Not true. HTX has replaced One X units with hardware failures, regardless of bootloader lock status. They won't replace it if it's not booting into its OS and the bootloader is unlocked (like they would were it still locked), but at that point you can just flash a proper OS onto it, so you don't need warranty service anyway.
I almost feel like I should complain to Comcast every time I get a 24mbit speed test on my "up to" 12mbit connection. But, then, of course, they advertise "power-boost", which provides additional bandwidth for the first [insert unknown length of time here] of a connection, so, in reality, they've put themselves in a position where whatever they provide is what they said they'd provide; "up to 12mbps, or more". Fuck the laws that let that slide. Seriously.
And yes, I'm complaining that I get 2x the speed I pay for. Consistently. All day. Every day. On sustained connections (HTTP, not torrents).
Have you ever set up a LAN? No? I'm guessing you've never done anything more complext than that, either. You seem to have a vague understanding of the principles, so I won't say you have no idea what you're talking about, but I will say you don't know enough to berate me, or anyone else, speaking factually about this topic.
The internet is not designed to be oversubscribed, WTF-ever that means. If I buy a 1gbit commit from a backbone provider, I can saturate that line 24x7 without affecting service for any of that provider's other customers. This is because backbone providers don't oversubscribe; you buy based on commit/burst, commit is guaranteed and burst is what you can do when it's available. Let me rephrase, in light of that last bit: backbone providers don't overcommit; burst is, by definition, oversubscription, but you're not paying for burts, you're paying for commit, and that's not oversubscribed.
All I'm asking is that my ISP not sell me something they can't provide. If they want to sell me a 768k commit, burstable to 20mbit, fine, be up front about what you're selling and I'll accept it and not call it oversubscription, provided the network can actually provide the commit speed at all times.
All that typing and you still missed the point. If you want an analog output, it can be provided over a USB connector. If you want data, it can still be provided over a USB connector. If your device wants both, well, then it's capable of handling the data connection and can pull digital audio and/or video through that. I somehow get the feeling you're trying to use my wording "over USB" to your advantage when I clearly was referring to the connector, not the protocol.
I may have been confused about exactly how MHL works, but that's a far cry from not knowing what I'm talking about. The mere fact that everything I talked about does, in fact, exist and work (and you pinned the "proprietary hack" on Motorola, though the iPod Nano predates the Atrix by several years and does the exact same thing, but in reverse) would indicate that I do, in fact, know what I'm talking about. Having designed and implemented similar (albeit much less complex) signal-selection techniques puts "what I'm talking about" squarely into "I do know" category.
There's not another player with Apple's resoueces, save for Google, and Google only coutersues (re: patents). Eventually, yes, there will be another big player and it'll all start over again... Unless, as I posited, Apple isn't wiped out, just forced to play fair; at that point, lacking the convenient distraction Apple's lawsuits provide, the smaller players will be afraid to sue if they don't *actually* have a case. And let's face it, unless Google outpaces Apple, nobody's going to, and we already know: Google only countersues.
You're right. Apple getting wiped out would just mean more of the same. But, you're also wrong, in the context of my post, since that's not what I was positing would happen.
I notice one of them actually works, the other is a piece of plastic with a print of a newspaper stuck to it.
The creator of which one should be rewarded? (think carefully before you answer)
Since it's a matter of trade dress (read: design) I'd say whoever designed it first. That would be the piece of plastic with newspaper stuck to it. Nice attempt at redirection, though.
I think the point was that Google doesn't sue nearly as often as Google gets sued, not that Google gets sued more than anyone else. Oh, and that you're an idiot.
This is only temporary. If Google wins the ban they're seeking, it will resolve itself in a matter of weeks.
You see, the patent shitstorm in the phone and tablet arena is all centered around Apple. When apple sues someone, everyone else jumps in, knowing that the company's legal team will be busy with Apple, giving them a better chance of winning; plus, if the majority of suits are successful, there's a possibility of one less competitor.
