaster area. It'd be nice to have proof (although not official, at least enough to pursue the official version) that I own it. As for property, even if my house is completely demolished, I still own the parcel of land it is on. I may want to rebuild on or just sell it, and proof (not official, blah, blah...) that it's mine would be useful. In the event that the official records are destroyed, such documentation may be determined to be acceptible as proof.

      Just because the shit-hits-the-fan doesn't mean there will be no recovery afterward. After all, it looks like a lot of fools are planning to move right back into New Orleans to rebuild and wait for the next hurricane to hit.

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      Edward Burr
      Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
    29. Re:contents by instarx · · Score: 1

      IN addition to your list of what to take in a bugout:

      DNA samples from you and all your family members (hair is fine).
      Scans of dental x-rays on your USB drive.
      Prescription list and other medication information (dosage, frequency, etc)
      List of drug and food allergies (on paper as well as on the USB drive)
      Basic medical histories

  36. If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by reality-bytes · · Score: 1

    If there's a thermonuclear attack (classical nuclear war type) then your website, computer, usb thumbdrive etc should be the least of your worries.

    Even if your many miles from g-zero the EMP from the airburst will pretty much write-off all your solid-state gear.

    I'd think about stocking up the bits to build a vac tube radio (assuming anyone at the transmitting end has simmilar brains).

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    1. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.

      The theoretical electromagnetic pulse effect would hypothetically be created by a multimegaton nuclear explosion in suborbital space in which a massive burst of hard radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere. This is pure science fiction.

      In real life, the electrical-magnetic coupling effect of a hard radiation burst from a nuclear explosion is all absorbed by the stuff -- buildings, people, air --within the actual blast radius itself. Meaning that if your computer is close enough to a nuclear detonation to be harmed by a voltage spike from an electrical-magnetic couple effect, you will be very disappointed for however many milliseconds it takes for your computer to be reduced to atoms by the blast.

    2. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by pyrrhonist · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The theoretical electromagnetic pulse effect would hypothetically be created by a multimegaton nuclear explosion in suborbital space in which a massive burst of hard radiation interacts with the upper atmosphere. This is pure science fiction.

      If it's pure science fiction, then why does the U.S. MILSTAR/NESP communication system have an operation mode for just such a scenario?

      This is called "scintillation", and is very real.

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    3. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Tharn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed it IS real. The same thing happens from such mundane phenomenon as lightning to a lesser extent. My work used to involve design of systems connected across as much as much as 20 miles by cables and repeaters. EMP (if you want to call it that) from lightning was occasionally a very serious design issue. IIRC, expected EMP from an high altitude nuclear device is expected to be on the order of 1000 times the magnitude of our problems with lightning. 'course, the above neither proves nor even adresses the reality of nuclear EMP - its just meant to sound like it does.

    4. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by feamsr00 · · Score: 1

      That a pretty good idea, don't forget to build a vac tube TV while your at it, oh and make sure you store all those parts nice and safe in a large underground vault, oh you know what, just put your family and maybe a few families there too while your at it. And wait, oh i don't know, about 80 years or so for the background radiation to fade and the fallout to settle...

      (oh and make sure there's plenty of water too, you don't want to have to go out early and risk having your bones scraped clean by the desolate winds)

    5. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just what exactly do you think a CRT is, hmm? solid state?

    6. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Never forget to have a trusty dog by your side, and perhaps a minigun or at least that H&K caseless thingy. I'd suggest skipping the number 13 in any ordering system. Oh what the heck it could be a good time.

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    7. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by keraneuology · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.

      Let's start out with:

      The existence of the electromagnetic pulse has been known since the 1940's when nuclear weapons were being developed and tested. However, because of lack of data, the effects of an EMP were not fully known until 1962. At this time, the United States was conducting a series of high-altitude atmospheric tests, code named "Fishbowl." The nuclear explosion, "Starfish Prime," which was detonated in the Pacific Ocean 800 miles from Hawaii, caused an EMP that disrupted radio stations and electrical equipment throughout Hawaii. Consequently, in 1963, the United States and the Soviet Union signed the Atmospheric Test Ban Treaty to counter the considerable threat posed by EMPs. Unfortunately, the destructive potential of an EMP increases everyday as society becomes evermore technological because of an escalating dependence on electronics.

      Don't forget to review the US Army Corps of Engineers.

      You can google and wiki more on your own.

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    8. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 1

      and Tesla Coils are quite capable of knocking out AM in a fairly large radius...

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    9. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people who authoritatively could answer you, cannot.

      Without going into any detail, and you can veryify this from unclassified data available on the web, EMP has been observed and is quite real.

    10. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 3, Informative
      I don't know where you people get these wacky ideas. EMP is a myth, propagated by science fiction and kept alive by idiots like yourself.


      EMP effects were observed at a distance of 1500 km during the Starfish Prime test blast. Quoting the linked article:

      the EMP created by the explosion was felt as three hundred street lights failed, television sets and radios malfunctioned, burglar alarms went off and power lines fused.


      This was in 1962, so we're talking about vacuum tubes and electro-mechanical systems. Modern semiconductors would be significantly more sensitive to EMP effects.
    11. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      I don't think the blast would need to be at a high altitude. You would probably get a serious level of EMP damage from a ground-level damage though with a shorter radius. Equipment can be shielded from EMP, but this is not particularly easy, and I don't know what would be required to have continuous operation throughout an attack (I am not sure if this is even possible).

      If you are worried about EMP, the first rule is unplug your computer before the bomb goes off...

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    12. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by xs650 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unplugging is a good first step, if that's all you can do. Strong EMP will induce currents in electronic circuitry stong enough to fry much solid state electronics.

    13. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Lucractius · · Score: 1

      which is why some day i want to take a cubic meter of intel cpus and then fry them from the inside with some high powered tesla coil / Explosively Pumped Flux Compression Generator hybrid/combination.

      Im hoping some of the pins melt!

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    14. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      Unplugging is a good first step, if that's all you can do. Strong EMP will induce currents in electronic circuitry stong enough to fry much solid state electronics.

      True but if the case is metal and ungrounded, it should provide some protection. It might still cause some damage depending on how far you are away from the epicenter.

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    15. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      I don't know where the idea that it is called "scintillation" came from but I think that's a bit off. The EMP is not the major worry in a HANE event (high altitude nuclear explosion). That will cause immediate damage and problems yes but the major effect will be the saturation of the earth's van allen belts with high energy electrons for potentially MONTHS afterward. In fact the HANE tests of the '50's created new radiation belts around earth where there were none before! It is calculated that a single small (destroy virtually all satellites in LEO.

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    16. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm my last sentance got chopped off so here is the link to the SciAm article it originally contained. That last sentance was supposed to read: "It is calculated that a single small (10KTon) HANE would destroy virtually all satellites in LEO."

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    17. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by kabloie · · Score: 1

      Scintillation is a regular ionospheric phenomenon that occurs at sharp plasma boundaries. These develop under strong subauroral polarization streams or equatorial spread-F. Happens all the time and no wonder the milsats go into a low datarate mode when the effects are detected. The mode you are describing is very likely not for what you think.

    18. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Sure, but what about the rest of it?

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    19. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by MMaestro · · Score: 1
      This was in 1962, so we're talking about vacuum tubes and electro-mechanical systems. Modern semiconductors would be significantly more sensitive to EMP effects.

      Or for the tech dummies/Cold War survivors, if a 1960s nuclear device had effects of 1500 km, imagine how far an early 2000 nuclear device could reach. Also, don't forget Starfish Prime was an experiment and was never intended to actually 'disable' Hawaii so chances are the local citizens were warned and somewhat prepared. (Chances are they probably detonated too high for maximum effect in order to prevent radiation poisoning.)

    20. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scintillation is due mainly to the presence of post-blast particulate matter in the air. The first effect is simple attenuation caused by the need to "push" a signal thru this matter.
      This could be overcome by power. The second effect would be due to the signal being distorted by the energy emanating from this matter. Supposedly the frequency range covered by this energy would include that used by the satellite communications equipment, effectively interfering with (jamming) the signal. The methods used to overcome this are not for a public forum.

    21. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EMP was observed in the Pacific after a nuclear test in I believe the 50s - blackouts far away from the test site, beyond all other effects of the blast. It wasn't until the 1980s that they had an explanation for it. Science fiction writers didn't adopt the idea until AFTER it had been reported in the scientific literature.

    22. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by roadrunnerro · · Score: 1

      A Gauss rifle and some power armor might be better

    23. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Inoen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The Soviet airforce didn't seem to think so during the cold war. The Mig-25 jet fighter entered service in 1969 and had some unusual equipment on board. The majority of the electronics was made with vacuum tubes instead of transistors. To better withstand the EMP.

      From Wikipedia:

      The majority of the on-board avionics was based on vacuum tube technology, not solid-state electronics. Though the Mig-25's electronics were ridiculed in the West, many experts found it ingenious and quite practical to use vacuum tubes as they were less suceptible to radiation compared to transistor technology in case of nuclear warfare

    24. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lack of imagination here. If you detonate a small nuclear weapon high up in the atmosphere, (rather than near the ground) it'll likely not hurt people much, but disrupt the infrastructure to no end. This can be quite useful, and since people are (hopefully) not hurt much, it might be something that'll become more acceptable in warfare over time.

    25. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Unplugging is a good first step, if that's all you can do. Strong EMP will induce currents in electronic circuitry stong enough to fry much solid state electronics.

      Well, you can always put the device into a Faraday cage - essentially an all metal box. If the device is already in a metal box it may survive. Computers with an all aluminum or steel case are going to be more likely to survive than those with plastic cases and clear windows on the side. If you don't have an all metal box handy, I suppose you could try putting the computer into a microwave oven, as the casing and door are going to protect the computer from microwave and longer radiation.

      With a USB thumbdrive, an Altoids tin would be a cheap and easy way to protect the drive from EMP.

    26. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Jaseoldboss · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's caused by massive electron migration away from the blast which produces a huge current. The EMP effect is strongest at the edge of the atmosphere where there is space to the upper side of the weapon or at ground level where the earth prevents any movement of electrons. In the middle the movement of electrons is symmetrical and cancels itself out.

      It's in the High energy weapons FAQ somewhere (sorry working you'll have to find it :-) http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/

    27. Re:If there's a (thermo)nuclear attack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're coming for you, Mr. Freeman.

  37. Re:Best idea by a11 · · Score: 0

    thumbs up to that comment. ughh... my thumbs smell funny.

  38. Waterproof Flash Drive -Amazing New Technology by pyro_peter_911 · · Score: 1

    How would you protect the flash drive if you had to swim for it? There's this cool new waterproofing technology called the ziploc bag. This technology can also give flash drives a positive buoyancy, just in case _it_ has to swim for it and leave your foundering ass behind.

    Peter

    1. Re:Waterproof Flash Drive -Amazing New Technology by cirby · · Score: 1

      Some of the smaller flash drives and memory sticks will fit quite nicely in a 35mm film canister.

      The larger flash drives will go into an empty aspirin bottle.

    2. Re:Waterproof Flash Drive -Amazing New Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would you protect the flash drive if you had to swim for it? There's this cool new waterproofing technology called the ziploc bag. This technology can also give flash drives a positive buoyancy, just in case _it_ has to swim for it and leave your foundering ass behind.

      Wow, your smart ass tone may have been warranted if only you were correct..see there's this thing called osmosis and it happens to occur with ziploc bags left in contact with water for as little as 24 hrs...thanks to my high school teacher for demonstrating this way back..hope you've learned something as well....if you don't believe me, put some colored water in a bucket, put a paper towel in the ziploc bag and leave it there overnight...guarantee the paper towel is the color of the water next day.

  39. Safe Deposit Box? by LlamaDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technology isn't the answer to everything. Why not just take your important stuff, or good copies of said stuff, and put it in a safe deposit box? Then you just have to take your key with you when you run out of your house. And even if you lose your key, they can drill it open for a (hefty) fee.

    Really, why make it so complex by trying to put everything on USB drive and trying to figure out what encryption's best and scanning everything and...and...and... It's a waste of time.

    1. Re:Safe Deposit Box? by bhadreshl · · Score: 1

      Because this is Slashdot
      We love to use techMology

    2. Re:Safe Deposit Box? by bergeron76 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The problem here is when you run out of checks, you now have to go to your bank to get them out of your safe deposit box.

      Err, wait a minute...

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    3. Re:Safe Deposit Box? by DownTheLongRoad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We are having problems with this in New Orleans. Many of the local banks were in 8 feet of water, well aboe the highest boxes in the vaults. A disaster hits those places as well. If the building holding the safe deposit box is ruined, you won't be able to get to your box for a long time and your things may be ruined as well.

    4. Re:Safe Deposit Box? by surprise_audit · · Score: 1

      I guess the moral of the story is, if you're going to use a safe deposit box, get one big enough to hold a waterproof plastic container with all your stuff... Yeah, 20/20 hindsight and all that.

    5. Re:Safe Deposit Box? by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about pillaging. If a major catastrophy occurs, it won't be long before the banks get pillaged.

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  40. Expect Murphy's Law by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1
    if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen

    I know it's terribly superstitious, but this is an excellent mindset to be in when you're in a position of responsibility (especially when you're feeling somewhat lazy). After all, the thing that goes wrong always seems to be the thing you forgot to plan for, or deliberately ignored, right?

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  41. I like TrueCrypt... by jbarr · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's for Windows only, but I stumbled upon TrueCrypt found at http://www.truecrypt.org/ and really like it. And it's not only useful for USB drives, but can be used to create encrypted logical drives on a Hard Drive. For the really paranoid, the documentation even covers lots of stealthy ways to use it so as not to be detected.

    I'm certainly no expert at encryption, but it seems pretty solid. Basically, it creates an encrypted container file and then mounts it as a logical drive when you open the file through the app. I've seen commercial counterparts such as StealthDisk, and I think TrueCrypt's interface is easier to use and its execution is more solid.

    It's OSS and free as in beer and as in speech.

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    1. Re:I like TrueCrypt... by snark23 · · Score: 1

      This can be done on Linux too... Google for 'encrypted filesystem linux'. For the extra paranoid, you can then encrypt the resulting filesystem-in-a-file with your encryption of choice, burn it to a DVD, smash it in to little pieces, and swallow it. Datalicious!

    2. Re:I like TrueCrypt... by Burz · · Score: 1

      My main distro, Xandros Linux, lets me AES encrypt my home folder automatically.

      Same with my other system, Mac OS X.

      Hey I wonder if TrueCrypt runs under WINE? ;-)

  42. [INSERT SUBJECT HERE] by NanoGator · · Score: 1

    I'm a 3D artist. My resume is my demo reel. As a result, I keep all the work I've done (i.e. 3D objects, textures, animations, etc..) plus I have uncompressed .AVIs I can quickly compose a demo reel of. There are gigabytes of info here. I have to keep that data around. If my apartment was suddenly destroyed, I'd be in trouble. So, yeah, I want to keep that data around and today a flash drive (today) won't do it. So what am I to do? Well, these recent hurricanes have me thinking about this problem. Newegg has USB 2.0 enclosures for laptop drives. For $100ish, you can get an 80 gig laptop drive. If you have about $120 to spend, this may not be a bad alternative for those with gigs of data they don't want to lose. I'm actually kicking around the idea of packaging one up and sending it to my family. They live in another state so it's unlikely we'd both have our homes wiped out. For somebody in my position.. well actually I should start on that tonight.

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  43. I've been putting together a similar kit... by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

    But in mine, I put laminated copies of those documents, or in the case of the passport, it's in dual plastic baggies. I'd hate to be in a setting like the N.O. Superdome and have to say, does anyone have a computer that I can copy my electronic data onto?

    No thanks. Some things are too important for that.

    Now, for the post-crisis management phase, it makes perfect sense - assuming your usb keychain drive survives the journey back to your parents' house.

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    1. Re:I've been putting together a similar kit... by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, as to some of the information you should take:

      VIN numbers, jewelry serial numbers, serial numbers of any insured items, etc..

      Also, you might want to include important phone numbers - many people these days don't memorize important numbers, they just store them blindly in their cell phones. I'd include, family numbers, insurance company phone numbers, local hospital phone numbers, etc.

      You also need personal information: Blood Types of yourself and your spouse/kids; social security numbers, etc.

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  44. Re:Another item for the kit... by mikelieman · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry to hear you live in NYC, were even such a *sensible* choice of a Winchester Lever in .38/.357 requires permitting and suchlike.

    I'm a big fan of that caliber in lever actions, btw... 50 round boxes are cheap ( unlike deer calibers ) and it's still pretty dang useful for holding off the savages...

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  45. Why a flash drive? by Wonko · · Score: 2, Informative

    they suggest making a list of all of things like Social Security and credit card numbers, scanning birth certificates, marriage license and tax returns, and saving it all on a USB flash drive.

    Why not just use a CD (full size, or 180 meg)? They are cheaper and more durable than a flash drive. Before I had my new, larger, flash drive I used to carry a 50 meg business card CD in my wallet. It would have to be replaced every 3-6 months from being repeatedly sat on :). I would imagine they would hold up better outside of the pocket, though :).

    Since this would be a complete identity kit, encryption is of utmost importance. What's the best solution? A flash drive that claims to encrypt or a platform-independent, self-extracting, encrypted file on a regular drive?

    I wouldn't use the software that comes with the drive. If I were doing this I would use GNU Privacy Guard. You should probably store the key in a safe location far away from home, and preferably with a strong passphrase.

    Any suggestions for sturdy drives?

    I currently have a PQI I-Stick. I have only had it about a year so far and I haven't doen anything stupid with it yet. It mostly just sits in my wallet in its little wallet case. I very much prefer keeping my flash drive in my wallet as opposed to my keychain. I also like that the little wallet insert will hold two drive. The only thing I dislike is that the wallet holder is so much thicker than the drive.

    What other data would you put on this piece of "contingency hardware",

    I have all of my revision control repositories mirrored to my flash drive and also any documentation or notes that I write. That is basically everything that I created myself and would have to do work to replace.

    how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

    I would probably make sure the data was out of town before I was. Most of this data either doesn't change often (credit card numbers), or it never changes (SSN, birth certificates). Encrypt it, put it on some media of some sort, and send it out of town. Most people probably have friends or family living out of town that they can trust, send it to them. If this is not an option for you, you can probably get a box at a bank out of town I suppose...

  46. paper & data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having just gone through this with Hurricane Rita, I filled a duffel bag with all the pertinent hard copies and emailed all my data files and insurance pictures to my own Gmail account.

  47. Well by carguy84 · · Score: 0

    I wrap my USB Flash Drive in bubble gum, then swallow it...saves for 7 years right inside me. Then when it digests, lather, rinse, repeat. Chip-

  48. Ask Jason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put a complete set of identifying documents on microfilm, and embed it under your skin. Doesn't even have to be your identity, as long as it's complete.

    Just don't go to the Mediterranean is all.

  49. Lots of missing information... by rcbarnes · · Score: 3, Informative

    How immediate is the need for access to the information? The stronger the solution, the slower the access for the most part. Something that needs to be immediately accessable will need to be bundled with proper decryption tools (assume nothing better than Windows 95 will be available) on-stick.

    Also related: what operating system are you using? Under Linux, you could use a loopback encrypted filesystem, for example, but under windows such would not be viable.

    Are we assuming that the computer will be destroyed, or that we need to stick to a pure-RAM access system to prevent residue on the hard drive from being intercepted?

    Are you willing to trust a corperate product for ease-of-use concerns?

    Finally, how are you securing your original documents? Might it just be as easy to grab an organized safe-box as keep all the digital security on a digital form? Keep in mind that only origial copies are good for anything beyond having a reference point to start receiveing replacement copies of your stuff.

    One more thing: How much of this is overkill? Keep in mind how cheap and simple it is to acquire copies of an arbitrary person's complete identifying information (I often see ways to do it under two hundred dollars, including original copies of all the usual certificates and plastic cards, which would cost less for a professional). A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and in this case, with just some reasonable precaution, the path of least cost and difficulty is through more common means of aqusition than stealing a thumbdrive.

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  50. why not gmail? by sdedeo · · Score: 1

    Why bother with a flash USB when you can just gmail the material to yourself? If you're paranoid, encrypt it beforehand, but I doubt someone who broke into google is going to poke inside your PDF attachments. Come on, someone must have said it already? Mod me redundant!

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  51. Hmmm.. by Kuku_monroe · · Score: 1

    What would Batman put in his Bat-usb-flash-drive?

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  52. Why not make another backup on CD/DVD? by root_dev_X · · Score: 1

    If you're really worried about durability, why not make a back up onto a CD-R/DVD-R in addition to your USB drive? They won't fry from static or water exposure, and they're arguably more compatible with PCs (despite the utter ubiquity of the USB drive, you'd be suprised at how many legacy PCs are still rattling around sans USB... especially in lower-level government offices - the sort of place where may someday need to prove your identity).

    I can personally attest to having fried more than one USB flash drive from static buildup alone - enough miles in your pocket or bag with the protective cap off (which unfortunately happens rather frequently) will totally junk the drive. Nevermind the fact that the drives can be pretty fragile - doesn't take much to crush them or damage their USB interface.

    Granted, the CD-R/DVD-R solution isn't perfect. They break, they scratch. But they're definately a worthwhile backup plan for your backup plan. I mean, if your whole aim is to build a universal contingency plan, then it doesn't make much sense to put all your eggs into one (semi-volatile and fragile) basket.

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  53. Re:Flash secondary Pack a weapon you know how to u by Ironsides · · Score: 1

    I'm also not sure about you status as a law abider, should you be on the smart side I'd suggest something in forty cal.

    22s may not have the stopping power of a 45. However, it's easier for people to shoot, with less recoil than a 45 most people, even small women, can shoot it repeatedly without resting. Also the gun itself is lighter. You can still get them in semi-auto with >=10 round clips. And from the point of the attacker, the are just as deadly; assuming they aren't wearing armor (in which case you are generally screwed either way unless you can do a headshot in which it really makes no difference).

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  54. And always remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First pillage, THEN burn!

  55. I wouldn't worry too hard by Cave_Monster · · Score: 1
    FTA ...catches on fire or comes tumbling down in an earthquake?

    I certainly wouldn't be wondering what I should be taking in these instances. I would be more concerned with ensuring the lives of my family and myself were safe. Government agencies, insurance companies, banks and other institutions have all your details on record anyway and shouldn't be too hard to reaquire in the event of a disaster or whatever. Sure you can store things on a USB drive, create photocopies and store them at the bank or any other multitude of methods to protect things but even then it's not always reliable. Those backups can get blown away aswell and then it was all for nothing. Not to mention, a lot of this information can change quite a lot during a lifetime and having to always update it is going to be a real pain, so in the event of a disaster where you have to make a run for it, your records may not be up to date.

    You can't plan disasters so when you put off till tomorrow, updating your credit card numbers, a disaster will strike and you won't have your nice little backup as was intended.

    1. Re:I wouldn't worry too hard by rblum · · Score: 1
      Government agencies, insurance companies, banks and other institutions have all your details on record anyway and shouldn't be too hard to reaquire in the event of a disaster


      Good god, those agencies are slow as molasses when they have nothing else to do. In case of a disaster, the wait is going to be years! Apart from that - if you lose your documents you can't prove who you are

      Plan at least to safeguard that. And skip the "thumbdrive" nonsense. Good old paper copy still works best. Just make sure you can easily access it - so safe deposit might not work, either. (The whole "ID yourself" thing again).

      As for cc's and other things - yes, that's pretty unnecessary once you can ID yourself. If you can remember you had them. (You can get a credit report, but again, that might take a while).

  56. I live in Canada by baylanger · · Score: 0

    If such a thing happen in Canada, imagine!!! No need to carry a flash USB drive, forget it! With our prime minister, I'm already dead.

  57. Homeland Security has web site for you! by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Homeland security has a website called www.ready.gov that has built a whole website about preparing for emergencies. They also have an Emergency Financial First Aid Kit that includes a nice form that consolidates all the personal information you might need in order to get financial services in an emergency.

    After getting the basic emergency kit ready, fill out and print this form and put it in your kit. Then, encrypt it and put save on internet, maybe mail it to your gmail account.

  58. Multiple copies by 3770 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assuming that your stuff is encrypted it should be pretty safe to put it almost anywhere.

    1) Keep the latest copy on your iPod (or equivalent) if you tend to carry it all the time. That way you have it with you in case you can't go home.
    2) Buy an extra USB drive and snail-mail it to your parents out in the boonies for safe keeping.
    3) E-Mail it to yourself on Gmail or equivalent. But then I would double dog encrypt it. You may not want to put your most secret information there. But some of things could certainly go on there.

    I would put all my ID stuff on there, all important papers and contracts, passport. Thumbprints and pictures of each other for the dreadful prospect that you may have to ID each other, or post pictures in the news paper for your partner. If you have any particular features such as a birth mark or a tatoo then it might be clever to take a picture of that as well. Medical records potentially. But you could also walk around and take pictures of your home for insurance purposes. All your important phone numbers and addresses to relatives.

    If you are collecting all this information then you may want to invest the money in a fireproof safe as well.

    Man, I didn't mean to sound so alarmist. I just thought it was a really great question.

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    1. Re:Multiple copies by sparkz · · Score: 1

      Photos for insurance purposes is a good point... my dad took photos of all the books in the house (they have thousands of books) as the insurance company would be unlikely to believe that they had so many books in the first place ... then stashed the photos in the safe... in the master bedroom. Useful, until the house burns down!

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  59. Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What kind of an inane question is this? You don't need any kind of encryption scheme at all. Take the social security card out of your wallet and look at it. It isn't encrypted, is it? Is your birth certificate encrypted? Stock certificates? Deed to your house? Mail from your Life Insurance Company? Driver's License? Sam's Club Card? Whining Yuppies' Guild Gold Membership Card?

    As others have pointed, more politely than I think they needed to, "In case of a nuclear war, nobody's going to give a damn." You'll be struggling just to live. So will everybody around you. Nobody's going to give a damn about your stupid keychain drive with the password to all your porno-sites on it. And if you make it to a part of civilization where you actually get to *use* the damn thing for it's intended purpose, being to recover your life's data, you'll be lucky to find somebody's computer with a compatible document format to read it, let alone figure out how to recover the data from your ultra-secure storage method.

    Get a LIFE!

    1. Re:Just Plain Stupid by jotux · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe no one will give a damn if NYC gets nuked. But if someone breaks into your house and steals the box you keep all your documents in, that would suck. And what if the city has an earthquake and he's evacuated for a few months. If he takes a drive with him for employment/reference/historical purposes and loses it, that would also suck.

      And the reason your social security card/birth certificate/stock certificate aren't encrypted....because you're supposed to keep them in a safe place. Like a safe. So it's only logical that if you want to make them portable in case of emergency, you want to store them in a secure way.

    2. Re:Just Plain Stupid by 3770 · · Score: 1

      What kind of an inane advice is that?

      Is your credit card number encrypted? No?

      By your own reasoning it should be safe for you to post your credit card number on /.

      I'm waiting...

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    3. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1

      Well, duh, keep the USB drive in a safe place, too! How is that less safe than your personal paper documents?

    4. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1

      By *your* reasoning, you should cut your credit card up into tiny splinters. I'm waiting...

    5. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you bothered to fully read his reply. "And the reason your social security card/birth certificate/stock certificate aren't encrypted....because you're supposed to keep them in a safe place. Like a safe. So it's only logical that if you want to make them portable in case of emergency, you want to store them in a secure way." Let me make this clear: The paper versions stay in a safe place. The USB version, which you are MAKING PORTABLE IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, needs to be SECURE WHILE IT IS BEING MOVED in case of LOSS or THEFT. You don't carry a safe around with you.

    6. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Rirath.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ou don't need any kind of encryption scheme at all. Take the social security card out of your wallet and look at it. It isn't encrypted, is it?

      How about we reverse this and wonder why our credit cards and other valuable information AREN'T more secure, so that life wouldn't suck so bad when you lose your wallet/purse. Thankfully, some companies are starting to wise up, but many things are still way too vulnerable.

    7. Re:Just Plain Stupid by djcrook · · Score: 1

      yeah, although the geek in me wants to be ready for the stuff i'd regret not bringing, the marine in me knows that only boots would bring most of the stuff mentioned above.

      the only stuff i'd consider making a pack for would be medical supplies. if you guys want something that would take a little preparation- consider faking an injury and stock up on the vicodin, percocet, and (fill in the blank with your favorite thing that requires a prescription).

      thats the stuff that you might really need in a tight spot, and it will have a post-apocalypse market value no matter where you are...

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    8. Re:Just Plain Stupid by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      the only stuff i'd consider making a pack for would be medical supplies. if you guys want something that would take a little preparation- consider faking an injury and stock up on the vicodin, percocet, and (fill in the blank with your favorite thing that requires a prescription).

      And repeating every few months as the medicine goes stale.

    9. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay, you're both an idiot and an asshole. Congratulations.

      Nobody said anything about a nuclear war, you fucking moron. Nobody's really afraid of a nuclear war any more. What people are afraid of, and with good reason, are things like hurricanes, tsunamis and 9/11s. In the case of a hurricane, you'll have several days' notice; in the case of a tsunami, you'll have hours. In the case of a 9/11, you'll have no warning at all, but if you're a survivor you might want or need to get out of town after the fact. If the attack includes a nuclear or radiological component, you might need to get out of town in order to be safe.

