It really boils down to how I use the devices. On my phone, I have widgets on the lock screen (not in a pulldown, on the lock screen itself), more widgets in a pulldown that exists on both the lock screen and the home screen (a-la iOS), and on the home screen as well. All of them provide different information and functionality and are arranged form most used (on the lock screen) to least (on the home screen). iOS, in its current incarnation lacks, both the former and latter options, which eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my phone for over my iPad. And the lack of physical keyboard and pressure-sensitive stylus eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my iPad for over my phone, so even an iPhone (for which the Pencil is useless and a physical keyboard is a cumbersome additional item to carry, rather than a simple case as with the iPad) doesn't fill those gaps.
I understand that some people (likely the other poster in this thread, but I somehow doubt you fit into this category) use their tablet as an oversized phone, and for those people there's really no difference other than their tablet not having a voice plan through their wireless carrier. Those people use both devices identically, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness (see: iPad selfie) so, of course, they prefer the same OS and interface on both, and those are the very same set who will have either an iPhone and an iPad, an Android phone and Android tablet (as with the other poster in this thread), just a phone (because why bother with a tablet that is just going to server the purpose already served by the phone?), or just a tablet (because who needs a phone in 2016?); and that's fine, that's what works for them.
But, I believe you and I are enough similar (both power-users, to say the least) that it makes sense for us to purchase devices with their specific purposes in mind. For me, that means Android's widgets for my get-information-quickly device and iOS's more elegant (IMO) interface for switching between (and now splitscreening) applications for my sit-down-and-do-stuff-on-the-go device. Something tells me the information you often seek is different than that which I often seek, so iOS's notifications and widgets drawer might be more suited to your needs.
Personally, the longer I have to interact with the phone, the more I want to get it out of my hand; and I spend longer interacting with an iPhone to get the same information. The rare exception to that is web browsing and mobile games. For games, I really don't see a difference between the two and I'm more than happy to collect Pokemon for my wife while she's driving, provided she hands it to me already unlocked and running. For web browsing, now there's where the real fire and brimstone absolute hatred comes into play, I really DO NOT like Safari and my wife does not have Chrome on her iPhone. I have it on my iPad and it's fine. Yes, I realize it's just a Chrome skin over top of Safari, but it's really iOS Safari's interface that bugs the heck out of me. Honestly, she says it bugs her as well, but not nearly as much as iOS insisting on opening external links in Safari despite her preference (which iOS doesn't allow her to declare); she prefers a single browser and I don't find fault with that. I'm a web developer, so I'm already used to switching browsers all day and that doesn't bother me nearly as much as being stuck with Safari's "you're too dumb to decide for yourself whether you want the desktop or mobile version of this page" interface. Especially in a world where mobile versions are, still in fucking 2016, quite often nowhere near as capable as, and often lack much of the information available from, their desktop counterparts. As a web developer, this grinds my gears so hard!
I fear, at this point, that I've perhaps exposed too much of my psyche in this post... Oh well, you already knew I was off my rocker. Or, at least, had your suspicions.
there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet
Except that I pull my phone out when I need to get at some piece of information quickly and I pull my iPad out when I'm settling in to do something that's maybe going to take a bit longer. In the latter case, the OS interface being a little slower matters less because a larger percentage of time is spent in-app, while in the former case a larger percentage of time is spent in the OS interface, so efficiency there matters much more.
I've, frankly, found the widgets and notifications available in iOS far less effective than Android's widget and notification systems. The notifications, perhaps less so, but the ability to drop widgets on my home screen means I don't have to fill my lock screen with a ton of "scroll through to maybe find what you're looking for if you don't scroll past it" crap, as is the case on iOS. For a device primarily used for quick access to information, that literally makes all the difference.
It may also be that I primarily use my iPad Pro with a physical keyboard, which is something a bit more cumbersome to carry with a phone, and Pencil which doesn't work with the iPhone in the first place, whereas the typical use case for a phone involves a purely touch (and maybe voice) interface.
TL;DR: there are quite significant differences in tablet and phone usage.
100% agree on the back button. What's funny is that iPhone users say the same about Android apps being a fragmented mess because "iOS provides a standard set of interface elements", completely ignoring the fact that Android does as well but that really only matters if app developers use them; which they don't on either platform because every app has to have its own shiny to set it apart from the others. In the face of all the "unique" shiny, that back button is a bastion of comfort, for sure.
