Yes, and to make it not completely obvious, we should expand it as Open Source Junk Distribution Blessing or some other such (I didn't want to stare at thesaurus.com's ugly-ass site for any longer than it took to find something that just barely worked for the B).
You make a good point, but you're missing a better one. The only way Pixar would ever be required to release *ALL* of their source code, as a result of licensing this module under GPL, is if they were to distribute *ALL* of their binaries, as well. Since they aren't doing this, and they aren't going to do this, they don't have to release source for anything. Now, if GP were in any way correct, they would have to release source for any binaries they distribute that make use of this library, were it released under GPL. But, then, GP couldn't be much further off base, so it's a moot point.
Then as long as my torrenting doesn't increase your speeds above the "up to" number you're buying from your ISP, you can STFU, you're getting what you're paying for. If my torrenting ever causes your speeds to exceed your purchased "up to" rate, then you can complain about it.
And how is the HP vs Oracle situation anything like Apple vs Samsung? Samsung could easily stand up in court and declare that, in using their own parts, Samsung's devices will certainly share similarities with Apple's devices, which also use Samsung's parts and suggest, as a way to remediate, that Apple no longer use Samsung parts in its products. If the judge agrees, a court-ordered termination of Apple's parts contracts with Samsung would become effective. There is a very real possibility of this happening and if you can't see that, and you can't see how this situation differs from HP vs Oracle, I sure as hell hope you're not a lawyer.
A court order can terminate a contract. They're already getting sued, it would be trivial for them to ask for a court order to terminate their contracts with Apple in light of this. Are you being deliberately ignorant, or just trolling?
"That's not porn and I'm not jerking off; it's the SteamOffice tutorial and I'm working on my document navigation technique!" Would *your* boss buy it?
So you're comparing a situation where the infringer gets away with it because they can devastate the infringed by ending a business relationship, to a situation where..... the infringer gets sued because the infringed can't otherwise devastate them? Not to step on your point (which I'll do in the next paragraph), but wouldn't it have been more appropriate to say "Samsung, on the other hand, can not hurt Apple in the same way."? At least, then, it's still comparing the ability of the infringer to hurt the infringed.
And you're still wrong. Samsung supplies the screens used in the iPhone and iPad, as well as the Retina MacBook Pro, and possibly the iPod Touch (I'm not positive on that last one); they also supply CPUs for use in the iPhone and iPad, also possibly the iPod Touch (again, not sure on that last one). They certainly could harm Apple by not renewing those contracts, or by filing a motion to suspend or terminate those contracts, in the course of this trial. Likewise, Apple could equally hurt Samsung by filing frivolous lawsuits, costing them tens of millions in legal fees to defend themselves, billions in lost sales due to injunctions in place during the trial, and potentially billions in falsely claimed damages, should they win.
They may have known, they may not have known, and we may never know. Most *Apple employees* who were working on the first iPhone had no clue what they were working on, what makes you think Apple handed preliminary designs over to Samsung? I'm inclined to believe that, even if Samsung did know Apple was making a phone, they never had a clue what it was going to look like.
-1, Troll? No, try +1, Truth. I'm a developer, this is something that would be trivial for me to actually do, but I enjoy developing my work, so I release new stuff once in a while.
What you were disagreeing with was the intent of my post. That's not something that's up for debate and it takes a huge ego to think you can debate it. Further, my point wasn't "Linux has been around for 15 years now, it's time for it to become a gaming platform" as you seem to insist or imply, but you're not going to admit that you may have misinterpreted, so I'm not going to bother expecting that outcome. Pity, reading through your comment history, you and I seem to be on the same page with regard to pretty much everything but this (this being whether or not my intentions when posting a comment are up for debate).
Yes, ok, version 1 gets out the door that much faster. Great.
Version 2? Well, since the speed coding champ banged out code that did one thing, one specific way, under a specific set of conditions, it's gonna take a ibt longer.