      Hurricane Katrina taught like five million people to be prepared. Here's a guy who's trying to be prepared, and your upbraiding him? You fucking moron. You motherfucking moron.

    10. Re:Just Plain Stupid by 3770 · · Score: 1

      Now you are being illogical. You are arguing with testosterone instead of with your brain.

      How do you figure that my post meant that one should cut ones credit card into tiny splinters? Walk me through the thought process here. It can't be too hard. It is only four lines. Five if you count the sig.

      Can't do it?

      That's what I thought. Now, stop arguing with grown ups.

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    11. Re:Just Plain Stupid by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Most meds last a lot longer than the so-called "expiry dates" on them. {I remember seeing a study on the subject somewhere -- might even have been linked from Slashdot -- but you're old enough to know how to search for stuff for yourselves now.} I'm convinced that the expiry dates are only there so the manufacturers have a reason to keep making more of them. It's the same story with food: I have a fairly ordinary fridge, but I have known stuff keep at least two days and sometimes up to a fortnight beyond the date stamp. Maybe if you were really careless and stored open packets on a radiator or something, then maybe something might go "on the turn" on the date shown. However, I find the dates are conservative to pessimistic.

      The most amusing "expiry date" story I have is a tub of talcum powder which carries a warning to use within 9 months of opening. For crying out loud, it's a crushed-up rock! It's been in the ground for millions of years, as if nine piddling months is going to make a difference?!

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    12. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      Hurricane Katrina taught like five million people to be prepared.

      And in case of Hurricane Katrina hitting New York (he said he's from New York. Out of hurricane territory, in most cases. So I said nuclear war. Excuuuuuse me.) you're *how* much better off with encrypted data than you are with unencrypted data?

    13. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      The USB version, which you are MAKING PORTABLE IN CASE OF EMERGENCY, needs to be SECURE WHILE IT IS BEING MOVED in case of LOSS or THEFT. You don't carry a safe around with you.

      OK, I'll slow down while you catch up. The safe is in case your domicile is robbed (same place where you keep your important paper docs). At disaster time, you take it out of the safe and carry it with you.

    14. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      thats the stuff that you might really need in a tight spot, and it will have a post-apocalypse market value no matter where you are...

      Ah, yes, some perspective! Thank you for making some more points. Yes, folks, once you've been through a *real* emergency, you learn fast what's important and what's not in a crisis. Doing your taxes and proving you're married kinda float to the bottom; food, water, and medical supplies rise to the top. During the Hurricane Katrina response, I didn't see any headlines: "Red Cross rushes 10,000 USB drives and PGP keys to New Orleans to save victim's data."

    15. Re:Just Plain Stupid by Hosiah · · Score: 1
      PS, See what the marine posted upthread. He's thinking right: medicines. That fits in with: basic necessities: food, water, shelter...if I want my personal data back, the US government keeps it safe for me in a database. To claim it, all I need is my fingerprint. I didn't see any headlines during Hurricane Katrina saying, "Red Cross rushes 10,000 USB drives and PGP keys to New Orleans to save victim's data". Marriage certificate? Taxes? The IRS will be happy to send me all the data I need to do my taxes, when the disaster's over.

      Funny, back during the Hurricane fallout, there was a Slashdot story about providing technology assistance to victims, and the sentiment back then was, "How stupid! They need food, water, medicine, and a place to sleep. They have dead bodies in the streets that have to be buried. Leave the tech toys for later." -How soooooon we forget!

    16. Re:Just Plain Stupid by theTerribleRobbo · · Score: 1

      > Re:Just Plain Stupid (Score:5, Insightful)
      > ...
      > You fucking moron. You motherfucking moron.

      (+5, Abusive) - Now _that's_ Panache.

    17. Re:Just Plain Stupid by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      However now after the immediate needs are taken care of, they are having problems with not having all kinds of documents. Many people do not store all thier credit cards in thier wallet. It sure would be a big help to have those to contact your credit card company. Having your insurance policy number would be a big help.

      Hurricane Charley hit just a little north of where I live. In Lee County, we were without power for a week. In Charlotte county, there were places where the land was scoured clean. I knew one guy that got out with the contents of his wallet and a suitcase. His home was gone. There was all sort of major problems getting his life straightened out after that. If he had been able to save more paperwork, he would be much better off.

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    18. Re:Just Plain Stupid by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      I lived in Boston, Mass when Hurricane Gloria hit. New York is not safe from Hurricanes. New York is not safe from Tidal Waves. In fact, New York could even suffer an earthquake. It definately could suffer Blizzards and Ice storms that could severly damge the infrastructure so that the city needs to be evaced.

      If you are evacing, then space is at a premium. One tiny USB flash drive or a filing cabinent? Encryption is just about protecting yourself from identity theft. For a true emergency, I would not recommend anything more complicated than a password protected zip.

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    19. Re:Just Plain Stupid by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      Take the social security card out of your wallet and look at it.
      You mean the card that says "DO NOT carry [this card] with you", and "Protect Your Number and Card to Prevent Their Misuse" (underlined, caps verbatim)?
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  60. errr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about putting your important data somewhere online?

  61. Re:Encryption (blowfish) by lemonjelo · · Score: 2, Informative

    echo '123...testing...123' > test.txt
    openssl enc -bf < test.txt > test.txt.bf
    mv test.txt test.txt.orig
    openssl enc -d -bf < test.txt.bf > test.txt
    diff test.txt.orig test.txt

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    pimtamf
  62. Swim for it... by flogger · · Score: 1

    Personally, getting these things wet isn't that big of an issue. Or maybe I am luckier than the rabbit that didn't loose its foot. I have washed my USB key drive in the washing machine 3 times. Never have I lost any data to the spin cycle. For the record it is a 128 meg Kingston USB drive that our local community college gave out to all students and instructors.

      Well, if you happen to get one wet, I wouldn't plug it in until it dries, and I would do it before it rusts.

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    1. Re:Swim for it... by Bad+to+the+Ben · · Score: 1

      Me too. I left mine in my pants pocket, and sent the pants through the washing machine. It was a Legend brand USB drive, 128 meg.

      I left it sitting on my desk overnight with the cap off to let it dry out, then plugged it in to a computer I didn't care about to test it. Worked like a charm then, and still works like a charm now, 1 year later. The fact that it managed to survive being immersed in a relatively caustic mix of water and detergent makes me think it would do OK in a short dip in the river, as long as your river doesn't act as a tailing stand for the local industrial company.

  63. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "flame" bait indeed...

  64. Correction and warning by springbox · · Score: 1
    I didn't mean to say that the thick plastic drives are cheap; they just aren't as durable as some of the metal cased drives, but they're still more than adequate for most people.

    One warning about some of these drives, though: Stay far away from any PNY stuff. I own two of their drives and recently their quality has been going downhill. I first got one of their USB 1.1 drives, and it was of decent quality. It was enclosed in a thick plastic shell that could (for some reason) slide off, but that wasn't a major concern because overall the drive was rugged. The bigest complaint about it was that you couldn't put it onto a keychain as it was.

    I got their latest revision not too long ago (USB 2.0) and while they fixed the keychain problem, they messed everything else up too. Their drives are now in a THIN plastic casing. VERY thin. The plastic is so thin that they didn't even need to bother cutting out a slit for the LED because it bleeds right through the case! I had one of these for around a month until the area around the connector snapped making the drive very hard to use.

    These drives seem to be common in CompUSA and Wal-Mart just so you know.

  65. Use email, not a USB key by TallGuyRacer · · Score: 1

    Take your file(s), zip them with a password and email them to yourself. That way:
    1. You don't have to remember to grab your USB key or worry about breaking it.
    2. You can access your important information anywhere that has an internet connection (I assume that the email account is a web based one).
    3. If your email account has a descent password and your zip file has a descent but different password, your data should be pretty safe from bad guys.

    1. Re:Use email, not a USB key by slazzy · · Score: 1

      Good idea to give the zip file an uninteresting sounding name "cat_photos.zip" that way no body will even bother to look. just don't call them "pussy_photos.zip" :)

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  66. not exactly OT but... by urbster1 · · Score: 0

    what are some good sites for portable usb apps?

  67. non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty tough by saitoh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hadn't thought of the otterbox (nice idea, makes sense). If your really trying to prep for something like this, consider making a non-magnetic copy also. While the odds of an EMP type disaster killing the drive (especially if stashed in a safe place) are slim, so are the odds of a nuclear disaster I guess.

    Consider burning it to a CDR also. This is stuff that might have to be updated once a year (such as deeds or photos/contacts) anyway, so its not like the age of the media and deterioration will be a big problem.

    A rule of thumb I've learned is that if your planning for stuff that occurs more then 2 standard deviations away from the mean, then chances are you want something that is (or can at least be considered virtually) full-proof. At the very least, the odds of all of the combined methods together have a lesser chance of failing then the original threat does of occuring.

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  68. Great cartoon on "Evacuation Plans" - don't miss by toby · · Score: 1
    Tom Tomorrow's This Modern World: The Department of Homeland Security Presents... Evacuation Plans for Major American Cities. Featuring our New Mascots, Fluffy the Preparedness Bunny and Happy the Readiness Mouse!

    Have you Voted NO yet?

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  69. get an on-line backup service by idlake · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of on-line backup services. Not only do they let you store you data, they also give you web-based access if you like. A simple solution is Apple's .Mac, but there are others. You can automate the backup so that you don't have to keep things up to date by hand.

  70. THats not geeky enough by alex4u2nv · · Score: 0

    What members on slashdot will do is: build and deploy a satelite that cannot be GPS tracked to orbit around a random planet in another galaxy, with a 2^267709 bit encrypted drive storing the photos of their favourite pornstars.

    They will spam all Nigerians with their SSN / CC# and birthpapers.

    1. Re:THats not geeky enough by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1
      build and deploy a satelite that cannot be GPS tracked to orbit around a random planet in another galaxy

      Given that it's Global Positioning System, not Universal Positioning System, I think your satellite is likely to be safe.

  71. Encrypt it and mail it to yourself by mdlbear · · Score: 1
    Specifically, encrypt it using GPG or whatever your preference is, and e-mail it to your accounts on a bunch of free services like gmail. Post it to something like livejournal, in a private post. Spread it around -- it's encrypted.

    Save your keyring by encrypting it separately, using a long but easy-to-remember passphrase. I use openssl and AES.

    A more thoroughgoing solution is to give every file you want to preserve an unguessable ID, and use that as the passphrase for that document. Use a hash (SHA-1, typically) of the ID as the "name" of the document (i.e. the subject line when you email it to your gmail account). Make sure that the hash you use for the ID is different from the hash used to turn your passphrase into a key! (openssl uses MD5, so that's OK). A convenient hack for generating unguessable IDs is to use a hash of the file's content. Hash-based version-control systems like git make this trivial. (If you use this trick, you need to encrypt the list of IDs using a passphrase you can remember!)

  72. Uhh... by Sheepdot · · Score: 1

    I memorized my Social Security Number when I was 16. Recording it sounds like the stupidest idea ever. If someone *really* needs proof of who you are, the fact that you can recall the number from your head should be enough. Otherwise, just tell the government who you are and get a new card. It's not rocket science.

    1. Re:Uhh... by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      not if you are dead though.  An unencrypted file would speed up the identification process.

  73. I got the power by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny
    My wife and I figure that if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen,

    Ah. Scientologists.

  74. Re:Encryption (blowfish) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    astronut@debian:~$ echo '123...testing...123' > test.txt
    astronut@debian:~$ openssl enc -bf test.txt.bf
    enter bf-cbc encryption password:
    Verifying - enter bf-cbc encryption password:
    astronut@debian:~$ mv test.txt test.txt.orig
    astronut@debian:~$ openssl enc -d -bf test.txt
    enter bf-cbc decryption password:
    astronut@debian:~$ diff test.txt.orig test.txt
    astronut@debian:~$

    No change.

  75. Easier way by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Realize that if you die, you won't give a shit about any of that, so do nothing. Q.E.D.

  76. Linux Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay. Set up a off site linux server (in your grandparents basement or something) with a very good password and then set up encrytption that has another very good password. now anytime you need to find your information just log on to it using putty or w/e you think you need. You could also hide the flash drive in like....deodorant or something making it sneaky. So your at a airport and they ask for id pull out the B-O. Hide the papers inside of a thermos? That floats. So many ways to do this.

  77. wash away by marcushnk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had 4 of my 512 mb usb mem key's go through the wash dozens of times.. :-) no problems there at all :-)

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    1. Re:wash away by OneFix · · Score: 1

      Yea, but was your washing machine filled with gasoline, battery acid, antifreeze, raw sewage, lead, river silt, industrial detergents, salt, oil, chlorine, and about anything else you can think of that exists in the average Wal-Mart/Target/etc??? My guess is that it wasn't...that may mean that it will take an accidental dive into the local swimming pool/ocean, but it doesn't have a very good chance of surviving in flood waters...

    2. Re:wash away by FurryFeet · · Score: 1

      It sounds to me like there IS a problem. Only it isn't with the memories.

    3. Re:wash away by MirrororriM · · Score: 1
      I've had 4 of my 512 mb usb mem key's go through the wash dozens of times.. :-) no problems there at all :-)

      That's not what they mean by wiping your data...

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  78. Forget encryption. Seriously. by gadzook33 · · Score: 1

    Just get a drive that has password protection implemented as a locking mechanism on the drive. Unless you're afraid of an attacked pulling data directly off the chip (is the government after you?), encryption won't really buy you much except to slow everything down.

  79. Family photos. by OgGreeb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When they interview many of the Katrina NOLA refugees, a common regret is that they've lost family pictures. At this point there is no reason not to start scanning paper-based photos in high-resolution. I've been pursuing a long term project of scanning documents, family photos, certificates and so on -- and making two sets of copies of the DVD archives. One set goes to a safe-deposit box and the other gets sent out of state to a relative in Ohio (I'm in Maryland). Each disk has a printed list of contents attached to it.

    Apart from my wanting these images to survive, they are an important part of my children's and my extended family's legacy.

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    1. Re:Family photos. by flynns · · Score: 1

      good idea.

      73 de ki4iib

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    2. Re:Family photos. by John+Harrison · · Score: 1

      forget the DVD+-R tech. Buy a USB attached hard disk and put EVERYTHING on it. Buy two and send on across the country. DVD media means you have to re-burn every few years or lie awake at night wondering if your data is corrupted.

    3. Re:Family photos. by temojen · · Score: 1

      I'm a photographer living in a place vulnerable to Earthquakes, Forest Fires, Tsunami, and occasionally, cyclones. I'm considering getting a Large IDE hard drive and a foam-lined pelican case.

    4. Re:Family photos. by StressedEd · · Score: 1
      there is no reason not to start scanning paper-based photos in high-resolution


      Apart from the fact that standard photographic prints are not really much better than a 300dpi equivalent image. Higher than that and you are just filling space on a hard drive, not getting more information from the image.

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    5. Re:Family photos. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One set goes to a safe-deposit box and the other gets sent out of state to a relative in Ohio (I'm in Maryland). Each disk has a printed list of contents attached to it."

      I hope you didn't use staples....

    6. Re:Family photos. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have one of a kind pictures, without the corresponding negative then what you're doing is probably a good idea. But if you actually still have the negatives for these pictures, your goals would be better served by spending some time organizing your negatives, putting them in archival sleeves and into a binder, and finally into a safe deposit box somewhere safe. High resolution scans of pictures really just aren't that great for many reasons and you're forgetting about what a dense form of storage negatives actually are.

  80. USB Drives Easily Damaged? by MageWyn · · Score: 0

    I know I'm not the only one who has mistreated their USB Drive... My 32mb usb drive has been through the washer and dryer at least twice... It still works perfectly. My professor dropped his 128mb drive in the toilet, fished it out, rinsed it off, then let it dry. His still works.

    Does anyone else have USB Flashdrive horror stories?

    1. Re:USB Drives Easily Damaged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My professor dropped his 128mb drive in the toilet, fished it out, rinsed it off, then let it dry. His still works.

      Does anyone else have USB Flashdrive horror stories?

      Depending on whether or not he'd had a curry for dinner, reaching in to fish it out kinda tops out the horror story list, for me.

  81. Useless-get copies from the authorities! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why bother? I remember my SSN and my credit card numbers; after using these numbers 20 or 30 times, everybody remembers them. For other things (tax returns, birth certificates, etc) you can always get copies from the authorities.

    1. Re:Useless-get copies from the authorities! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but after the Big Apple gets bitten, there will be 6 million other people trying to get their documents from the authorities too, including half dozen people with olive skin and last names that end in vowels who are trying to get YOURS.

      Having some simblance of identity, even if it is only a scanned non-legally acceptable image, might put you the front of the line for picking up your $2,000 debit card. More importantly, if they stick you all in some sports arena and demand you "get registered for aid" before they will let you in and out, you can get registered faster and get out of there before they "help you" any more.

      In fact, now that I think about it, why not prepare ahead of time -- have scanned docs of anyone who vaguely looks like you on there as well, in the chaos and lack of regular checks you might make out like a bandit, like those people who ran the ATMs dry during 9/11.

  82. /etc/make.conf by lotsToLearn · · Score: 0

    rather /etc/* in fact... who wants to go thru all the configs once again which you have gathered from 100 different sources/forums/chats/etc!

  83. Legal Status? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Coincidently, this morning the New York Times has an article about what to take when you have to leave home in a big hurry [DNA verification required], and they suggest making a list of all of things like Social Security and credit card numbers, scanning birth certificates, marriage license and tax returns, and saving it all on a USB flash drive."

    What's the legal status of scanned documents?

  84. Doing the samething only different by olddotter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    (How is that for confusing titles?)

    I have been thinking about encryption options for files on a USB drive for a slightly different reason. I want to keep finical info like tax returns, investment records, etc. on a USB drive for the reason that if my box does get compromised then the stuff that could REALLY f%&k me over will not be on it. The basic idea is there is data I want to store digitally, but I don't want it on a computer that is connected to the internet 24/7.

    So I'm really naive about encryption options and would like my data to be readable on Linux, OS X, and Windows at minimum. What options do I have besides a password protected zipfile? Are password protected zipfiles encrypted using the password as the key?

    How reliable are USB drives? How many backups should I make?

    1. Re:Doing the samething only different by temojen · · Score: 1

      Do not bother with password protected zipfiles. Use Gnu Privacy Guard.

    2. Re:Doing the samething only different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this: How to encrypt a USB flash disk, and this: Why backups are important and how to make the process easier.

      I like the second tutorial, as it is sort of generic and provides some basic ideas everyone should know.
      The tool itself is Windows only, but they promised a version for OS X and Linux... Who knows?

  85. I hope this helps by Lifix · · Score: 1

    I know this really isn't the topic, but I keep all my emergency info as both notes, and .docs on my ipod, and all of my important info (scans of drivers licence / cc numbers) pgp encrypted on my iPod aswell... I have it with me almost 100% of the time I am away from home, so if I need to leave in a hurry, I won't loose all my important stuff.

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  86. My life could fit on a 5 and a 1/4 floppy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why oh why can't I ever meet any women!! :(

  87. Re:contents -- Wear Glasses or Contacts? by rjune · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't forget a recent copy of your prescription.

  88. It's ok. by game+kid · · Score: 1

    Somehow I did not expect much more from a guy named HungWeiLo. ;)

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  89. How I do usb+crypto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    devmapper and automount. I mount the drives by logging into my $DISPLAY, which requires, via .xinitrc:
    1. The drive's presence
    2. The drive must be mountable (I test for /lost+found on the drive to figure out when it's been successfully mounted (it's ext3 with a one-month/1000 mount fsck))
    3. The ssh private key, which lives on the drive, must be loaded with ssh-add
    The automount timeout for the drive is 2 seconds, so I can pretty much unplug it at leisure. I put a call to run ~/bin/usb-storage-hook (as my uid) in the hotplug scripts, which in turn forgets the encryption key for the drive and xscreensaver-command -locks my $DISPLAY when the drive is unplugged. When I plug it back in and unlock xscreensaver, it wants the keys for the USB drive again. I load the keys with ssh-askpass-fullscreen, but there's a bit too much of a delay between prompting, mounting, and retrying, during which you can focus and input to other windows (think: xdm crash-restarting and logging in, key-by-key, on console), which I'm still working on.

    Sounds more complicated than it is, and there's still more stuff I have to do (move gaim-encryption and OTR stuffs to the drive and point symlinks, require the drive to boot, etc.), but this system makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

    Anyway, long story short, devmapper, automount, ext3. (Feel free to poke holes in my description, btw, I'm open to suggestions).

    Hrm. Sure I've left something out...
    1. Re:How I do usb+crypto by Deekin_Scalesinger · · Score: 1

      I hope this finds its way to sourceforge when you are happier with it. Best of luck.

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  90. Doh by phoebe · · Score: 1

    And what happens if you forget your password, after having your emergency bag in the closet for a few years?

  91. encryption by mpower1 · · Score: 0

    for compatability purposes, I would use windows based encryption. Just format the drive (ntfs) using a win2k box and then save the files to the drive using a winxp box. Encrypt the file in a separate folder on the drive using winxp sp2 encryption and then export the key to a common folder on the drive. You will be asked for a password to export the encryption key from winxp (admin tools, snap-ins) and save the key un-encrypted. To read the device load it into any windows based machine, import the key and provide the credentials and your done. Another way is to use a drive similar to the Lexar JumpDrive Secure. Its 256 AES encryption and works flawlessly on most machines. Anyone here who says not to trust manufacturers is smokin dope if they can think they can crack 256 aes easily. Ive tried both systems, i prefer the windows encryption method for simplicity. But trust the Lexar system as it loads the software automatically on most machines.

  92. TrueCrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read my TrueCrypt/Autoplay howto here.

  93. .jpgs of May 1985 Playmate by joelsanda · · Score: 1

    The month and year I graduated from high school. Karen Velez. http://usedmagazines.com/titles/Playboy/1985/

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  94. How about my personal pr0n collection? by klaasb · · Score: 1

    Which flash drive has a big enough capacity for that??? :-)

    Anyway, everything is stored in central computers anyway, who needs backup?

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  95. Grab your Wallet by boygerms · · Score: 1

    It will have your credit card and ID card in there. Possibly Social Security card if you carry it around with you.

    Everything can be replaced.

    If there is some huge disaster, just be happy you're alive. You can prove you were born later.

  96. You forgot... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 1

    - double-barreled shotgun
    - spiked hockey armor
    - extra-hold hair products
    - Auntie Entity's phone number

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  97. Re:PGP AxCrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not use AxCrypt for free? Yes I realize that you would have to put the program on the stick as well as the encrypted files...

  98. I just use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PGP to encrypt everything on my USB drive :) Works wonders...

  99. In case of emergency, scream... by HaloZero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My ideal 'out' kit;

    My personal records are scanned in high-res PDF format and kept on a jumpdrive. Identicals are kept with both of my parents on identical hardware, and my grandmother holds the originals. (This includes my birth certificate, my SSN card, my high school diploma, last 3 years of 1040 forms, my insurance policies, my driver's license, my EMS certification, and a few odd bills here and there for 'proof of residence'.)

    I keep a backpack packed with a dry pair of pants, fresh socks, two t-shirts, a sweatshirt, a bright orange-and-yellow 'RESCUE ME' vest, emergency self-inflating flotation device (rated to 225 lbs), 4L of drinking water, 6 MREs, a space-warmer blanket, air-activated hand-warmers, a flashlight, batteries, sweedish-firesteel, 600$ cash, a rescue strobe light, a leatherman, a wide-band two-way radio and scanner, a GPS reciever, a universal hand-crank charger, a map, a compass, pencil, paper, an emergency contact card, and the aforementioned USB keychain.

    It's not a huge bag, one just has to know how to pack. I do not live in the countryside by any means, but I travel through such areas often, and you never really know where you're going to end up if you need help quickly.

    I also keep a proper EMS bag (affectionately known as the 'blue bag') in my trunk, as well as a large ammocan with more space blankets, MREs and fresh drinking water. The assumption is that I'm not alone in the car, and we have to create a shelter-in-place.

    Worse-comes-to-worse, eat someone.

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    1. Re:In case of emergency, scream... by flynns · · Score: 1

      Suggestion: A firearm, and a ammocan with ammo in it. Just a thought, considering NOLA.

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    2. Re:In case of emergency, scream... by CagedBear · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's all good and well, but without a Smith and Wesson one of your fellow disaster victims is going to become the proud new owner of:

      a backpack packed with a dry pair of pants, fresh socks, two t-shirts, a sweatshirt, a bright orange-and-yellow 'RESCUE ME' vest, emergency self-inflating flotation device (rated to 225 lbs), 4L of drinking water, 6 MREs, a space-warmer blanket, air-activated hand-warmers, a flashlight, batteries, sweedish-firesteel, 600$ cash, a rescue strobe light, a leatherman, a wide-band two-way radio and scanner, a GPS reciever, a universal hand-crank charger, a map, a compass, pencil, paper, an emergency contact card, and the aforementioned USB keychain.

    3. Re:In case of emergency, scream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I can't believe people have such thorough emergency kits and evacuation plans but don't have a gun. What is the deal with people who think that guns are some sort of evil object that will indiscriminately kill everyone in sight? Without a firearm, you are defenseless. Do you think the police are going to protect and rescue you? More likely, they will join in on the looting and pillaging, like in NOLA.

    4. Re:In case of emergency, scream... by VAXcat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree as well. To paraphrase Machiavelli, Survival necessities can't always get you a gun...but a gun can always get you survival necessities...

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    5. Re:In case of emergency, scream... by danielobvt · · Score: 1

      Well said. I remember one time that I was on a Y2K management team and the leader decided to have some fun and asked each of the members what items they were making sure that they had in case things went wrong. Funny how my list was composed of exactly one item, "Ammo." After which I looked around the room with a slight smile on my face. I think I ruined the leaders game......

  100. Can't laminate by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

    You can't laminate social security cards. I don't know why since getting fakes or copies can't be too hard. I'm not sure if this would apply to other documents like birth certificates or not.

    Waterproof bags would be your best bet.

    1. Re:Can't laminate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction. You can laminate Social Security Cards. I have done it myself and no one says a word whenever I actually have to show it for something. Technically, you're not supposed to but that never stopped anyone from doing anything. Just look at P2P for instance. :P

    2. Re:Can't laminate by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      How about food storage vacuum packaging?? You can get a machine in Walmart that does it. It carries a long tube of plastic on a roll - you pull out as much as you need to hold the object to be wrapped, use the heat sealer to seal across the tube and drop the object in. Put the open end into the heat sealer, kick on the vacuum pump to evacuate as much air as possible, then crimp it with the sealer. It's waterproof and can be opened with a knife or scissors. You could make it tamper-evident also, by signing across the area that gets heat-sealed.

      That should work for a Social Security card. The reason an official needs to actual hold the card in his hand is so that he can feel the raised printing. That's why you can't laminate them. Unlike laminating, vacuum packaging would be reversible, while still protecting the card.

  101. bcrypt is a good choice... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    I like bcrypt for such things for a number of reasons:

    1) It uses blowfish encryption, which is Good Enough for most purposes.

    2) It's command-line driven

    3) It's tiny

    4) It's self-contained

    5) It's portable

    I have binaries and libraries for bcrypt on my USB keychain that run on Linux, Windows, Solaris, and HP-UX. I should add OS-X on there one of these days too. It hardly takes up any space, so I still have most of that 512MB available for data.

    I just wish it followed the same command syntax as Unix crypt. Ah well.

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  102. A new identity by HermanAB · · Score: 1

    Actually, a total disaster is a good time to get a new identity and walk away from all your debt...

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  103. As usual.... by vargasmas · · Score: 1
    ...us techies always trying to over-engineer everything. You already keep everything that matters for identity in your wallet. Take everything else and stick it in zip lock bags. Keep an extra Zip lock or two for your wallet, etc. You really don't have to turn everything into electronic records.

    In case of a natural disaster, FEMA will have no clue how to read a flash drive, nor will they care or be properly equiped for it. Anything other than an original Social Security card, drivers license, birth certificate, etc are useless.

    Scan the important photos and put those on CD or something. Stash it all in one place and don't forget where it is.

    By the way, in case of nuclear war, nothing electronic will work and you probably will be dead anyways, so it doesn't matter then.

  104. Re:Encryption (blowfish) by dotgain · · Score: 1

    Well done. Now see if you can do it in fewer lines.

  105. Re:Flash secondary Pack a weapon you know how to u by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The H&K USP .40 is the finest handgun I've personally ever fired. It's small and light enough to be practical while still carrying the stopping power of the .40 round. And yes, even the little girls can shoot it. Although in a practical situation, if you have to shoot your gun more than a couple of times, you've got a very big problem on your hands.

    (A .22 to the head is far from lethal, incidentally. In most cases, you won't even penetrate the skull unless you're lucky enough to hit it at a perpendicular angle. The world is full of people who took .22 rounds to the braincase and lived to tell the tale, or even walked away with nothing more than a nasty scratch.)

  106. Encryption by Diablo1399 · · Score: 0

    I highly recommend TrueCrypt for your encryption needs. It essentially creates an encrypted file of a desired size which you can copy wherever you like, which the application mounts like a removable drive when you need to encrypt/decrypt stuff. The program even has a traveller mode that you can run without installation. Only requirement is that you have admin rights on the PC.