You should to check out an iPad in the store though. Or, better, ask a friend to borrow yours (assuming being an iOS user isn't an automatic de-friend for you) so you can see what real apps (and not just the demo crap) are like on one. The kind of apps one is more likely to use on a tablet actually function well on an iPad; or, at least, the ones I use.
I do butt heads with the lack of a proper filesystem at times, but the "share with [X] app" and "open in [X] app" workarounds have also saved me from destroying something I was working on in several instances, so I've come to the conclusion it's a fair trade. The amount of time I spend dealing with those "features" of iOS is roughly equal to the amount of work I would have lost if not for those features, so it's really 6 of one, half-dozen of the other; same amount of time wasted in different places.
The problem is they're not only competing with "free", they're competing with "convenient". Where can I buy a blu-ray without 15 minutes of bullshit before the movie?
That said, there's not a whole hell of a lot being produced today that's even worth the time to torrent. So I don't.
If something really catches my interest I'll gather a few friends (or my wife if I can convince her to set foot in a theater that night) and go see it on the big screen. If it's something I didn't mind dicking around buying tickets, waiting in line and overpaying for popcorn and flat soda, and sitting through a half hour of previews, ads, and inane bullshit in order to see, I'll probably buy the blu-ray if I think I might want to see it again. I own two blu-ray discs. What's that tell you?
Honestly, I'd probably own more, but there's not really much they put out that I still want to see a 2nd or 3rd time after 15 minutes of previews for shit I don't care about. It's not even price at this point, it's time. I can bill more in the time I waste waiting for the damn movie to start than I paid for the damn movie and that is a problem.
She actually ended up with a 6S Plus because her 6 Plus was having issues so no upgrades for her for a while. I think she was more interested in the interface, though, not the capabilities of the hardware. The specific things that make people prefer the Android interface over iOS (or vise versa, for that matter) are things that Apple either wont change for philosophical reasons or can't change for patent and licensing reasons.
On the other hand, for those who do care more about hardware capabilities than interface functionality, sure, Apple might have the faster CPU (actually, they don't as of this generation of devices), but that isn't gonna give the iPhone full NFC capabilities any time soon. In fact, no, I take that back, that one's for the interface geeks, as well; the iPhone hardware has full NFC capabilities, yet my wife has to hand me her NFC toll cards (around here it's Clipper) to find out what's left on them as Apple has chosen not to allow developers to use that hardware. I've been able to read those cards (and not have to drive out of my way to a transit station (around here that's BART), to find out what's on the cards in order to plan and budget for a trip into SF, for 4 years now. Where's this functionality on an Apple device? And, when the nearest BART station is now a 40 minute drive with a $5 toll on the return trip, that's more than a convenience feature, especially when we tend to plan these trips days in advance so, no, it's not like we'd be using that gas and paying that toll anyway.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
No, I don't think Apple is ever going to "fix" the iPhone. There are some things they could (but won't) fix and others they're legally restrained from fixing. The latter, I'm sure, could be worked around with a bit of licensing, but that would drive up the price of the phone to more than I'd be willing to pay, while the former would require a complete change in the company's core philosophies.
I will admit, though, the iPhone does seem to run Pokemon GO better than any Android device I've seen it on. So... There that, I guess?
Honestly, this is what confuses me. The iPad is, de-facto, the industry leading tablet, it beats anything else I've seen to date in battery life, performance, and usability. The iPhone, on the other hand... every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
I've never been able to put my finger on it, honestly. And yes, I did actually use an iPhone for a bit, before I got my first Android phone, so it's not like I've never actually given it a real go; i have, it's just not for me (or most other people, obviously). There's just something about the organizational structure of the interface that bugs me. As similar as iOS and Android are when it comes to the "find icon, tap icon, app launches" interface paradigm, Android just feels... better. I feel like I can pop that app open, glean the information I need from it, and be done faster on Android than on iOS, and this is despite the fact that i still haven't bothered to place apps on my home screen on my Android phone, they're all still in the app drawer, while my wife has her iPhone home screen "pages" fairly well organized.
Funny, every iPhone owner I know upgrades yearly. Some are behind the curve, upgrading to the from the 3yr old device to the 2yr old device because they're broke AF, but they all upgrade yearly.
That's not a put-down, either; at least for those on the most recent devices. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be on the fastest, newest, shiniest hardware, and people on both sides do it.
