kids these days have it easy.. sloppy bloated code with no optimization
I don't think it's the kids' fault so much. I wrote a Turing chatbot that actually worked* on the TS-1000 (16k), ten years later decided to port it to DOS. The source code (which included its data) was still well under 16k, but the executable that Clipper compiled was half a meg.
I still have the executable but no longer have the source, but I remember how I did it and was able to dig the data out of the executable. I'm going to recreate it in javascript. When I get around to it.
* The program was a failure because it worked too well! My purpose in writing it was to demonstrate that computers don't and can't think, but nobody believed that it wasn't thinking.
I like to think im an intelligent person, but some of you people make me feel like im still in pre-school.
Same here, and that's how I like it. It's nice having conversations with people smarter than me (or at least more educated in fields I know little about) after dealing with normtards all day. A day I learn something is a good day, and I often do at slashdot.
Since they will have evolved in a completely different way, it's unlikely they would think we were very tasty. Think about how nasty spiders and scorpions would taste, we could even be a deadly poison to them. They may not even be made out of meat!
I don't know much about the Android's internals except that it's based on Linux, but I've never seen a PC web browser that you couldn't work offline with.
The successor was the QL (based on the Motorola 64k IIRC, instead of the Z-80 of the older machines)
Coincidentally, my second computer was based on a Motorola chip (6802 maybe? I'ts been a long time) but it was a TRS-80 MC10. Once when I was running a BASIC program that poked random values into random memory spaces the blocky pixels disappeared and the who screen was filled with tiny pixels. Curious, I bought a repair manual and discovered that its video chip was capable of 640x480 resolution, so with a little investigation I figured out what memory address to change to get to the higher resolution and wrote a drawing program for it that had more features tham Win95's paint program over ten yeras later! It could draw lines, elipses, curves, rectangles, and even print both upper and lowercase (out of the box it was uppercase only). Of course I had to generate my own fonts. I was pretty proud of that hack! I even sold a few copies of it after advertising in a computer magazine (Byte? I don't remember). I never made any money, the copies I sold barely paid for the ad. But it was fun.
"We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT." Where does the summary say that? For that matter, where does it talk about books?
In the very first sentence. "Right now, content publishers who want to reach readers through dedicated mobile apps..." you don't read movies, games, or radios. If you're reading, it's text.
Talk about lock-in, I was on Compuserve in 1982 or 3. Getting off the damned thing was nerly impossible. Emailed them and snail mailed them telling them to close the account and they just kept sending the bills. Of course, after I told them to cancel I never paid, but they kept sending them. Even turned me over to a credit agency! I hope whoever was in charge of them is in prison.
In fact, if you're a democrat and you would rather stick with the evil you know as opposed to the the evil that is likely to come, you should have registered republican and voted in one of the primaries for Gingrich.
Actually, I'm independant and have voted for as many Rs as Ds, and voted Libertarian and Green as well. And the Sangamon County Republican Party thinks I'm a member, because I usually do what you suggest -- when voting in the primary, I'll vote in whichever primary has the worst candidate and vote against him. I voted against Bush four times, once in the first primary, once in the first general election, and again 4 years later. Same thing with Clinton, voted against him twice on his forst term, but thought he did a passable job and voted for his re-election. IINM our primary is this coming April.
These days, he's [Gingrich] even hard on other republicans.
The Republicans seem to be hard on him as well, and not just the other candidates. Bob Dole was bashing him yesterday.
He looks like a fat old church minister and will have no problem preaching to the Baptists, Methodists and Catholics.
Which is true, but unfathomable to me because everything the man does and says is in complete contradiction to what Christ taught. In fact, the entire conservative movement is.
Obama tries to talk to the people in a way which treats them as bright intelligent people.
Considering how fucking stupid most people are, maybe that's a mistake? But when you talk about stuff like ACTA, that's something that really pisses me off. Both major parties are for the things I'm against, and against the things I'm for. And the other three viable (as in "on enough ballots to win had anyone ever heard of them) parties are just as bad. There are no candidates to represent me!
I'll bet Obama is drooling over the prospects of Gingrich winning the primary.