Of course, when you're being sued for infringing on someone else's obvious and likely invalid patents, you fire back with counter-suits for the obvious and likely invalid patents of yours that they are likely violating. So, every time Apple files suit against someone, all their other competitors jump in; but then, the party being sued doubles the number of lawsuits by counter-suing everyone.
Of course, had Apple never sued, initially, the smaller competitors wouldn't have had the balls to and, as soon as Apple is done, the smaller competitors will be willing to license, or cross-license, their patents, and all of those suits and counter-suits between everyone else will be done.
I hope Google wins this one. Not because I wish any harm to Apple, but because Apple will be forced to respond by licensing and, where appropriate, cross-licensing their patents where the currently refuse to do so. They'll be forced, at that point, to quit suing everyone, which will close the door to lawsuits from smaller companies who see an opportunity to strike while the enemy is distracted; those companies would then license and cross-license.
In short, everyone will stop suing everyone, in the mobile phone and table arena at least, when Apple stops suing everyone. Of course, if someone ever has a valid claim, I'm sure it will still be raised, but the shitstorm will subside when Apple is forced to quit stirring it up.
Again, analog audio output over USB is *NOT* MHL, nor does it have jack-all to do with HDMI. They could have done this back in 2001; hell, they could have done it in 1994, but they didn't have a device to use it on. It's not a standard, in any way, shape, or form, it's just something that a lot of other manufacturers figured out how to do without breaking the USB standard as it currently exists. Further, this isn't about whether the 30 pin connector was needed back then (though it wasn't), it's about whether the 19 pin connector is needed now and, with the ability to push analot audio and video over USB, or go digital and push them alongside USB data (that's MHL, see the difference yet? do you understand that there *IS* a difference?), the 19 pin connector is certainly not needed now.
Maybe I'm missing something, but we're talking about the cable that's USB on one side and 30pin on the other. Do the pins magically change configuration depending on whether it's plugged in to my computer (to provide USB data) or stereo (to provide analog audio)? I don't think they do. Same cable, works both places, just like my Atrix and One X (the Atrix even make this obvious by the cable having a 3.5mm pigtail coming off the cable that comes with the car dock, which also has no center [data pin] contacts present on its full size USB end). These devices put out analog audio *AND* digital data over the same pins, based solely on what's plugged in to the other end; there's no reason the iPod can't (and evidence suggests that is can and does).
MHL is USB data and an HDMI-compliant *DIGITAL* audio/video stream over a 5-pin connector. This is different from the analog audio over USB I *also* mentioned, which more closely fits the use-case for the 30 pin connector. But go ahead and ignore that if it helps you think you hold a valid position.
It's possible to push analog audio over USB (think iPod Nano). Every Android phone I have ever owned does this; you don't think there's actually a decoder in the car dock they include with the Atrix HD, do you? The dock I bought for my Atrix HD includes a cable with a 3.5mm pigtail for analog out, no electronics in that cable, it's wired to the data pins and plug shield, according to my continuity tester, and you get analog output jsut by plugging it into the phone (with or without the dock). The car dock for my HTC One X doesn't even have a connector of its own,so nowhere to hide electronics there, either; the cable snaps into the dock and the phone slides directly into that. That also provides analog audio over USB.
The point I was trying to make is simple. If you need decoding hardware to do it over USB, you need the same hardware over the dock connector's usb pins; if you don't need decoding hardware, it's because you have analog output, which, well, every Android phone I've ever used can provide over the USB connector. In fact, it's possible to provide analog video over the very same, as well as HDMI audio and video. Admittedly, you can't use these all at once; though if your device is capable of handling all of these at once, it's capable of using the MHL protocol, which provides for USB data, DHMI audio and video, and power, simultaneously, over the 5 pins present in the micro USB connector. At that level of device, analog outputs aren't even wanted. But, of course, they can be (and have been) implemented, and are there if you want them. Over USB. Right now.
Yup, my Motorola Atrix and HTC One X both do this. The One X also uses the same port for MHL, to provide HDMI-compliant audio and video, while the Atrix opted for a micro-HDMI port for that purpose.