If Samsung's sales are only higher than Apple's over the past quarter simply because, as you claim, Android phones need to be upgraded more often, why haven't they been higher in past quarters? Could it not be that Apple's sales are declining (they are) because their product line is stagnating and only seeing minimally incremental changes for the past year or so (it is) while Samsung is actually improving their products significantly?
The S7 Edge was enough to catch my firmly-entrenched-in-the-iOS-ecosystem wife's eye. She tried getting me to trade phones with her for a week so she could try it out, but I just can't use an iPhone as my primary device.
My iPad Pro, on the other hand... I love the fuck out of that thing, I just can't do Android on a tablet. I use the two devices differently, and Android just happens to better fit how I use a phone, while iOS better fits how I use a tablet.
2. Since this is a "Pro" install CONNECTED TO A DOMAIN, why is it even TRYING?
That does sound a bit like he's bitching, but it's also a valid question. Why is it trying? The answer, of course, is that it's Pro and not Enterprise, there is no WU server, and the subsystem that allows it hasn't been overridden (using the tools provided elsewhere in this thread).
3. How did it appear when I SUPPOSEDLY have Windows Updates COMPLETELY DISABLED?!?
That's a very damn valid question, as well. It is a Windows update that initiates the nagging, the update was not installed prior to updates being completely disabled, so how did it start? Why did the update get installed while updates were disabled?
The problem, it seems, is actually IT policy, given that his company appears to have no IT staff. I'd guess that to mean his company has no official IT policy, either. So yes, he's looking for a personal solution because, clearly, there is nobody else at his company who can provide one. Perhaps he is looking for a solution to deploy within the company at little or no cost, and he's been given a couple options by people who are actually interested in helping, rather than being internet tough guys.
isn't one of the complaints that W10 Updates tend to "helpfully fix" stuff like disabled Telemetry?
I've heard this, but I've never actually seen it. I'm sure someone, somewhere, has had it happen, or thinks they have; it seems plausible that someone might have changed some settings, installed some updates, broken something, then reverted to the first (and potentially only) restore point, the one Windows itself creates at the end of the install process. This would, of course, revert the settings, as the restore point was made before the settings changed. I'm just pulling this out of my ass, of course it's also entirely possible that this is a real issue but, again, I haven't seen it myself.
I don't even use my Macs for nefarious activities (which aren't very nefarious anyway); I use my iPad; because Mobile Safari doesn't keep browser history, per se.
So you admit you perform nefarious acts in teh interbewbz? Got it.;-P
To each their own, please don't feel like I'm trying to pressure you, but... well... allowing the upgrade to happen is yet another way to stop the nagging. Just sayin'.
It's really not as bad as some people make it out to be. Win 10 brought me back to Windows after nearly 6 years of being Mac-only. Well, that and wanting a faster laptop than Apple offered, but when my choices were Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 I was willing to suffer. To be fair, my rMBP still accounts for 20-40% of my daily computer use, varying based on what I'm doing that day.
but what's wrong with taking the pills for 3 or 4 days while you are waiting to see the specialist?
Assuming they actually work (in my experience they don't; when I threw my back out they gave me a shot of Dilaudid and it didn't do dick for the pain, nor did the Norco or Tramadol they prescribed) and there are no side effects (in my experience there almost always are) or addiction issues (I consider myself lucky that there weren't), there is nothing wrong with that.
Or if you brake your leg, or get a tooth pulled, or any other thing were a normal doctor could easily say "here have some pain pills for a week while you heal" no need to see a specialist if you can clearly see on the x-ray that your leg is broken... at least till the swelling goes down enough.
In these instances it would be possible for the doctor to consult with a specialist for the prescription. Or, as in the case of dentistry (e.g. your pulled tooth example), exceptions can be made to allow prescriptions coincidental to other treatment. A dentist can only prescribe medications in direct relation to dental work, for dental-related purposes, and the dentist must justify the prescription; a pharmacy may ask for documentation proving the prescription necessary. There's no reason the same can't be applied the the entirety of the medical field as it pertains to pain medications, as there are a number of very real dangers associated with the misuse (or even use as directed) of these medications.