    Oh, and if you do have to swim for it. . .just make sure the drive is in a ziploc bag :)

  107. What if there wont be any computers left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After a really big disaster, there wont be any computers or records left, the whealth would be worth nothing, a piece of rotten food will be more valuable than a ton of gold or a billion dollars, it will be the end of capitalism aw we know it, we will go back to a stateless society, primitive anarchism, nobody would care about records or money anymore, the survivors will be happy to be alive.

  108. Obligatory HHGG reference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    when the competition started lobbing warheads at us I would tender my resignation.

    At the publishing headquarters building of the Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

    "The building's being bombed!" -Roosta

    "Wha....Who would want to bomb a publishing company?!?" -Zaphod

    "Another publishing company." -Marvin the Paranoid Android

  109. How about scaling media to "disaster" size too? by patniemeyer · · Score: 1

    I've been thinking about this and the bigger issue of backups lately and was considering what it would be like to do "miniature" versions of all my photos and video - whatever it takes to make them fit onto one big flash drive. I have a few hundred gigs of photos and video on my raid at home and it would take some serious crunching, but if it's all I had left, I think I'd still prefer a little 320x240 video or photo over nothing.

    Until the net is faster, syncing 100s of megs of data back and forth weekly or monthly (or 100s of gigs for a full backup) is just going to be prohibitive. I am doing firewire drive backups and sometimes carrying them off-site, but if the "big one" hits I'll probably lose a lot.

    - Pat

  110. Re:contents OFF TOPIC by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

    It was George Carlin.

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  111. As long as we're talking about crypto... by CurbyKirby · · Score: 1

    Consider cryptographic secret-sharing schemes. You split up data into m parts, and require that at least n of them be brought together to recover the secret. It's kind of like cryptographic RAID. It might not be practical for most of the data that we store, but it's certainly an interesting idea. It would be difficult for a small group of people to get together and recover your secret, and difficult for a small group of people to hold out and prevent the secret from getting out when it should. The ratio of n and m is adjusted based on the risk analysis of the two attacks. I first read about this idea in Schneier's Applied Crypto book, but wikipedia comes through:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_sharing

    Keep in mind that whether or not you need encryption, whether or not you need offsite storage, whether or not you need physically-accessible data should the Internet become available... all these things depend on the data you're trying to protect, and the disasters you're trying to protect against. Flinging buzzwords at your data doesn't necessarily do anything useful to protect it.

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  112. Bug Out Bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just google for "Bug Out Bag". You'll find numerous discussions in other forums and newsgroups covering this topic. None of them will recommend a USB flash drive for a simple reason: How will you use it if you don't have something to plug it into?

  113. My experiences with jumpdrives. by atomic-penguin · · Score: 1

    I had a Lexar Jumpdrive (Secure). Specifically the model with the rubber grips on the sides. It had been through the washer and dryer and survived this abuse. A few months later I dropped my keys after getting out of the car and it finally died. A small capacitor inside had been knocked loose rendering it unusable. I kept it for a while after this happened...

    Finally, one late night I cracked it open and carefully soldered the capacitor back in place. Then I clumsily superglued it back together, and it worked without a hitch! All my data was in tact. So I backed up everything to my hard drive. Since, I had it "rigged" back together in such a clumsy fashion, the capacitor finally worked it's way loose a couple weeks later. At this point, I just decided to get a new one, with twice as much capacity. Same model, and I still have this one.

    As far as durability this one will last through some heavy duty abuse. However, if you are looking for security DO NOT rely on their software as it has been demonstrated to be insecure. Encrypt important data with something like PGP or GPG. Someone will need your private key and your passphrase (choose a strong one) in order to decrypt the data. So the security aspect of that is something you have, and something you know.

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    1. Re:My experiences with jumpdrives. by OneFix · · Score: 1

      My only complaint about the Jumpdrive Secure is that it's too "fat" for most internal USB slots...so you need to plug it into an extension cable or hub on most machines...the "sport" and some of the other rebranded Lexars (like the "Impact" drives) don't have this problem...otherwise, I agree, it's a fairly solid drive...the problem is the "fatness" of the drive puts undue pressure on the USB connector which will eventually break.

    2. Re:My experiences with jumpdrives. by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      I like the Jumpdrive Secure since its the only USB key I've ever seen that has a metal post connecting to its (metal) lanyard/keychain ring. I don't trust any of the plastic->metal or plastic->plastic ones. Are there any thinner models on the market that also have metal attachment bits?

  114. I would think that... by gotr00t · · Score: 1

    if you didn't crush the IC that the flash memory was on (most USB drives tend to be single chip systems anyway), your data should be fine against water. Last time I checked the black plastic packaging of the IC wasn't affected by water; just dry it off before plugging it into a USB port. Then again, that's only to the best of my understanding.

    1. Re:I would think that... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

      I think you're correct. The problem is that most people don't wait long enough for the semi-sealed internals of electrical devices to dry out completely before they plug them back in, and the resulting short circuit through the water zaps them.

      Unless a device is temperature sensitive or contains parts with hydroscopic chemicals (electrolytic capacitors), things which store significant amount of charge, or moving parts, it shouldn't be that bothered by water, as long as the water is completely removed before power is reapplied.

      I don't know if they have them for small electronics, but there are actually guidelines for industrial equipment on how long it must be left to dry in certain humidities before power can be reapplied after exposure to water. I've seen pictures of stuff which was underwater due to flooding basically cleaned, dried out, and put back to use, when you'd never have thought it was possible.

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    2. Re:I would think that... by MWelchUK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are correct.

      I accidentally put my pen drive through the washing machine. Then the tumble dryer. It was lovely and dry when it came out, but the USB plug had been broken off the board.

      Quick soldering job later and I plugged it in, to find all my data intact.

      Definitely more robust than a floppy disk. Comparatively, looking at them in the wrong way was enough to corrupt them at times.

  115. something durable and/or useful by E8086 · · Score: 1

    If there was a hurricane or something giving some warning I'd grab my external hdd with weekly backup. For and "emergency" backup I'd go with whatever the most durable flash card happens to be. Scan all the important documents I have, proof of citivenship, residence, whatever else and cover the case with a few layers of DuckTape. Waterproof, shock resistant and small enough to fit in a pocket or onr of the suposedly extra durable USB drives, the rubber coated ones claiming to be extra shock resistant and waterproof. But that would only work if I was home at the time. I hear bank vaults are designed to survive nuclear blasts. With scanned document being not that large, no need for a high resolution scan, just identifiable and readable. I may condider keeping a heavily encrypted copy on the every-day drive. If I want it to be a useful backup, I may keep it on a swissbit/swiss memory pocket knife/flash drive. Yes, even if the tool part is less usful than my keychain sized leatherman.
    -AND/OR-
    find a trusted close relative living many many miles away and give them an encrypted copy

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  116. And while you're at it... by HishamMuhammad · · Score: 1

    ...don't forget to pillage some additional batteries for the iPod. ;)

  117. Clipdrive Bio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.memoryexpertsinc.com makes a cool usb drive that uses a fingerprint biometric to secure files with 256 bit AES encryption. It has a pubilc partition and private partition.

  118. It's not a secure solution, only an easy one by Snar+Bloot · · Score: 1, Redundant
    True...if you lose it, or get hit with a mongo flood, or have some giant EM radiation issue, or blah blah, you may still have a problem. But the guys saying "paper" aren't all wrong, and if you're like me, you have your docs in a fireproof safe in your house, you may have a safety deposit box, etc, etc.

    But hauling around a bulk of your info on a key chain isn't that bad an option. 99% of the people who find it couldn't get thru the basic PW access that most flash drives provide.

    And having the info you need would still be a pretty darn handy thing, when you needed it. I'm not sure it's any worse than having your insurance card, 3 or 4 credit cards, your bank card, or anything else you may carry around in your wallet.

    It's just a different media than paper. One that holds more. No harm there, any worse than carrying around a ream of printed material.

  119. pop quiz asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    shoot the hostage

  120. Ruggedizing the media by CupBeEmpty · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have done a fair amount of canoeing/rafting and have some wilderness medical training so the need to keep important things dry and protected is something that I have had some experience with. I have been most happy with this hard case it is completely waterproof and you can see what's in it (this is actually useful). It is also fairly small which is nice. I recently went to Africa so I wanted to be able to communicate. I was able to pick upa quad band mobile phone (as well as a satellite phone), which worked well in cities and surprisingly far out into the bush.

    The phone and charger fit well inside the case along with a small knife/multitool, and laminated (and shruken) copies of all of my important documents (visa, passport, list of important contacts). It would not be hard at all to fit all of that and a small USB drive in that space. The hardcase is also a better bet than something soft for really important stuff. In a wilderness/emrgency situation you really want to make sure than any gear you do take with you is protected. Also the hard copies of the documents is a hugely good idea in an emergecy where computer availability could be scarce/swamped.

    There are a lot of waterproof bags and cases, and they all tend to be well reviewd by people that beat the hell out of them (outdoor enthuisits). I higly reccomend a small hard case over a soft case for electronics. If you do your homework its pretty much a no brainer. Also if you are really serious make sure to test the gear. Put some toilet paper in it and dunk it in water, beat the hell out of it, leave it outside when its cold and hot. That way you can see how much it takes to pop open a case underwater or what conditions cause condensation etc. Then you will really know if your protection works.

  121. In a real emergency you might not want data... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    You might want to look for your lost 2nd amendment rights, or at least carry something pointy.

    Being able to set things on fire is kind of handy too.

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  122. Swimming from New York by totallygeek · · Score: 1
    I am from Texas, but having been staying in New York for a week or so. All I can say from my observation at both the Staton Island Ferry and by looking down from whatever bridge I was on, your memory stick might make it, but a normal person wouldn't. New York does not come off as having the cleanest water...

  123. In 1983 I came to the US with no records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I managed to eacape from an East European country without anything, no passport, no PhD, DSc certificates or any other documents. Months later I managed to come to the US. After many unsuccsessful attempts to find an academic job, I eventually managed to get hired by a small university based only on the testimonies of three fellow American scientists who met me before and knew my work and a few photocopies of some of my publications.

    Records are not always necessary, good, generous people can help you.

  124. [NO-INSTALL.COM] by leftyfb · · Score: 1

    The site http://www.no-install.com/ has lots of applications to put on your USB flash drive including a bunch of different encryption applications. It would also be nice to have other applications with your saved settings on it as well like; Portable Firefox web browser with all your bookmarks, Portable Thunderbird email client with saved emails (this can be very important if you have saved emails for financial, medical, etc sites), an instant messenger client with your saved buddy list to notify people of your whereabouts and health, etc.

  125. Plam-type device is a better idea by thatguywhoiam · · Score: 1
    I understand the sentiment behind the USB drive but in a real disaster scenario it would be little use until your bigger problems were solved. (I understand that the writeup didn't explicitly mention a disaster but I think that is a clear subtext.)

    I've been trying to think of a device suitable for such a situation for awhile now, although from a slightly different angle. The question is: if you had to take a very large amount of textual and perhaps audiovisual data with you, in a convenient and lightweight and protective format, what would it be?

    First thing that comes to mind is a type of palm pilot device. This is the smallest, easiest way to transport a large amount of text (at minimum), in a very small and light format, and with the ability to read under dim conditions as bonus (backlight). You could store all the basics, from first aid info to maps to the personal info cited in the story write-up. However a palm pilot has two shortcomings: not enough memory and it needs power. The power situation is fairly easily rectified - palm devices are very efficient to begin with and you can charge them in a (bright) day with portable solar (like an iSun or comparable). Memory, little trickier but do-able; the device needs to accept some kind of card media. Buy as many as you need room for. Put the whole thing in a watertight shockproof case and you have a not bad solution for storing and accessing a lot of data in wilderness conditions.

    Thing is, they stopped making palm devices that have any sort of regular battery system a long time ago. They all have internal rechargeable now. I have an old Handspring Visor that is very close, but monochrome (maybe a good thing, esp. for daylight reading) and lacks any real amount of memory. You could charge it via solar by way of car adaptor or some other crap but that is inelegant and cumbersome.

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    1. Re:Plam-type device is a better idea by kentborg · · Score: 1

      Good advice.

      You can also use GNU keyring to encrypt important bits, and if you do an entire backup of your palm to the card you can put the card in any Palm you can get your hands on, and the GNU keyring software will be there too, ready to go.

      Also, if you get a big SD card you can also use a computer to copy data onto it that the Palm doesn't necessarily know about. (Do the Palm backup first, note the directory structure, don't disturb it with your computer work.) Backup to a couple different SD cards in rotation and you are pretty safe in a small portable package.

      The Ottercase suggestion looks good, though I would like to find a *tiny* little case that will hold a stack of, say, 6 SD cards, protecting them from crushing.

      -kb

  126. Removable HD enclosure by elchavobeer · · Score: 1

    Now if there's a nuclear attack im not going to care about any of this, but most likely a more run-of-the-mill disaster will come my way sometime, Los Angeles has some fires going at the moment and that Big Shaker is waiting down below. So I set up an old spare computer with a big HD inside a removable enclosure, like this one http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?p roduct_code=282701&pfp=SEARCH where I will backup the important data from other computers via rsync, mainly /home directories and mp3s. In case of emergency or if I'll be away for some time, I turn a little key, pop it out, and take that drive with me or leave it somewhere safe, all my important stuff can be lugged without having to take all the computers or waste time trying to get HDs out. It's not too big and it will hold alot more data than a usb drive. Besides, credit cards, birth certs, DMV docs, etc have their own backup at the proper offices, those are the least of your concern. But all those emails, documents, and pictures you've collected, nobody has a copy of those. You'll appreciate having them when your whole life is going up in a flaming inferno! Just a thought, EL CHAVO!

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  127. Er, yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is having scans of these documents on a USB key better than keeping them in one envelope together, ready to grab when it's time to scram? Last I checked, a scan of a birth certificate no more valid (ie, NOT) than a photocopy, and extra effort to display. Use your backpacks as the file cabinet for your marriage license, passport, etc, and your USB key as the backup for your emails. Really.

  128. A handfull of post-it notes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with all personal information possible stuck to a small, portable LCD monitor.

  129. durability by ecloud · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Flash can survive being submersed just fine as long as you dry it out before using it. But the USB flash drives seem likely to get mechanically messed up because of the way they stick out. I didn't get to use mine that long before it got pried the wrong direction by accident and went "crunch," so now I just use CF and SD cards. Of course, if you don't use it a lot, only often enough to keep the documents up-to-date, maybe it won't be a problem.

    Transflash or SmartMedia would be sturdier. But SmartMedia is obsolete and transflash is so small that it's very easy to lose.

    You could just store the docs on your cellphone and plan not to lose it, or store on a memory card which is in your cell phone. But then the memory will get used more and be more subject to wearing out.

    iButtons are about the sturdiest format there is, and they have encrypted ones too, but they don't have enough memory for much data. There are also flash-based smart cards you could keep in your wallet. But neither of those is common enough - it's hard to find a reader for them, harder than finding a usb port anyway. Smartcards _should_ be standard equipment for securely storing all your passwords and personal info, but it hasn't caught on, mostly because of paranoia about "big brother" or "mark of the beast" or identity theft or some such.

    Maybe you could pop open an SD card, fill the empty space with epoxy and put it back together. It would probably be more durable that way. Or, do the same with a USB drive. Or use the SD card by itself most of the time, and keep a compact new USB SD reader in your knapsack.

    Yeah somebody should be manufacturing a really tiny usb key that has encrypted flash, implements some smart-card-like protocols for partitioning information with different keys, and sticks out of the port less than 1 cm, and is very sturdy. Having it stick out less would reduce the leverage when it gets bumped against something.

  130. A very sturdy flash drive by frazzydee · · Score: 1

    Another great flash drive if you're looking for something sturdy, is the "Corsair Flash Voyager". It was rated 8/10 on the Ars Technica flash drive roundup, and it is actually encased in rubber.

    While this may not have the rock hard connotations of words like "Titanium", it is an excellent choice if the sturdiness of the drive is important. You can throw it against walls, bounce it on floors, and even submerge it in a glass of water and it will still work! While I don't actually have first-hand experience of this, it seems very possible if it is completely encased in rubber.

    Of course, actually doing this probably isn't recommended, but if this does happen to the drive, it will still work. While it doesn't get any points for its looks, it is probably one of the best drives out there if you're concerned about how much abuse it can take!

  131. Another very sturdy flash drive by frazzydee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another great flash drive if you're looking for something sturdy, is the "Corsair Flash Voyager". It was rated 8/10 on the Ars Technica flash drive roundup [arstechnica.com], and it is actually encased in rubber.

    While this may not have the rock hard connotations of words like "Titanium", it is an excellent choice if the sturdiness of the drive is important. You can throw it against walls, bounce it on floors, and even submerge it in a glass of water and it will still work! While I don't actually have first-hand experience of this, it seems very possible if it is completely encased in rubber.

    Of course, actually doing this probably isn't recommended, but if this does happen to the drive, it will still work. While it doesn't get any points for its looks, it is probably one of the best drives out there if you're concerned about how much abuse it can take!

  132. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > if your planning for stuff that occurs more then 2 standard deviations away from the mean

    If ever there was a sentence fragment that illustrated the "intelligent idiocy" of slashdorks, this is it. Learn to spell, dumbass.

  133. OS X can make AES-128 disk images by Mechcozmo · · Score: 1

    Make a 3MB disk image, AES-128 encrypted image, drag n' drop data to it. Copy to USB drives, and then email the 3MB images (however many you have) to yourself

  134. Re:Encryption (blowfish) by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 2, Funny
    echo '123...testing...123' > test.txt ; openssl enc -bf test.txt.bf ; mv test.txt test.txt.orig ; openssl enc -d -bf test.txt ; diff test.txt.orig test.txt

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  135. See your life Flashing before your eyes? by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    "Condensing Your Life on to a USB Flash Drive?

    Wait, I'm pretty sure I've seen this movie before... Or was it a book? Wait! No! An anime! Ghost in the USB or something...! (ok, so the title was bad)

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  136. film by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    credit and various other id cards can be easily photographed.  A negative can
    survive a lot and still be usuable while a thumb drive might not.  If I were
    to go electronic I would go with a compact flash over the thumb drive.  Of
    course you'll need a reader, but they are pretty wide spread now a days.

  137. swimming for it by belmolis · · Score: 1

    Go to a canoe/kayak store. They sell heavy duty plastic bags with multiple-fold water-tight seals in a variety of sizes. These are much tougher than baggies or ziplocs and better sealed. Naturally, they're also terrific to have on canoe trips.

  138. Re:Best idea by Tharn · · Score: 1

    sigh, thang kod for +6 Flamebait.

  139. My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is entirely focused on records. This is the information age, right? So we need our personal information to survive, right? As I've already posted the information might well turn out to be important, and you should make sure you have it, but if Katrina taught anybody anything it's that papers don't insure your survival. You can't eat your papers (although when things get really, really sticky you might be able to trade them for food).

    What you really need in that pack:

    A good, sturdy pocket knife. Not a Swiss Army jobber. A single blade, like are sold to hunters. Metal, not ceramic.

    A metal spoon.

    Cheap chopsticks.

    Do not, literally upon pain of death, use any other utensils than these to prepare or eat your food if you can at all avoid it. Make it a religion to keep them clean and sanitary.

    Strike anywhere matches in a waterproof safe.

    A firestarting piston. Use this before you resort to using your matches. Learn how to use it before you leave home.

    A personal water filter.

    A bottle of alcohol. 190 proof vodka is 190% better than the stuff from the drugstore. Make it yourself if you have to. Learn about cold distilling if you want to take the long, but easy way.

    A few ounces of honey is nice to have along, but this is the most dangerous stuff in the pack. Think hard about it before including it. You can eat it if you have to, but that's not what it's here for.

    Aspirin.

    Antihistimines.

    Any other drugs you personally need to stay alive. If you really need Prozac or Valium to stay alive, plan on dying.

    A homemade soda can stove.

    A mini roll of duct tape.

    5 pounds of gorp. If tightly rationed this well feed you for a week.

    An "Emergency Blanket."

    Ziploc Baggies (These last two items are the only survival gear of note invented in the 20th century).

    A camelback water resevior recently filled with known good water.

    100 feet of parachute cord. Learn how to tie knots before you need to.

    Wool cloth. Two shirtweight peices 45"X 72". One heavier weight 60"X108". These are your clothes, your hammok, your chair, your carryall, your. . .

    Learn how to use them as such before you need to. Do not be tempted to substitute cotton for wool to save money. The savings could kill you. Not in a pleasant way either.

    Two pair of wool socks.

    Three yards of 36" wide cotton could come in hand as well. This is your hat, your belt, your shoulder bag, your sling, your . . .

    A waterproof, windproof shell. Yes, even if you're in a tropical zone.

    A pennywhistle. Yes, I'm dead serious about that one. Learn how to play it a bit before you leave home. Even better, also learn how to make a pennywhistle out of any tubular thing you can find, before you need to.

    If you expect to stay "civilized". . .money. If you don't, more gorp. When push comes to shove people will trade you nearly anthing for food. Money weighs less than gorp though. If you have your choice don't stay civilized. Head for the woods. Cities are a barren desert when it comes to survival. The woods have everything you need to survive (these days even including manufactured items, more's the pity). Cities often do not. Cities are also full people. Being full of people stretches resources so they don't have things in 'em anymore. People are also nasty sumbitches who will hit you over the head and take your precious personal information, encrypted or not (they don't find out how well you encrypted your information until after they have hit you on the head).

    Two weeks with me showing you how to combine all this stuff with stuff you can find anywhere (like pebbles), especially in a disaster zone, otherwise you're just going to be in deep shit within an hour anyway.

    Time with me is limited. Start poking around the internet for this information now. For God's sake, learn to take care of yourself. Any baby cockroach can do it. Your brain is bigger. Learn to use it for somthing other than tracking your stock portfolio.

    KFG

    1. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I'll bite, what's the honey for?

    2. Re:My objection to the article: by TheoMurpse · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's killing me to know why the honey is the most dangerous thing in the pack, and what it's really in the pack for, if not for food. Attracting animals to kill? Can you commit suicide with honey? What?

    3. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 4, Informative

      . . .what's the honey for?

      It's a topical antibacterial. Even when push comes to shove I don't recommend eating Neosporin. When you have a choice between packing something you can eat and something you can't, go with the thing you can eat. Native Americans didn't typically use chemical tanning, not because they didn't know how. They did. They also knew that tanning meant you couldn't eat your clothing or horse tack when times got sticky.

      Clean a wound with alcohol. Seal the wound with honey. If corn starch is available dust the honey with it (You're carrying cornstarch because you can eat it. You can't eat talcum powder). Seal the honey with duct tape.

      KFG

    4. Re:My objection to the article: by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      How the F*** are you supposed to pack all this into one tiny backpack?

      Either way, you seem to promote months of work and research for a situation which is VERY unlikely to ever happen to you. I'm not saying it's foolish to be prepared, but one has to wonder if spending so much time on something so improbable (yes, even after Katrina) is really worth it; it's like these people spending half their live working on their health just to spend a year longer in a retirement home.
      If you really want safety, move to a location where there's less chance for natural disaster. Away from coastal areas en other significant geographical "borders", and steer clear of areas with common phenomenon such as tornado's.

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    5. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either you are completely full of it, or this is the best slashdot comment. Ever.

    6. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      It's killing me to know why the honey is the most dangerous thing in the pack. . .

      I take it you've never read the short story about the guy who answers the phone while putting honey on his toast, and how the little bit of honey that gets transfered to the handset transports itself all over the house.

      It takes an ungodly amount of effort to make sure the honey doesn't make everything in your pack (and you) sticky. Bloody shame really, because it's otherwise the most amazing stuff.

      By the way, you obtain the container for the honey at a bicycle shop that caters to the racing crowd. I suppose the running shops have them too, but I don't frequent those.

      Cleaning up after honey (or anything else) should be done with care. An awful lot of people fall prey to bad water who think they're being careful, because they take great care to only drink good water. Be careful about what you put on your hands. Your hands tend to go places afterward.

      . . what it's really in the pack for. . .

      See the post above.

      KFG

    7. Re:My objection to the article: by nilbog · · Score: 1

      ARGH!!!11!!!!1 Whats the HONEY FOR?! (please)

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    8. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The honey will only be active as a wound treatment if it is unpasturized. The heat destroys the enzyme responsible for its antibacterial action.

      http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan /honey-as-topical-agent.html

      The antibacterial/antifungal activity is not only due to osmosis.

      -Bob

    9. Re:My objection to the article: by mrjb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only one problem here. There is no spoon.

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    10. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      How the F*** are you supposed to pack all this into one tiny backpack?

      This is specifically the list for a tiny backpack or bike messanger bag, or even the larger camper's fanny packs that are now available. I can get a lot of it in my guitar gig bag (and do, I hit the road with a minimum of individual things to carry), with the guitar in it. I don't carry alcohol or a stove then and maybe only three pounds of gorp. I'm only traveling then, not running. If I need a stove for some reason I'll find a soda can and make one on the spot. The knife is the only tool you need. The stove, by the way, is only about an inch thick. You could put it in your pants pocket and hardly even notice it.

      No tent, no sleeping bag, etc. If you saw the average camper's gear spread out on the floor you'd swear it would take a U-Haul trailer to hold it all, but it goes into a pack just fine.

      The fluids and the cloth are the bulkiest items. How much bulk is represented by the fluids depends on how you decide to carry. A Camelback(tm) resevoir packs better than a bottle. The cloth masses the same as a change of tailored clothing, but folds far more compactly.

      The gorp takes up very little space per pound. You don't carry it in a box. That's what the Ziploc(tm) Baggies(tm) are for (among other things. The cloth goes in 'em too), which also travel in a Ziploc(tm) Baggie(tm).

      By the way, if you have everything on this list you don't even need the backpack to carry it. I often choose to do without. Carrying cloth instead of clothing (you have the tailored clothing you were wearing when you left home); and knowing what to do with it, is a key issue.

      KFG

    11. Re:My objection to the article: by Folmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would include iodide pills if the bomb goes off...

    12. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Either you are completely full of it. . .

      If I'm full of shit it's because I know my shit, not because I'm bullshitting.

      . . .or this is the best slashdot comment. Ever.

      A bit slipshod stream of conciousness really. I left out the "Shake & Bake" flashlight, which is important, the cornstarch, which isn't, but it's nice to have a bit around. Didn't go into sewing kits and why you should make up your own instead of purchasing one from a camping store, the Therma-Rest pad, which could be important, even lifesaving under certain conditions, or even that you get all this stuff from Wal-Mart or something, not a camping store (except maybe the Therma-Rest). There are also any number of small items that can disappear in the bottom of a side pocket that can make life easier (like the G.I. can opener), but I've learned to live without them and take life as it was before such manufactured items were available. Many people on this earth do so as part of their everyday lives. I know. I've seen them do it.

      It wasn't part of the subject, so I didn't even touch on how you either get out of or into a disater area safely. That's a bit of a longer subject then a short, slipshod post. I'm not even sure I could write it. I think I'd have to show you. Bicycles are often better than cars though. A guy I know bicycled from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego with his wife. It took a whole team of pros from Land Rover to accomplish the same thing with motor vehicles.

      I was born in Manhatten, but grew up in large part in the Vermont woods, climbed Mt. Washington in a minor gale (by Mt. Washington standards) when I was only 6, been from the subartic to the tropical rainforest, city to wilderness, land to sea, often with nothing more than I could carry, my stepfather is a travel journalist who ghost authored a best selling camping book (no, I won't say which one. There are these things called lawyers. I like to avoid them when I can) and been in, into and out of disaster areas for various reasons. I sorta grew up knowing how to get by with only what you could stuff in a daypack just so long as the conditions were actually survivable without heavy gear. I've never checked luggage on an airline. Everything I need goes carryon.

      This all writes much more impressive than it really is. I'm just another dork like anybody else and my day to day life is just as humdrum and unexceptional at any given moment as anybody else's. I just occasionally have these "episodes" where it looks like things should have been exciting, but they're not at all like Indiana Jones has. Pulling people from their homes in a rowboat is really a rather mundane affair. Crawling through the priest tunnel of a Zapotec pyramid is too.

      No Nazis, face melting or anything. Just dirt and deadly snakes.

      Snakes, why does it always have to be snakes?

      KFG

    13. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes. I haven't dealt with that issue personally, so I neglected it. I've known people who have though.

      KFG

    14. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Everyone's going on about the honey. I honestly thought it was going to be the pennywhistle that got people going.

      KFG

    15. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why is it so dangerous??? The Honey I mean...?

    16. Re:My objection to the article: by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      You will need to keep the honey fresh, not a good thing to keep in a cupboard for 10 years.

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    17. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what is the honey for if not for eating, for those with better things to do than riddles?

    18. Re:My objection to the article: by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      A good, sturdy pocket knife. Not a Swiss Army jobber. A single blade, like are sold to hunters. Metal, not ceramic.

      Although in the post-apocalyptic world, ohmu shell is the material of choice.

      If you expect to stay "civilized". . .money.

      Not dollars, though. Nuka-Cola bottle caps.

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    19. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you flagged the honey as 'dangerous' thats what got people interested. I still haven't figured out how the honey would be dangerous, unless of course you are potentially expecting a mugging from Pooh Bear.

      Yes, the penny whistle has me guessing as well, but not as much as potentially explosive honey.

    20. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 3, Informative

      I still haven't figured out how the honey would be dangerous. . .