Wait, you mean the cable that connects my iPod to my car stereo, the same one that connects it to the charger and my computer, the one with a 30pin on one side and USB on the other, provides analog audio over the USB pins? Explain how a normal USB connector can't do this, since that's what the one of the connectors on the cable, as well as the connector on my stereo just so happen to be. In fact, my Motorola Atrix puts out analog audio when plugged into the car dock (the cable for it functions without the dock, there are no funky electronics involved, just a USB cable with a 3.5mm pigtail connected to the data pins and grounded to the plug shield). On that phone, there's a separate micro-HDMI connector for video, but on my HTC One X, the 5-pin micro usb can handle data, analog audio (as in the case of my Atrix), and HDMI. Using the same voodoo that tell the connector which type of output to provide, it could also be made to handle analog video input and output, as well as analog audio input. Again, no need for anything more than 5 pins unless you want to do all of this at once, in which case your device will have the processing power to handle the USB data, so you just use that; or you use MHL, which is what these phones use for HDMI-over-USB, which includes power and data on top of audio and video, over 5 pins.
This. I have a box of micro USB cables from all the devices I've bought, gotten tired of, and discarded or given away (to others who didn't need that cables, having plenty of their own) over the last 4 years. Never a failed cable or connector, and often times I'll have my phone fall off the table and end up setting my laptop on it at night because i have the lights off and can't see where everything is... in the morning i grab the cable and pull the phone out from under the laptop... on average twice a week. Again, never had a failed connector or cable. Then again, every mini USB device I've used has been plagued with failing connectors (the outer rim loosens up and doesn't hold the cable any longer), with the sole exception of the PS3 Sixaxis controller.
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No, but many devices before the iPad did.
GAH! It's HTC, not HTX... I promise I'll proofread better in the future.
Not true. HTX has replaced One X units with hardware failures, regardless of bootloader lock status. They won't replace it if it's not booting into its OS and the bootloader is unlocked (like they would were it still locked), but at that point you can just flash a proper OS onto it, so you don't need warranty service anyway.
I almost feel like I should complain to Comcast every time I get a 24mbit speed test on my "up to" 12mbit connection. But, then, of course, they advertise "power-boost", which provides additional bandwidth for the first [insert unknown length of time here] of a connection, so, in reality, they've put themselves in a position where whatever they provide is what they said they'd provide; "up to 12mbps, or more". Fuck the laws that let that slide. Seriously.
And yes, I'm complaining that I get 2x the speed I pay for. Consistently. All day. Every day. On sustained connections (HTTP, not torrents).
Have you ever set up a LAN? No? I'm guessing you've never done anything more complext than that, either. You seem to have a vague understanding of the principles, so I won't say you have no idea what you're talking about, but I will say you don't know enough to berate me, or anyone else, speaking factually about this topic.
The internet is not designed to be oversubscribed, WTF-ever that means. If I buy a 1gbit commit from a backbone provider, I can saturate that line 24x7 without affecting service for any of that provider's other customers. This is because backbone providers don't oversubscribe; you buy based on commit/burst, commit is guaranteed and burst is what you can do when it's available. Let me rephrase, in light of that last bit: backbone providers don't overcommit; burst is, by definition, oversubscription, but you're not paying for burts, you're paying for commit, and that's not oversubscribed.
All I'm asking is that my ISP not sell me something they can't provide. If they want to sell me a 768k commit, burstable to 20mbit, fine, be up front about what you're selling and I'll accept it and not call it oversubscription, provided the network can actually provide the commit speed at all times.
I think that may have been my point.
All that typing and you still missed the point. If you want an analog output, it can be provided over a USB connector. If you want data, it can still be provided over a USB connector. If your device wants both, well, then it's capable of handling the data connection and can pull digital audio and/or video through that. I somehow get the feeling you're trying to use my wording "over USB" to your advantage when I clearly was referring to the connector, not the protocol.