I actually bough a surplus, real keyboard like the one you're typing on now after the membrane went out (paid $3 for it), and hardware hacked the shebang so I had a real keyboard on my TS-1000. It lasted about six months before it started blowing diodes. I left the whole mess in my basement when my house was foreclosed in 2003 (or 4, don't remember what year) while going through Paxil withdrawal.
There are a few other things I left in that basement that I wish I'd have had the room for in the tiny apartment my daughter and I moved into, like an original IBM-XT in working order, and a "portable" from the same era with a five inch screen and 5 meg hard drive that was the size of a smallish suitcase and weighed about 40 pounds. I'll bet that IBM would be worth something today.
And he claims to be a Christian. No wonder Christians are so often bashed! Of course, he's the wolf in sheep's clothing.
I'm both amused and offended at and by "conservative Christians" who bash liberals. "Conservative" means stingy -- if someone gives you conservative portions at a meal, they're small, stingy portions. Liberal means generous; liberal portions are large. Jesus was a liberal!
Conservatives are all against taxes, but the man they claim to follow said in essense "pay your taxes" (Render unto Ceasar that whis is Ceasar's).
And so many, like Gingrich, bash gays ("judge not, lest you be judged yourself) while carrying on adulterous, and often homosexual, affairs themselves! Why does Gingrich think a gay's sins are worse than his own? The damned hypocrite!
I can't understand how anyone who is a conservative (conservatives worship money) can claim to be a Christian.
I don't have web access on my phone. I "pay as you go" on boost for about $7/month for talk & text assuming I don't burn thru a $20/90day minutes card in the period.
You're paying for minutes? I'm on boost pay as you go and pay a flat $45 for unlimited text, talk, long distance, email, sms, internet, roaming, and probably a few other things. It was $50 to start, there's a program a kind fellow at slashdot clued me in to that after you sign up, every six times you pay on time it goes down five bucks.
I paid $100 for the phone, a Motorola. Can't remember the model, it isn't printed on the phone, but it resembles a foldable blackberry. They have an Android phone, but you can't use it with pay as you go.
There were a few programs I bought mail order, but most of them were crap. There was a pretty good chess program for it, though.
I can't imagine it'd take more than 50 lines of Python.
Damn, now I need to learn Python! But I'd need a way to load the tapes through the sound card inputs. And I'm pretty sure recreating the Z80's complete instruction set, as well as BASIC, would take a few more than 50 lines of any language -- IIRC the Z80 had over 100 instructions. And since video went straight to the hardware (as did the keyboard with my tanks game) that would entail even more code.
It's not a matter of boredom, it's a matter of annoyance. Maybe part of it is there used to to be far fewer cars on the road. I'd rather watch the scenery or read than drive. Maybe part of if it is that's what I did in the Air Force, I flew flightline tractors, pickup trucks, etc. Anything one does for a living gets old.
I wore my membrane keyboard out playing two player battle tanks (I wrote it in assembly and hand-assembled the machine code because BASIC was too slow. Had to put loops in to slow it down enough to be playable in assembly).
<HTML> <body> Anybody who can't write HTML and javascript has no right to be attempting to write applications. I read the summary, the question still stands; you need no application for <b> TEXT.</b> We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT. Why an app, framework, or any other such nonsense? </body></html>
I think what he meant was you had to "soldier on" and write all the programs yourself, because I, for one, had a damned hard time finding any.;)
Was the ZX-81 the same as the TS-1000, or was it the same as the one that came after?
At any rate, I probably still have casettes with TS-1000 programs on it. Are there any emulators for modern PCs that will run Sinclair BASIC or TS-1000 machine code and will read the tapes? If so, I'd love to get a copy.
The "inflation rate" is actually pretty meaningless. It includes things like ferraris and washing machines that people just don't buy every day, and leaves out stuff that people do buy every day. It's like a slide rule with half the marks scratched out and markes put in that don't belong there.
I don't know about his ethical code, but a corporation's ethical code is that fines, settlements, and lost lawsuits are just another cost of doing business, even if the broken law really amounts to negligent mass homicide.
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kids these days have it easy .. sloppy bloated code with no optimization
I don't think it's the kids' fault so much. I wrote a Turing chatbot that actually worked* on the TS-1000 (16k), ten years later decided to port it to DOS. The source code (which included its data) was still well under 16k, but the executable that Clipper compiled was half a meg.
