I completely agree with this. I have to add that I wouldn't have found so many non-mainstream artists that I have come to love if not for digital music. If I hear one interesting song on tv or in a movie or something and want to learn more about the artist, I'm not going to buy an album on a whim like this to learn more. They wouldn't have gotten my money for that anyway. Thankfully I've been able to listen to many tracks and decide I don't like them or in many cases my interest continues to grow. I haven't always bought the album after this but I just bought Brian Eno's Another Green World and Here Come The Warm Jets because of this. I came across his stuff totally randomly. If not for this I would still have no idea who Brian Eno is. Those albums weren't at Best Buy and they definitely don't play on the radio.
Yeah that's true. Jazz and blues really don't get any airtime, especially if not for public stations. Luckily I live near St. Louis and there is still a jazz and blues scene here and there is one college station totally committed to it. It's fun hearing the grizzled old blues guys on their own talk show.
I found out that the reason so many weren't hiring at our job fairs (University of Illinois) was that they had to have a certain amount of interviews to keep that spot in the job fair. They might want that for when they are actually hiring. The "keeping up appearances" thing is a good point as well. Verizon actually stood me up for an interview. I had the first one of the day for them so I imagine everyone else was stood up as well. I went to the interview location, waited a half an hour, then went to the Engineering Career Center and talked to the people there who were flabbergasted that Verizon hadn't shown up. They called them and found out they had no intention of coming. I imagine they called the other interviewees after that. I subsequently had a phone interview with them, probably just because the U of I people were mad at them. Of course I never heard from them again.
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Why does the link under "system recovery" go to a USB flash drive wikipedia article? The strange links in the blurbs often annoy me. Ok I see it has a couple references to recovery but maybe a recovery article of some type would have made more sense.
Yeah I definitely agree with that. You need that first job for "approval". If universities taught to business' requirements then they would have to have 50 different majors or sub-majors or something. Then you would have to get the 8 or so sub-majors for a certain job... they don't do this for other fields. I think businesses just treat CS people differently. There are plenty of people hired for something other than what they went to school for and yet they require all of these nitpicky things for hiring a CS person. I guess it's because they can. I wonder how many job openings go unfilled or unsatisfactorily filled because of this though.
Hey, that's really cool. I imagine you spent some time in Loomis Lab. My favorite physics was always mechanics. I could always feel my way through problems with that. That's probably boring stuff for you now. I took the engineering physics sequence though.
heheh... Well, you seemed to have turned out pretty well anyway:)
I graduated in 2002, University of Illinois. You can imagine how positive the outlook was and how it was different when I finished.
Numerical Methods, yes I had some interesting machine problems in that class with Matlab sophomore year. I want to get Matlab someday so I can run a few of them again:) I imagine it's out of my price range. I remember the 8th one I had a hexagon system with point masses at the corners and center and all connected by springs and the thing bounced around the box like jello. It was awesome.
Thanks for replying. I did work on a few things in my spare time, but I really felt like I didn't have that much spare time during school. I did go to parties occasionally but far fewer than even the average engineering student. My degree was difficult and I worked my butt off and got a solid GPA. I had no clue in high school. When I picked my major on my application, I really wasn't totally sure that's what I wanted to do since I had no idea what it was. I thought I was good with computers and I liked them:) I found out in my first CS class that 3/4 of the students there had already been programming. That scared me a bit but then I did really well in the class with hard work thankfully.
A few regrets I have about school (well not school I guess) are that I wish I had been involved in some CS related activities outside of class. (I also wish I was in more social/intramural type things.) The problem was that something like that would surely have lowered my grades. It was obvious that free time for studying directly correlated to grades. Most of all I wish I had been able to get an internship or co-op. I definitely tried. This lack of work experience became a big empty spot on my resume that plagued me ever since. It often seemed like all the companies were there to get their interview minimum in and keep their spot in the job fairs. I was even stood up by a company. I nearly got an internship with HP. I did well on the first interview but not well on the all-day affair in Dallas. That was pretty much the worst week of my life so I think bad timing was part of it. That trip hurt a few grades too. I worked full time at home instead in the summers.