I can't disagree with #1, honestly, but you can turn all of that off (and, indeed, it's the first thing I do during setup). The only thing you can't turn off is crash reports, and the developer in me fully understands why. I don't necessarily agree with forced crash reporting, but the fact is that people were even less likely to submit crash reports voluntarily than they were to install updates regularly, which kind of makes it difficult to track down and fix certain bugs. It's something I can deal with; if others can't, I'm also in a position to understand that. That said, my suggestion would be to just keep any illicit activities to your Mac and carry on...;-)
Regarding #2, I skipped 8 and 8.1 precisely because of the lack of a proper start menu and the fact that the proper desktop was a secondary option, so I fully understand the concern. In Win 10, you can have the tile interface and, on a tablet, it's actually quite a nice interface. But Microsoft actually did the right thing here and brought back the proper desktop and start menu as the default. They did try to stick tiles in the start menus, as well, but you can turn them off. If you really want the Win 7 start menu (as I did), there's Classic Shell, which lets you do that and more. My start button is currently a middle finger thanks to Classic Shell; you could also, for example, drop an Apple logo down there if you were so inclined.
For the record, I would have also suggested Never10 except that many users are reporting that it either stops working and needs to be run again, or simply didn't work for them. Never10 is less intrusive, for sure, so it may be worthwhile to try it first, though I'm not sure if it does anything to stop the telemetry updates.
On a personal note, I took the Win10 upgrade and, in fact, am waiting for parts to arrive for a new Win10 system build. It's not a bad OS, and the telemetry you can't turn off really isn't anything nefarious, it's stack traces and system metrics relating to crashes and system issues MS might have an interest in actually fixing; and it seems that's exactly what they're using the data for. After a rocky start with the OS and a few rounds of patches (seemingly driven by telemetry data), it's turned out to be rock-solid, stable, and actually quite a speedy system. Might I ask what your objection is? I know there are dozens of them floating around, I'm just curious which one you're holding on to; you might tell me something I haven't heard yet.
You didn't ask for help. [...] small business that has servers, but no IT.
He did ask for help and he did not mention servers. These are desktops. You know, the little boxes you often find at desks, with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor attached, often along with a printer or scanner and possibly a webcam, and typically not in a rack with dozens or hundreds of similar systems. If his company had servers of any sort on-site they'd likely have both IT staff to manage them and a WU server on their domain.
The question really was simple, though: how does one, an individual (the bits about being signed in to a domain or it being a work PC are really and truly irrelevant here) running Win 7, prevent the telemetry and Win 10 nag updates from "infecting" their system?
You might be surprised to learn that there are options above and beyond setting up your own WU server and signing into a domain. In that vein, here's an actually useful answer, so that you can know what one looks like in the future:
Try GWX Control Panel, which should not only stop the Win 10 nags, but also allow you to block the telemetry updates without fully disabling Windows Update. Since it doesn't rely on being signed into a domain, it should work for all versions of Win 7, 8, and 8.1, and not just Pro and Enterprise releases. Hope this helps!
You'd prefer my driving high to me driving with a migraine. Trust me. But, then, I researched and found a strain that gets rid of my migraines without actually getting me high. I'm sure if I overdid it, it eventually would, but it certainly doesn't in the doses I use for medicinal purposes. I need to keep a clear head for my work and this lets me do that.
And yes, I've been high before, I know what it's like. I've also been stoned and I know what that's like. You want to see me stoned? Give me any of the FDA approved migraine drugs. They're all powerful hallucinogens...
That's actually not what addiction is... that's certainly irresponsibility, but it's not addiction. They think they're okay to drive stoned, so they do it, much like someone who might get a bit too drunk on a Friday night and drive home when they shouldn't isn't necessarily an alcoholic. Or much like a Millennial might still try to walk across a busy street with their phone glued to their face isn't addicted, just stupid.
Our school zones are 8am-5pm. Fucking obey it and don't be a weasley cunt.
What makes you think I don't? I do. But if there are no children outside (and I have eyes, I can see them if they're there), there are no children in danger if I don't.
Now, if I had actually said I don't obey the law despite disagreeing with it, I wouldn't think you're an asshole.
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It really boils down to how I use the devices. On my phone, I have widgets on the lock screen (not in a pulldown, on the lock screen itself), more widgets in a pulldown that exists on both the lock screen and the home screen (a-la iOS), and on the home screen as well. All of them provide different information and functionality and are arranged form most used (on the lock screen) to least (on the home screen). iOS, in its current incarnation lacks, both the former and latter options, which eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my phone for over my iPad. And the lack of physical keyboard and pressure-sensitive stylus eliminates roughly 90% of what I use my iPad for over my phone, so even an iPhone (for which the Pencil is useless and a physical keyboard is a cumbersome additional item to carry, rather than a simple case as with the iPad) doesn't fill those gaps.