      It's a vector of sticky. :)

      Yes, the penny whistle has me guessing as well. . .

      Never underestimate the value of being able to make friends by being able to play an instrument, particularly when the shit hits the fan. The friends might well have food. Eat theirs when you can instead of your own. The pennywhistle is inexpensive (duh), easy to get started on, nearly indestructable, versatile, but particularly good at playing "happy" music.

      Never underestimate the power of happy music to turn misery into a party. In the last big blackout nobody in my neighborhood has anything but happy memories of the experience. I had an impromptu music festival going within an hour of the lights going out and kept it going until they came back on. It wasn't a blackout, it was a block party (of course nobody's homes were blowing away or under water either).

      A foot long metal tube can also be a suprisingly useful thing to have around. When you're packing light and moving in a hurry you have to learn to see things for what they actually are, and not for what they are labeled. Duct tape, for instance is a strip of rubberized cloth with some adhesive on one side of it. Thus it's repair tape, bandages, moleskin, a bit of rope, etc. Corn starch is soup thickener, foot powder, dry lubricant, etc.

      A foot long metal tube likewise has a variety of utilitarian uses. In this case signal whistle is the most obvious. You really should carry a signal whistle. Why shouldn't it also be a musical one? (my 6'x 3/4" PVC hiking staff is a suprisingly loud herald's trumpet, even though it lacks a bell and you should see the look on a Coast Guard officer's face when you demonstrate that you do have the required signal horn on board by blowing out his eardrums with your "boathook")

      Actually, my own choice is 3/4" PVC pipe quena (an end blown flute). People don't even realize it's a bo until it hits them. There is value in other people seeing what a thing is labeled as, as opposed to what it really is. Someone who will take away your knife will leave you your flute/thumper/cheaterbar/bo.

    21. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Although in the post-apocalyptic world, ohmu shell is the material of choice.

      Don't be daft man. It's Chevy leaf spring.

      Not dollars, though.

      Gold, just as always.

      KFG

    22. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the list.

      I just have two questions

      What if you are allergic to wool? (I understand why cotton is not a good idea from some Boy Scout training.)
      What are some of your favorite books or links regarding being prepared?

    23. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      and... tire sandals. I believe their barter value would be quite high.

    24. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I find out more?

    25. Re:My objection to the article: by jimand · · Score: 1

      Well if this is a joke it's over my head. The second item on the list is a spoon.

    26. Re:My objection to the article: by po_boy · · Score: 1

      You will need to keep the honey fresh, not a good thing to keep in a cupboard for 10 years.


      According to the National Honey Board, it will last for quite a while: http://www.nhb.org/download/factsht/shelf.pdf

      a honey article at about.com Honey has an indefinite shelf-life due to its high concentration of sugar.
    27. Re:My objection to the article: by justins · · Score: 1
      A few ounces of honey is nice to have along, but this is the most dangerous stuff in the pack.

      You're telling me! Keep it hidden, or Pooh Bear will bust in and mess up all of your shit.
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    28. Re:My objection to the article: by Kope · · Score: 1

      I'd personally invest a few bucks in some good waterproof compression sacks over the ziplocks.

      Ziplocks tear. Torn ziplocks don't do any of the nice things you want them to do -- they dont' stay dry, they don't keep bugs out, they don't stay dry, etc.

      A heavy nylon compression sack (the kind made with individual fibers coated in silicon so they stay waterproof forever) will last 1000 times longer than a ziplock. In addition, you can pack actuall clothes in it instead of raw fabric and it will take up the same space or less once you cinch the straps.

      I disagree about the knife. A quality multitool is a far better choice. Having a screwdriver, pliers, saw, awl, tweezers, can opener, etc., as well as a high quality knife blade for only a few ounces more is a win. The key here is "quality." Never skimp on survivial gear.

      Gorp is also a poor choice for a survival kit. Gorp goes stale. It goes bad. It takes a while, but if you pack all this up this year and don't have to use it for several years, you'll find you have a lot of inedible nuts.

      Invest in a dehydrator and a vacuum packer. Better yet, buy some freezedried foods in bulk and vacuum pack them yourself. Per unit energy it will weigh far less than the gorp, and it will keep forever.

      You're also missing a good first aide kit. An ace bandage, some butterfly bandaids, sterile 4x4 pads, tape, iodine, antibacterial gel, an eye cup and sterile saline wash and a few other potential life savers adds very little in terms of bulk or weight, but can be essential in a bad situation. If you're in places where there are nasty bugs or snakes, include snake bite kits and major antihystimines as well.

      Lastly, it's not in the list, but it should be:

      Get a good hand gun. Spend time on the range with it. Learn to be proficient. Pack a like model with a few hundred rounds of ammo. Excellent for both for self defense and for hunting. A handgun so that it's easy to carry and realitivley light weight A small emergency first aide card to help you figure out how to treat various wounds in case you aren't 100% positive (and if you're not an emergency medicine specialist, you aren't!) A small field guide identifying edible plants and mushrooms in your geographic area.

    29. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Two weeks with me showing you how to combine all this stuff with stuff you can find anywhere (like pebbles), especially in a disaster zone, otherwise you're just going to be in deep shit within an hour anyway.

      Time with me is limited. Start poking around the internet for this information now. For God's sake, learn to take care of yourself. Any baby cockroach can do it. Your brain is bigger. Learn to use it for somthing other than tracking your stock portfolio.

      KFG

      1. Who are you?
      2. How much of your limited time is available to share?

      Regards,

      Mike

      :)

    30. Re:My objection to the article: by Kope · · Score: 1

      Yup -- which means unless you know someone with an apiary, in the USA you don't need the honey. YOu'd be much better off with some iodine solution.

    31. Re:My objection to the article: by DangerTenor · · Score: 2, Informative
      Of course! I know why, it was in one of my favorite poems as a kid:
      "I eat my peas with honey,
      I've done it all my life.
      It makes the peas taste funny,
      but it keeps them on the knife."
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    32. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Get a good hand gun.

      So you can make a bad situation worse? So you can give a dangerous and concealable weapon to a criminal? Studies have shown that you are 43 times more likely to have the gun used against you than use it in self-defense. Your suggestion is reckless and dangerous. You should start thinking before posting.

    33. Re:My objection to the article: by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      "I've never checked luggage on an airline. Everything I need goes carryon."

      Is checking luggage a bad thing? I don't check luggage because I can't survive without my stuff. I check it because I often travel for work and need more than a couple days of clothes.

      "climbed Mt. Washington in a minor gale (by Mt. Washington standards) when I was only 6"

      While that makes you sound cool and tough, what kind of parent takes their 6 year old up a mountain in a gale?

    34. Re:My objection to the article: by msdschris · · Score: 1

      I have often wondered just how far gold is going to get you when disaster strikes. I can think of far more valuable items such as ammunition, knives, food, cigarettes even but how many people are going to (until some kind of civilized order is restored anyways) trade valuable food for some worthless shiny metal? Gold you can live without. A decent rifle with plenty of ammo would be indispensable and worth more than all the gold in the world.

    35. Re:My objection to the article: by msdschris · · Score: 1

      Someone who will take away your knife will leave you your flute/thumper/cheaterbar/bo.
      Someone who will take away my knife will inevitibly find their ass full of .45 fmj.

    36. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when you come back from your camping trip, rent and watch the matrix from netflix :-)

    37. Re:My objection to the article: by tapebytch · · Score: 1

      Quoting: "A few ounces of honey is nice to have along, but this is the most dangerous stuff in the pack. Think hard about it before including it. You can eat it if you have to, but that's not what it's here for."

      Sorry if I'm dense, but what is the the honey for again?

    38. Re:My objection to the article: by milimetric · · Score: 1

      A lot of interesting items. The thing is, if you've got a knife and something to start a fire with and you're dressed in warm waterproof clothing, you don't need any of that. You can kill things to eat and distill water to drink. Shit, you can eat leaves and mud if you need to. The only other thing I'd personally bring is rope (thin and thick).

    39. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I was curious as well. I do know that honey and beta-dyne (or TeaTree oil --even better) can be used on wounds and skin burns. About the best thing going to heal a skin injury there is.

      He might also might use in for fermentation. Or as a way to trap a bear. But I think those uses are rather impractical. You have a lot of hungry people around and more pressing needs.

      Organic glue? Trade good? Used to capture hordes of ands and eat them? It and salt will definitely attract raccoons.

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    40. Re:My objection to the article: by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Actually, tobacco or alcohol (learn how to build and run a distillery.)

      Both are important enough that people will always want them (alcohol has a wide variety of uses, tobacco should be obvious), not so valuable that (hopefully) people will feel the need to kill you for them, and relatively easy to transport.

      Otherwise, .22 rimfire shells are always good.

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    41. Re:My objection to the article: by Jaywalk · · Score: 1
      A good, sturdy pocket knife. Not a Swiss Army jobber. A single blade, like are sold to hunters. Metal, not ceramic.
      I'm sorry, but I'll have to ask you to turn in your geek card. Yes, the knife is important, but -- when everything is broken -- we'll have to fix everything. Knives are good for many tasks, but an advanced civilization leaves behind things that can be used or reused if you can get them repaired. Automobiles, even if they can't run, are a treasure trove of raw materials and can provide all sorts of useful and unexpected functions. If you have a few basic tools.

      I have a couple of good sturdy knives, but I am never ever without a Leatherman. I'd recommend the Surge. It's the same size as a good pocketknife (and has a good blade), but includes pliers, bolt grips, wirecutters, file, can opener and an assortment of screwdrivers. Not as good for skinning a deer or winning a knife fight, but perfect if you plan to skip past the stone age and into the industrial age.

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    42. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      you don't get it. He did it alone

    43. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2, Informative

      For money I'd recommend 1/10th oz gold pieces and silver.

      You could skip the size and weight of the wool blanket and use what is called a "space blanket" it is blue or black on one side, and silver on the other. It isn't as comfy as wool, but a thinsulate insulated space blanket can be a lot lighter and provide a lot more insulation than wool--and it still insulates when wet and can reflect heat to help cool you. Also, it can be used in water collection and sterilization techniques like a tarp or polyurethane sheet. Whatever emergency supplies you have should be able to fit in a back-pack and be carried with you -- so think light. Also, it can be used with a piece of rope to make a tent. So for the weight and space -- it does triple duty and is a better insulator.

      I'll second the suggestion of a big strong knife and a flint. Add in a few hack-saw blades as well and some strong braided steel wire and 100 ft of fishing line. You can fashion a lot of things with these. With these four things you can catch food, cook, build a saw and 100 other things.

      Forget the yards of cotton. There will probably be clothing everywhere and this won't do if you are getting cold. If you are in a flood zone, you might think of putting some spare clothes in a rubber, water-proof rucksack. But other than New Orleans and a few other places in this country -- like most places, you're not going to be without clothes. Warm jackets, yes. So if you are in a flood plain without high land for a mile then store some clothes -- but most of the big disasters I can think of will just leave plenty of this crap everywhere. Food, water and shelter and sanitation are your main concerns -- if you can just concentrate on those you will have time and opportunity to worry about the rest.

      Zip-lock bags are great. I suppose in all reality there is going to be a lot of plastic lying around after any disaster in America -- so I guess Leather satchels are out.

      Add Lard and Salt. You may need to preserve things. Put them in some sort of air-tight container and separate from your pack because they will attract animals. Also, cook and eat and go to the bathroom in areas away from where you sleep and store food. There are a lot of camping things to learn -- but in reality, you are going to more likely be around houses --wether in one piece or not, without electricity and water. Making water and doing without power are your two main factors -- and finding a good place too poop. Dig a hole and put some blocks and plywood on top to form a privy. Human refuse will be the biggest health risk and a lot of people will be doing the wrong thing and getting sick. I'm thinking of getting rain barrels on the downspouts of my gutters so that I always have a few 100 gallons of water. I'll put minnows in them to keep out mosquitos. Oh, and make sure you have some effective mosquito repellant -- they will become a big issue in a flood.

      Did anyone mention good wool socks? You may need to consider light canvas tennis shoes over boots if you are going to be getting over your ankles wet-- foot rot is a real issue. Some of the army boots out there are good because they are designed to dry out quickly. A water proof boot is great for protection but becomes more of a problem if you are constantly going through deep water -- drying quickly becomes more important than water proof over time.

      And tea-tree oil. Great for treating almost any infection or skin ulcer. Skin infections and dysentery (and cholera and other stomach ailments) are your major risks. Get Chlorine tablets to kill bad things in water -- if you are stranded without clean water for a while you will have to make your own. Chlorine and filters will get you water faster. You can also stretch out polyurethane over a wet area and get the condensation that is formed from the evaporated water -- that will be clean. But it is a pretty slow way to get water.

      I don't recommend heading for the woods. Most of us are not prepared for real survival -- and just think about all the "survivali

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    44. Re:My objection to the article: by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Silk works nicely as well. More expensive though, particularly when you want thickness.

      Modern replacements are often bad. Many melt quickly when exposed to heat, while natural materials tend to slowly heat up and smolder, but not really burn for a while. This is a good thing if fire will be part of your survival plan (to cook on). The other problem is they give them names like "thinsulate", which makes people think just a thin layer is all you need for all your warmth. When I get thinsilate gloves they are warmer than anything else, but thin thinsilate is colder than wet cotton.

      DO not take the above is a blanket rule. Than space blanket is useful, even though it is modern. I like neoprene for working in water, but I wouldn't want it on land.

      Look around, figure out what you will face if/when you have to leave. Traveling 1000 miles is not something you can do so don't plan too hard for conditions that are 1000 miles away. Look at what your local wild areas are like and plan to survive there. If you live in a desert you need water, and and idea of where to find more. If you live in a swamp you might need alegator protection of some sort, but there is plenty of water (but you might need to purify it!) so you can carry less.

    45. Re:My objection to the article: by eli173 · · Score: 1
      What you really need in that pack:

      kfg, reading through this and your other comments to this article indicates you have a lot of knowledge and some neat experience relevant to the topic. But getting you to distill all of that down here, and yet retain enough information for those of us who are ignorant of these things would be a bit of a challenge I'm sure.
      We're geeks here, so an information resource is valued. Are there books, web sites, magazines, etc. that would help someone (assumed) ignorant of survival skills get up to speed rapidly? What knowledge do you believe is most valuable? I suppose going camping would probably be a reasonable and fun way to get some experience with it as well?

      Out of curiosity, you mentioned in one of your replies that you never check luggage when flying... that implies you leave the knife behind, so what do you carry in that situation?
    46. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I think gold and silver are pretty practical right now. Most of the ideas I've seen put out are for a "complete collapse". But more than likely, it will be some prolonged emergency that snares up the infrastructure. Any length of time without food, water and electricity in this country -- much less transportation -- and you will get chaos. If that goes on for a long time, then currency will be useless. But before that happens, there will be much more immediate needs.

      More than likely, we will be experiencing an emergency in our home or in our car. So plan for that first.

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    47. Re:My objection to the article: by bluGill · · Score: 1

      A gun is far more likely to be used for survival (hunting) than for self-defense. A .22 isn't enough to kill a man, but will have no problem taking down a rabbit. You can live on rabbits for a long time if that is all you have.

    48. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      More than likely a dirty bomb that is more a release of plutonium than an explosion -- also more of a threat.

      I'm sure there are things like chelated barium -- or something else at the health food store that is used to cleanse the body of heavy metals. I'm not an expert but I'm sure I could google "radiation poisoning remedies".

      I remember watching "the day after" and it seemed to me that radioactive fallout and dust were the biggest immediate threat. So a breathing mask, waterproof gloves and a vinyl poncho might be the best thing for a man on the go after a dirty bomb. You'll also want your own water that wasn't exposed to air and a geiger counter. You know, the polyurethane and duct tape would actually be helpful in this case -- not for epidemics though. But really, caulking your house well should do the trick AND help keep down your energy bills should things get bad.

      The first thing for a clean-up is to get up all the dust and scrape the top inch of soil off the ground. Another reason I'd like a BobCat.

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    49. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I think if society fails, most people would want Pot over cigs. Also, it's easier to grow. Unfortunately, it will be hard to explain during "civilized" times. For trade, I'll bring a hand powered DVD/CD player so I can lighten the mood with some good Britney Spears -- I suck at the penny-whistle.

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    50. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      You have to worry about Mosquitos as well.

      Most of us aren't going to be in a place with a lot of Woods around. The last place I would want to go is the woods, they will be teeming with survivalists types all really excited that they packed a swiss army knife and a 45 ready to repopulate the earth with my wife.

      Thanks, but no thanks. I'll sit tight in my house and "survive" there. Out in the woods, there will be ten nuts to each squirrel. Learn to share before you shoot, please. ;-)

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    51. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I knew it was for wounds! Attracting bears and using it for tape was just too--suboptimal.

      Though even the "pasteurized" stuff will work. Royal jelly is even better (bees use it to preserve killed invaders in the nest). But really, sugar and beta-dyne will work as well. I was reading about a doctor researching burn patients who investigated some Indian treatments that used honey. What he found was that the bacteria actually grow faster in the presence of the sugars -- but they grow too fast without any "nutrition" and so they starve or attack each other for food. The new skin cells also take advantage of the sugars (reducing scaring) but don't have the same issue since they get nutrients from the blood. The anti-biotic takes care of the rest. The combination of honey and anti-baterial are ideal for skin repair.

      I would just recommend TeaTree oil in the pack as it is about the best anti-bacterial around--organic or otherwise.

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    52. Re:My objection to the article: by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      In no particular order;

      - don't bother with finding mushrooms, they have nearly zero caloric and nutritional value. Plus, a mistake can kill you or your liver.

      - if you have room/storage, distilled liquor. Used for drinking, sanitizing, bartering and "giving it up" to the thugs. Just rotate through stock to keep it tasting nice.

      - hard tack and dried meat (jerky) for food. Hard tack you can make in an hour in your kitchen, it's basically cooked flour. It doesn't taste TOO bad but stores for up to a year in dry conditions in your kitchen. Nuts go bad in a hurry as the oils in them go rancid. Worry about calories first, nutition after a week or two. At that point, you need to start eating the local wildlife or move locations (on foot if necessary). Dried fruit is a good thing to have. A deyhdrator can allow you to make the stuff your self more cheaply and is sorta fun.

      - A big sheet of plastic (clear) to make a solar still. (Doesn't clean out volitiles or intense contamination, but can get you fresh water from wet sand or mud.) Pack your plastic in a container to use to catch the water.

      - why limit to one tool / knife? I carry multi-tool, folding pocket knife (lockback!), a combat knife that can attach to a stick for a spear-like weapon. Usually a couple more. Add skinning zip or other specialized ones. Get a tool to sharpen all of these too. A knife is your key to getting started making naturally occuring specialized tools. Otherwise, it's knapping or pounding your own first, then you get the rest.

      - hatchet. Shelter, weapon, tool, fire, escape, entry.

      Asside from all the preparation though. The proper attitude is most important. The government is not always your friend and may consider you a threat (just ask the folks on the bridge in NO). Your safety is your responsabilty. Keep yourself informed, be ready to act.

    53. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Oh, I almost forgot... silver. Silver is a great anti-bacterial. So make sure you use a "silver spoon" if you want "the best pack". It can also remind you of our beloved president who everyone will curse as society dissolves around them (can't help any opportunity to diss that rat-bastard).

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    54. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I lived at a camp for a number of years where we built our own cabin. We used kerosene powered heaters -- and that's was it in the winter. Outside was a urinal and a privy. We also had a pump which you would need to prime with water -- but in the winter you'd want to keep salt water, or forget the pump, or dump hot coals and water in it (it was pure, rusted iron).

      Anyway, I remember waking up with black soot around my nose from that stupid kerosene heater. The space blanket was could actually get you hot--even at twenty below. But I got a horrible cold and perhaps pneumonia from sleeping in that cold cabin all winter. If you read any stories of early settlers you'll know that most died from some respiratory issue. The next problems were bad food and bad water -- but the pneumonia can get even the most practiced survivor. Getting warm and dry and comfortable at night is going to be a big issue.

      If society falls apart, long-term issues are different than short-term camping strategies -- so we should probably separate the two. I've mentioned elsewhere how I don't think a few million people going to the woods is practical. Travel is more dangerous than setting up to survive in your home. Katrina being a rare exception -- most people are at risk in their cars leaving these storms. Just look at Houston... Rita hit at calls 2 or 3 (not enough to wreck most homes) and all of those people could have been stuck in cars -- a much worse place. Most major cities would be even worse. So if you can't get on a bike or on foot to evacuate (like New York city -- one place you really don't want to hang out to survive) -- then for most people (not right on the cost), the best advice is to stay put.

      If it is a doomsday scenario ... you'd be better off working with neighbors to rebuild things and organize. On the road you'd have nothing but what you brought and be at the whim of the most unhinged in society.

      But if you survive a month, your next big issue is Pneumonia or disease (at least when it's cold).

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    55. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      We can't really support 250 Million + people without our infrastructure. So voting for good, open government is a better option than buying a hunting knife and training in survival skills. Under Carter and Clinton, FEMA was an agency that could actually help with more than blank checks. As much as I know about survival, it will still be a real "iffy" prospect if you are talking about more than 100,000 desperate people. Depending on yourself is a great thing to strive for -- and I will. But it isn't really that practical. Everyone working together to help each other out is a much better survival strategy.

      So, stop voting for the Republican's for a few years -- until they can get rid of the crooks. Getting the bums out of the White House is the single most important thing we US citizens can do to ensure our future. Financially, spiritually and physically.

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    56. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if you are allergic to wool?

      Then it really sucks to be you. That's ok, I'm intolerant to most "food" and when other people are sitting down to a hot meal I'm sometimes off scrounging for edible weeds or something, so I know what sucking to be is like. Go with one of the polyester microfibers if you really have to, in a weave, not a knit. The structure of a weave is important. They're sold under various trade names, like CoolMax. Maybe the larger piece in a water repelant Supplex nylon. When I'm not traveling ultralight I often add this to the list anyway. Staying warm when you're wet is good. Staying dry in the first place is better and the Supplex is a sturdier tarp and more pleasant to wrap in than the emergency blanket.

      There are also "technical" wool fabrics available now. Waterproof, windproof, breathable. Some people who have problems with wool don't seem to have a problem with this stuff, some do. I've fondled some samples. It's amazing stuff. It's also godawful expensive and I don't know how well it holds up to abuse. I can't afford to find out empirically.

      I wish there were some true substitute for wool. It requires more care than synthetics, doesn't last as long, it's expensive (the good stuff will run you about $20/yd. for shirtweight. Get the good stuff. It's worth it. Pendelton is one of the few brand names left on Earth that is still what it purports to be, as good as you can get) and I have vegan tendencies. Any of the synthetics do something much better than wool. Cotton is lovely for warm, dry weather and when I absolutely know it's going to be warm and dry what I almost always turn to. None of them do everything put together as well as wool though, which is why when you have to chose one it's the one to choose. When I'm traveling strictly urban I'll carry the two smaller pieces in cotton and only the larger in wool.

      Come to think of it, I'm dressed in those two pieces of cotton right now. This stuff isn't just camping/emergency gear for me. I use it all the time and almost never wear "normal" street clothes around the house or hotel room. Once you get used to wearing wraps and drapes you'll start to wonder why people ever adopted tailored clothing in the first place. In some places they still haven't.

      Don't you even think about taking away my trenchcoat though. Yeah, it's cotton, but the lining is wool.

      Aaaaaanyway, like my issues with food ya gotta do what ya gotta do and live with it. If I have to eat weeds while everyone else is eating lasagna, it's better than dying. If you can't use wool, don't use it.

      Oh, by the way, the antihistimes on the list are for allergic reactions, not colds. I should have mentioned that.

      What are some of your favorite books or links regarding being prepared?

      I was afraid someone would ask that. I really don't have any. That's why I simply said "poke around" instead of posting some links. Yeah, I've done that poking around myself, but I haven't made any particular note of any particular sites. I read them with a critical eye, pick up a clue here and there, bang my head against the keyboard at others and absorb into my brain, not my link collection, since none of it is entirely new material to me and much of it is intended to sell you something that's really just a manufactured version of what you can obtain for free as you need it (like pebbles).

      Search on firestarting, Greek clothing, Egyptian clothing, Indian clothing, draped clothing, sarong (you need to completely rethink clothing, starting with realizing the word simply means "cloth," "clothes" is simply the plural of cloth, not something from the Gap), soda can stove (there's a Wikipedia article on these), tarp craft, twisting cordage and knot craft. That'll get you started. Most of the stuff on food is, unfortunately, pitifully simplistic ( "Here's a pen and ink drawing of a burdock. Its root is edible") or completely ridiculous ("How to prepare freeze dried Nouvelle Cuisine in the woods"). I don't r

    57. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A decent rifle with plenty of ammo would be indispensable and worth more than all the gold in the world.

      I know that; and you know that, but you'd have to be an idiot to explain it to the guy who's willing to give you ammo and food for gold, now wouldn't you?

      The stuff doesn't have any real value now, except for that fact that some people think it does. Read Thoreau's "Life Without Principle." He deals with this very issue in it.

      KFG

    58. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've heard that the ultimate fiber is Dog Hair.

      There is a lady (has a website somewhere) who will make you a sweater from your own dog if you send her the hair.

      It seems that dog hair is a better insulator when it is cold than wool or down and insulates even when wet (note Labradors that swim in frozen lakes). Also, the structure of the hair fiber changes when it gets warm and it breathers better than cotton. If it didn't, all those golden retrievers would have heat stroke.

      Now which dog -- I don't know. I'm sure short-haired Dachshund is impractical -- I'm guessing that Saint Bernard's might be close to ideal. You'll have to have it washed a lot to not have that doggy smell.

      So man's best friend has man's best sweater. Of course, this would be very expensive, but if you wanted the BEST all weather clothing, look no further than Dog Hair.

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    59. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that in the Matrix you can't starve -- the feeding tubes are still connected. Thinking you are hit might cause a trauma -- but thinking you are starving can only cause an appetite.

      Neo never covered that "reality simulation" issue.

      The "there is no spoon" comment was a bit obscure for even people watching the Matrix to get. If you'd preceded it with "make sure your pack has a red pill and a blue pill" -- then the spoon reference would have worked.

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    60. Re:My objection to the article: by msdschris · · Score: 1

      I guess someone willing to plan for an apocalyptic emergency by putting identity info on USB key would be willing to trade.

    61. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .you can pack actuall clothes in it instead of raw fabric. . .

      The fabric is not to save space. It is because it is more useful than tailored clothing and it is "actuall clothes." I wear them every day.

      antibacterial gel. . .tape. . .antihystimines. . .

      On the list.

      . . .buy some freezedried foods in bulk and vacuum pack them yourself. Per unit energy it will weigh far less than the gorp, and it will keep forever.

      You don't need it to keep forever. Once a year or so buy new gorp and eat the old. Freeze dried food requires cooking which uses water and fuel which should be conserved jealously. You can't do it on the go. There are many places where you won't be allowed to do it at all. What you save in weight of food you add in weight of fuel and at times at least, water. Substitue Power Bars for gorp if you wish.

      Get a good hand gun. Spend time on the range with it. Learn to be proficient. Pack a like model with a few hundred rounds of ammo.

      Dead weight and the first thing you're going to have to ditch anyway, especially if things go well. In fact, if things go well this is going to the be the instrument for blowing it all to hell needlessly. It's only real value is in being a visible threat, even to your potential friends.

      If you're not going to run, but stay and guard the old homestead, then a gun could come in handy. Get a rifle.

      A small field guide identifying edible plants and mushrooms in your geographic area.

      You already know this. You've even eatin them all before you leave home. You also know enough to know that eating mushrooms is both risky and pointless, as their actual nutritional value is nil.

      KFG

    62. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Actually, I've heard that the ultimate fiber is Dog Hair.

      I spin, knit and weave. Very useful life skills to have and not hard to pick up. I've worked with dog and cat underhair (you don't use the visible guard hairs). Acquiring enough of it is problematic.

      Acquiring enough polar bear hair is even more problematic, but it is the ultimate animal fiber.

      Sweaters are wonderful garments, but you don't want to carry one around in your pack. Great to have on a boat (they were invented by North Atlantic fishermen) or at a base camp.

      KFG

      KFG

    63. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      There's no explaining pure city folk.

      KFG

    64. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SAS survival handbook.

      The full size version has more pictures, the pocket version is more portable.

    65. Re:My objection to the article: by Kope · · Score: 1
      Freeze dried food requires cooking which uses water and fuel which should be conserved jealously.


      Not true. It may not taste great, but it is edible without cooking or rehydration.

      The fabric is not to save space. It is because it is more useful than tailored clothing and it is "actuall clothes." I wear them every day.


      Also not true, or at least an incomplete view. Buttons, snaps, elastic and other materials in tailored clothes can be cannibalized for other uses. For every advantage you can give me of having raw cloth, I can give you a like advantage for having the extras that real clothes bring you.

      This largely comes down to a simple question: which are you more likely going to be required to survive -- the end of civilization as we know it, or a localized disaster event? The answer is obvious.

    66. Re:My objection to the article: by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well I have never voted for any Republicans, so that's not an issue. :)

      I do however, have an uber-geek like fetish for tools, knives, kits, zip ties, office supplies, etc. It's a daily struggle not to spend all my disposable income on that stuff. Fortunately, I am too much of a tightwad to give in to the urges.