Had the project been properly engineered, version 2, 3, and 4 could all be released much more quickly than the speed coder initially banged out version 1. You could be working on version 5 by the time your speed coder wraps up version 2.
Have you ever bought a new laptop and installed vanilla Windows on it? It's no different; the only reason it works out of the box is because the manufacturer installed all of the drivers for you. Linux could have the same experience as an OEM install (and it did with netbooks), but manufacturers are afraid of losing their cushy Microsoft deals.
Regarding upgrades; since XP, Windows hasn't had a command line to fall back to, so if an upgrade botched the system, you had to pray the useless recovery tools provided would work (if you know how to access them and have your original Windows CD). Before that, a botched upgrade would drop you back to the commandline just like your Ubuntu install is doing. In the case of Windows, your PC may have shipped with a recovery CD but, most likely, shipped with a partition from which you can boot for recovery (or make such a CD). That's possible in most Linux distros, as well, but you have to set it up initially; any good OEM would do this and Windows and Linux would be no different, in this regard, as OEM installs. What do you do when your Windows PC won't boot? You try the recovery functions provided, if you know about them, or you take it in for repair; how is Linux any different?
Eh... My mother and my idiot ex, two of the most non-technical people I know, both installed and maintained Ubuntu systems, with nothing more than me burning them the CD and sitting there in case they got stuck (neither of them did). When she was using Linux, my mom asked me far fewer "how do I" type questions and encountered far fewer problems with her computer, but she switched back to Windows for gaming. My ex still maintains her Linux system, with no help from me, going on 7 years now.
My grandfather didn't get to install it himself, since I gave him a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled. The property management firm he works for switched to QuickBooks (from a paper-and-fax system), so he needed Windows on that computer, so I set it up to dual-boot. He spends a total of an hour a week, when he's recording rent payments and sending the totals back to the office, in Windows. Beyond that, he's a Linux user. This is a man who's never used a computer in over 70 years of life, and I'm half way across the country now and can't help him with jack. He's the most frank and honest person I've ever met, if he says he likes it, he likes it; he's just keep booting to Windows and let me know if he didn't.
If 3 of the least technical people I have ever met can use Linux, how is it not ready?
Wait, I'm confused, did you own an ISP from 1993 to 1995, or from 1994 to 1996? It seems to change from one thread to the next. Are you sure you're not bullshitting?
The post to which I was replying stated that Windows was in widespread use as a gaming platform within a decade and a half (15 years) of it's release (1986), so by 2001. It actually happened before this, but what I was trying to do was illustrate that Linux is set to acheive this in the same timeframe. You can think my intentions are different than they actually are, but it is literally impossible to disagree with my regarding my own intentions, only I know those and I am telling you, as a 12 year Linux user, that I am certainly supportive of the platform and was posting in its defense. If you think that requires your agreement, your ego is too inflated for me to continue this line of conversation.
You do realize I was posting in support of Linux, right? Yes, I'm aware of RedHat; are you aware that RedHat was a server distro for several years before it became what most would consider an enterprise distro? an enterprise distro is a sort of hybrid between a server and desktop distro. It was Linus' personal toy until desktop distros became well known and useable; yes, it was used as a server OS by many during that timeframe, but for anyone not running a server, it wasn't very useful.
Any problem I've had on Linux in the last 12 years has been solved by asking the community for help, either directly or by searching (descriptively) for my problem and finding solutions provided to (or found by) others who had the same problem. I typically find solutions within a few minutes of searching, sometimes it takes a couple hours, rarely has it taken days.
And how long as Linux been around? It's turning 21 this year, if you consider the very first release. Consider that Windows has been around 6 years longer than Linux. Then, consider that Linux was essentially Linus Torvalds' personal toy until they late 90's, say 1997, and count from there. A decade and a half later, here we are; what might happen?
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Yes, and to make it not completely obvious, we should expand it as Open Source Junk Distribution Blessing or some other such (I didn't want to stare at thesaurus.com's ugly-ass site for any longer than it took to find something that just barely worked for the B).