I understand that some people (likely the other poster in this thread, but I somehow doubt you fit into this category) use their tablet as an oversized phone, and for those people there's really no difference other than their tablet not having a voice plan through their wireless carrier. Those people use both devices identically, sometimes to the point of ridiculousness (see: iPad selfie) so, of course, they prefer the same OS and interface on both, and those are the very same set who will have either an iPhone and an iPad, an Android phone and Android tablet (as with the other poster in this thread), just a phone (because why bother with a tablet that is just going to server the purpose already served by the phone?), or just a tablet (because who needs a phone in 2016?); and that's fine, that's what works for them.
But, I believe you and I are enough similar (both power-users, to say the least) that it makes sense for us to purchase devices with their specific purposes in mind. For me, that means Android's widgets for my get-information-quickly device and iOS's more elegant (IMO) interface for switching between (and now splitscreening) applications for my sit-down-and-do-stuff-on-the-go device. Something tells me the information you often seek is different than that which I often seek, so iOS's notifications and widgets drawer might be more suited to your needs.
Personally, the longer I have to interact with the phone, the more I want to get it out of my hand; and I spend longer interacting with an iPhone to get the same information. The rare exception to that is web browsing and mobile games. For games, I really don't see a difference between the two and I'm more than happy to collect Pokemon for my wife while she's driving, provided she hands it to me already unlocked and running. For web browsing, now there's where the real fire and brimstone absolute hatred comes into play, I really DO NOT like Safari and my wife does not have Chrome on her iPhone. I have it on my iPad and it's fine. Yes, I realize it's just a Chrome skin over top of Safari, but it's really iOS Safari's interface that bugs the heck out of me. Honestly, she says it bugs her as well, but not nearly as much as iOS insisting on opening external links in Safari despite her preference (which iOS doesn't allow her to declare); she prefers a single browser and I don't find fault with that. I'm a web developer, so I'm already used to switching browsers all day and that doesn't bother me nearly as much as being stuck with Safari's "you're too dumb to decide for yourself whether you want the desktop or mobile version of this page" interface. Especially in a world where mobile versions are, still in fucking 2016, quite often nowhere near as capable as, and often lack much of the information available from, their desktop counterparts. As a web developer, this grinds my gears so hard!
I fear, at this point, that I've perhaps exposed too much of my psyche in this post... Oh well, you already knew I was off my rocker. Or, at least, had your suspicions.
there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet
Except that I pull my phone out when I need to get at some piece of information quickly and I pull my iPad out when I'm settling in to do something that's maybe going to take a bit longer. In the latter case, the OS interface being a little slower matters less because a larger percentage of time is spent in-app, while in the former case a larger percentage of time is spent in the OS interface, so efficiency there matters much more.
I've, frankly, found the widgets and notifications available in iOS far less effective than Android's widget and notification systems. The notifications, perhaps less so, but the ability to drop widgets on my home screen means I don't have to fill my lock screen with a ton of "scroll through to maybe find what you're looking for if you don't scroll past it" crap, as is the case on iOS. For a device primarily used for quick access to information, that literally makes all the difference.
It may also be that I primarily use my iPad Pro with a physical keyboard, which is something a bit more cumbersome to carry with a phone, and Pencil which doesn't work with the iPhone in the first place, whereas the typical use case for a phone involves a purely touch (and maybe voice) interface.
TL;DR: there are quite significant differences in tablet and phone usage.
100% agree on the back button. What's funny is that iPhone users say the same about Android apps being a fragmented mess because "iOS provides a standard set of interface elements", completely ignoring the fact that Android does as well but that really only matters if app developers use them; which they don't on either platform because every app has to have its own shiny to set it apart from the others. In the face of all the "unique" shiny, that back button is a bastion of comfort, for sure.
You should to check out an iPad in the store though. Or, better, ask a friend to borrow yours (assuming being an iOS user isn't an automatic de-friend for you) so you can see what real apps (and not just the demo crap) are like on one. The kind of apps one is more likely to use on a tablet actually function well on an iPad; or, at least, the ones I use.