I still have the executable but no longer have the source, but I remember how I did it and was able to dig the data out of the executable. I'm going to recreate it in javascript. When I get around to it.
* The program was a failure because it worked too well! My purpose in writing it was to demonstrate that computers don't and can't think, but nobody believed that it wasn't thinking.
If you're wondering how the AC made the < show up, you just replace the < with <
Thanks for the link, I'll visit it later.
I like to think im an intelligent person, but some of you people make me feel like im still in pre-school.
Same here, and that's how I like it. It's nice having conversations with people smarter than me (or at least more educated in fields I know little about) after dealing with normtards all day. A day I learn something is a good day, and I often do at slashdot.
Since they will have evolved in a completely different way, it's unlikely they would think we were very tasty. Think about how nasty spiders and scorpions would taste, we could even be a deadly poison to them. They may not even be made out of meat!
True, I doubt astronauts or fighter pilots get bored with their jobs either.
I don't know much about the Android's internals except that it's based on Linux, but I've never seen a PC web browser that you couldn't work offline with.
The successor was the QL (based on the Motorola 64k IIRC, instead of the Z-80 of the older machines)
Coincidentally, my second computer was based on a Motorola chip (6802 maybe? I'ts been a long time) but it was a TRS-80 MC10. Once when I was running a BASIC program that poked random values into random memory spaces the blocky pixels disappeared and the who screen was filled with tiny pixels. Curious, I bought a repair manual and discovered that its video chip was capable of 640x480 resolution, so with a little investigation I figured out what memory address to change to get to the higher resolution and wrote a drawing program for it that had more features tham Win95's paint program over ten yeras later! It could draw lines, elipses, curves, rectangles, and even print both upper and lowercase (out of the box it was uppercase only). Of course I had to generate my own fonts. I was pretty proud of that hack! I even sold a few copies of it after advertising in a computer magazine (Byte? I don't remember). I never made any money, the copies I sold barely paid for the ad. But it was fun.
"We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT."
Where does the summary say that?
For that matter, where does it talk about books?
In the very first sentence. "Right now, content publishers who want to reach readers through dedicated mobile apps..." you don't read movies, games, or radios. If you're reading, it's text.
Talk about lock-in, I was on Compuserve in 1982 or 3. Getting off the damned thing was nerly impossible. Emailed them and snail mailed them telling them to close the account and they just kept sending the bills. Of course, after I told them to cancel I never paid, but they kept sending them. Even turned me over to a credit agency! I hope whoever was in charge of them is in prison.
Sounds kinda sleazy to me.
In fact, if you're a democrat and you would rather stick with the evil you know as opposed to the the evil that is likely to come, you should have registered republican and voted in one of the primaries for Gingrich.
Actually, I'm independant and have voted for as many Rs as Ds, and voted Libertarian and Green as well. And the Sangamon County Republican Party thinks I'm a member, because I usually do what you suggest -- when voting in the primary, I'll vote in whichever primary has the worst candidate and vote against him. I voted against Bush four times, once in the first primary, once in the first general election, and again 4 years later. Same thing with Clinton, voted against him twice on his forst term, but thought he did a passable job and voted for his re-election. IINM our primary is this coming April.
These days, he's [Gingrich] even hard on other republicans.
The Republicans seem to be hard on him as well, and not just the other candidates. Bob Dole was bashing him yesterday.
He looks like a fat old church minister and will have no problem preaching to the Baptists, Methodists and Catholics.
Which is true, but unfathomable to me because everything the man does and says is in complete contradiction to what Christ taught. In fact, the entire conservative movement is.
Obama tries to talk to the people in a way which treats them as bright intelligent people.
Considering how fucking stupid most people are, maybe that's a mistake? But when you talk about stuff like ACTA, that's something that really pisses me off. Both major parties are for the things I'm against, and against the things I'm for. And the other three viable (as in "on enough ballots to win had anyone ever heard of them) parties are just as bad. There are no candidates to represent me!
I'll bet Obama is drooling over the prospects of Gingrich winning the primary.
I actually bough a surplus, real keyboard like the one you're typing on now after the membrane went out (paid $3 for it), and hardware hacked the shebang so I had a real keyboard on my TS-1000. It lasted about six months before it started blowing diodes. I left the whole mess in my basement when my house was foreclosed in 2003 (or 4, don't remember what year) while going through Paxil withdrawal.