You make a good point, but you're missing a better one. The only way Pixar would ever be required to release *ALL* of their source code, as a result of licensing this module under GPL, is if they were to distribute *ALL* of their binaries, as well. Since they aren't doing this, and they aren't going to do this, they don't have to release source for anything. Now, if GP were in any way correct, they would have to release source for any binaries they distribute that make use of this library, were it released under GPL. But, then, GP couldn't be much further off base, so it's a moot point.
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Then as long as my torrenting doesn't increase your speeds above the "up to" number you're buying from your ISP, you can STFU, you're getting what you're paying for. If my torrenting ever causes your speeds to exceed your purchased "up to" rate, then you can complain about it.
Wait, what? Why are you defending that practice?
And how is the HP vs Oracle situation anything like Apple vs Samsung? Samsung could easily stand up in court and declare that, in using their own parts, Samsung's devices will certainly share similarities with Apple's devices, which also use Samsung's parts and suggest, as a way to remediate, that Apple no longer use Samsung parts in its products. If the judge agrees, a court-ordered termination of Apple's parts contracts with Samsung would become effective. There is a very real possibility of this happening and if you can't see that, and you can't see how this situation differs from HP vs Oracle, I sure as hell hope you're not a lawyer.
A court order can terminate a contract. They're already getting sued, it would be trivial for them to ask for a court order to terminate their contracts with Apple in light of this. Are you being deliberately ignorant, or just trolling?
"That's not porn and I'm not jerking off; it's the SteamOffice tutorial and I'm working on my document navigation technique!" Would *your* boss buy it?
So you're comparing a situation where the infringer gets away with it because they can devastate the infringed by ending a business relationship, to a situation where..... the infringer gets sued because the infringed can't otherwise devastate them? Not to step on your point (which I'll do in the next paragraph), but wouldn't it have been more appropriate to say "Samsung, on the other hand, can not hurt Apple in the same way."? At least, then, it's still comparing the ability of the infringer to hurt the infringed.
And you're still wrong. Samsung supplies the screens used in the iPhone and iPad, as well as the Retina MacBook Pro, and possibly the iPod Touch (I'm not positive on that last one); they also supply CPUs for use in the iPhone and iPad, also possibly the iPod Touch (again, not sure on that last one). They certainly could harm Apple by not renewing those contracts, or by filing a motion to suspend or terminate those contracts, in the course of this trial. Likewise, Apple could equally hurt Samsung by filing frivolous lawsuits, costing them tens of millions in legal fees to defend themselves, billions in lost sales due to injunctions in place during the trial, and potentially billions in falsely claimed damages, should they win.
Just sayin'...
They may have known, they may not have known, and we may never know. Most *Apple employees* who were working on the first iPhone had no clue what they were working on, what makes you think Apple handed preliminary designs over to Samsung? I'm inclined to believe that, even if Samsung did know Apple was making a phone, they never had a clue what it was going to look like.
-1, Troll? No, try +1, Truth. I'm a developer, this is something that would be trivial for me to actually do, but I enjoy developing my work, so I release new stuff once in a while.
What you were disagreeing with was the intent of my post. That's not something that's up for debate and it takes a huge ego to think you can debate it. Further, my point wasn't "Linux has been around for 15 years now, it's time for it to become a gaming platform" as you seem to insist or imply, but you're not going to admit that you may have misinterpreted, so I'm not going to bother expecting that outcome. Pity, reading through your comment history, you and I seem to be on the same page with regard to pretty much everything but this (this being whether or not my intentions when posting a comment are up for debate).
Yes, ok, version 1 gets out the door that much faster. Great.
Version 2? Well, since the speed coding champ banged out code that did one thing, one specific way, under a specific set of conditions, it's gonna take a ibt longer.
Had the project been properly engineered, version 2, 3, and 4 could all be released much more quickly than the speed coder initially banged out version 1. You could be working on version 5 by the time your speed coder wraps up version 2.