I do butt heads with the lack of a proper filesystem at times, but the "share with [X] app" and "open in [X] app" workarounds have also saved me from destroying something I was working on in several instances, so I've come to the conclusion it's a fair trade. The amount of time I spend dealing with those "features" of iOS is roughly equal to the amount of work I would have lost if not for those features, so it's really 6 of one, half-dozen of the other; same amount of time wasted in different places.
The problem is they're not only competing with "free", they're competing with "convenient". Where can I buy a blu-ray without 15 minutes of bullshit before the movie?
That said, there's not a whole hell of a lot being produced today that's even worth the time to torrent. So I don't.
If something really catches my interest I'll gather a few friends (or my wife if I can convince her to set foot in a theater that night) and go see it on the big screen. If it's something I didn't mind dicking around buying tickets, waiting in line and overpaying for popcorn and flat soda, and sitting through a half hour of previews, ads, and inane bullshit in order to see, I'll probably buy the blu-ray if I think I might want to see it again. I own two blu-ray discs. What's that tell you?
Honestly, I'd probably own more, but there's not really much they put out that I still want to see a 2nd or 3rd time after 15 minutes of previews for shit I don't care about. It's not even price at this point, it's time. I can bill more in the time I waste waiting for the damn movie to start than I paid for the damn movie and that is a problem.
And yet here you are...
She actually ended up with a 6S Plus because her 6 Plus was having issues so no upgrades for her for a while. I think she was more interested in the interface, though, not the capabilities of the hardware. The specific things that make people prefer the Android interface over iOS (or vise versa, for that matter) are things that Apple either wont change for philosophical reasons or can't change for patent and licensing reasons.
On the other hand, for those who do care more about hardware capabilities than interface functionality, sure, Apple might have the faster CPU (actually, they don't as of this generation of devices), but that isn't gonna give the iPhone full NFC capabilities any time soon. In fact, no, I take that back, that one's for the interface geeks, as well; the iPhone hardware has full NFC capabilities, yet my wife has to hand me her NFC toll cards (around here it's Clipper) to find out what's left on them as Apple has chosen not to allow developers to use that hardware. I've been able to read those cards (and not have to drive out of my way to a transit station (around here that's BART), to find out what's on the cards in order to plan and budget for a trip into SF, for 4 years now. Where's this functionality on an Apple device? And, when the nearest BART station is now a 40 minute drive with a $5 toll on the return trip, that's more than a convenience feature, especially when we tend to plan these trips days in advance so, no, it's not like we'd be using that gas and paying that toll anyway.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
No, I don't think Apple is ever going to "fix" the iPhone. There are some things they could (but won't) fix and others they're legally restrained from fixing. The latter, I'm sure, could be worked around with a bit of licensing, but that would drive up the price of the phone to more than I'd be willing to pay, while the former would require a complete change in the company's core philosophies.
I will admit, though, the iPhone does seem to run Pokemon GO better than any Android device I've seen it on. So... There that, I guess?
Honestly, this is what confuses me. The iPad is, de-facto, the industry leading tablet, it beats anything else I've seen to date in battery life, performance, and usability. The iPhone, on the other hand... every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
I've never been able to put my finger on it, honestly. And yes, I did actually use an iPhone for a bit, before I got my first Android phone, so it's not like I've never actually given it a real go; i have, it's just not for me (or most other people, obviously). There's just something about the organizational structure of the interface that bugs me. As similar as iOS and Android are when it comes to the "find icon, tap icon, app launches" interface paradigm, Android just feels... better. I feel like I can pop that app open, glean the information I need from it, and be done faster on Android than on iOS, and this is despite the fact that i still haven't bothered to place apps on my home screen on my Android phone, they're all still in the app drawer, while my wife has her iPhone home screen "pages" fairly well organized.
Funny, every iPhone owner I know upgrades yearly. Some are behind the curve, upgrading to the from the 3yr old device to the 2yr old device because they're broke AF, but they all upgrade yearly.
That's not a put-down, either; at least for those on the most recent devices. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be on the fastest, newest, shiniest hardware, and people on both sides do it.
If Samsung's sales are only higher than Apple's over the past quarter simply because, as you claim, Android phones need to be upgraded more often, why haven't they been higher in past quarters? Could it not be that Apple's sales are declining (they are) because their product line is stagnating and only seeing minimally incremental changes for the past year or so (it is) while Samsung is actually improving their products significantly?
