Do you also classify stealing a $5000 racing bicycle "no big deal" because after all, it's just a bike
No, but I would have no objection to your making a copy of my $5000 racing bike, even if it cost you nothing to make that copy. If you take my bike I no longer have a bike, but why should I object to you copying it?
Wrong. Addiction is a physical dependency. If you have physical withdrawal symptoms, it's an addictive drug. Caffiene's withdrawal symptom is headaches. LSD is neither addictive nor does it have habituation (in tobacco, the habituation is almost as bad as the physical withdrawal).
Islamic teachings are not the problem. Doctrine set by self-serving radical fundamentalists is the problem
That's always been the problem with all religions -- the people running them. Jesus complained about that, and was executed in the most painful way possible for his "blasphemy". He was a drinker, yet some Christian sects ban alcohol (Southern Baptists and Mormons for two examples).
Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. A certain Florida preacher comes to mind... as well as some who promote violence against certain doctors.
Bullshit. There are MENSA members driving cabs. How intelligent does a movie actor have to be? A baseball player?
The people most highly rewarded, the CEOs, are being rewarded for sociopathy, not intelligence. Speaking of which, do you think Steve Ballmer or Carly Fiona are any more intelligent than the average joe?
You are mistaking intelligence with knowledge. There's a reason mentally handicapped kids are called "learning-disabled" and it isn't political correctness. You really expect Forest Gump to be able to understand subatomic particle physics, even with the world's best tutors?
Yes, they're full of crapware which is why I never buy desktops with an OS (kind of hard to build your own notebook, all you can do is wipe the drive and install an alternate OS). But I'm referring to a piece of malware -- software specifically designed to ruin your computer.
I got rooted by XCP on a home-built box with a paid for shrink-wrapped copy of W98 when my daughter, never dreaming that a reputable company like Sony (they had yet to become disreputable) would deliberately cripple their paying customers' computers. She worked at a music store and bought a Sony title there. Who would be evil enough to do a stupid thing like vandalising customers' computers? Apparently, only one company.
You guys haven't considered that determination and habits of individual learners and the ability to TEACH ONESELF HOW TO LEARN, the ability to delay gratification (saving rather than spending), passion, and a few other things may have genetic components?
Do you really expect Joe six-pack to setup a virtual machine to run his browser in?
Just because joe sixpack can't use a virtual machine is no excuse to not include it. But what's really wrong is not including networking. I bought my daughter a notebook just like mine. Both have Win 7 starter*, and it's afaik impossible to connect the two machines. But I have no problem whatever networking my notebook to the Linux box. I'll just install Linux, screw MS.
And who doesn't have more than one network-capable device these days? It isn't 1995 any more.
* Do they really think I'm going to shell out the price of the whole damned computer for a fully functional OS? They're insane. The only rea
Well, to the DEA, any illegal drug is a narcotic (despite the fact that "narcotic" means opiate or synthetic opiate). Just like to the MAFIAA, copyright infringement is theft.
Sure is telling when someone has to lie to advance their agenda, isn't it?
Yes, but every blessing has a price. The price for intelligence is annoyance at those with less intelligence. And if those dumb jocks had any brains they wouldn't be bullying anyone. Only an idiot bullies people.
But I have to tell you, I don't think I'm as smart as I was thirty years ago, but I'm in a little better shape physically.
OK, I'll bite. What does it offer that Linux doesn't? What does it offer that Win 7 doesn't?
Can I install security updates without rebooting like I can with Linux? If I reboot, will it come up with everything I had open be open like it was when I shut it down like Linus does? Will it play streamed videos on a ten year old computer with 750 megs of memory like kubuntu 11.10 will? Can I use a bluetooth dongle without installing software and drives like Linux can and Win 7 can't? Is networking brain-dead simple like Linux has been for years, or is it the same pain in the ass networking has previously been in Windows?
Does it follow established standards like Linux does, or does it still use its own proprietary "standards" like it always has?
How big is the learning curve from Win 7 to Metro?
Why should I buy this product? Your ad doesn't sway me, Mr. Ballmer.