      Though, I am sorta expecting (hoping) that issues will be temporary. And if they're not, then expect most people to be outright dead after a few months so would need to have skills and tools so I don't have to take them from others. (which would be evil)

    67. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      It may not taste great, but it is edible without cooking or rehydration.

      True. Food palatibilty is often a survival issue though.

      Buttons, snaps, elastic and other materials in tailored clothes can be cannibalized for other uses.

      An incomplete view. Offhand I can't even think of a use for these things that I can't otherwise accomplish quite easily and the cloths don't need to be harmed to be put to myriad uses, most of which can't be accomplished at all with tailored clothing even if you completely dismantle them, which destroys them, so then you don't even have them anymore, but you seem to be neglecting the fact that in my "system" you have a full suit of tailored clothing as well as the cloth.

      KFG

    68. Re:My objection to the article: by eheldreth · · Score: 1

      Actually in a situation that may be ongoing fermentation could be a priority and not impractical at all. Making a grog is a great way to prevent sickness if water purity is questionable, plus you can use your brew disinfect wounds if need be. You also should not underestimate the willingness of people to trade for, well anything that will help them forget the situation.

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    69. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      For money I'd recommend 1/10th oz gold pieces and silver.

      Useless in a vending machine or supermarket, which is where you'll need the money. Paper currency still works fine, and everyone locked into the City Center wouldn't have been there in the first place if they'd had a wad of hundreds, but your credit cards may be useless until you get out of the disaster zone. People locked in the Superdome wouldn't have been there if they had credit.

      I've assumed an NO type disaster, not the apocolypse. You're in a big city that's about to go belly up big time, but the other cities will be there.

      If we're talking about the total collapse of civilization as we know it, yeah, then I'm with you and have posted that elswhere.

      You could skip the size and weight of the wool blanket. . .

      I didn't say anything about a blanket. I said "cloth." Heavier than shirtweight, in large part for the mechanical strength, plus, yeah, being warmer. But it's still clothing weight.

      . . ."space blanket" it is blue or black on one side, and silver on the other.

      An emergency blanket is the lightweight, disposable version of this. It's just a mylar film. You can put it in your pocket. A space blanket cannot be put to all of the uses of the wool cloth. If you discard the cloth, you'll just need to replace it with the same weight of clothing and other fabric items anyway.

      Also, it can be used in water collection and sterilization techniques like a tarp or polyurethane sheet. Whatever emergency supplies you have should be able to fit in a back-pack and be carried with you -- so think light. Also, it can be used with a piece of rope to make a tent. So for the weight and space -- it does triple duty and is a better insulator.

      Exactly what you've got the emergency blanket for, and why you will find pebbles useful.

      Forget the yards of cotton. There will probably be clothing everywhere and this won't do if you are getting cold.

      I'm not sure you understand it's uses. It has no purpose in keeping you warm. That's what the wool, emergency blanket and shell are for. Think of it as a bit of rope that can double as a turban, shoulderbag, bandage if you like. Yes, I agree there will be clothing everywhere. I never stake my life on that, But except in the wilderness there is always clothing, sometimes free, never expensive. My pack is a "grubstake" to be built on, not the only stuff you will ever be able to use in your life from here on out. I also presume you won't be leaving home naked.

      Add Lard and Salt.

      No thank you. No use for 'em.

      . . .in reality, you are going to more likely be around houses. . .

      And stores.

      Oh, and make sure you have some effective mosquito repellant. . .

      Yes. A true major oversight on my list. My property had to be pumped out after the spring flood as a potential mosquito health hazard. Yes, I live on a river flood plain. On the high ground, thank you very much.

      Did anyone mention good wool socks?

      Yes, I did, but did not deal with other foot wear because I only talked about what to put in the pack, not what to wear and carry in your pockets.

      Chlorine and filters will get you water faster.

      The filter was on my list.

      I don't recommend heading for the woods.

      The woods does not necessarily mean the wilderness, although it could. It means the boonies, hicksville, maybe a campground, someplace with trees and streams that isn't going to be invaded by 10,000 evacuees, but might have a Piggly-Wiggley within an hours walk or so. Yes, stay away from the bloody survialists. They're nutso.

      Get someone on a radio . . .

      I neglected a pocket radio from my list.

      You will probably have to mail order these from Canada because your insurance only parcels things out in 1 month increments.

    70. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      I'll have to ask you to turn in your geek card.

      Sorry, but I'm a different sort of geek. I know and can apply technolgies, not just current technolgies. I will suit the technology to my situation.

      . . .an advanced civilization leaves behind things that can be used or reused if you can get them. . .

      I'll likely find some of these things if I wander into the woods. Civilization then is not always where civilization is now. If I don't find them I'll just make what I need from scratch. Stone age doesn't mean you can't get shit done, especially if you can back it up with modern knowledge. Stone age them then didn't know how to knit. "Stone age" me now does. In any case, the axiom was running away from the stuff breaking toward where it isn't, so that one might live to come back and fix it later when things have cooled down a bit.

      . . .perfect if you plan to skip past the stone age and into the industrial age.

      Where you find recently broken and abandoned equipment needing fixing you will also find the abandoned tools to fix them with, like in that garage over there, or you could just go to Sears.

      KFG

    71. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Silk works nicely as well.

      Weakens too much when wet and has a low coefficient of friction. If you don't belt or tie your silk sarong it'll fall right off rather quickly. With cotton or wool I can make a pure wrap wear it all day, sleep in it all night, then wear all the next day and never have to rewrap it if I don't want to. Silk's low bulk does mean it self ties neater though. My vegan tendencies make me unhappy about it too. Yeah, they're only caterpillars and all, but I don't need to boil all those caterpillars to death for a piece of cloth.

      Yes, I'm aware of the realities of wool production. I see the lamb chops in the backroom freezer when I visit the sheep farm I buy wool from. I said I had vegan tendencies.

      KFG

    72. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      1. Who are you?

      KFG. D'oh! :)

      It would be reasonable to interpret that as "nobody."

      2. How much of your limited time is available to share?

      I've tried to make today 48 hours long, but it turns out that just blows two days. Go figure. Makes my time even tighter and I'm going to have to blow some time on sleep sooner or later. In the other window I've been designing a 20' sailboat to cruise to Ireland and Scotland in. There's a young lady who's been bugging me for the latest plans and models. I'm beginning to think she has intentions of coming along for the ride and I told her it was a solo voyage when the subject first came up. Either that or she's anxious to be rid of me. She's a lovely young lady, so either way I don't want to disappoint her.

      Mike

      And I notice your name is not one that would normally be considered feminine.

      KFG

    73. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, I see. (the light goes on)

      Dude, you really have got this nailed haven't you?

      Still haven't worked out the honey, but I'm sure I'll get it figured (or read the answer somewhere else some other time)

      Of course if you'd said 'sugar', then I'd get it (the things you can do with sugar & potasium permangenate! Personally, I have sugar & some permangenate in my kit - well seperated of course!)

      Don't happen to have a url for any other bits of wisdom do you?

    74. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is checking luggage a bad thing?

      Depends on whose luggage it is.

      While that makes you sound cool and tough. . .

      I haven't a clue why and I would certainly never characterize myself in those terms, especially at that point in time. "Dork" and "wuss" come to mind though. It was something any other 6 year old dorky wuss could do.

      . . .what kind of parent takes their 6 year old up a mountain in a gale?

      The kind whose kid got lucky with parents, at least in that respect. I am not cool, but it was cool. It was my first time above the timberline.The following day was even cooler. It was dead calm and there was a really cool fog over the mountains as we followed the ridge trail over Jefferson and Monroe. It was like being in a fairy story. I'll never forget it. Then we spent a couple of days at a Dartmouth Outing Club (we were members) cabin on some lake whose name I can't remember, but I remember the canoeing. The whole thing was a "peak" experience, as it were and it taught me things.

      Thanks mom and dad.

      KFG

    75. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      KFG,

      It has been fun. You really know your stuff. There definitely needs to be a static page on this. I wasn't mentioning wool socks because I didn't think you pointed that out -- just to re-emphasize that foot-rot is a big issue (but you knew that). I would think under 4 different categories.
      Practical things every homeowner can do (subsection for renters).
      Most likely emergency equipment for a 1 week disaster.
      Most likely equipment for a 3 month shutdown of infrastructure.
      Shit hits the fan (sub category of Nuclear, Food and Transportation shut down, Government Declares Martial Law [i.e., don't calmly go into any camp -- tell them to air drop supplies])

      One other topic would be the top ten health issues and their treatment/prevention.
      You have; Pneumonia. Dysintery. Cholera. E-Coli and food poisening. Foot rot. Misquito and infected sores (in the Amazon, this would be the #1 issue -- so I've heard).
      So getting wet and staying damp is probably the biggest health issue that most don't consider. Hygiene is very important. Also, many people will have to eat rotten food -- it will be more common than the rats that start to swarm -- how can you safely "dumpster dive". You get the idea.

      My mention of gold is that I think we have a tenous, propped-up economy now. If we had another 1 month disaster, you may have people -- at least locally, not accepting currency. I don't think country-wide, but if you are dealing with locals who have given up believing anything from the Government -- came close to that in Louisiana. So, I think alternative economics is more likely than I would have thought ten years ago.

      Anyway, there is a great web site called www.urbansurvival.com that has links to great practical things to do. They consider an economic shutdown the most likely possibility and this would cause much the same situation as a shut-down of the power grid.

      And No. I don't have all these things ready. I have rope, twine, walky-talkies, and a few emergency kits. I could stand to lose a few pounds. But I have a 6 month old and a 3 year old to worry about -- so traveling into the woods is definitely out.

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    76. Re:My objection to the article: by kfg · · Score: 1

      Are there books, web sites, magazines, etc. that would help someone. . .

      Thousands of 'em. That's the problem.

      . . . get up to speed rapidly?

      No. Problem is I'd have to write a small book to explain these unhelpful answers and I'm running out of time to pay attention to this. Everything I've seen in print requires fairly informed critical analysis to seperate the valuable information from the crap, so it becomes an issue of having to bootstrap yourself up to speed to be able to use them in the first place.

      And the magazines are really trying to sell you gear, not provide you with information. Websites are better at telling how to avoid buying gear, which is one of the most valuable things to know.

      Think about the way things are in the computer/programming field. It's all very like that really.

      The best web sites are those that focus on a specific technical issue, like knot tying or firestarting, but knowing a technical skill is a very different affair than knowing when and how to apply it.

      What knowledge do you believe is most valuable?

      Ah, well, I'm going to go all cryptic on you here. The most valuable thing you can know is that your perceptions become your reality; and your perceptions deceive you. As a crude example if you look at a window don't see a knife you're behind the game already. Maybe you look at sand and see sand. Maybe you're perspicacious enough to see sandpaper. I see a drill that will pierce a block of granite, and faster than you might think. Maybe you wish to get to the rancid food in a dumpster, but are repulsed by the rats after the same. Maybe I see the rancid food as bait and the rats as fresh food. If there's trouble brewing and you don't perceive it, you're in trouble. If there is no trouble brewing, but you percieve it, you're in trouble. If you don't know how to tell the difference between the two, you're in trouble.

      Now, take your basic emergency blanket. I suppose I'd have to write a small volume just explaining what to do with this single, simple item. It's a blanket, it's a tarp (and a tarp is itself more than one thing, which is the beauty of them), it's a food attractor, it's a sun reflector to keep you cool, it's a sun reflector to keep you warm, it's an aircraft signaling device, it's a water distiller, it's a bucket, it's even, with a few other odds and ends, a small boat.

      Odds are you'll never actually have to make a boat from an emergency blanket, but it's important that you see the boat in the emergency blanket and understand the principle.

      There are websites on tarp craft. There are websites on distilling water. There are websites on attracting food. These are the individual technical skills, but you also have to know that what all of these websites are telling you is how to use your emergency blanket and some of them don't know that.

      Nor can all of the uses be enmurated. The rules are always changing on you and you have to see the properties and metaproperties of your tools and adapt them to new uses in new situations. This is the way I like to do things. It's all rather like admining a *nix network.

      Most people take the Windows approach. They buy a bit of commericial gear to perform a distinct function. To perform some other function they have to buy another bit of gear. If a bit of gear isn't available to perform a certain function they "have to do without."

      Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence deals with this issue. If you haven't read it I guess you should. Worst comes to worst you'l have read a good book.

      I suppose going camping would probably be a reasonable and fun way to get some experience with it as well?

      Yeah, it's a way to get started and to start learning, but remember camping in a camp ground is not camping on a hiking trail is not camping in Manhatten, another valuable skill. Bicycle touring is both none of these and requires elements of all of them. How

    77. Re:My objection to the article: by eli173 · · Score: 1
      Problem is I'd have to write a small book to explain these unhelpful answers and I'm running out of time to pay attention to this.

      Thanks for taking the time to reply; particularly with the examples. I can see the general point, and the examples provide several starting points I can build from.
      Thanks, 'tis appreciated.
    78. Re:My objection to the article: by 4thAce · · Score: 1

      I thought it was to brew up some mead to take your mind off of the suffering.

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      Inventor of the LOLbalrog meme.
    79. Re:My objection to the article: by nilbog · · Score: 1

      ...and the honey?

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    80. Re:My objection to the article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Read up on Mt. Washington. You can start the ascent in sunny 50 degree weather and end up in a total white-out with winds of over 100mph a half an hour later. "Worst weather on the planet."

    81. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about Polar Bear hair -- but I thought since it was hollow inside, it might never turn off its heat trapping properties. That's why I thought Dog would be better -- because they don't suffer from wearing their coats in the summer (though the downy insulating hairs are shed on many breeds).

      But you are way ahead of me on the knitting. Though realistically, I think the hand weaving will still be too labor intensive to be useful even Post apocalypse because 1) there will still be a LOT of clothing around and 2) people know how to make looms. Darning by hand is SLOW ;-)

      Boy, are we survival geeks. But, I haven't even been camping in about 10 years.

      Can you actually order a polar bear sweater? (on that regard, it is something you might wear or hang on your pack -- but in cold weather, a good jacket and boots are essential).

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    82. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I agree, if survival skills are necessary, after a few months most people would be dead.

      But I think, hunger and discomfort make people become instantly a lot more thoughtful -- so I think that most anyone would learn from any survived mistakes very quickly. You are going to go insane from mosquitos, so you'll be rubbing the sap of every tree on your body inside of two days (after not sleeping for a night) -- just as one example. After your pack is torn open by raccoons, you'll think; "maybe if I hang this away from my bag from a rope on a tree..."

      But most will die inside of two weeks from lack of good water. Food poisoning or severe dysentery. Then in a month or two from Pneumonia (if it's cold or wet). Then infected skin sores.

      But really, violence from others after a month is a real concern.

      I expect more people however, will band together and form small, self-sufficient communities. Surviving on your own really sucks -- and having someone else to dig the privy or watch your back allows you to do something else. I think there is a dangerous fantasy by some "rugged individualists" out there (I see this in Libertarians and Republicans all the time) who think somehow they can "go it alone". Going it alone is called "survival" and it sucks-- and few of us have done it. I've had a taste, and I like society, thank you very much. Anyone who thinks being Rambo is going to be about freedom and somehow glamorous is a fool. You spend all day trying to acquire food and trying to get dry or get bugs off of you. Even just a dry, sealed cabin is a major luxury. There are native indians who live out in the wilds still -- but even they form tribes and these people are a lot tougher than we are.

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    83. Re:My objection to the article: by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I'd forgotten about that.

      Making beer (or more precisely, meade) is suspected to be the main reason people got together to form societies. All that grain was dumped into pits and fermented to create a thick and sweet high protein meade.

      And before refrigeration, about all people would drink is tea (boiled) or something fermented. There was a watered down vinegar that seemed popular to the greeks and israelites in ancient times. Probably added a lot to their endurance.

      And yes, selling booze or some narcotic or music and story telling will be a very good way to be appreciated. I still remember how much I enjoyed stories by the fire at camp many years ago. Without cable TV, people will be starving for something to make them forget "survival" and how they are almost constantly itching somewhere.

      I am really getting inspired to take my kids camping now.

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  140. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by manual_overide · · Score: 1

    A rule of thumb I've learned is that if your planning for stuff that occurs more then 2 standard deviations away from the mean, then chances are you want something that is (or can at least be considered virtually) full-proof.

    At least slashdot is "full-proof" against FOOLS like yourself.

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  141. Zero Footprint Crypt by draftermath · · Score: 1

    encrypt using zero crypt, it is freeware and can make self-extracting encryption files using just a password

  142. Re:Another item for the kit... by BobandMax · · Score: 1

    Good call. Dual-purpose if you own a revolver, sturdy, reliable and very useful with a carbine barrel (16" BATF approved version, of course).

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    "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
    -- Pablo Picasso
  143. Last thing I would be worrying about. by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    "tape it to your chests so your bodies could theoretically be ID'ed if you were to die" -Chimera512

    If I'm dead, I very much doubt I'll be concerned with them IDing my body.

  144. From Katrina Ground Zero by DownTheLongRoad · · Score: 5, Informative

    Living in New Orleans has burned a few lessons into me.
    First, make a list of things to take if you have to evacuate. I forgot several things when packing up at 3am the day before the storm hit.
    Second, keeping a safety deposit box in the same area as your house is a bad idea. We have banks which have been closed for a month and will probably be closed for many more. People come in every day asking about when they can get it. People wanting to leave the country but can't get their passports, very bad news.
    Third, keep a decent supply of water and canned food. Rotate the supplies to keep them fresh but always maintain one weeks worth of supplies. Figure at least one week before outside relief gets to you. Two weeks would be a safer bet. It's easier to do than you think. A water dispenser with 3 or 4 bottles should hold you over nicely and large cans of food from Chef Boyardee will make this very inexpensive. To use those cans, make sure you have a mechanical can opener on the assumption of no electricity. Keeping a 12 pack of Toilet Paper around doesn't hurt. If anyone asks why the large amount, simply say that you get it cheaper.Keeping some cash also doesn't hurt a bit. When the power is out, checks and debit/credit cards are worthless. Multiple things can happen outside of a nuclear war or hurricane which can force you to be self-sufficient for a week or two. Trust me, when the lights don't work, the police won't answer 911 calls and people are looting, you will be forever grateful you took a little time and money to be prepared.
    Fourth, paranoia can be a good thing. My wife complained when I bought a generator and 40 gallons of gas at the start of hurricane season. She gave me even more grief when I bought canned goods and water we didn't need within the next week. She sat on the sofa while I boarded up my house like world war III was coming to New Orleans. She thanked me several times for doing all of the above when we had electricity, food, water and an unlooted house after the storm.

    Personally, I send all of my files to both Gmail and Yahoo. I have seperate accounts set up just for those files. If a disaster befalls the US that takes out both of those companies and destroys my home computer on the other side of the country, losing computer files won't matter a bit, I'll be too busy trying to survive.

    1. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by rynthetyn · · Score: 1

      To use those cans, make sure you have a mechanical can opener on the assumption of no electricity.

      This is extremely important, after hurricane Andrew, there were people who had plenty of food in their cabinets but had nothing to eat because they didn't have can openers.

      Another thing to make sure you have is a phone that plugs directly into a phone socket, cordless phones aren't going to do you any good if the power's out, and depending on your cell phone provider your cell phones may not work either (Nextel is particularly bad, in the '04 hurricane season every storm knocked out service to Nextel customers in the storm's path even when everyone else was still able to communicate). Even better, become a HAM radio operator, that way you can communicate even if all of the other channels of communication are down.

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      Eagles may soar, but weasles don't get sucked into jet engines...
    2. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      >This is extremely important, after
      >hurricane Andrew, there were people
      >who had plenty of food in their
      >cabinets but had nothing to eat
      >because they didn't have can openers.

      Hmmm. People who don't have can openers, or screwdrivers, or knives, or any sharp objects at home, or any hard surfaces at which one can throw a can? Inmates on suicide watch, perhaps? Children trapped in an inflatable bounce-room at the county fair?

      Don't get me wrong - packing a can opener is a really good idea. Opening cans using anything else is a pain in the neck, especially if you're hungry, cold, injured, or otherwise in the sort of state you're likely to be in after a major emergency.

      But are there really stories of people going hungry because they couldn't open a tin can? Am I just naive in assuming that hungry people would find a way to get through the 1/32" sheet metal standing between them and a meal?

      A hearty second on the other advice though. In a significant disaster, your cell phones and cordless phones will be useless. Land lines are better, but no guarantee. If you don't want to become a ham for some reason, at least try to get to know the hams in your neighborhood. It will come in handy when disaster strikes. In addition to the role amateur radio plays in coordinated disaster communications, local hams are a great way to get out personal messages when regular channels fail.

    3. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by Eivind · · Score: 1
      This is extremely important, after hurricane Andrew, there were people who had plenty of food in their cabinets but had nothing to eat because they didn't have can openers.

      Oh, come off it. A can is not nearly robust enough to pose a problem for a person who wants to open it but lacking the correct tool.

      A can of food can trivially and easily be opened by some sort of sharp chisel plus some blunt object. (nail, screw, hammer, corner of metal whatever) or, less trivial, and with more risk of spilling (parts of) the content by just about anything. I'd wager a bet that I'd be able to open a can of food using nothing more than say the chair on which I'm currently sitting.

      A can-opener is *convenient*, but anyone who dies from, or seriously suffers from hunger while in the posession of canned-food clearly has other problems than the lack of an opener.

    4. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      mechanical can openers are a rarity in the states then? blimey (limey).

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      If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
    5. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by justins · · Score: 1
      Third, keep a decent supply of water and canned food. Rotate the supplies to keep them fresh but always maintain one weeks worth of supplies. Figure at least one week before outside relief gets to you. Two weeks would be a safer bet.

      Very smart. One result of Katrina is that it kind of blew away the "72 hours" guideline that the government and relief agencies, and even some survivalist howtos, always recommended.
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    6. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by DownTheLongRoad · · Score: 1

      If it was something that involved 1,000 people, 72 hours would probably be a safe bet. If it involves 100,000+, even if relief get's in it probably won't be enough to get to you for awhile.

    7. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by adamjaskie · · Score: 1

      Apparently so. My family has never had an electric can opener, though. The mechanical ones work just fine, and can be cleaned, unlike the electric versions. I don't really see the point to an electric can opener. It isn't any faster. In fact, I can usually open a can faster with a mechanical can opener.

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    8. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by justins · · Score: 1
      If it was something that involved 1,000 people, 72 hours would probably be a safe bet. If it involves 100,000+, even if relief get's in it probably won't be enough to get to you for awhile.

      I think you might be misreading the lessons of Katrina. Some of the delays involved in response were because of the scale of the disaster. Others were simply because the proper forms hadn't been pushed around.

      Barring a really effective way of knowing whether your state's paper-pushers are good or not so good, get ready for some very long delays in the event of any disaster. 72 hours is just pure optimism.
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      Now before I get modded down, I be to remind whoever might read this that what I am saying is FACT. - bogaboga
    9. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      To use those cans, make sure you have a mechanical can opener on the assumption of no electricity.

      This is extremely important, after hurricane Andrew, there were people who had plenty of food in their cabinets but had nothing to eat because they didn't have can openers.

      That's just surreal! If anything, this situation's been portrayed in dozens of cartoons...

      Seriously, if you can't open a can with the largest knife in the kitchen, you're not trying hard enough: Going clockwise starting somewhere on the inside rim (depending whether you're left or right handed), push the tip of the knife in about an inch, dull side facing you, pull the knife down and you're done... then do it as many times as you dare. It'll get better with training. That's how we always did in Russia, can openers weren't that easy to get by.

    10. Re:From Katrina Ground Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fourth, paranoia can be a good thing. My wife complained when I bought a generator and 40 gallons of gas at the start of hurricane season. She gave me even more grief when I bought canned goods and water we didn't need within the next week. She sat on the sofa while I boarded up my house like world war III was coming to New Orleans. She thanked me several times for doing all of the above when we had electricity, food, water and an unlooted house after the storm

      Dude, you are SO going to be able to milk that for years!

      Any time you want to get that brand new gizmo, you can trot out the line 'honey, don't you remember back in 2005 when Katrina came around? Yes, we really do need this.'

      But seriously, congratulations for taking a bit of responsibility for your own actions/destiny.

  145. Mandatory song... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We Didn't Start The Fire" by Billy Joel. It is important to have the right soundtrack for any event.

    1. Re:Mandatory song... by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Billy Freaking Joel? You'd get pillaged.

      My advice: Anything by Einherjer. Fits the theme of the day much better than some pansy pasty white boy.

  146. Great idea by JumperCable · · Score: 1

    Too bad it will only last 2 years max.

  147. none of the above by Tsiangkun · · Score: 1

    Of course I haven't RTFA, but If the situation is so dire that I won't be able to return, government documentation is the last of my concerns.

    My kit is more survival oriented. Backpack, bivy sack, gun, ceramic water filter, flint and knife. Anything else I need can be improvised, or taken by force.

    In these situations, lots of people will be without papers. I want to be among them, rather than amongst the dead holding their encrypted USB drives detailing their last morgage payment, car loans, etc.

  148. Medic Alert by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

    For basic, basic information, why not engrave it on a medic-alert-type bracelet? That way if you're ever rendered unconscious (or god-forbid, dead), at least you're identifiable.

  149. Re:Encryption (blowfish) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try replacing the semicolon with &&

  150. Are digital copies good enough? by 0xA · · Score: 1

    Not to pee on your parade or anything but I'm really wondering if say a PDF scan of your documents will be useful. I can't imagine being able to submit a digital copy of a birth certificate if you want to get a replacemnt passport or something. I'm sure they will want the actual document.

  151. A fat stash of sweet weed by IcarusMoth · · Score: 1

    ... Because you never know when you'll need to bribe some hippies for their tie-dye painted 1 speed. And even if you have rice krispy treats and ding-dongs, you know, you just know; that with enough weed to give them the munchies you could hardball them for their mexican poncho and all natural soap.

  152. And of course ... by wfWebber · · Score: 1

    an encrypted USB stick is gonna be an extremely useful tool for medics, forensics, etc. That is, if they can crack the code by the time you bite the bullet. Otherwise it's just gonna be a useless piece of plastic you've been carrying around giving you that nice and warm "I feel safe" feeling. Seriously, what's the use of encrypting the stuff you *want* other people to be able to read?

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    Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
  153. PNY: Attache 256MB by sconeu · · Score: 1

    Rationale: The 256MB edition has a hardware switch for write protect. My 1GB version doesn't have that.

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    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  154. wow by msormune · · Score: 1

    Doesn't it suck to live in such fear? Maybe you should start thinking about living in some other country.

  155. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CDR, hah!
    I have plenty of rotting CDRs that are showing data damage (MPEG movies tends to deteriorate rather quickly when CDR rot occurs). Although I don't exactly store it in ideal condition, it isn't exposed to high heat or high humidity.
    I'd say somehow opening a safe deposit box in a country unlikely to be attacked (yes they do exist, try Canada or Switzerland), or hell, even just the other side of the country in the suburbs, and sticking a copy of important docs in there should be enough. If there's a I'm never going to be able to return to event happening, you're not likely to live through it. If you do, you'll have the time to pick up the stuff from wherever you stashed it.
    Or you could simply vote for someone who isn't so bloody warmongering would help prevent those type of events from happening in the first place.

  156. Here's a radical idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of making a list of your credit card numbers, why don't you, oh, I don't know... take your credit cards with you? It's not like they are difficult to carry around or locked up somewhere that you can't get at them - you carry them around with you normally FFS!

  157. Other ideas... by OneFix · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not just save your "important" data on a drive mounted in a removable IDE drive bay. If you ever need to take everything, you just shut down the machine and take the drive... Yes, this may be a little heavier than a USB flash drive... You could build a set of cron jobs (like I have) to back up your important directories to the removable drive on a nightly basis...

    "Documents and Settings" for a Windoze box
    "/var/mail" for Linux
    User directories under Linux
    Bookmarks, Mail Client directories (Thunderbird, Evolution, etc), IM directories (GAIM, Trillian, Google Talk, etc)

    This would probably be preferable to say an external USB/Firewire drive, because it would be much faster for standard operations and would be connected until you took it with you...not to mention, there's more you can do for a damaged harddisk than a damaged USB flash drive...hard drives are sealed...most flash drives are not...there's a whole industry built on recovery of harddisks...not so on flash drives (not yet...it's probably coming)...

    Or better yet, why not use one of the GMail Filesystem. This would certainly be more likely to survive...you wouldn't need to "grab" anything...all you would need is a machine with web access...keep something like 7-zip for Windows, GPG (or what ever you used to encrypt the data), and the GFS software for Windoze and Linux...you wouldn't really even need the archives, just a "draft" message with links to the files/projects. You could use another online filesystem and mirror the accounts (don't use software raid, just use 2 devices), so you could always recover the data if you lost access to one account.

    But then again, what ever happened to the idea of keeping a safety deposit box in another city??? You can get to it once you are "safe"...not to mention that the authenticity of "scanned" copies of documents would be questioned because of Photoshop/Gimp...with a safety deposit box, you could have notarized, physical copies...Many of the things you list are things that you really don't need at home and generally wouldn't mind driving to get when/if the need arises (SSN, wills, Birth Certificates, Tax Returns, negatives of family photos, etc)...which would make a much more difficult situation easier for you (knowing that your important personal documents were safe)...who wants to worry if the only scan of their birth certificate was going to survive when they themselves are in danger...not me...