The S7 Edge was enough to catch my firmly-entrenched-in-the-iOS-ecosystem wife's eye. She tried getting me to trade phones with her for a week so she could try it out, but I just can't use an iPhone as my primary device.
My iPad Pro, on the other hand... I love the fuck out of that thing, I just can't do Android on a tablet. I use the two devices differently, and Android just happens to better fit how I use a phone, while iOS better fits how I use a tablet.
Flamebait? Really? I was legitimately amused by the comment...
I love your first definition of fire hazard. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
He actually said most people are smart enough to figure it out... that the rest are morons doesn't negate the compliment he gave his target audience.
Maybe get to know the guy? I used to think of him the same way you do, so I'm not placing blame, but your assessment is a bit off-base.
Why the FUCK would you think a YELLING profanity laden RANT was a LEGITIMATE question?
You're implying that this is not a legitimate question? I can roll with that.
1. How the FUCK do I get RID of it?
Sounds like he's asking for help, there.
2. Since this is a "Pro" install CONNECTED TO A DOMAIN, why is it even TRYING?
That does sound a bit like he's bitching, but it's also a valid question. Why is it trying? The answer, of course, is that it's Pro and not Enterprise, there is no WU server, and the subsystem that allows it hasn't been overridden (using the tools provided elsewhere in this thread).
3. How did it appear when I SUPPOSEDLY have Windows Updates COMPLETELY DISABLED?!?
That's a very damn valid question, as well. It is a Windows update that initiates the nagging, the update was not installed prior to updates being completely disabled, so how did it start? Why did the update get installed while updates were disabled?
The problem, it seems, is actually IT policy, given that his company appears to have no IT staff. I'd guess that to mean his company has no official IT policy, either. So yes, he's looking for a personal solution because, clearly, there is nobody else at his company who can provide one. Perhaps he is looking for a solution to deploy within the company at little or no cost, and he's been given a couple options by people who are actually interested in helping, rather than being internet tough guys.
isn't one of the complaints that W10 Updates tend to "helpfully fix" stuff like disabled Telemetry?
I've heard this, but I've never actually seen it. I'm sure someone, somewhere, has had it happen, or thinks they have; it seems plausible that someone might have changed some settings, installed some updates, broken something, then reverted to the first (and potentially only) restore point, the one Windows itself creates at the end of the install process. This would, of course, revert the settings, as the restore point was made before the settings changed. I'm just pulling this out of my ass, of course it's also entirely possible that this is a real issue but, again, I haven't seen it myself.
I don't even use my Macs for nefarious activities (which aren't very nefarious anyway); I use my iPad; because Mobile Safari doesn't keep browser history, per se.
So you admit you perform nefarious acts in teh interbewbz? Got it. ;-P
To each their own, please don't feel like I'm trying to pressure you, but... well... allowing the upgrade to happen is yet another way to stop the nagging. Just sayin'.
It's really not as bad as some people make it out to be. Win 10 brought me back to Windows after nearly 6 years of being Mac-only. Well, that and wanting a faster laptop than Apple offered, but when my choices were Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 I was willing to suffer. To be fair, my rMBP still accounts for 20-40% of my daily computer use, varying based on what I'm doing that day.
but what's wrong with taking the pills for 3 or 4 days while you are waiting to see the specialist?
Assuming they actually work (in my experience they don't; when I threw my back out they gave me a shot of Dilaudid and it didn't do dick for the pain, nor did the Norco or Tramadol they prescribed) and there are no side effects (in my experience there almost always are) or addiction issues (I consider myself lucky that there weren't), there is nothing wrong with that.
Or if you brake your leg, or get a tooth pulled, or any other thing were a normal doctor could easily say "here have some pain pills for a week while you heal" no need to see a specialist if you can clearly see on the x-ray that your leg is broken... at least till the swelling goes down enough.
In these instances it would be possible for the doctor to consult with a specialist for the prescription. Or, as in the case of dentistry (e.g. your pulled tooth example), exceptions can be made to allow prescriptions coincidental to other treatment. A dentist can only prescribe medications in direct relation to dental work, for dental-related purposes, and the dentist must justify the prescription; a pharmacy may ask for documentation proving the prescription necessary. There's no reason the same can't be applied the the entirety of the medical field as it pertains to pain medications, as there are a number of very real dangers associated with the misuse (or even use as directed) of these medications.