It's not witholding money as punishment for past misdeeds, it's a matter of "once bitten, twice shy." I see no indication that they've become any less anti-customer or any less evil.
I just don't trust them, and don't understand how anyone else could. OtherOS was what, last year? And you trust them?
Ah, when you call it "violation", what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Clear, unambiguous communication. You might want to see a dictionary if you're not clear what "violation" means. When you steal, you are violating the laws against theft. When you infringe copyright, you are violating laws against copyright.
Pirate A buys a DVD, makes a copy, and gives the copy to pirate B. Pirate B didn't steal anything, it was given to him by pirate A, who also didn't steal anything -- he paid for his copy.
It isn't theft, to call it "theft" is simply a lie.
The introduction of the first few nuclear subs and ICBMs didn't eliminate the need for (or use of) B-52s. The Strategic Air Command continued to keep nuclear-armed B-52s in the air around-the-clock, despite the tremendous expense.
So, we're going to split hairs over what is construed as "theft" while using terms like "pirate"?
The pirates seem to have no problem with that label. But there is a distinction with a large difference between copyright infringement and theft. To use "theft" when nothing has been stolen is disingenuous -- in short, a LIE. If you have to resort to lies and inflammatory statements to make your case, you don't have a case to make, period.
Theft is the term is use because that is how the *AA sees it.
So you're going to follow the liars' lead?
I'm sure that the "someone else paid for it" defense works really well against Microsoft when pirating (sorry, I meant sharing) 150 copies of Microsoft Office around the company after buying just one.
I don't think I would defend a money-making outfit for that, but I would certainly defend the home user buying one copy of Windows and installing it on all five computers he built. After all, my CDs aren't all tied to a single CD player. Either way, it's just ones and zeros.
There is at least one instance of "piracy" costing MS money. They lost Ernie Ball as a customer because of accusations of piracy. "I don't care if we have to buy a thousand abacuses, I refuse to do business with someone who treats me badly."
It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than a iMovie and YouTube to keep people from wanting to pay for the next cyber-apocolypse-zombie-vampire movie....split into 7 highly-profitable parts.
Indeed. People will always pay for stuff thay want and can afford. But the world is changing. RIAA record labels are obsolete, and it probably won't be long (the technology isn't quite there yet) before the MPAA suffers the same fate.
What bugs me is the constant "system updates" that take forever right when you started up the machine to do something, and can't be skipped or delayed.
I have the same problem with Microsoft, although they're not QUITE that bad. MS simply nags rather than insisting. And I wouldn't mind having the updates going on in the background, but the reboot gets me THAT much closer to getting off my lazy ass and installing kubuntu. When I had five tabs open in Firefox I DON'T want to look up the wikipedia articles again. MS should learn that tools are supposed to make work easier, not harder.
I had kubuntu on the notebook I had that got stolen, same model as the new one, and it ran like a champ. Ran even better than its native OS. No reboots necessary for upgrades, and if you want to shut it down, it comes back up with all apps and docs open just like they were when you powered off.
Stupid shit? You call having a computer completely trashed ON PURPOSE by someone you formerly trusted "stupid shit"? I don't, I call it vandalism. If I did that to one of their computers I'd be in prison.
Yes, sad, isn't it? The quality started to go down around the turn of the century. I bought one of their boom boxes (ironically with two tapes and a CD player so you could make copies) around 1990 and it was very good. Bought a 42 inch trinitron (214 lbs, its best feature is it's hard to steal) and one of the video inputs was noisy, probably a bad solder joint on one of the grounds. Paid $1000 for in 2002.
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Do you also classify stealing a $5000 racing bicycle "no big deal" because after all, it's just a bike
No, but I would have no objection to your making a copy of my $5000 racing bike, even if it cost you nothing to make that copy. If you take my bike I no longer have a bike, but why should I object to you copying it?
How about adding atheists in there, too? Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro...
Remember that the next time you get a bacterial infection, and refuse the antibiotics. JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!