I may have been confused about exactly how MHL works, but that's a far cry from not knowing what I'm talking about. The mere fact that everything I talked about does, in fact, exist and work (and you pinned the "proprietary hack" on Motorola, though the iPod Nano predates the Atrix by several years and does the exact same thing, but in reverse) would indicate that I do, in fact, know what I'm talking about. Having designed and implemented similar (albeit much less complex) signal-selection techniques puts "what I'm talking about" squarely into "I do know" category.
Thanks for playing.
The above post is not flamebait, it's pure truth.
There's not another player with Apple's resoueces, save for Google, and Google only coutersues (re: patents). Eventually, yes, there will be another big player and it'll all start over again... Unless, as I posited, Apple isn't wiped out, just forced to play fair; at that point, lacking the convenient distraction Apple's lawsuits provide, the smaller players will be afraid to sue if they don't *actually* have a case. And let's face it, unless Google outpaces Apple, nobody's going to, and we already know: Google only countersues.
You're right. Apple getting wiped out would just mean more of the same. But, you're also wrong, in the context of my post, since that's not what I was positing would happen.
If its purpose is to demonstrate a design concept and it demonstrates that design concept, it's working.
I notice one of them actually works, the other is a piece of plastic with a print of a newspaper stuck to it.
The creator of which one should be rewarded? (think carefully before you answer)
Since it's a matter of trade dress (read: design) I'd say whoever designed it first. That would be the piece of plastic with newspaper stuck to it. Nice attempt at redirection, though.
The court system.
He also excluded himself from board meetings as soon as the iPhone was mentioned.
I think the point was that Google doesn't sue nearly as often as Google gets sued, not that Google gets sued more than anyone else. Oh, and that you're an idiot.
This is only temporary. If Google wins the ban they're seeking, it will resolve itself in a matter of weeks.
You see, the patent shitstorm in the phone and tablet arena is all centered around Apple. When apple sues someone, everyone else jumps in, knowing that the company's legal team will be busy with Apple, giving them a better chance of winning; plus, if the majority of suits are successful, there's a possibility of one less competitor.
Of course, when you're being sued for infringing on someone else's obvious and likely invalid patents, you fire back with counter-suits for the obvious and likely invalid patents of yours that they are likely violating. So, every time Apple files suit against someone, all their other competitors jump in; but then, the party being sued doubles the number of lawsuits by counter-suing everyone.
Of course, had Apple never sued, initially, the smaller competitors wouldn't have had the balls to and, as soon as Apple is done, the smaller competitors will be willing to license, or cross-license, their patents, and all of those suits and counter-suits between everyone else will be done.
I hope Google wins this one. Not because I wish any harm to Apple, but because Apple will be forced to respond by licensing and, where appropriate, cross-licensing their patents where the currently refuse to do so. They'll be forced, at that point, to quit suing everyone, which will close the door to lawsuits from smaller companies who see an opportunity to strike while the enemy is distracted; those companies would then license and cross-license.
In short, everyone will stop suing everyone, in the mobile phone and table arena at least, when Apple stops suing everyone. Of course, if someone ever has a valid claim, I'm sure it will still be raised, but the shitstorm will subside when Apple is forced to quit stirring it up.
As long as, when connected to another USB device, it's speaking USB, the spec is not being violated. I think you might want to read up a bit.
Again, analog audio output over USB is *NOT* MHL, nor does it have jack-all to do with HDMI. They could have done this back in 2001; hell, they could have done it in 1994, but they didn't have a device to use it on. It's not a standard, in any way, shape, or form, it's just something that a lot of other manufacturers figured out how to do without breaking the USB standard as it currently exists. Further, this isn't about whether the 30 pin connector was needed back then (though it wasn't), it's about whether the 19 pin connector is needed now and, with the ability to push analot audio and video over USB, or go digital and push them alongside USB data (that's MHL, see the difference yet? do you understand that there *IS* a difference?), the 19 pin connector is certainly not needed now.