There are a few other things I left in that basement that I wish I'd have had the room for in the tiny apartment my daughter and I moved into, like an original IBM-XT in working order, and a "portable" from the same era with a five inch screen and 5 meg hard drive that was the size of a smallish suitcase and weighed about 40 pounds. I'll bet that IBM would be worth something today.
And he claims to be a Christian. No wonder Christians are so often bashed! Of course, he's the wolf in sheep's clothing.
I'm both amused and offended at and by "conservative Christians" who bash liberals. "Conservative" means stingy -- if someone gives you conservative portions at a meal, they're small, stingy portions. Liberal means generous; liberal portions are large. Jesus was a liberal!
Conservatives are all against taxes, but the man they claim to follow said in essense "pay your taxes" (Render unto Ceasar that whis is Ceasar's).
And so many, like Gingrich, bash gays ("judge not, lest you be judged yourself) while carrying on adulterous, and often homosexual, affairs themselves! Why does Gingrich think a gay's sins are worse than his own? The damned hypocrite!
I can't understand how anyone who is a conservative (conservatives worship money) can claim to be a Christian.
I don't have web access on my phone. I "pay as you go" on boost for about $7/month for talk & text assuming I don't burn thru a $20/90day minutes card in the period.
You're paying for minutes? I'm on boost pay as you go and pay a flat $45 for unlimited text, talk, long distance, email, sms, internet, roaming, and probably a few other things. It was $50 to start, there's a program a kind fellow at slashdot clued me in to that after you sign up, every six times you pay on time it goes down five bucks.
I paid $100 for the phone, a Motorola. Can't remember the model, it isn't printed on the phone, but it resembles a foldable blackberry. They have an Android phone, but you can't use it with pay as you go.
It may have been Santorum, but whoever it was it was widely reported.
There were a few programs I bought mail order, but most of them were crap. There was a pretty good chess program for it, though.
I can't imagine it'd take more than 50 lines of Python.
Damn, now I need to learn Python! But I'd need a way to load the tapes through the sound card inputs. And I'm pretty sure recreating the Z80's complete instruction set, as well as BASIC, would take a few more than 50 lines of any language -- IIRC the Z80 had over 100 instructions. And since video went straight to the hardware (as did the keyboard with my tanks game) that would entail even more code.
It's not a matter of boredom, it's a matter of annoyance. Maybe part of it is there used to to be far fewer cars on the road. I'd rather watch the scenery or read than drive. Maybe part of if it is that's what I did in the Air Force, I flew flightline tractors, pickup trucks, etc. Anything one does for a living gets old.
I wore my membrane keyboard out playing two player battle tanks (I wrote it in assembly and hand-assembled the machine code because BASIC was too slow. Had to put loops in to slow it down enough to be playable in assembly).
But I was 30 (damn but I'm getting old).
Your troll is offtopic, boy. Now go away.
How about just not feeding the trolls? Ignore them. If you respond, they've won, no matter how insightful your answer to them is.
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Anybody who can't write HTML and javascript has no right to be attempting to write applications. I read the summary, the question still stands; you need no application for <b> TEXT.</b> We're talking about TEXT here. TEXT. Why an app, framework, or any other such nonsense?
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The Obama voters will are not already wondering what happened to Hope and Change will device, not get fooled again.
Er, could you translate that to English, please? My Martian is a little rusty.
I think what he meant was you had to "soldier on" and write all the programs yourself, because I, for one, had a damned hard time finding any. ;)
Was the ZX-81 the same as the TS-1000, or was it the same as the one that came after?
At any rate, I probably still have casettes with TS-1000 programs on it. Are there any emulators for modern PCs that will run Sinclair BASIC or TS-1000 machine code and will read the tapes? If so, I'd love to get a copy.
The "inflation rate" is actually pretty meaningless. It includes things like ferraris and washing machines that people just don't buy every day, and leaves out stuff that people do buy every day. It's like a slide rule with half the marks scratched out and markes put in that don't belong there.
I don't know about his ethical code, but a corporation's ethical code is that fines, settlements, and lost lawsuits are just another cost of doing business, even if the broken law really amounts to negligent mass homicide.