Wrong. Addiction is a physical dependency. If you have physical withdrawal symptoms, it's an addictive drug. Caffiene's withdrawal symptom is headaches. LSD is neither addictive nor does it have habituation (in tobacco, the habituation is almost as bad as the physical withdrawal).
Islamic teachings are not the problem. Doctrine set by self-serving radical fundamentalists is the problem
That's always been the problem with all religions -- the people running them. Jesus complained about that, and was executed in the most painful way possible for his "blasphemy". He was a drinker, yet some Christian sects ban alcohol (Southern Baptists and Mormons for two examples).
Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. A certain Florida preacher comes to mind... as well as some who promote violence against certain doctors.
we reward the intelligent
Bullshit. There are MENSA members driving cabs. How intelligent does a movie actor have to be? A baseball player?
The people most highly rewarded, the CEOs, are being rewarded for sociopathy, not intelligence. Speaking of which, do you think Steve Ballmer or Carly Fiona are any more intelligent than the average joe?
Basically, you're remembering a golden era that never existed
The young are prone to doing that. We who have been around a while know how bad the past sucked; we were there.
You are mistaking intelligence with knowledge. There's a reason mentally handicapped kids are called "learning-disabled" and it isn't political correctness. You really expect Forest Gump to be able to understand subatomic particle physics, even with the world's best tutors?
Yes, they're full of crapware which is why I never buy desktops with an OS (kind of hard to build your own notebook, all you can do is wipe the drive and install an alternate OS). But I'm referring to a piece of malware -- software specifically designed to ruin your computer.
I got rooted by XCP on a home-built box with a paid for shrink-wrapped copy of W98 when my daughter, never dreaming that a reputable company like Sony (they had yet to become disreputable) would deliberately cripple their paying customers' computers. She worked at a music store and bought a Sony title there. Who would be evil enough to do a stupid thing like vandalising customers' computers? Apparently, only one company.
You guys haven't considered that determination and habits of individual learners and the ability to TEACH ONESELF HOW TO LEARN, the ability to delay gratification (saving rather than spending), passion, and a few other things may have genetic components?
Do you really expect Joe six-pack to setup a virtual machine to run his browser in?
Just because joe sixpack can't use a virtual machine is no excuse to not include it. But what's really wrong is not including networking. I bought my daughter a notebook just like mine. Both have Win 7 starter*, and it's afaik impossible to connect the two machines. But I have no problem whatever networking my notebook to the Linux box. I'll just install Linux, screw MS.
And who doesn't have more than one network-capable device these days? It isn't 1995 any more.
* Do they really think I'm going to shell out the price of the whole damned computer for a fully functional OS? They're insane. The only rea
Well, to the DEA, any illegal drug is a narcotic (despite the fact that "narcotic" means opiate or synthetic opiate). Just like to the MAFIAA, copyright infringement is theft.
Sure is telling when someone has to lie to advance their agenda, isn't it?
Which is the problem here: why are we hearing about this from NASA?
Because NASA is going to use them to send supplies to the ISS, and probably a few other things as well.
Yes, but every blessing has a price. The price for intelligence is annoyance at those with less intelligence. And if those dumb jocks had any brains they wouldn't be bullying anyone. Only an idiot bullies people.
But I have to tell you, I don't think I'm as smart as I was thirty years ago, but I'm in a little better shape physically.
OK, I'll bite. What does it offer that Linux doesn't? What does it offer that Win 7 doesn't?
Can I install security updates without rebooting like I can with Linux? If I reboot, will it come up with everything I had open be open like it was when I shut it down like Linus does? Will it play streamed videos on a ten year old computer with 750 megs of memory like kubuntu 11.10 will? Can I use a bluetooth dongle without installing software and drives like Linux can and Win 7 can't? Is networking brain-dead simple like Linux has been for years, or is it the same pain in the ass networking has previously been in Windows?
Does it follow established standards like Linux does, or does it still use its own proprietary "standards" like it always has?
How big is the learning curve from Win 7 to Metro?
Why should I buy this product? Your ad doesn't sway me, Mr. Ballmer.