I am finally working at a job that uses my degree knowledge and skills to some degree, but it took me about 4 years after college to get it. I had an interesting project that helped. You said the classes you take don't mean much in the real world... well I am using stuff I learned in those classes now. Thank god for this job. I wouldn't put my degree on the wall despite the nice frame for those 4 years. It really felt like I wasted those 4 years and the $ and now I was wasting my life. Actually I didn't feel like it was wasted, I know I learned a lot, I felt like I just didn't get anything from it. Now just because of this job, a door has been opened and I can begin my career. I am starting small, small company, small salary, but I'm just glad to be doing this at all now.
I've never met a new graduate that still did not need about 6 months of training before they were truly qualified for the work that is required.
But who will give them this chance? I never got it. almost once
The classes you take don't really mean too much in the real world. It's all about demonstrating what you can DO...
Or knowing people... I read that 80% of people got their jobs from networking. I need to get better at that.
Ok, how did you get your first job without X Y Z experience then if you had less CS related education than CS students?? or those CS people that were laid off before... or the Indians living nextdoor in my apartment complex?
AMEN. I was told I was overqualified for a sysadmin position. I had a solid CS degree but I had no related work experience whatsoever. Give me a break. How does one find their first job then?
Would you hire a lawyer with no actual practice in COURT
What are you saying exactly? How is this different than CS majors? This lawyer you speak of must have been given a chance to "practice" in court. I don't think law students get to play lawyers in real trials, do they? They pass a bar exam and automatically become lawyers and will get hired! Someone has to hire the lawyer in the first place and in their first case they don't have "actual practice in COURT" beforehand do they? At some point a company has to take a chance on someone fresh and lacking experience. CS majors don't really get this chance from my experience.
That's idiotic. If I was looking for someone to hire, I would know that you did some great stuff. But then again, I have a CS degree and maybe they didn't.
I never had to use VB. The non-engineers, non-CS majors took a CS class with VB sometimes though. I agree, I guess you should have gone to a better school.
The Journal repeatedly claims that increasing the American population is wonderful because doing so increases the wealth of the nation via increasing human capital. To a point, this claim is true. Consider an economy of exactly one person. That economy is pathetically poor because one person, regardless of how smart she is, cannot be equally skilled in all areas of work.
Yeah but think about it. That one person would be incredibly rich:)
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I completely agree with this. I have to add that I wouldn't have found so many non-mainstream artists that I have come to love if not for digital music. If I hear one interesting song on tv or in a movie or something and want to learn more about the artist, I'm not going to buy an album on a whim like this to learn more. They wouldn't have gotten my money for that anyway. Thankfully I've been able to listen to many tracks and decide I don't like them or in many cases my interest continues to grow. I haven't always bought the album after this but I just bought Brian Eno's Another Green World and Here Come The Warm Jets because of this. I came across his stuff totally randomly. If not for this I would still have no idea who Brian Eno is. Those albums weren't at Best Buy and they definitely don't play on the radio.
Because he didn't buy the music. You don't own your music, you just own a license to play it.
Yeah that's true. Jazz and blues really don't get any airtime, especially if not for public stations. Luckily I live near St. Louis and there is still a jazz and blues scene here and there is one college station totally committed to it. It's fun hearing the grizzled old blues guys on their own talk show.
and you can even play your CDs/digital music in your car usually for free.
I found out that the reason so many weren't hiring at our job fairs (University of Illinois) was that they had to have a certain amount of interviews to keep that spot in the job fair. They might want that for when they are actually hiring. The "keeping up appearances" thing is a good point as well. Verizon actually stood me up for an interview. I had the first one of the day for them so I imagine everyone else was stood up as well. I went to the interview location, waited a half an hour, then went to the Engineering Career Center and talked to the people there who were flabbergasted that Verizon hadn't shown up. They called them and found out they had no intention of coming. I imagine they called the other interviewees after that. I subsequently had a phone interview with them, probably just because the U of I people were mad at them. Of course I never heard from them again.
you see the mountains on baby too???!! woooo-eeee
So what does YAML stand for?
Why does the link under "system recovery" go to a USB flash drive wikipedia article? The strange links in the blurbs often annoy me. Ok I see it has a couple references to recovery but maybe a recovery article of some type would have made more sense.