Maybe I'm missing something, but we're talking about the cable that's USB on one side and 30pin on the other. Do the pins magically change configuration depending on whether it's plugged in to my computer (to provide USB data) or stereo (to provide analog audio)? I don't think they do. Same cable, works both places, just like my Atrix and One X (the Atrix even make this obvious by the cable having a 3.5mm pigtail coming off the cable that comes with the car dock, which also has no center [data pin] contacts present on its full size USB end). These devices put out analog audio *AND* digital data over the same pins, based solely on what's plugged in to the other end; there's no reason the iPod can't (and evidence suggests that is can and does).
MHL is USB data and an HDMI-compliant *DIGITAL* audio/video stream over a 5-pin connector. This is different from the analog audio over USB I *also* mentioned, which more closely fits the use-case for the 30 pin connector. But go ahead and ignore that if it helps you think you hold a valid position.
It's possible to push analog audio over USB (think iPod Nano). Every Android phone I have ever owned does this; you don't think there's actually a decoder in the car dock they include with the Atrix HD, do you? The dock I bought for my Atrix HD includes a cable with a 3.5mm pigtail for analog out, no electronics in that cable, it's wired to the data pins and plug shield, according to my continuity tester, and you get analog output jsut by plugging it into the phone (with or without the dock). The car dock for my HTC One X doesn't even have a connector of its own ,so nowhere to hide electronics there, either; the cable snaps into the dock and the phone slides directly into that. That also provides analog audio over USB.
The point I was trying to make is simple. If you need decoding hardware to do it over USB, you need the same hardware over the dock connector's usb pins; if you don't need decoding hardware, it's because you have analog output, which, well, every Android phone I've ever used can provide over the USB connector. In fact, it's possible to provide analog video over the very same, as well as HDMI audio and video. Admittedly, you can't use these all at once; though if your device is capable of handling all of these at once, it's capable of using the MHL protocol, which provides for USB data, DHMI audio and video, and power, simultaneously, over the 5 pins present in the micro USB connector. At that level of device, analog outputs aren't even wanted. But, of course, they can be (and have been) implemented, and are there if you want them. Over USB. Right now.
Yup, my Motorola Atrix and HTC One X both do this. The One X also uses the same port for MHL, to provide HDMI-compliant audio and video, while the Atrix opted for a micro-HDMI port for that purpose.
No, they really don't.
Wait, you mean the cable that connects my iPod to my car stereo, the same one that connects it to the charger and my computer, the one with a 30pin on one side and USB on the other, provides analog audio over the USB pins? Explain how a normal USB connector can't do this, since that's what the one of the connectors on the cable, as well as the connector on my stereo just so happen to be. In fact, my Motorola Atrix puts out analog audio when plugged into the car dock (the cable for it functions without the dock, there are no funky electronics involved, just a USB cable with a 3.5mm pigtail connected to the data pins and grounded to the plug shield). On that phone, there's a separate micro-HDMI connector for video, but on my HTC One X, the 5-pin micro usb can handle data, analog audio (as in the case of my Atrix), and HDMI. Using the same voodoo that tell the connector which type of output to provide, it could also be made to handle analog video input and output, as well as analog audio input. Again, no need for anything more than 5 pins unless you want to do all of this at once, in which case your device will have the processing power to handle the USB data, so you just use that; or you use MHL, which is what these phones use for HDMI-over-USB, which includes power and data on top of audio and video, over 5 pins.
This. I have a box of micro USB cables from all the devices I've bought, gotten tired of, and discarded or given away (to others who didn't need that cables, having plenty of their own) over the last 4 years. Never a failed cable or connector, and often times I'll have my phone fall off the table and end up setting my laptop on it at night because i have the lights off and can't see where everything is... in the morning i grab the cable and pull the phone out from under the laptop... on average twice a week. Again, never had a failed connector or cable. Then again, every mini USB device I've used has been plagued with failing connectors (the outer rim loosens up and doesn't hold the cable any longer), with the sole exception of the PS3 Sixaxis controller.
You not only need to license Apple's proprietary connector, you also need hardware to decode video and audio.