    If you DO go with the USB Key idea, then don't trust any of the "built-in" security schemes and use your own encryption and buy 2 and use software RAID to mirror the drives. That way the data could be rebuilt if either one fails...you could each carry one of them as well...in case something happened to the other one...also beware of the pitfalls of flash memory (limited number of writes comes to mind right away)...

    Any idea of saving hardware is moot if you're thinking of a flood in a major city (like NYC), because even waterproof hardware would be destroyed by all of the chemicals that would be floating in the water...

    1. Re:Other ideas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a "Windoze box?" Grow up and stop posting in 1337-speak.

  158. thumbdrive by neo0983 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Get the SanDisk Cruiser Titanium. I have one of these and am very impressed with it. It has a hard shell and the usb connector retracts into the device, unlike the other drives who have a cheap plastic cap that most people loose in a week. As for data secerity, Us GPG to encrypt the contents to a self extracting encrypted archive or just encrypt the data and store a copy of GPG on the drive with the data. If you have more data to backup than what will fit on a thumbdrive then there is the option of an external HDD case. This allows you to place a 300gb hard drive in an external usb enclosure. when the flood waters come you can grab the drive and run.

  159. iPod with encrypted files, like PGP Disk by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    The music player choice means it is always with you. If you have a waterproof "sport" case for it even better. A reason to get that new 80 Gig iPod (wait for a few days) as a corporate expense. It is your backup drive. :) Just put a virtual encrypted disk image like PGP Disk had and off you go. Drag and drop your life.

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    I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!

  160. Swimming by cwesley · · Score: 1

    In the event you find yourself swimming, I'd seal the drive in a Ziplock baggie.

  161. Encrypted?! Are you crazy? by tsa · · Score: 1

    So there you are, laying unconscious on the pavement. Luckily the brave military man finds you before you die. The first thing he does is put your USB stick in his computer to see if you have any dangerous deseases that he should know about. But, since you were so obsessed with privacy and encrypted all your data, he is unable to read yuor stick. He injects you with the standard elixer of life, for which you happen to be allergic. You die after a few minutes of agonizing pain.

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    -- Cheers!

  162. and what if im the dali lama? by UltimaL337Star · · Score: 1

    and does it come with a warrenty?

  163. I've never understood this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What exactly is your family's legacy? I understand wanting to preserve family portraits for one, two, or maybe even three generations, but after that it is pointless. It's just useless data taking up space. Think about it. You most likely remember your father (especially if he is still alive). You probably have fond memories of your grandfather. You might even have very faint memories of your great-grandfather. One day, unless you hit it big in some way (fame, money, power, etc), you are doomed to the same fate as your great-great-grandfather: at best a name and picture on a family tree; at worst a forgotten memory. I have just never understood the whole deal with genealogy. I just don't get it.

  164. Pelican case for storage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Pelican makes some small cases designed for items like cell phones, digital cameras etc.
    They also make larger cases often used to protect sensitive equipment from harse environments. Their cases are designed to be waterproof and bomb proof. They have air pressure valves to compensate for changes in air pressure, and they can withstand a car driving over them.

    Very tough stuff, i'd try their small case to protect a usb key with that kind of info on it. It should keep such a key protected from pretty much everything. And if you have other things to protect you'd probably want to look at their normal size cases.

  165. Just one? by $exyNerdie · · Score: 1

    Condensing Your Life on to a USB Flash Drive?

    Well, if it doesn't fit on one, buy in bulk :-)

  166. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse me, but no. In this case, you're the one who's wrong. That's a perfectly valid phrase. It means that something is fully proof against anything that could possibly happen to it.

    Note that this is dramatically different from "fool-proof" which applies more to processes.

  167. no whining. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Symetrical crypto. has pretty good solutions to keep data secure : all it needs is a secret. Use AES, get any decent key, and *learn it* (no whining here) in whatever form you'll find suitable. I found that learning a 128b keys in a pronounceable form is quite easier than I expected.

    Once your data is crypted with your ./favcrypto, publish the data on internet, and forget about storage.

  168. Faraday cage. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I always knew that those script kiddies with the see-thru lexan cases would come to a bad end...

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  169. Easy! Just encrypt all your info to a PGP file... by callipygian-showsyst · · Score: 1
    Just encrypt all your info to a PGP file, and mail it to your GMAIL account! Let the folks at Google worry about holding it.

    Seriously, storing the PGP file in a bunch of places around the world is probably the best bet.

  170. Speaking of second copies... (raid optical?) by lullabud · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to make a raid array of opitcal drives that you've burned identical copies of so that you could reconstruct a complete set of media from multiple damaged copies? That would be cool, you know. You and your family could all keep copies of each others backup CD's.

    1. Re:Speaking of second copies... (raid optical?) by Meostro · · Score: 1

      Create multiple copies of your base data and include error recovery codes.

      RAR has error recovery features built in, there are also add-on tools to create parity/error correction blocks from whatever data you throw at it.

      Of course if multiple copies from different sources are all damaged, you probably have bigger problems than getting your "important" data back.

    2. Re:Speaking of second copies... (raid optical?) by lullabud · · Score: 1
      Of course if multiple copies from different sources are all damaged, you probably have bigger problems than getting your "important" data back.

      That's not necessarily true. Optical media scratches easily and it's possible that within a few years you might end up with a large scratch across an important chunk of information, something that parity errors won't fix. I'm speaking from experience here, and it would be great to know a way to recover large chunks of information from two damaged sets.

      You mentioning RAR did give me an idea though, and that would be to chunk up the archive, then any damaged parts of it could possibly be recovered from other discs... Hmmm.... It'd be nice if something could just mount both cd's and use them both like a redundant array though.
    3. Re:Speaking of second copies... (raid optical?) by raile · · Score: 1

      Not that I know of, but what I do is keep three copies of important data on CD/DVD media in different geographic locations. Each disk is burned to about 90% capacity, with the remaining 10% of data as PAR2 parity files, which sort of implements what you're getting at.

  171. Life Disk by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't forget to scan all your family photos and all the photos from your parents collections of you and your siblings. Scan high resolution like 600 DPI.

        Scan examples of the work that you have done. Source code, schematics, written documentation, blueprints, photos, letters of recommendation. Include these with the family photos and financial info. Don't forget medical records (remember also childhood immunizations and disease records, ask your parents if you don't have them) and hi-res scans of any X-Ray photos and dental records if you have them.

        Buy or borrow a DVD recorder and copy all your photos, along with high resolution scans of birth certificates, tax returns, property deeds, financial records, etc. onto many copys of DVD ROM of all this data. Encrypt only the sensitive financial data. Make a copy of your and your family member's finger prints. Be sure to encrypt these before writing them to the disk. Make recordings of your voice. Record your spouse. Record your kids. Shrink these recordings into MP3 and OGG files (high quality 256KBPS) and include them on the disk. Not sure what to say? Dictate a will. Make a list of all your possessions. Include serial numbers, descriptions, digital photos, and estimated value. X sweaters, Y pairs of underwear, ect.

        When you've done all this stuff listed above, make many copies of the CD/DVD-ROM. DVD-ROM blanks and CD ROM blanks are very cheap now (about 50 cents or less) and they can hold a great deal of information and photos. Send a copy each to your parents and spouse's parents.

        Keep a copy of this disk in your car. If you get hit with a big disaster and have to get away quickly, you most likely will not remember to gather this stuff or you may have forgotten where your 'life disk' is located.

        I'm not sure if this applies to you but sooner or later it applies to most people. If you are 'illegal', no proper immigration documentation, no passport, expired visa, fugitive from computerized bench arrest warrants regardless of how long ago it was issued, or if you are at risk of arrest because of lifestyle (you sell weed for a living) or are a political activist in a dictatorship, you might consider creating a complete new and separate identity for yourself. And keep the paperwork for this identity on a CD-ROM, encrypted of course. Put a few soft-core porn pictures (be sure to use ones that are not illegal) unencrypted on the CD in case you are forced to display the contents of the CD to the police (resulting from a search at a traffic stop or a random police stop-and-frisk on the street). You may want to have this info on a 512K Flash Disk (or a 3.5 inch mini CD) that you can carry with you at all times. If you are undocumented or a fugitive, you may find that you have to escape without being able to go back to your home to get your papers, contacts, or alternate identity papers. In this case, having a flash disk with a complete new identity on it is a big help in maintaining your freedom.

    Shalom

    1. Re:Life Disk by covertbadger · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't forget the bananas. We'll need those when the radiation turns us all into monkeys.

    2. Re:Life Disk by bowronch · · Score: 1

      Don't forget a towel.

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    3. Re:Life Disk by dark_fishbowl · · Score: 0

      yeah.
      Thanks for all the fish.

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    4. Re:Life Disk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny



      "Jesus Christ, dude!!"

    5. Re:Life Disk by instarx · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't forget medical records (remember also childhood immunizations and disease records, ask your parents if you don't have them) and hi-res scans of any X-Ray photos and dental records if you have them.

      DNA samples from you and all family members (hair samples in tiny individually labeled plastic bags would be good)

  172. Cocktail Coasters are Fashionable by lullabud · · Score: 1

    Yeah, she really is, because DVD+R media is *SO* fashionable at cocktail parties. Psha, didn't you know? Where *have* you been??

    1. Re:Cocktail Coasters are Fashionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of odd for anyone's parents to do anything fashionable.

  173. I'd take toilet paper. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know you can rough it with leaves and stuff, but come on, you've got a ton of other stuff to worry about. Why add an abraded arse to it?

  174. Yes, but... by lullabud · · Score: 1

    How many insurgents does it take to change the lighbulb? Anybody? Anybody?

  175. Wtf? by imsabbel · · Score: 1

    CDs more robust than flash drives?
    What have you been smoking?.

    Flash is nearly unkillable.
    CDs, otoh, need just a bad scratch and they are done for. COULD be happening in an "shit happens" scenario like descriped in the article... Not to mention that for me, CD-Rs showed the habbit of becoming sponaniously unreadable after a few months/years quite often, which is something you _dont_ want for an emergency storage.

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    1. Re:Wtf? by Wonko · · Score: 1

      Flash is nearly unkillable.

      I wouldn't want to trust important data in possibly harsh conditions to magnetic or electronic media. If you actually had to swim safety in New Orleans, what would salt water do to a flash drive? I have heard all the stories about what people accidentally running assorted flash memory through the washer/dryer. That doesn't mean I am going to trust it in a crisis :).

      I am going to also assume that you haven't worn out any flash based media due to too many writes?

      CDs, otoh, need just a bad scratch and they are done for.

      Scratches are easily buffed out. You are probably correct that a CDR wouldn't be safe enough, because the data surface is generally just a sticker on the back of the disc. Writable DVDs on the other hand have the data surface sealed in plastic.

      I am also going to imagine that you would at least have this valuable data disc in a jewel case to prevent scratches. I doubt salt water would do anything to the plastic, and if there is anything in the water that would disolve the plastic it would do the same to a flash drive.

      Not to mention that for me, CD-Rs showed the habbit of becoming sponaniously unreadable after a few months/years quite often, which is something you _dont_ want for an emergency storage.

      There are plenty of claims as to how long a CDR will last. I still have one or two discs that were burned right after I got my first 2x CD burner (back when they were about $350, I assume that is approaching 10 years). They are still readable. Every CDR I remember encountering problems with was either scratched, or just wouldn't read in a particular drive.

      I would hope that if you were using a CDR or DVD to store this information that you woulnd't just let it sit in the closet for 10 years. I would hope you would be keeping it up to date every year or two. That would very easily fix the bitrot issue.

      I really think the better option is to just keep a backup of this data as far away from where you live as is possible. If there is a disaster that impacts the east and west coast at the same time I doubt anyone will care about credit card numbers and birth certificates :p.

    2. Re:Wtf? by ObitMan · · Score: 1

      but data of this type is updated frequently.
      Account #'s change.
      new data is added
      outdated info is removed.

      so a CD-R isn't really that bad for this purpose.
      My stuff is on one. every 3-6 mos i update it and break the old one.

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  176. Freakin Sweeeeeet by lullabud · · Score: 1

    That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. :) Very very cool... Now if they only had it for OS X. But oh, I could store an encrypted DMG file in that free-space noise! 3-layer dual-platform plausible deniability encryption. Hell yeah. Then I'll ROT-13 it just for good measure.

  177. I would take.... by RotateLeftByte · · Score: 1

    A Clockwork Radio or a Clockwork Powergenerator for charging all those batteries modern day kit
    AND
    One of those solar cells that you can buy to trickle charge your car battery while it is sitting on your parcel shelf.

    This way, you can keep in contact with whats going on around you and charge your ipod /mobile phone/flashlight etc.

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  178. Other small valuable items by Simonetta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would include some condoms (about 8), a few packs of cigarettes (even if you don't smoke, they are fantastic for bartering with nicotine addicts, and an emergency contraception kit of a few birth-control pills, like a unit of Plan B (an actual American product sold for post-coital contraception.) If you are a male, this seems absurd. But if you meet women in an emergency situation who do need this (inquire very discretely), they will be your friends and allies to their dying day.
          If you can find one, a hand-crank flashlight with super-bright white LED bulbs and a hand-crank radio would be good too. An unusual item that might be useful would be a software program for the USB keychain that has a 10000-word English/Spanish dictionary/phrase book. A PDF file of wild edible plants (with photos and drawings) would be more useful than a cannibal cookbook.

    1. Re:Other small valuable items by nten · · Score: 1

      He mentioned having a hand crank charger, so probably doesn't need a hand crank radio. I'm lazy, so is a hand crank charger lighter than one of those solar rolls you can get at REI? Although I guess if its a nuclear winter solar rolls will be out, but then so will I. You left out some iodine tabs and a filter. Thats way more water than you can carry otherwise. Some rain gear might not be wasted space either. I know this is /. and all, but in those circumstances having a hand gun would make a lot of sense. I hadn't thought about taking nicotine to barter, thats smart, how long does such a thing stay fresh? Do I need to replace the ones in my bag every so often? I guess they won't be worried about the freshness if they have been without very long.

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  179. Encryption by Dwonis · · Score: 1

    Put an OpenPGP-encrypted zip file onto the drive. Also include a ZIP archiver and PGP decryption program.

  180. Don't encrypt! by Andabata · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you are considering digital storage for an emergency situation, encrypt it while there is no emergency, but if you have at least 5 minutes warning (which is often the case), copy it un-encrypted. Honestly, if you need to access it, you may find yourself looking hard for a computer where to do it, and discover that you can't install the encryption sw you included in the pen, or have no permission to do it, or that you need to salvage the contents of the pen... really, using encryption for emergency situations is a bad idea. You need to get over it ALIVE, and that should be the main concern. Not getting yourself "a year's worth of food inside a safe but without its key".

  181. Dubloons by hippo · · Score: 1

    You need a bag of bling first, then as many tins of SPAM as you can carry, nice to have a bycycle too.

  182. Oh, yeah. Part deux. by kfg · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying it's foolish to be prepared, but one has to wonder if spending so much time on something so improbable (yes, even after Katrina) is really worth it. . .

    It actually doesn't take very long, and it's interesting besides. The gear, knowledge and ablities are useful to have even if you never leave Manhatten. In fact, I generally carry a certain number of the items on the list when I'm going into Manhatten for a day or three.

    If you really want safety, move to a location where there's less chance for natural disaster.

    Less chance doesn't mean little chance. I live in upstate NY, one of the safer places all told, and we still manage to have community sized disasters on a reasonably regular basis. The world was not designed for safty. We were only designed so that enough of us live to child bearing age to continue the survival of the species.

    In any case preparedness is an axiom of the article.

    KFG

  183. Blowfish hasn't been broken yet.... by nazzdeq · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...not as far as anyone knows at least. The real question is how the hell do you plan on decrypting it? Computers
    might be fried, the program you used my implement the encryption in a strange way, so you need that software too.

    Not to mention if the shit really hit the fan, who cares about that kind of data anyway. Make up a new name for yourself
    and move on.

  184. Data Wills? by fongaboo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some friends and I have agreed to form a pact where we act as data guardians for each other in the case of an early demise. After seeing what went on after one of our young friend's untimely demise, we decided we wanted to have contingency as to what should happen to our personal data and hardware after we pass on. I am wondering if anyone else has done something similar.

    We decided that we'd each get a USB thumb drive and put a password protected RAR file that contains a text document that includes login/passwords to all our personal accounts, lists of online acquaintances who should be informed of our passing and details of our desires for what will be done with personal hardware and data. We've then taped the thumbdrive to the inside of the case of our main desktop computer. We then appointed another person in the group to be our guardian, to then come and retrieve the drive and carry out our wishes.

    It's all ad-hoc for now, but when I get around to making a real will, I want to include this as a clause and make it 'official'.

    Opinions?

  185. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by ndogg · · Score: 1

    If data integrity is that important, one should consider getting a silver or gold archive disc.

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  186. PR article by tbspit · · Score: 1

    The New York Times article is just a PR article for the E-HealthKey. The article reminded me of an essay by Paul Graham, The Submarine.

  187. pah! by Errtu76 · · Score: 1

    I run Windows XP, totally unpatched. I post my IP address to forums. That way, i'll be sure to get hacked. Now if i ever have to leave my home, i'm sure there are hundreds of copies out there of my data. No need to make another backup eh. Better use that space for toilet paper, as somebody already suggested. Oh, and some beers and peanuts in case you can hitch a ride.

  188. Advice: Don't! by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    If civilisation as we know it really does break down, none of that information will be important to you anyway. If anybody comes to rescue you, their immediate concerns won't be with proving you are who you say you are. If nobody comes to rescue you, it won't matter. As for storing the data on a solid state flash memory device ..... that's just plain dumb. Can you really be sure that it will work if and when the time comes? Can you even be sure there will be any equipment capable of reading it? On the other hand, if civilisation as we know it doesn't break down, that information -- amounting to a full impersonation kit -- could too easily be used against you.

    Given the balance of probabilities, I'd say that storing details of your life on an unreliable solid-state memory device is asking for trouble. Just memorise your name, address and identity number, and remember it's three more pieces of information than many people will be able to remember in an emergency.

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  189. how-to? by fyrewater · · Score: 1

    Okay, so how about a USB flash drive (personally, I use a SanDisk and - although it's decided it doesn't want to work with my desktop PC at all - it works great with my laptop)...

    1) Place all of your files in a single top-level folder.
    2) Install GPG or PGP (I prefer GPG) on your system. Generate the strongest possible key you can.
    3) Encrypt the folder (and therefore all sub-folders) containing your data.
    4) Copy the GPG installer and your public key onto the flash drive, leaving it un-encrypted.

    There, now you have the important stuff encrypted, with everything neccesary to unencrypt it right on the same drive. Sure it's not the most secure thing in the world, but c'mon.. what is?

    Which reminds me.. my flash drive came with a lanyard to hang your drive around your neck... who does that?!

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  190. I've got three kits by DrXym · · Score: 1

    a) A regular backup of personal and work related stuff to DVD+RW. Stored in a firesafe.
    b) A "personal" kit backup on USB 512Mb flash that I take on travel. This consists of my insurance photos, password safe, finance records, GPG keys, bookmarks, important docs and some software such as firefox, TomsRTBT Linux etc.
    c) An "emergency kit" encrypted self-extracting executable uploaded to a website. Just contains a mini version of insurance photos, password safe, finance records etc.

    I hope between the three of them that I'm left with *something* if my house burnt to the ground or something else happened. The trouble is keeping them all in sync and it normally requires me to remember to manually copy files from here or there before going away somewhere. I'd probably write a script to automate the syncing if I could be bothered. I've been meaning to play around with Ruby or Python so maybe that would be an opportunity to do all this.

    On top of that I've just gotten Subversion running on Win32. This just runs locally so it's not necessarily a backup in itself, but I've started to use it for storing documents and all my programming work. I also back it up to DVD+RW from time to time. I never bothered with source control before now when it was my own stuff, but since trying to use the seriously screwed visual editor in Eclipse, I'm starting to appreciate that a source level undo is actually useful.

  191. Planning for the worst so it'll never happen? by sbryant · · Score: 1

    While Murphy dictates that if you don't plan for the worst, it will happen, we should all also know that washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. Assume you'll lose either way.

    If the information is really that important to you, keep two backups of it, and use different types of media. By that I mean that if one is magnetic, make sure that the other one isn't.

    I'd recommend a 2.5" HD in its own enclosure and DVD-RAM. Don't use DVD +/- RW as they just aren't as robust. The rewritable RWs die far too quickly.

    Consider what format your backup creates: a simple copy of all of your data files means that recovery is extremely simple but incremental changes and change history are more awkward. That probably isn't an issue for you, as a simple full copy is probably closest to what you want. It also means you are not relying on any specific software, which is very important if you need to perform an out-of-environment recovery.

    -- Steve

  192. Silly by PhilHibbs · · Score: 1

    If there is a disaster of the scale that you are considering, then no-one is going to take even the time that it would take to crack an encrypted .zip file to steal your identity. Better to store it in plain text so that it can be used to identify your bodies, that's just about all that anyone's going to be interested in doing with it.

  193. Paper Microcopies, solicited and vacuumwrapped by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    The USB drive isn't the safest way.
    An emergency kit of quarter-than-original sized copies of all documents, stamped and signed by an atourney/solicitor are the best to hold up against official double checking. When things get tough, no one's gonna take anything digital for granted. In 5 years from now you'll be able to fake anything you want with a PDA and a cheap off-the-shelf printer.
    Do good small fotocopies of the important stuff, fold them well and vacuumwrap them twice. After you've had them checked, verfied and stamped and signed by a solicitor that is.
    If you have business information that's imporrtant to you (and you only) and you want to squeeze it onto USB Chip, I recommmend some OSS filsesystem and way of encryption - they're the most likely to be readable a few decades from now. ext2, maybe fat16 or both as Filesystem. But then again, where to keep the crypto-key? ... Consider some sort of obfuscation rather than encryption - you want to be able to extract data in any situation without having to memorize 4kb of gibberish.

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  194. I read once.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That all you really need is your towl

  195. Flash Memory recommendation by jabagi · · Score: 1
    http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair/flash_memory. html#fv

    This is what I would recommend for such a task. There are better options but this is the best mainstream option. From the reviews I have read, this drive is very durable. You can even bounce it off walls :)

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  196. why bother? by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

    Why bother keeping all that stuff?

    If the shit hits the fan that severely, you're not going to care about your "identity", and it's really not going to be important. Food, water, and remaining alive will be far greater concerns than your mother's maden name.

    Not only that, but it would a good time to fall underneath the radar, as it were. Start over.

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  197. You can run software off your drive... by mydigitalself · · Score: 1

    You should take a look at U3. It's a platform that stores and runs software, and looking at their software listings, under Security they seem to have some encryption packages available. It also runs Skype, so I can carry it around and use it on stupid internet cafe's that don't have it installed.

  198. snakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    snakes don't live in tundra. :D

    and you know, there's really nothing better than living somewhere there's both internet (sat) and frequent consideration on staying alive properly.

  199. USB devices by uohcicds · · Score: 1

    To be honest, USB devices can be pretty flaky and I might not trust them to be sufficiently robust to hold such important docs.

    I would probably suggest using something designed for the rigours of mobile use, like an SD card: the bigger the better

    The issue of how the data should be stored is a lttle more thorny. An encrypted filsystem might be one option, but I think I'd prefer it to be sitting on something unencrypted and then use file encryption to store the data on that fs. It then means you've got the option of using tools that are more freely available to read the file data in several enviroments: gpg for example. This isn't really a cheerleading post for gpg per se, it's just that because it's availaable cross-platform, you maximise your chances of being able to read the data back when you need it.

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    It's not you: I'm just this horrifically socially awkward with everybody.
  200. All I need is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one happily delusional friend like you, upon whom I can rely during this catastrophic fantasy you dream of nightly.

    1. Re:All I need is... by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .this catastrophic fantasy you dream of nightly.

      I can't help it. I have to go into Manhatten now and again. It's a musician thang. The catastrophe of the place is no fantasy. I've seen it with my own eyes. Yes, I have the odd night where I toss and turn over it.

      It does, however, stand as a momument to humanity's ability to adapt and survive in even the most inhospitable of environments.

      KFG

  201. TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    How to Prepare for One Really Quick Getaway

    By DAMON DARLIN

    What is the first thing you will grab from your home if your house floods, catches on fire or comes tumbling down in an earthquake? Family photos? The pets? The Hummel figurines?

    It probably will not be your financial and medical records, the very things you will need to rebuild your life after a disaster. If you are like most people, you have documents stashed in various places throughout your home, perhaps some under lock and key. And with your mind racing as danger hits, you are not going to have the time or wherewithal to figure out which ones you need.

    In any case, your financial and medical records would be such a large and unwieldy pile that you would just say forget about it, grab Fluffy and scramble out of there. Indeed, that is probably your reaction any time someone suggests you get your records organized.

    But wait. Do not run away yet. New technology is making this tedious task less odious, and surprisingly, it is not that expensive.

    All told, you can secure your records in a weekend afternoon. Even better, doing all this has a wonderful side effect: it can put you in better financial shape to survive a disaster because you will end up a lot smarter about how you spend and save money. For instance, one of the first things to do is compile a list of where everything is - account numbers and the locations of important documents. The list will help you or anyone in your family locate things you need for the insurance adjuster or relief worker. (Download a template for this information that you can place right on your computer.)

    This is really the "if hit by a bus" list that financial planners have been recommending you compile for your heirs. If you think of the list that way, you will be reminded of your mortality and you will not want to write it. But think of the families displaced by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita or by California wildfires, and the psychological barrier collapses. The list becomes a much easier sell now, said Brent Neiser, a director for the National Endowment for Financial Education. "It forces you to think," he said.

    Here is what else you have to do to protect your records and yourself:

    RECORD: Once you have made your basic list, save it on a U.S.B. flash drive. A 256-megabyte drive, which you can buy for $20 or even less if you catch a store promotion, gives you enough space for that file and all the other suggestions mentioned below.

    Several of the big flash drive makers, like SanDisk and Lexar Media, are now selling more advanced drives that allow you to encrypt the data so others cannot read it without knowing the alphanumeric key that unlocks the code. Some are even shock proofed with heavier rubber and plastic coatings. Those will cost about $10 to $20 more, but are certainly worth it when you consider the sensitivity of the data on them.

    It is also a good idea to copy the contents onto additional drives for backup and for other members of the family.

    BONUS: When you are listing the credit cards, also note the credit limits so you will know how much you could spend in an emergency. If your credit cards are at their limits now, you are not going to have any cushion to fall back on. So start paying off balances, beginning with the card carrying the highest interest rate.

    SCAN: Some important documents are on paper and you will want copies of them with you: tax returns for the last three years (Form 1040 is all you will need in an emergency), a recent pay stub, birth certificates, marriage license, the deed to your home and insurance policy pages that list your coverage. If you do not hav

  202. Try this on for size by acid_zebra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keepass is an excellent free, opensource, no-install password/data manager featuring strong crypto. here are a few pointers to USB key-based app collections that I've bookmarked over time.

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    -- No Sig is a Good Sig
  203. What's wrong with your $HOME away from home? by JamaisVu · · Score: 1

    I have been travelling in various countries in the U.S., Europe, and Africa for several years now, and I don't own a computer normally. So, I ssh into my account, where my files are stored (in Texas, I believe) and voila. Anything that's sensitive I encrypt. Now, storing my private key on a CD is an issue, and I should move to a USB drive or something for that maybe. Or not. But cron a job to scp the encrypted data to another box and you're redundant-ized.

    The other [and more significant] problem with storing the data AND the private key [which you'd have to do] on that USB device is that it renders the encryption a bit irrelevant. It could be brute-forced if found by someone with minimal know-how and lots of cycles. You're keeping the key under the doormat as it were.

    I could understand the argument that you _may not_ have network access, or electricity, etc., but if that's the case and it were beyond a regional scope - government wouldn't be operating very much. You will have to find a computer for the USB drive anyway.

    I'm not worried, personally. I've got my $HOME away from home.

    Panix and Ductape are great choices.

    --
    "When the solution is simple, God is answering." -- Albert Einstein
  204. Store your stuff on a remote server by zhenga · · Score: 1

    Why not just store the same stuff you would store on your USB stick on one or more remote servers?

    Most ISP's provide free webspace, or just use GMail for the storage
    Ofcourse its very important to encrypt it as you would on your USB stick as well.

    I just dont see the benefit of storing it on a USB stick and depend on it, because if your USB drive gets corrupt or fails you are totally screwed.

  205. Bugout bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not go with old reliable paper? If you need the bug-out-bag, and then get to a palce where you need the document it is entirely possible they will not have the hardware to extract the data you need.

    I made photocopies of important documents, laminated them, and stuck them in the bag along side of a few packages of 'food' - Spam counts right? :), water purification, and other essentials.

    Its great that people are starting to think this way. If Katrina & Rita have taught us anything its that we can't rely on anyone else but ourselves in the case of an emergency.

  206. why USB flash drive?? by scheuri · · Score: 1

    Well, most of the documents which are scanned in and needs to be safed are documents which are not likely to change every month or not even every year, right?

    So all the medical data, licenses, diplomas, certificates of any kind can be stored on a CD as well...right?

    I still believe that CDs are easier to access on all kind of computers (which computer does NOT have CD-ROM?) and are not that OS-dependent (or driver dependent, whatever). Whereas with flash drives you just might be unlucky enough not to access your data anymore. AND CDs might be just able to survive more than a flash drive (eg. water).