I got a chuckle out of that, thank you. I never did like Gnome (I prefer KDE).
Hell, I have hundreds of them in the basement, both 3.5 and 5 inch versions. I may still have an old eight incher somewhere.
It's not witholding money as punishment for past misdeeds, it's a matter of "once bitten, twice shy." I see no indication that they've become any less anti-customer or any less evil.
I just don't trust them, and don't understand how anyone else could. OtherOS was what, last year? And you trust them?
Ah, when you call it "violation", what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Clear, unambiguous communication. You might want to see a dictionary if you're not clear what "violation" means. When you steal, you are violating the laws against theft. When you infringe copyright, you are violating laws against copyright.
Pirate A buys a DVD, makes a copy, and gives the copy to pirate B. Pirate B didn't steal anything, it was given to him by pirate A, who also didn't steal anything -- he paid for his copy.
It isn't theft, to call it "theft" is simply a lie.
My memory of vising an ICBM in the Cub Scouts.
The introduction of the first few nuclear subs and ICBMs didn't eliminate the need for (or use of) B-52s. The Strategic Air Command continued to keep nuclear-armed B-52s in the air around-the-clock, despite the tremendous expense.
Exactly.
So, we're going to split hairs over what is construed as "theft" while using terms like "pirate"?
The pirates seem to have no problem with that label. But there is a distinction with a large difference between copyright infringement and theft. To use "theft" when nothing has been stolen is disingenuous -- in short, a LIE. If you have to resort to lies and inflammatory statements to make your case, you don't have a case to make, period.
Theft is the term is use because that is how the *AA sees it.
So you're going to follow the liars' lead?
I'm sure that the "someone else paid for it" defense works really well against Microsoft when pirating (sorry, I meant sharing) 150 copies of Microsoft Office around the company after buying just one.
I don't think I would defend a money-making outfit for that, but I would certainly defend the home user buying one copy of Windows and installing it on all five computers he built. After all, my CDs aren't all tied to a single CD player. Either way, it's just ones and zeros.
There is at least one instance of "piracy" costing MS money. They lost Ernie Ball as a customer because of accusations of piracy. "I don't care if we have to buy a thousand abacuses, I refuse to do business with someone who treats me badly."
It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than a iMovie and YouTube to keep people from wanting to pay for the next cyber-apocolypse-zombie-vampire movie....split into 7 highly-profitable parts.
Indeed. People will always pay for stuff thay want and can afford. But the world is changing. RIAA record labels are obsolete, and it probably won't be long (the technology isn't quite there yet) before the MPAA suffers the same fate.
What bugs me is the constant "system updates" that take forever right when you started up the machine to do something, and can't be skipped or delayed.
I have the same problem with Microsoft, although they're not QUITE that bad. MS simply nags rather than insisting. And I wouldn't mind having the updates going on in the background, but the reboot gets me THAT much closer to getting off my lazy ass and installing kubuntu. When I had five tabs open in Firefox I DON'T want to look up the wikipedia articles again. MS should learn that tools are supposed to make work easier, not harder.
I had kubuntu on the notebook I had that got stolen, same model as the new one, and it ran like a champ. Ran even better than its native OS. No reboots necessary for upgrades, and if you want to shut it down, it comes back up with all apps and docs open just like they were when you powered off.
I wonder if MS will ever catch up with Linux?
Stupid shit? You call having a computer completely trashed ON PURPOSE by someone you formerly trusted "stupid shit"? I don't, I call it vandalism. If I did that to one of their computers I'd be in prison.
Yes, sad, isn't it? The quality started to go down around the turn of the century. I bought one of their boom boxes (ironically with two tapes and a CD player so you could make copies) around 1990 and it was very good. Bought a 42 inch trinitron (214 lbs, its best feature is it's hard to steal) and one of the video inputs was noisy, probably a bad solder joint on one of the grounds. Paid $1000 for in 2002.
I'm not boycotting, I simply can't trust them. What's worse, the OtherOS shit they pulled last year proves they're STILL not trustworthy.
I'm not punishing them, but I'll be damned if I'll reward them.