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any the most "just fucking google it" responses I've seen in equally long... WTF?
Come up with an idea once, get paid for 72 years after you die. I love this country.
Have you ever bought a new laptop and installed vanilla Windows on it? It's no different; the only reason it works out of the box is because the manufacturer installed all of the drivers for you. Linux could have the same experience as an OEM install (and it did with netbooks), but manufacturers are afraid of losing their cushy Microsoft deals.
Regarding upgrades; since XP, Windows hasn't had a command line to fall back to, so if an upgrade botched the system, you had to pray the useless recovery tools provided would work (if you know how to access them and have your original Windows CD). Before that, a botched upgrade would drop you back to the commandline just like your Ubuntu install is doing. In the case of Windows, your PC may have shipped with a recovery CD but, most likely, shipped with a partition from which you can boot for recovery (or make such a CD). That's possible in most Linux distros, as well, but you have to set it up initially; any good OEM would do this and Windows and Linux would be no different, in this regard, as OEM installs. What do you do when your Windows PC won't boot? You try the recovery functions provided, if you know about them, or you take it in for repair; how is Linux any different?
Eh... My mother and my idiot ex, two of the most non-technical people I know, both installed and maintained Ubuntu systems, with nothing more than me burning them the CD and sitting there in case they got stuck (neither of them did). When she was using Linux, my mom asked me far fewer "how do I" type questions and encountered far fewer problems with her computer, but she switched back to Windows for gaming. My ex still maintains her Linux system, with no help from me, going on 7 years now.
My grandfather didn't get to install it himself, since I gave him a computer with Ubuntu preinstalled. The property management firm he works for switched to QuickBooks (from a paper-and-fax system), so he needed Windows on that computer, so I set it up to dual-boot. He spends a total of an hour a week, when he's recording rent payments and sending the totals back to the office, in Windows. Beyond that, he's a Linux user. This is a man who's never used a computer in over 70 years of life, and I'm half way across the country now and can't help him with jack. He's the most frank and honest person I've ever met, if he says he likes it, he likes it; he's just keep booting to Windows and let me know if he didn't.
If 3 of the least technical people I have ever met can use Linux, how is it not ready?
Wait, I'm confused, did you own an ISP from 1993 to 1995, or from 1994 to 1996? It seems to change from one thread to the next. Are you sure you're not bullshitting?
The post to which I was replying stated that Windows was in widespread use as a gaming platform within a decade and a half (15 years) of it's release (1986), so by 2001. It actually happened before this, but what I was trying to do was illustrate that Linux is set to acheive this in the same timeframe. You can think my intentions are different than they actually are, but it is literally impossible to disagree with my regarding my own intentions, only I know those and I am telling you, as a 12 year Linux user, that I am certainly supportive of the platform and was posting in its defense. If you think that requires your agreement, your ego is too inflated for me to continue this line of conversation.
And, no, RedHat did not come out in 1993.
You do realize I was posting in support of Linux, right? Yes, I'm aware of RedHat; are you aware that RedHat was a server distro for several years before it became what most would consider an enterprise distro? an enterprise distro is a sort of hybrid between a server and desktop distro. It was Linus' personal toy until desktop distros became well known and useable; yes, it was used as a server OS by many during that timeframe, but for anyone not running a server, it wasn't very useful.
Any problem I've had on Linux in the last 12 years has been solved by asking the community for help, either directly or by searching (descriptively) for my problem and finding solutions provided to (or found by) others who had the same problem. I typically find solutions within a few minutes of searching, sometimes it takes a couple hours, rarely has it taken days.
And how long as Linux been around? It's turning 21 this year, if you consider the very first release. Consider that Windows has been around 6 years longer than Linux. Then, consider that Linux was essentially Linus Torvalds' personal toy until they late 90's, say 1997, and count from there. A decade and a half later, here we are; what might happen?