Here's a data recovery company I know:
http://www.essdatarecovery.com/
Yeah I definitely agree with that. You need that first job for "approval". If universities taught to business' requirements then they would have to have 50 different majors or sub-majors or something. Then you would have to get the 8 or so sub-majors for a certain job... they don't do this for other fields. I think businesses just treat CS people differently. There are plenty of people hired for something other than what they went to school for and yet they require all of these nitpicky things for hiring a CS person. I guess it's because they can. I wonder how many job openings go unfilled or unsatisfactorily filled because of this though.
how about killing someone? those poor captured serial killers...
That... and I've noticed that people that have smoked a lot often seem half asleep even when they aren't on it.
Hey, that's really cool. I imagine you spent some time in Loomis Lab. My favorite physics was always mechanics. I could always feel my way through problems with that. That's probably boring stuff for you now. I took the engineering physics sequence though.
:)
heheh...
Well, you seemed to have turned out pretty well anyway
I graduated in 2002, University of Illinois. You can imagine how positive the outlook was and how it was different when I finished.
:) I imagine it's out of my price range. I remember the 8th one I had a hexagon system with point masses at the corners and center and all connected by springs and the thing bounced around the box like jello. It was awesome.
Numerical Methods, yes I had some interesting machine problems in that class with Matlab sophomore year. I want to get Matlab someday so I can run a few of them again
A few regrets I have about school (well not school I guess) are that I wish I had been involved in some CS related activities outside of class. (I also wish I was in more social/intramural type things.) The problem was that something like that would surely have lowered my grades. It was obvious that free time for studying directly correlated to grades. Most of all I wish I had been able to get an internship or co-op. I definitely tried. This lack of work experience became a big empty spot on my resume that plagued me ever since. It often seemed like all the companies were there to get their interview minimum in and keep their spot in the job fairs. I was even stood up by a company. I nearly got an internship with HP. I did well on the first interview but not well on the all-day affair in Dallas. That was pretty much the worst week of my life so I think bad timing was part of it. That trip hurt a few grades too. I worked full time at home instead in the summers.
I am finally working at a job that uses my degree knowledge and skills to some degree, but it took me about 4 years after college to get it. I had an interesting project that helped. You said the classes you take don't mean much in the real world... well I am using stuff I learned in those classes now. Thank god for this job. I wouldn't put my degree on the wall despite the nice frame for those 4 years. It really felt like I wasted those 4 years and the $ and now I was wasting my life. Actually I didn't feel like it was wasted, I know I learned a lot, I felt like I just didn't get anything from it. Now just because of this job, a door has been opened and I can begin my career. I am starting small, small company, small salary, but I'm just glad to be doing this at all now.
But who will give them this chance? I never got it. almost once
Or knowing people... I read that 80% of people got their jobs from networking. I need to get better at that.
Ok, how did you get your first job without X Y Z experience then if you had less CS related education than CS students?? or those CS people that were laid off before... or the Indians living nextdoor in my apartment complex?
oh 20 years. It was different then I guess.
Please tell us more...
AMEN. I was told I was overqualified for a sysadmin position. I had a solid CS degree but I had no related work experience whatsoever. Give me a break. How does one find their first job then?
I would also like examples here. I know that American made automobiles have definitely increased in quality over the years.
I agree. I have a friend in Guangzhou that says the opposite of this article.
I finally found a job related to my degree and I'm making 35K. You have to be joking.
There are enough workers. They just want to swap out for the cheaper ones.
What are you saying exactly? How is this different than CS majors? This lawyer you speak of must have been given a chance to "practice" in court. I don't think law students get to play lawyers in real trials, do they? They pass a bar exam and automatically become lawyers and will get hired! Someone has to hire the lawyer in the first place and in their first case they don't have "actual practice in COURT" beforehand do they? At some point a company has to take a chance on someone fresh and lacking experience. CS majors don't really get this chance from my experience.
That's idiotic. If I was looking for someone to hire, I would know that you did some great stuff. But then again, I have a CS degree and maybe they didn't.
I never had to use VB. The non-engineers, non-CS majors took a CS class with VB sometimes though.
I agree, I guess you should have gone to a better school.
No it doesn't work that way. Businesses don't care what schools are focusing on. They want just what they want.
Training is going the way of the pension.
Yeah but think about it. That one person would be incredibly rich