I can't disagree with #1, honestly, but you can turn all of that off (and, indeed, it's the first thing I do during setup). The only thing you can't turn off is crash reports, and the developer in me fully understands why. I don't necessarily agree with forced crash reporting, but the fact is that people were even less likely to submit crash reports voluntarily than they were to install updates regularly, which kind of makes it difficult to track down and fix certain bugs. It's something I can deal with; if others can't, I'm also in a position to understand that. That said, my suggestion would be to just keep any illicit activities to your Mac and carry on... ;-)
Regarding #2, I skipped 8 and 8.1 precisely because of the lack of a proper start menu and the fact that the proper desktop was a secondary option, so I fully understand the concern. In Win 10, you can have the tile interface and, on a tablet, it's actually quite a nice interface. But Microsoft actually did the right thing here and brought back the proper desktop and start menu as the default. They did try to stick tiles in the start menus, as well, but you can turn them off. If you really want the Win 7 start menu (as I did), there's Classic Shell, which lets you do that and more. My start button is currently a middle finger thanks to Classic Shell; you could also, for example, drop an Apple logo down there if you were so inclined.
For the record, I would have also suggested Never10 except that many users are reporting that it either stops working and needs to be run again, or simply didn't work for them. Never10 is less intrusive, for sure, so it may be worthwhile to try it first, though I'm not sure if it does anything to stop the telemetry updates.
On a personal note, I took the Win10 upgrade and, in fact, am waiting for parts to arrive for a new Win10 system build. It's not a bad OS, and the telemetry you can't turn off really isn't anything nefarious, it's stack traces and system metrics relating to crashes and system issues MS might have an interest in actually fixing; and it seems that's exactly what they're using the data for. After a rocky start with the OS and a few rounds of patches (seemingly driven by telemetry data), it's turned out to be rock-solid, stable, and actually quite a speedy system. Might I ask what your objection is? I know there are dozens of them floating around, I'm just curious which one you're holding on to; you might tell me something I haven't heard yet.
You didn't ask for help. [...] small business that has servers, but no IT.
He did ask for help and he did not mention servers. These are desktops. You know, the little boxes you often find at desks, with a keyboard, mouse, and monitor attached, often along with a printer or scanner and possibly a webcam, and typically not in a rack with dozens or hundreds of similar systems. If his company had servers of any sort on-site they'd likely have both IT staff to manage them and a WU server on their domain.
The question really was simple, though: how does one, an individual (the bits about being signed in to a domain or it being a work PC are really and truly irrelevant here) running Win 7, prevent the telemetry and Win 10 nag updates from "infecting" their system?
You might be surprised to learn that there are options above and beyond setting up your own WU server and signing into a domain. In that vein, here's an actually useful answer, so that you can know what one looks like in the future:
Try GWX Control Panel, which should not only stop the Win 10 nags, but also allow you to block the telemetry updates without fully disabling Windows Update. Since it doesn't rely on being signed into a domain, it should work for all versions of Win 7, 8, and 8.1, and not just Pro and Enterprise releases. Hope this helps!
Oh, I forgot to mention...
You'd prefer my driving high to me driving with a migraine. Trust me. But, then, I researched and found a strain that gets rid of my migraines without actually getting me high. I'm sure if I overdid it, it eventually would, but it certainly doesn't in the doses I use for medicinal purposes. I need to keep a clear head for my work and this lets me do that.
And yes, I've been high before, I know what it's like. I've also been stoned and I know what that's like. You want to see me stoned? Give me any of the FDA approved migraine drugs. They're all powerful hallucinogens...
That's actually not what addiction is... that's certainly irresponsibility, but it's not addiction. They think they're okay to drive stoned, so they do it, much like someone who might get a bit too drunk on a Friday night and drive home when they shouldn't isn't necessarily an alcoholic. Or much like a Millennial might still try to walk across a busy street with their phone glued to their face isn't addicted, just stupid.
God I love that man...
That has fuck all to do with whether or not MJ is addictive or a gateway drug, which is what was being discussed.
That's not the fault of MJ, that's the fault of the lies told about MJ. Stop lying about MJ and the problem goes away.
Our school zones are 8am-5pm. Fucking obey it and don't be a weasley cunt.
What makes you think I don't? I do. But if there are no children outside (and I have eyes, I can see them if they're there), there are no children in danger if I don't.
Now, if I had actually said I don't obey the law despite disagreeing with it, I wouldn't think you're an asshole.