    As for encryption...why not using a opensource program which is available for linux AND windows and put it on the CD or flash drive as well? So, encrypt your data with that programm and the only thin YOU need to remember is the password, which might just be choosen easy enough not to be cracked within minutes. You wont put that CD or stick outside a safe anyway in non-emergency days, right?

    I must admit that I'd choose a CD-ROM with all my data, encrypt the data, put it in a safe (or even banksafe) and exchange it every...lets say...2 years (with more updated date even). No need to worry if the gouverment or my helpful friend next door might just help me getting back my info from a CD.

    just my 2 cents

  207. Take God's Word with you by Peer+Janssen · · Score: 1

    Take God's Word with you.
    Best probably is on paper.

    1. Re:Take God's Word with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer to carry "Smite" for a good all around defensive and offensive ability, what word do you carry?

    2. Re:Take God's Word with you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, you know, you can't buy a bible on just any street corner.

  208. more grown up version... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That sounds like a student's emergency kit. Most people don't keep this stuff in a single backpack, but a few standard places: first aid in the car and kitchen, documents at a bank and in a document box, emergency supplies in the kitchen, rescue equipment in the car, ready-to-go luggage for short-term trips. That ensures that you have what you need even in non-emergency situations without exposing you to unnecessary risk or loss (don't keep private documents in the car, for example). In case of an evacuation, you can still grab the two or three things you need from the house quickly enough.

  209. Serious test of portable media by gr8dude · · Score: 1

    Can anyone suggest a site which offers information about the physical reliability of flash disks?

    I am interested in a review made by someone who is NOT a manufacturer of these things; with these things included:

    - how much damage is caused if I high-heeled lady steps on it with the heel
    - what happens if you drop it from a certain altitude
    - in which way humidity influences it
    - what are the side-effects of excessive temperature
    etc

    A friend of mine went to Egypt. He had a noname USB flash disk with a transparent case. Hell know what happened to it, but he swore it was in the backpack all the time and nobody touched it.. But the flash disk is simply dead, the LED never turns on, and nothing happens when it is plugged in.

    So.. maybe the temperature did it, or maybe the fact that it spent so much time in darkness :-)

    But come on, a product which stops working after a period of 'doing nothing' is not a good product.

    So, does anyone know a place where people can find out how to choose a good usb flash disk, or removable media in general?

  210. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Chriscypher · · Score: 1
    A rule of thumb I've learned is that if your planning for stuff that occurs more then 2 standard deviations away from the mean, then chances are you want something that is (or can at least be considered virtually) full-proof.

    200 is full-proof, without much flavor, but can certainly handle two or more deviations.


    --
    "You have liberated me from thought."
  211. make paper copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a situation where you are packing your own food and shelter, do you really expect to find a computer with which to read your flash drive? Make paper copies of all those documents, and take both digital and hard copies. Sne trick I learned in boy scouts is to water seal matches etc by encasing them in wax. Drip candle wax into a matchbox full of matches, until it is full to brimming. Let cool and dry. I would expect you could do the same with a USB key, provided it had one of those covers on the business end. Or you could use a ziplock, but they aren't 100% like wax is.

  212. Truecrypt by jridley · · Score: 1

    Don't use the crap that comes with the thumbdrives. Install TrueCrypt. I've been using either it or its predecessor, E4M, for years. No problems. You get to choose any of the high grade algorithms you want to use.

    I would seriously consider sending the stuff to myself in GMail as well. I already store some important contacts, shopping lists, etc as drafts in my GMail account. They have distributed servers so it should be fairly safe against catastrophe.

  213. Paper or plastic, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many types of disasters out there. A flash drive sounds like a good idea until it gets wet or you have an Electro-Magnetic Pulse from a nuke. Nope. Laminate your birth certificate and put it in a little tube.

  214. hell yeh! by badspyro · · Score: 1

    OOOoooOOO this is my sort of thread... I would pack my hdd's (emp shealded with a frade (sp?) cage, which would prevent the efects of an emp, and I would be able to remove them in 30sec due to the fact that they just slide out of my case (see, the choice of a cool case is important!) then I would take my ipod as a backup, a spare set of cloathing, my palm, food, mob phone, shelter, all in a little trolly that erects into a tent... (will make that I think) Or, as my plan always was, my house is going to be a giant underground nuke proof bunker anyways, so I will just sit there and play games all day untill the net is back up lol... I also agree with the previous statement, I will put in a resignation when my competitors start throwing around warheads lol...

  215. Already discussed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Similiar articles has been on slashdot earlier.

    You should have a backpack, preferably black as it dont get as easy dirty and allows for stealth, and black looks good on no matter what color of clothes you wear. ;)

    There are USB memory sticks made of rubber. I assume they can be handled pretty rough and are water proof.

    For compressing/archiving there are many formats, .7z provides good compression and also AES-256 encryption.
    For encryption you can also use PGP, TrueCrypt, or many other tools. Maybe it is possible to have a Steganographic (StegFS) partition?

    In your backpack you should also have a flashlight, there are some that dont require battery, you simply charge them by shaking them.

    Matches or a lighter is also good to have.
    And a multi-tool knive with knive, screwdriver, scissor, etc.

    Glow sticks are also good, they dont produce any heat and can be used under water and many difficult situations.

    Also see http://www.ready.gov/index.html

  216. PGP and StrongSpace by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    I store everything in 20 MB encrypted sparse images and back it up to StrongSpace (http://www.strongspace.com/) with sftp. (No ftp or http allowed, just sftp and https).

  217. FreeOTFE by jweage · · Score: 1

    For the filesystem part of the equation, I've just started using FreeOTFE, which is a real-time encrypted filesystem in a file that works on MS Windows and Linux. You get your choice of hash and encryption algorithms.

    So far it has worked perfectly.

  218. Steganography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For secure storage, you could use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography steganography to hide your encrypted data inside of a video clip.

  219. Papers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suppose having papers would be quite handy, but really a simple glass pipe or plastic bong would be more efficient in extending my survival.

  220. If you have my luck, Don't BURN a backup. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have always valued my digital data. A couple years ago i almost lost all of my pictures, documents, ect. So I decided to make a DVD backup of everything. I went the whole nine yards on these 4 dvd's. They had everything. I stored them in cases and sealed the cases up in a water-tight case. About 6 months ago one of my hard-drives crashed and i needed those backups. SO i dug them up and opened the case. The layers of the dvds had seperated (due to poor manufacturing i suppose) and my data was lost.

  221. MOD UP that is great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here Here!

  222. Buy it back by stevev007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why not just buy your personal info back from the phishers that have already stolen it??

  223. SOME CD-Rs DISINTEGRATE IN SALT WATER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a victim of the recent hurricane, I can tell you that brackish water can cause some CD-Rs to delaminate or bleed out the recording dye. Even some of my store-bought music CDs had ink from their labels bleeding into the data side.

  224. Durable flash drive, open source encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Corsair has a rubberized water resistent shock-resistent flash drive available. I have one and found that it is quite durable: http://www.corsair.com/

    As for encryption, check-out this open source project which offers an excellent encryption solution for Flash drives:
    http://www.truecrypt.org/

  225. Yes but by ghukov · · Score: 1, Insightful

    how often would you need to update anyway? My birth certificate hasn't changed in 31+ years... my guess is you would merely be adding info. Unless of course, you use some type of encrypted archive file that had to be unpacked, stuff added, and rewritten.

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    ...because Plutonians are teh suck
  226. Get a drive that fits in your wallet by jen_savage · · Score: 1

    I would get one of the flash drives that fits in my wallet, so I don't need to even go home if I'm in a real hurry.

  227. That's because... by Gruneun · · Score: 1

    It was a baaaa-d joke.

  228. 512mb sandisk cruzer mini survived washer/dryer by gmr2048 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I accidently left my 256MB Sandisk Cruzer Mini in the pocket of my jeans as I washed and dryed them (automatic washer and dryer). I found it in the bottom of the dryer, still *really* warm to the touch. When I plugged the Cruzer into my computer, it acted as if the whole incident had never happened. I've used it every day since then and never had an issue. It gets my vote for 'sturdy drive'.

    -gary

  229. Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forget all that official Bureaucracy stuff.

    If things are so bad that THEY cannot tell you what it is, you dont need it!

    What you really need would be usefull reference texts, Grays Anatomy, How things work, 101 uses for a dead cat, 1001 chemical reactions from household waste. All hardcopy; and when I say hardcopy I don't mean paper, or even clay tablets I mean really hard copies like granite slabs, preferable formed into a shelter deep underground.

    1. Re:Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks by JabberWokky · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Your comments remind me of the long term data storage efforts to prevent another loss like Alexandria. When I was single, I would have sacrificed myself to try and help save knowledge. With a wife (and eventually children), I am not willing to give up any edge. It may seem counterintuitive, but I believe that type of emotional response is a survival trait that benefits survival of human knowledge, since it requires a human around to know it. (Long term records to be discovered by non-human life is a different story).

      Besides, if I save my wife, the world gets a quantum chemist with teaching experience. Plus it's in a pretty package. Fall of year twelve we open the first university back up. ;)

      --
      Evan

      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks by gatzke · · Score: 2, Informative


      Reminds me of a post nucular survivalist scifi book by Heinlein, I think it was Farnham's Freehold. One idea from that book was that the most valued item after the war was a useful text book.

    3. Re:Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1
      by Heinlein, I think it was Farnham's Freehold

      That is the worst Heinlen book I have read. It reads like the wet dream of some chauvinistic, racist, survivalist nutcase from the 50s. It was like the sci-fi/alternate reality aspects were just tacked onto it to fit his market.

    4. Re:Cool Desert Island discs for survivalist geeks by gatzke · · Score: 1


      Yep, he wrote a lot of garbage. Sometimes style was not so great, but it had a couple of neat sci-fi concepts.

      What if a nuke landed right on your house? Could it send you into a different time? (This was written decades ago, so it may have been plausible then).

      What if you did have to survive? I think there was some sort of incest deal in that book, but it has been years.

      And they suggested some alternate reality / timeline ideas as well. Maybe not the best of his, but also not the absolute worst.

  230. Sounds like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it's for attracting animals to kill.

  231. Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    What is the honey for ? You can't leave us ignorant city folk wondering any longer. It's just not fair!

    1. Re:Ok by kfg · · Score: 1

      The very first response to my post posed the same question. I answered it there.

      KF

  232. too much paper and crap in our lives by ChristTrekker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Government requires too darn much record-keeping these days. If the pioneers were required to retain as much paper as we do for taxes and the like, the US would still be stuck on the east side of the Mississippi River. Can't we just cut through the regulation burden and get rid of all that crap in our lives? If I want to escape from a natural or man-made disaster with the things that are necessary/important to me, I sure as heck hope I'd be grabbing kids, pets, food/clothes/gun (depending if it's an apocalypse), and a few treasured keepsakes rather than tax returns, licenses, and paperwork. Anyone else yearning for a more libertarian society or is it just me?

    That said, the article did have make some good points. A "bug out" bag is a wise idea (as is a bomb shelter - y'all have one of them too, right?). Thank goodness for technology, so that all the important "crap" can be reduced to a USB stick. I deal with information so much better if I don't have to mess with the physicality of the (paper) records. (Yes, my natural filing system is heaps and stacks. Thank God for my wife or I wouldn't be able to find my desk.) I think the advice about medical records was the most useful. Now that's something I'd want if I had to pick up and move fast.

    1. Re:too much paper and crap in our lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Government requires too darn much record-keeping these days. If the pioneers were required to retain as much paper as we do for taxes and the like, the US would still be stuck on the east side of the Mississippi River. Can't we just cut through the regulation burden and get rid of all that crap in our lives?

      No.

      Every time you feed yourself without filling out the proper food requisition forms in triplicate, God starves a bureaucrat. Please. Think of the bureaucrats!

  233. Total fatalistic bullshiit by Pope · · Score: 1
    My wife and I figure that if we plan for the worst, it'll never happen...

    What the hell kind of fatalistic bullshit is this? You plan in case of emergencies, not to have it act as some sort of talisman to ward it off! My goodness, some people just can't deal with things that are beyond their direct control, can they?

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    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  234. Evolution In Action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be sure to turn that iPod up real loud while looting. We wouldn't want to overburden our judicial system in a time of crisis with looters who heard the warning shot.

  235. Carry on will bring you at odds with TSA... by darkharlequin · · Score: 1

    ...how helpful that knife, spoon, and even maybe the chopsticks will be when they confiscate them.

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    i am so very tired....
    1. Re:Carry on will bring you at odds with TSA... by Gribflex · · Score: 1

      You'll be allowed to keep the spoon. Chopsticks are gone though.
      Funny enough, I'm allowed to keep pens, pencils, (even pencil sharpeners), but not chopsticks.

  236. That's not the worst of it, either ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Yr car won't start, either, thanks to the ignition system (and prob all the ICs and other solid-state tomfoolery under the hood these days, just now thought of that).

    It'd be just like New Orleans, a bunch of stranded people, only minus the water and w/ tons of radioactivity. Wheeeeee!!!

    Yeah, pretty much just Sharpie the SSN on the forearm and wait for the inevitable.

    1. Re:That's not the worst of it, either ... by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1


      Yeah, pretty much just Sharpie the SSN on the forearm and wait for the inevitable.


      Finally, a sane response.

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      MORTAR COMBAT!
  237. Website in China by angusmci · · Score: 1

    Periodically, I think about how I can protect my 'vital' data (code and digital photographs, mostly) against loss. Options include local backups (a few feet away), backups at my girlfriend's house (a few blocks away), backups at my job (several miles away), backups at a relative's house (hundreds of miles away), or backups at my parents' house (thousands of miles away). This thought experiment has led me to the conclusion that there are some disasters that are not worth preparing against. If anything simultaneously takes out my data and the backup copies in my office a few miles distant, losing my holiday snaps and my bank statements may not be my biggest problem.

    Getting back to the original poster's question, the danger is that any device you carry on you such as a Flash drive is liable to get lost, stolen or broken. As for Flash drives that support encryption, how many of those also require special driver software on the target computer to give access to the encrypted data? It would be embarassing to stumble out of the disaster zone still clutching your 'life drive' and discover that you really should have thought to bring the installer CD currently lying somewhere under eight feet of water/radioactive fallout/zombies/radioactive zombies. But maybe you could copy the installer onto the unencrypted part of the drive.

    A possible alternative (or additional measure) is to put your data on a foreign website (or, for defence in depth, several, all in different countries). Naturally, you'll want to encrypt it securely and upload/download only over secure links. But if the Internet stays up, then you have a chance of being able to access your data even after the asteroid hits your home city and you've been stripped of everything you're carrying by the feral teenage swamp mutants.

    Again, if you use encryption you're hostage to the availability of the decryption software, so you may start thinking about building your own webapp that can decrypt your data on the fly and serve it to you over HTTPS. But that would preclude using any of the free hosting accounts available, so your quest for perfect security and redundancy could lead you to fork out for expensive virtual hosting. Maybe what we need instead is some kind of 'mixmaster' application that would accept a key and some data, and stripe the data across a few thousand locations (call it a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Domains), encrypted and inter-mingled with other people's data in such a way that nothing intelligible would be recoverable without the key. Redundancy would be built in from the ground up such that even if half the planet goes offline, your data could still be retrieved from the surviving hosts.

    Even if something like this doesn't already exist, it shouldn't be hard to build: all the technologies already exist in one form or another (PGP, BitTorrent, mixmasters, PAR/RAR etc etc). All it needs is a team of dedicated geeks, plus a healthy dose of paranoia, and you and your data can step smiling and unscathed into the bright nuclear dawn of the New Age (watch out for the zombies, though).

  238. If I had to swim for it... by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    put flash drive in a cigar tube, put latex baloon over tube, rubberband balloon to tube below seam.

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    I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
  239. A tip for international travelers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was last on a trip outside the US, I took digital photos of all my family's passports and kept them in the camera. I figured if we lost the passports, the images in the camera would help. It came in handy when I needed info off the passports on the plane. I was able to read it on the camera's display without getting the passport out of the overhead compartment.

  240. You forgot the most important things! by woodsrunner · · Score: 1

    You've got to bring a towel -- amateurs never have their towel.

    Also a fry pan and an axe. You need something to cook in and you can fix anything with an axe. Also, I'd bring my sleeping bag and tent -- they are small and I have lived out of them for years at a time.

    And you might want to have some fishing gear and some wire to snare rabbits. Then you'd be able to survive indefinitely.

    But definitely bring a towel.

    1. Re:You forgot the most important things! by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Had to have a reference to Hitchhikers Guide on SlashDot, didn't we?

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  241. Re: TrueCrypt... by Dimble+ThriceFoon · · Score: 1

    TC is excellent, i use it at home. about being windows only: the next version will be linux and 64bit compaitable too. hoorah! :) it is easy enough to make a container file the right size for your USB drive, and leave the TC installer in the enuncrypted portion of the drive for use on PC's without TC installed and without internet access to remedy this deficiency. take it easy Dimble

  242. Why take it with you by gdesignrr · · Score: 1

    I understand the desire to want a copy of your personal records, but why keep it with you? Let's say you are out to dinner one night, and your house, with your survival gear and USB backup, all burn up. You'll want those records for the insurance process.

    Every year I photograph any major purchases, scan the receipts, scan any other new important documents, and burn them all to 2 CDs. One I keep in my fire safe, the other goes in my parent's fire safe, in another state, out away from a big city. If something ever happens here, I can worry about my life, and not my records, as I know they'll have a copy.

    1. Re:Why take it with you by wraith0x29a · · Score: 1

      Yup, good point, upload the (encrypted) contents of the USB drive somewhere secure.

      Obviously if civilisation collapses you're stuffed anyway but at least it's there if you accidentally tread on your USB drive.

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      ~ Better a freak than a sheep. ~
  243. You need more for survival than a USB drive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The information that they recommended you store is important, but not the most important. You also need to:

    1) Create an emergency checklist (do it today). A good example of what to include can be found here; http://www.geocities.com/survival_planning/emergen cy_checklist.html

    2) Put together a couple of emergency survival kits. Again, some of the items to include can be found here; http://www.geocities.com/survival_planning/surviva l_kit.html

    3) Read and learn as much as you can about survival. Knowledge is key and you can buy books like the SAS survival guides or one of many Survival CDs like the one found here; http://www.militaryebooks.com/survival.php

    Good luck and Semper Fi!

  244. Full-disk encryption by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

    There are interesting security issues with full-disk encryption, but it depends on your attack model. If your attack model is simply that the encrypted disk falls into the hands of the bad guys who try to get the data from it, the problem is easy. If the model is that they have access to the disk inbetween times that you're using it, that's when things get interesting.

    Since in this instance the plausible attacks by-and-large fall into the former category, I don't see a difficulty here, am I wrong?

    I'm not aware of any interesting current work on full-disk encryption apart from Rogaway et al's interesting large-tweaked-blockcipher mode CMC - if you know any please enlighten me, thanks!

    1. Re:Full-disk encryption by kasperd · · Score: 1
      but it depends on your attack model.
      Very much indeed.

      If your attack model is simply that the encrypted disk falls into the hands of the bad guys who try to get the data from it, the problem is easy.
      It is easier, but not as easy as you might guess. Assuming the disk is stolen, and assuming that cannot happen without the owner noticing, then I think we can ignore the data integrity questions. That still leaves us with some worries though.

      First of all you have to worry about birthday attacks. Which is why 64 bit cipher blocks should be avoided. AFAIR a 500GB disk encrypted with a single key and a 64 bit cipher block would result in approximately 100 collisions assuming there were no weaknesses in the cipher.

      What you also have to worry about is change of passwords. Most disk encryptions doesn't really do that safely. Assume the media was preencrypted using some default password, and the first thing you do is to change the password. This is not safe since if you can recover the old encrypted key the new data can be recovered using the old password. The old password is not secret, and can imagine three ways to recover the old encrypted key. First of all it might be that it is the same on all medias sold by this manufacturer, so the attacker could just buy another media of the same model. The second way would be if the manufacturer used different keys for each media, but kept a copy. The third way would be if the old key could actually be recovered from the actual media. Maybe it wasn't securely erased.

      If you always reencrypt the entire media when changing password, you don't have to worry about the attacks I just described. But many products will let you change password without reencryption. I have not yet seen any implementation of safe and efficient password change.

      But there are more possible attacks, assuming an adversary that does just steal your disk is a bit too simplistic. The adversary may be in a position to perform a chosen plaintext attack. Do you put emails on your encrypted media? Do you think an adversary would never be able to send something that you would eventually put on your encrypted media? If the adversary can perform chosen plaintext attacks, then some products are vulnurable to watermarking attacks.

      Some of these attacks only leaks minor amounts of data. But how much data do you want to leak? Do you want to use an encryption, where you know some small amounts of data will easilly be leaked to the adversary?

      If the model is that they have access to the disk inbetween times that you're using it, that's when things get interesting.
      Yes, that is interesting. I have a chapter about it in my dissertation :-)

      I'm not aware of any interesting current work on full-disk encryption apart from Rogaway et al's interesting large-tweaked-blockcipher mode CMC - if you know any please enlighten me, thanks!
      I only reacently heard about tweaked cihpers. I have not yet had time to read about it, but I will find some time soon. I have a few references which may be of interest, I have not yet read all of them. I think one of them is the one you mentioned as well. And notice that I'm one of the authors on the last paper:

      • K.Gjøsteen: Security Notions for Disk Encryption, the Eprint archive, no. 2005-88, www.iacr.org
      • P.H.Kamp: GBDE-GEOM Based Disk Encryption. Proc. of BSDCon 2003: 57-68, www.usenix.org.
      • S.Halevi and P.Rogaway: A Tweakable Enciphering Mode. Proc. of Crypto 2003: 482-499
      • Markku-Juhani O. Saarinen, "Encrypted Watermarks and Linux Laptop Security". In C. H. Lim and M. Yung (Eds.) Information Security Applications, 5th International Workshop, WISA2004, Jeju Island, Republic of Korea, August 23-25, 2004. Lecture Notes in Computer Science 3325, Springer Verlag 2004. pp. 30-41.
      • Ivan Damgård and Kasper Dupont: Universally Composable Disk Encryption Schemes, the Eprint archive, no. 2005-333, www.iacr.org.
      --

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    2. Re:Full-disk encryption by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I think the Halevi and Rogaway paper was the one I was referring to - the other stuff is new to me.

      Where the problem is using sector encryption to protect data on a stolen drive, I'm assuming the simple solution is a secure seekable stream cipher. SEAL provides one, but it's patented. A block cipher in CTR mode does a good job, except as you say that if you use a 64-bit block cipher then after about 2^35 bytes you can distinguish it from a random stream by the absence of collisions. But a 128-bit cipher should be good for about 2^68 blocks, which is plenty. Salsa20 might turn out to be a tempting choice - it doesn't have the problems you refer to. This option isn't affected by chosen-plaintext attacks.

      I'm assuming that the disk is encrypted with a randomly-generated key, and that this key in turn is encrypted with the passphrase. This was the strategy used by SFS.

      My paper on my (broken) large-block cipher Mercy includes a discussion of some of these issues.

      I'll follow the other references you give - thanks again!

    3. Re:Full-disk encryption by kasperd · · Score: 1

      A block cipher in CTR mode does a good job

      It may do a good job as long as the adversary does not get access to more than one copy of the ciphertext. But if the adversary is able to get copies of the same sector from two different points in time, CTR provides no security. In this respect I think CTR is worse than CBC with fixed key and deterministic IV.

      --

      Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
    4. Re:Full-disk encryption by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Right, but that was the simplifying assumption I started with - that you lose the drive, the bad guys get it, and that's it. This would mean that by policy, if your laptop turns up in the lost and found, the first thing you do when you get it back is wipe the disk and restore from backup. If they can access the disk inbetween your accesses, things get much harder, and the measures in the papers you link become important. However, I still can't see a reason to use CBC - I'd rather use CTR with a real nonce and MAC.

      Read Damgård-Dupont, interesting stuff, thanks for the pointer!

    5. Re:Full-disk encryption by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 1

      Thanks again - I didn't know that the Saarinen paper cites me, cool! (As do Halevi and Rogaway, but I knew that)

    6. Re:Full-disk encryption by kasperd · · Score: 1

      Right, but that was the simplifying assumption I started with - that you lose the drive, the bad guys get it, and that's it.
      This depends on what the bad guys are able to do with the encrypted drive. Are they able to read data that has been overwritten once? Probably they aren't, but if they manage to do so just once, there will be an information leak. Are they able to replace the firmware and read remapped sectors (if any) on the disk? This is more likely and will also cause an information leak.

      Do you create backups of your encrypted disk? Are the backups encrypted?

      if your laptop turns up in the lost and found, the first thing you do when you get it back is wipe the disk and restore from backup.
      Do you restore from an encrypted backup? If you backup by simply copying the encrypted version and restore by copying it back, then you are in trouble if you lose a disk twice. So you would be required to reencrypt when backing up data, and reencrypt when restoring.

      If your encrypted container is not a physical disk partition, but rather a file in a file system, then you also have to worry about the host file system remapping data.

      However, I still can't see a reason to use CBC - I'd rather use CTR with a real nonce and MAC.
      If you start each sector being written with a new initial counter value then CTR may be safe. The problem with CTR is that reusing the counter is worse than reusing an IV in a CBC mode encryption. But using CTR the right way may actually be secure.

      --

      Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
  245. retarded by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

    if "the worst" happens what in the hell makes you think you'll have nice USB-capable computers with which to read the stupid pen drive? is this some kind of joke? sure, have it on USB if you want, however I would go with inscribed metal for important data -- like, oh, I don't know... dog tags.

    that's it. keep your USB pen drives. I'll keep my dog tags. lot of good either will really do us if "the worst" happens to NYC.

    and the "swim for it" addendum? come on.

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    1. Re:retarded by wraith0x29a · · Score: 1

      This does not need to be preperation for an 'end-of-the-world' scenario.

      A simple house fire could require the occupants to evacuate and could leave the entire contents of their house destroyed.

      In which case the next-door neighbour's PC will still be running.

      Your house and contents are more likely to be destroyed by a sleepy smoker or a careless cook than by a nuclear disaster.

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      ~ Better a freak than a sheep. ~
  246. Harems by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
    eh....i want a harem *now*
    Face it, buddy. If you can't handle one girl now, how do you expect to handle a bevy of them?

    Although it reminds me of the old joke about the businessman, the artist, and the programmer discussing the benefits of wives and mistresses.
    The businessman says, "It's better to have a wife. It's a more stable arrangement and more sensible legally speaking."
    The artist says, "Ah, but a mistress is so much more exciting and passionate."
    The programmer says, "I say a man should have a wife and a mistress. The wife will think you're with the mistress. The mistress will think you're with the wife. And you can actually get some work done!"

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  247. Not just swim for it... by buss_error · · Score: 2, Insightful
    and how would you protect the drive itself in case you did have to "swim for it"?

    Nuclear blast areas: (20 megatons at 17,500 ft airburst)

    8.5 miles - vaporized.
    35 miles - 15% dead, 50% injured. Cite
    ??? miles - EMP so strong that internal components of chips melt. Cite

    Hmm. Paper seems safer, easier to deal with without computers. And if I live, so does the data. Anyway, it's not likely someone would get a 20 megaton bomb. More likely 10 Kt to 1 Mt. Revise that for "Best be more than 50 miles away." Make that 150 miles for a 20 megaton.

    Can I go live on a planet where we don't have this madness?

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    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  248. A plan for you by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

    Take the drive, compress your files in an archive to keep them smaller, then encrypt the file with a program. Include on that drive the program that you used to encrypt the file, and the compression program used to compress the file. Make sure the drive is formatted with a cross platform FS as well. For added reliability include other platform versions of the encryption and compression programs.

    Waterproofing the flash drive is pretty easy, put it a small sealed container the smaller the better. If you're really paranoid about losing it in water, put the flash drive in a very small container filled with mineral oil or some other inert liquid, seal the container. If your drive goes to any depth, the use of a liquid will prevent water from getting in the container and destroying the drive.

  249. Who says I want to retain my identity after this? by msdschris · · Score: 1

    I just might decice to be someone else.

  250. It worked for the in-laws by wiggling · · Score: 1

    The in-laws gave a CD of all their vital information to my sister-in-law before leaving on a two-week trip to Europe. Wouldn't you know it, a little storm named Katrina blew in while they were away. The sister-in-law remembered to grab the CD as her family fled inland. Now, if they had only remembered to put their MSN password on the CD so that they could get to their email.

  251. Forget the USB drive. Bring a Towel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A towel is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitch hiker can have. Partly it has great practical value - you can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santraginus V, inhaling the heady sea vapours; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or to avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (a mindboggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you - daft as a bush, but very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.

    More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value. For some reason, if a strag (strag: non-hitch hiker) discovers that a hitch hiker has his towel with him, he will automatically assume that he is also in possession of a toothbrush, face flannel, soap, tin of biscuits, flask, compass, map, ball of string, gnat spray, wet weather gear, space suit etc., etc. Furthermore, the strag will then happily lend the hitch hiker any of these or a dozen other items that the hitch hiker might accidentally have "lost". What the strag will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with.

  252. no by shokk · · Score: 1

    When the fragile lattice of society's infrastructure collapses, the last thing you are going to want to rely on is being able to find a working PC with USB adapter. At that point it's back to basics because the next disaster is going to be bigger and meaner than anything we've seen. You can rely on paper. Just...laminate it.

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    "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
  253. In the freezer by gatzke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have heard that you can put some documents in the freezer, as it will be mostly waterproof when the FD floods your house and stands a decent chance at being fireproof as well.

    We bought a little fireproof waterproof safe for like $50.

    I think the topic of this post was mostly for big chemical, bio, or nucular attack on NYC or DC. What would you take? How prepared would you be to never come back to your house?

    BTW, Foxfire books are awesome if you don't have the series already. Great stuff with good detail on everything from building a log cabin to making moonshine to making a violin.

    1. Re:In the freezer by JabberWokky · · Score: 1
      Yeah - we're drifting a bit from the original topic. That's why I mentioned how easy a single freezer bag is to grab and toss in your kit when you leave, which brought it a bit back more on-topic. That's also why I mentioned that my plans are based on a regional disaster, not total societal collapse. I've been through enough hurricanes and floods to understand that a little effort can make a big difference. Heck, when you get into the habit of planning, it's just plain convenient: having a fresh set of clothes in the car when you get stranded, or even just a pair of dry socks after you walk through water.

      I keep my records in my file cabinet because I can refer to them there when doing paperwork. A better solution would be to photocopy everything and just keep the copies there, but I'm not that organized (as I look at my Printer/Scanner/Copier and think "Hmmm"). I like the idea of a fireproof safe, but I'm still moving around the country and left a fireproof file cabinet behind two moves ago. Freaking heavy thing.

      I haven't read the Foxfire stuff -- I have a subscription to Backwoods Magazine and liked Mother Earth News years ago, back before it got way too "hippie Martha Stuart". I'll check it out. Thanks for the note.

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      Evan

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:In the freezer by gatzke · · Score: 1


      The filebox I mentioned acctually takes hanging files, maybe 10-12" deep of them with about 2" walls around. Enough for some organization of important docs and room for some negatives or CD backups, but it is a little bulky to have sitting around.

      I used to keep my camping stuff in my trunk in case I wanted to head out of town for a quick weekend, but no longer. We barely have enough milk and bread to last the week. I hear the mormons have some deal where they are always prepped for disaster / second coming so they buy a couple of giant 50 lb rice and flour bags and slowly eat through it during the year to make sure it stays fresh. Interesting idea if I ate flour and rice ever. I should just go get a couple of MRE cases, they last years.

    3. Re:In the freezer by notsoanonymouscoward · · Score: 1

      The Mormon recommended "minimum" afaik it is 2 months food supply (wife is LDS). Its amazingly cheap to prepare, even if you don't eat it and just donate it every year or so to get fresh stuff.

      If you haven't prep'd before, google for "bug out bag" for a sampling of what other people suggest.

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      I ate my sig.
  254. Tool by chihowa · · Score: 1
    I disagree about the knife. A quality multitool is a far better choice. Having a screwdriver, pliers, saw, awl, tweezers, can opener, etc., as well as a high quality knife blade for only a few ounces more is a win. The key here is "quality." Never skimp on survivial gear.

    I'll definitely second that. While a quality leatherman type tool is extremely valuable, even a quality swiss army knife pays off quickly. I have a nice quality swiss army knife with a large, strong, locking blade that I've used nearly daily for over ten years. It is showing no signs of throwing in the towel, and comes in handy constantly (I have a philips screwdriver, not a corkscrew). It never leaves my side.

    The gun is a good idea. If you plan to become proficient, a .22 is a great survival gun because it is small, lightweight, the ammo is small and lightweight, and it is cheap (the gun itself, the ammo and the cost of practicing).

    I have to strongly recommend against eating mushrooms you've identified using a field guide. Although there a a few simple rules to help you avoid mushrooms that are certainly poisonous, being certain that they are not poisonous is much more difficult. I've been out mushroom hunting with mycologists before, and even they are a bit wary of eating things that they are not 100% sure of. For what my word is worth, I'd recommend sticking to plants and animals. They are much easier to positively identify.

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    1. Re:Tool by Kope · · Score: 1

      The difficulty in identifying edible mushrooms depends on your geographical region. Here in the upper midwest, for example, there are several very easily identified edible mushrooms that have no poisonous look alikes. The same is definitely not true everywhere.

      In a survival situation, however, mushrooms are a very abundant food source. I agree if you're not 100% sure, stay away. But there are places where even novices can collect some species of mushrooms in safety.

    2. Re:Tool by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I like that swiss army knife that was linked to. Personally, I'd like that Flash Drive + Knife if it also had the clock and the led light.

      A swiss army knife is handy -- but KFG is right about that sturdy blade with a fixed handle. That swiss knife will get gunked up very quickly and won't be usable for eating or cleaning a dead animal -- not sterile. If you have to carve for any length of time on a piece of wood that spring handled gizmo will seem like a toy.

      So get both. You can always use it. But for real survival -- I'd rather have a very sturdy blade than a "do it all" toy. The tweezers are a must though. But with a good blade, you can muddle through the can opening or build tools for the rest.

      If I were to travel, I'd go for a nice hatchet over an ax. That ax is too heavy -- and I probably will save my energy by using smaller wood to make my fire. Carry just an ax head and cut the handle with the hatchet if you want long-term, end of the world survival.

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  255. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by pomakis · · Score: 1
    If data integrity is that important, one should consider getting a silver or gold archive disc.

    Easier said than done! Where does one find gold discs nowadays? The only two companies I know of that has produced them in the past, Kodak and Mitsui, have long since stopped producing them. The overwhelming majority of consumers cares way more about price than data integrity and longevity, so the market trend has been to produce cheaper and cheaper discs at the expense of data integrity. The few of us that care about data integrity and longevity are pretty much SOL.

  256. Why Bother by madshot · · Score: 1

    If NYC has such a large problem that everything falls down then the rest of the US is probably financially screwed anyway. So, why bother keeping your identity? You'll probaby just have bad credit anyway.. after all, everything that you had is gone including your job so you can't pay your bills.. Sounds like at that point in time you're better off moving to Kansas and starting a new life... heck, maybe find out how all those illegal aliens get ssn#'s and really start a new life..

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  257. Credit card numbers? by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    The list of things you are concerned about puzzles me.

    What exactly are you going to do with credit card numbers after a disaster? Do you plan on charging food with a number? Who exactly is going to give you goods with just a #? If you have time to get a backpack, then you should have time to get your wallet.

    I'm not sure what the value of a marrige license is either after such a disaster. Do you think you will have to prove to someone that you are married?

    What value will a scan of your social security card be? Birth certificate?

    Like others have said, if you are leaving "never to return to NYC" with 2 minutes warning, documents would be the last concern you should have. Compact calorie/nutrient rich food, water, appropaite clothing, and other survival supplies should be what you take.

    I saw someone talking about an English/Spanish program on that USB drive. How exactly are you going to use in it your travels? A small portable book would be more useful.

  258. just spring for XDrive or some online backup by Brendonian · · Score: 1

    This whole discussion seems kind of silly to me.

    Anyone who has implemented backup strategies knows that if its not automated it will be out of date. Sure you could take some static data, but you could print that out on paper (encrypted if need be).

    One EMP is going to take out a million nerds' data sticks in a flash while grandma with her ancient address book will be intact.

  259. Like in Code 46 (movie) by edson+at+lies.cl · · Score: 0

    memories where backed up like an family album photo
    of the angle that you saw the events,

    nice, but creepy...

    that would be a pretty profitable bussiness for porn industry.

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    i have found, you can find,happiness in slavery!
  260. Middle States by PMuse · · Score: 1

    the New York Times has an article about what to take when you have to leave home in a big hurry

    Step One: Move away from the coast now.

    For those U.S. residents now fretting over the recent hurricanes, consider this. All those states in the middle don't get hurricanes. They don't get big earthquakes. They don't get big floods (except, gasp, along the big rivers). They get the occassional tornado (which are highly localized) and the occassional blizard (which you can wait out).

    If you must live in a big city, move to Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, Indianapolis, Columbus, Denver, Charlotte, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Birmingham, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Nashville, Vegas, etc.

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    "We reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals." --The American President (20.1.2009)
  261. Concentrated population centers - You're Screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When any kind of big disaster (i.e. citywide) hits a major concentrated metropolitan area, all people there are basically screwed, so I wouldn't worry so much about protecting your digital info/software assets. You're gonna have much bigger problems with obtaining and retaining survival basics such as food, water, medicines, shelter, etc.

    Here's a favorite quote of mine that I made up: In the "big city" you can get anything you want... except out."

  262. Rather than fill out that NYT form... by ngr8 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be faster to just fill out a phishing request?

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    Verizon: Latin for "poor rural service".
  263. DataGlyph by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Put the data in several secure areas and on the USB encrypted.

    Print out your keys using the Xerox http://www.parc.com/solutions/dataglyphs/

    Its proprietary but damn simple to print.

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    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  264. (OT) kio_slaves by hummassa · · Score: 1

    gg: search google
    ggl: search google and hit "i'm feeling lucky"
    fm: search freshmeat
    imdb: search imdb

    he, he, he

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    It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
    1. Re:(OT) kio_slaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those aren't kioslaves, they are web shortcuts.

      wp: search wikipedia (my favorite).

  265. Brasil by hummassa · · Score: 1

    web mail services in Brasil (some Portuguese reading may be required):

    BOL

    Yahoo!

    IG

    Oi

    in France (some French required):

    NetCourrier

    HTH.

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    It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
    1. Re:Brasil by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I found that uk.yahoo.com and au.yahoo.com "look" like they are located in the UK and Australia. So if you only speak English these may be options as well.

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  266. Flash not a good choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. VERY vulnerable to an electromagnetic pulse
    2. VERY vulnerable to static
    3. VERY vulnerable to corrosion

    Acid free paper would survive much better.

  267. Looks like what these guys are talking about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://zombiesquad.theedge.net/phpbb2/

    except with zombies in mind.

  268. Go big or go home! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Carve your message in fifty mile high letters across the surface of the moon!

    You're now perfectly safe from fire *and* water damage (because there's no water or oxygen on the moon), plus the data can be recovered with a simple telescope!

    Now, that's what I call offsite storage, baby! :-)

    P.S. Only do this if you can afford it. If you have to ask, you can't afford it. :-)

  269. Kanguru makes FIPS-140 compliant USB drives by TakeArms · · Score: 1

    A company named Kanguru makes FIPS-140 compliant USB drives... they work great and can be AES-256 bit encrypted, as well. Their website is kanguru.com

  270. most important 16bit string ever by mjolnir_ · · Score: 1

    the hex to my dog's ID chip.

    my wife would say the same thing.

    -mj

  271. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Cecil · · Score: 1

    You just need to look in the right place. Check a digital photography (or nowadays, simply photography) store, they always have long-term archival CDs, usually a wide variety of them.

  272. Your retarded. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and your upbraiding him? You fucking moron. You motherfucking moron.

    People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

  273. USB drive reliability by fromunderthedesk · · Score: 1

    My wife washed the 512M Lexar jump drive I gave her with the rest of our laundry. It didn't make it into the dryer. I left it on the desk for about 10 days to dry out and it worked fine. That's not a scientific endorsement of the item, but an anecdotal observation.

    1. Re:USB drive reliability by TheHawke · · Score: 1

      Regular water is fine.. Just don't get it near salt water! One dip and fzzt! Thats all she wrote.

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      First rule of holes; When in one, stop digging.
    2. Re:USB drive reliability by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      Huh. I got a 256M Lexar "Secure" jumpdrive (same one that got written up on Slashdot not too long ago). I wear it around a beltloop when I'm skateboarding, and I've crashed and burned on it a hell of a lot of times. Thing still works great.

      Funny, the most damage I've caused to it is when I got really, really drunk in a buddy's backyard and fell on it. The casing is cracked open, the connector's all crooked, but the damned thing still works.

      Not an endorsement here, either, but I was pretty impressed.

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      Assume I was drunk when I posted this.
  274. Think theft / fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In any armeggadon situation, a USB drive will be no use at all. However, it's worth thinking about what you do when faced with more mundane risks - house burns down, bag stolen etc.

    A colleague had his bag stolen whilst travelling abroad, and had to jump through quite a number of hoops to get all his documents replaced (Credit cards are pretty easy. Passport was OK, US visa was a complete pain in the arse.) Since then, I have taken to carrying a USB drive with copies of all my various bits of documentation when I travel, so it's easier to get replacements if stuff gets nicked.

    The only other thing you really need to guard against the house burns down scenario is an offsite backup of all your photos and other irreplacable things.

  275. tender bits by pdxguy · · Score: 1

    Gives new meaning to the phrase "tender bits". Tattoo where? Hmmmm.

  276. Bootable USB by PetyrRahl · · Score: 1
    You might want to do something slightly different. Get a 1 or 2 GB version of the SanDisk Titanium stick, and then get knoppix (or something like it, hell you can even get Gentoo on a stick) onto it.
    Pros:
    • You have a great deal more control over your encryption
    • it will work damn near everywhere.
    • You won't need admin rights to the computer your working on because you won't be installing software
    • No data would be saved to the HD of the computer you're working on, so you won't have to worry about information leakage from that vector
    You can even have a knoppix CD in case the computer you're at just can't boot from USB.
    Cons:
    • The linux stuff on the disk is going to limit (somewhat) your available space on the stick
    • You don't want to over-use that thing, because they do have a limited number of write cycles they can go through before they start to crap out (i.e. do NOT use a journaled FS!!!)
    • While you'll at least have all your ID information, what's to say you're not just a very sophisticated con artist? Just because you have a scan of your ID cards, doesn't mean that you didn't have access to GIMP or Photoshop beforehand ^_~
    Someone else suggested storing it on gmail, I'd say that's a good idea to do in conjunction with this. Having that USB stick handy can be good because if all hell breaks loose, chances are you're not going to have good internet access in that area. If you have that USB stick and somehow have access to a computer and power, then you've got some options.
    Honestly, something else to consider putting on that stick (if you have the space), pictures. Get your ID info on there, but for God's sake don't forge to get some pictures on there. Having lost a picture album in a move, I have a slightly better idea of how important those really are now.

    Regards,
    Petyr Rahl
  277. Condensing Your Life on to a USB Flash Drive? by Jaxman · · Score: 1

    I like this one better- Dr. Strangelove's Survival kit contents: one forty-five caliber automatic; two boxes of ammunition; four days' concentrated emergency rations; one drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine, vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills; one miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible; one hundred dollars in rubles; one hundred dollars in gold; nine packs of chewing gum; one issue of prophylactics; three lipsticks; three pair of nylon stockings.

  278. (OT) web shortcuts by hummassa · · Score: 1

    (AC) Those aren't kioslaves, they are web shortcuts.
    I stand corrected.

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    It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
  279. Worries and a proposed solution by MattGWU · · Score: 1

    This is always my big worry with encrypted storage. I keep a few encfs encrypted volumes around with important stuff, and I'm always worried when I update a kernel, or update the software (Granted, maybe I shouldn't do that), and will I ever get my data back out. What happens, then, if I have to move the volumes to another machine and try to access them? Will they work with THEIR kernel and encfs? What about a standalone implementation of the algorithm? Will that work one implementation to the next? In theory they should for standard algorithms, but who really knows?

    How about combining elements of your List of Potential Problems? A USB drive bootable to a small linux distro with a variety of data storage/viewing/creating/manipulating/transmitting /printing/converting/encrypting/decrypting software? Could have a seperate partition that can be mounted as a drive on any (Read: A windows system. Sometimes in an emergency you have to use what you have) with copies of the data protected redundantly in multiple ways? An encfs volume, a loopback encrypted volume, straight AES/3DES/Foo, rar with parity. The weakest one lowers the overall security of your data, but maybe one of them will work to get your stuff back on an arbitrary system with unknown configuration. You'll still need your keys and passphrases, a computer, USB port, and the device needs to be functional, but it might improve the odds a bit.

    It's like keeping all your eggs in one basket, but the basket is divided into a number of little baskets.

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  280. Fundamental flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In many jurisdictions, only the original or a certified copy of the original document is legally admissible. A scanned image of a birth certificate is not going to cut it, you need the real thing (for the same reason that a photocopy wouldn't cut it).

    PP

  281. Good idea! by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    like a unit of Plan B (an actual American product sold for post-coital contraception.) If you are a male, this seems absurd. But if you meet women in an emergency situation who do need this (inquire very discretely), they will be your friends and allies to their dying day.

    Y'know, that's a really damn good idea. I'll make a note of that.

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
  282. Pennywhistle??? by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

    I give up. What's the point of the pennywhistle? TIA.

  283. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a joke, that's one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever heard.

  284. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  285. Best Insulator by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

    Actually, I've heard that the ultimate fiber is Dog Hair.

    There is a lady (has a website somewhere) who will make you a sweater from your own dog if you send her the hair.

    It seems that dog hair is a better insulator when it is cold than wool or down and insulates even when wet (note Labradors that swim in frozen lakes). Also, the structure of the hair fiber changes when it gets warm and it breathes better than cotton. If it didn't, all those golden retrievers would have heat stroke.

    Now which dog -- I don't know. I'm sure short-haired Dachshund is impractical -- I'm guessing that Saint Bernard's might be close to ideal. You'll have to have it washed a lot to not have that doggy smell.

    So man's best friend has man's best sweater. Of course, this would be very expensive, but if you wanted the BEST all weather clothing, look no further than Dog Hair.

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  286. yeah, well I am a snarky karmawhore... by woodsrunner · · Score: 1

    But seriously, who'd want to go camping without an ax, frypan, tent, sleeping bag or towel???

    My camping philosophy is more Admundsen than Scott -- you do it right and you can go to Antarctica in style or you can be a survival dork and get there last and die miserably.

    Why focus on being a survivalist when you can set your horizon a bit higher? Besides, I am an overachiever.

    When I made the decision to get a CS degree, I figured the only way I could afford to do so was to not pay rent... so I camped for three and a half years. I didn't tell most of my class mates and they were none the wiser. If I did tell them they thought I was joking since I made a point of always wearing clean clothes and shaving regularly (unlike my classmates). I didn't bring honey, I had beehives. I had a garden and a woodstove.

    It was nice, but I like living in a house now. However, it's good to know that if the house was destroyed I wouldn't have trouble living well because living well is an intangible that is a part of one's self not an inventory gleaned from some lifestyle magazine.

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    When life gives you lemons, make organic lemon extract...

    1. Re:yeah, well I am a snarky karmawhore... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you can rise above "survival" -- that is always the way to go. I didn't go as primitive as you, but I do remember always having crap under my fingernails -- so yeah a towel is nice. Getting clean in a shower and being dry in a bed is the biggest thing you miss when "roughing it".

      Pretty cool that you camped through college. Everybody thinks the "have to" do things a certain way -- because have the subtle influence of our peers. But I wouldn't want to camp in many states or do this now that I'm older and not in peak shape.

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  287. Re:Computer Acess? Brain access? by hebie · · Score: 1

    This is the best idea. What happens in disasters most offen is the trauma and chaos makes you forget even common everyday things. Forget encryption keys. A knock on the head with falling debris can also do wonders to your memory. Inconspicous laminated paper is the best there can be. We have paper from BC. still intact.

  288. Condensing Life... Ahh, the Genie in the ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahh, the Genie in the Dongle myth

    *Any* catastrophic scenario (ie. Nature, Bio, Nuclear, etc...) overwhelms to wit: Katrina. Be ready to grab&go on 20min. notice - anywhere, anytime. Its a mindset, grok that.

    Break your gear down. Essentials==24 hours, Survival==6da basically, that's all you can carry (30#). The Essentials is your GO bag which you grab 1st and easiest to keep close to you. Survival is your 2nd takeaway, its heavier and bigger. Don't build up a pig to throw around. Think backpacking Lite. If you get the chance, take your Survival bag, but know you're good-to-go with the EssentialsBag.

    You are not packing for a trip. What you wear, you'll live-in for the first week or two. Take what will make the inconvenience tolerable. Like a drop of liquid soap does wonders once a day for underwear. Include food for yourself the first 24hr. Your choice: sugar or dehydrated food. Salt. Tools: leatherman-type, matches, 1st Aid, ductape, Rx, OTC remedies (aspirin, ibuprofin, sunscreen, blister patch,etc...) Clothing: Gloves- leather+latex, socks-in-baggie, 2nd pr. glasses, hat, jacket. Cash and Passport.

    SurvivalBAG include: Shelter: Tent, sleeping bag, stove, fuel, water (dromedary bags), foodstuffs, inclimate clothing, 2nd shoes, games. Build independence....

    Dry-run your EssentialsBag. Take a 5 day vacation. Throw out what you didn't use, add what you need.

  289. Larger Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The larger question in my mind is what do the public agencies / corporations do for data backup? Can the folks born in New Orleans still get copies of their birth certificates? Can they get new credit cards issued? It seems to me that while the individualist approach may be comforting to individuals, it may also be unnecessary if these institutions are trustworthy (a very big "if", I know, but this is the question I'm asking).
    I'm sure I don't have the resources that government and/or industry have to do secure backups, maintain fireproof server rooms, distaster recovery, etc.
    Is the original question the wrong question to be asking?
    Flame away...

  290. Fireproof files only have to resist 451 F! by Myself · · Score: 1

    Keep this in mind: Fireproof files are designed to protect paper. All they have to do is keep it below the point where paper combusts or degrades, and they've done their job. Of course, your CDs, backup tapes, and plastic-encased flash devices have long since become a puddle at the bottom of the box.

    A "media safe" uses evaporative elements in the housing, such as water-impregnated foam, to resist temperature rise past a certain point for a certain amount of time. They must be replaced after a single fire, because the thermal parts are exhausted. Media safes are many times the cost of regular fire safes.

    Geographically distributed backups, or those kept on your person, are a much better idea. Do you have a trusted friend who lives more than 500 miles away?

    1. Re:Fireproof files only have to resist 451 F! by gatzke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, I periodically make a DVD and ship it out to family. They get a "family album" and I get some level of backup.

      Nobody has mentioned EMP. Those flash drives will probably all be garbage in the case of a nuke, even if you survive.

  291. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Myself · · Score: 1

    Where does one find Gold discs these days? Just search the web for "Gold archival CD-R" and you'll find plenty of sources.

  292. Here it is by rduke15 · · Score: 1

    By your own reasoning it should be safe for you to post your credit card number on /.

    Why not?

    Here it is: 4901 1791 0036 7030

    Now what?

  293. My thumbdrive survived washer and dryer by Wesley+Everest · · Score: 1

    A few weeks back, I lost my thumbdrive. Last I remember seeing it was in my pocket, and I couldn't find it any obvious place it would've fallen out.

    I finally found it in the dryer. Turns out it went through one load in the washing machine and two loads in the dryer. Plugged it into my laptop and everything was fine.

  294. A better reason by briancnorton · · Score: 1

    Think worstcase scenario. A small nuclear explosion releases significant microwave radiation. Nt only that, but some electronic detection gear does not do good things to flash RAM. I would suggest a CD-ROM backup at some reasonable interval.

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    People who think they know everything really piss off those of us that actually do.

  295. Re:non-magnetic copy [Re:They tend to be pretty to by Helios1182 · · Score: 1

    I friend of mine used an Otterbox when we went packing a few years ago to store his camera and flash cards (Canon S100 I believe). He didn't abuse it by any means, but it went canoeing, hiking, rock climbing, and sailing over 3 weeks and it stayed in perfect condition. They aren't too expensive, and if you want to be sure you documents, digital or not, are safe, it can't hurt to spend a few dollars.

  296. Here's my take on this problem... by linkdead · · Score: 1

    It's not elegant but it WILL work.

    What you need:

    an old laptop with power supply.

    a CF to IDE adaptor, along with a IDE to notebook adaptor.

    win98/ME disc

    flash drive

    Vacuum sealer

    What you do is you take that laptop, and using the CF card, and adaptors, install the CF card into the laptop in place of the hard drive...this will ensure a maximum shock resiliency. MAKE SURE TO INSTALL YOUR ENCRYPTION SUITE!

    Once that is done, take the laptop, and power supply, and put it into a bag and use the vacuum sealer to render it waterproof. Do not open this until the apocalypse, or 5 years, just to verify it's still funcitonal.

    Next, take your flash drive, and use it for your backups as normal.

    Keep the vacuum sealer with appropriate sized bag ready. When the time comes, vaccum that puppy, and shove it in the napsack you will put the laptop into, and get your butt outta dodge!

    I actually have done this myself, since I live in a hurricane prone area...I'm ready for the worst.

  297. 101 Uses For A Dead Cat. by thelonestranger · · Score: 1

    101 uses for a dead cat? http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0517545160.01 .LZZZZZZZ.gif How is that going to help when things go pear shaped?

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    To err is human. To forgive is not company policy.
  298. Make a hard copy too by Muchsake · · Score: 1

    Assume that there could be an EMP type attack, your memory could get scrubbed. Print out all the critical stuff on A5 card and laminate it. You will wind up with a slim paperback with all your critical data on it. Keep that hidden by your knapsack (its too valuable to the ID thieves).

  299. make sure your family knows how to decrypt & a by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
    ... and make *sure* your family members know about your survival kit, including where it's kept and how to use and access the data on your CD/flash-drive/whatever. You don't want it to be useless to your family just because you aren't handy with the passwords and so forth to access it.

    Remember also to provide some other way to get the passwords if it's pw-locked. Under a stressful situation, what are the odds that you or your family will remember it?

  300. nukes would cause way worse problems... by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
    saitoh wrote: ... "While the odds of an EMP type disaster killing the drive (especially if stashed in a safe place) are slim, so are the odds of a nuclear disaster I guess."

    Frankly all these discussions involving nuke strikes miss an important point - if there is a nuke strike we're going to have other personal and societal problems so severe that not having your paperwork is probably going to be completely moot.

    ... assuming of course that we even survived the thing in the first place...

  301. BE CAREFU about info on your network-connected pc by Wilk4 · · Score: 1
    As you are compiling all this information, presumably keeping in on your hard drive of your pc/mac/whatever, consider the risk of putting a nice identity-theft-motherload together where it might get copied if your machine is hacked.

    Considering how many security holes and other compromises we are subject to these days, (even with good anti-virus, firewalls, etc) it's probably better to keep that information on some offline storage media. That way, when you get hacked, there is less chance someone will capture all your 'life documents' in one easy fell swoop.

    I have been compiling just-in-case info too, but I keep it on CD, flash or an external-usb-harddrive that is only connected to my PC when I'm working on those files.

  302. 2 levels to this: Relocation vs Apocalypse by first_tracks · · Score: 1

    I think some people are confusing Relocation vs Apocalypse. They really require seperate planning. If there is a minor or medium level catastrophe *which is NOT going to bring technology and civilization in your country to a screeching halt* (like a hurricane or earthquake), then yes, it is a great idea to utilize something like a USB drive to store all your vital info and beaurocratic crap like IRS returns, bank account info, etc. So, if you have to high-tail and possibly start over somewhere else, it will be fairly seamless.

    I would also recommend in this scenario to store vital info in some tar-zip file either on an online account (even something as simple as an email attachment sent to your gmail account) or purchase a domain and domain hosting and have your own private web area to store files. Then you don't have to remember to grab the USB drive going out the door (which you might).

    If there is an Apocalyptic event *which will bring your region/country/world to it's knees for a long time* (ie nuke/chem/bio terrorist attack, complete infrastructure breakdown), your USB drive backup or online backup or whatever is useless and your main concern should be survival. The best way to prepare for this is probably learning how to live off the land and maybe stocking up but that won't last you very long. I'd recommend moving out of any big cities now because when the shit hits the fan, the cities will be chaos (ala New Orleans). Move somewhere where there is plentiful resources and not a lot of people.

  303. Quantum Chemistist Off The Island by Vagary · · Score: 1

    Seems to me like quantum chemists are just about the last people we'd need after the fall of civilization. Hell, at least computer scientists can get to work on the next Stonehenge. Of course if recovery from the fall involves massive population rebuilding, the pretty package can be her contribution to the cause.

    1. Re:Quantum Chemistist Off The Island by JabberWokky · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Never underestimate the survival trait of big boobies.

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      Evan

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      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
  304. Lexar jump drive secure is good at 256MB, bad@1GB by Kodack · · Score: 1

    I own a Lexar Jump Drive secure in both 256 and 1GB sizes and these are almost 2 different products. The 256MB model has a very robust plastic resin case. The 1GB has a cheaper plastic and the plastic is painted. This means after 6 months on my keychain it is a featureless plastic blob with no identifying marks and faint traces of paint. The 256MB model had an easier to use and more robust encryption program. The way it works is you execute a program that comes on the keychain (mac or PC) and it installs an easy to use, non TSR program to allow you to partition a secure partition in whatever size you want, and to access the secure partition after insertion. It is a single .exe that is run and doesn't require you to install any drivers or programs that have to run all the time. You run it, you finish, you close it. Easy. The 1GB model has a completely different security program that requires installation and it keeps a driver running in the background at all times. Not convenient. I also gave up trying to use the software as it was so bug ridden it proved completly unuseable. It won't work through a hub for one thing, and for another I got a different error on every computer I tried to use the software on. Using it without encryption though it works fine. The 256 is a great deal, works great, and I couldn't ask for anything more from a thumb drive. I carry all my credit card info, phone numbers, and passwords on it in a locked partition. The best part is, that since it's a hardware encryption, you can't crack it without disassembling and modifying the hardware.