"The problem is most teachers are arrogant, so they want to spend their time in the classroom to teach"
The AUDACITY!!!
HOW DARE THEY!!!
I can't imagine why teachers (with around 50 minutes or so per class period) wouldn't want to use that time learning a new OS, instead of ACTUALLY TEACHING.
The worst part though, is your moronic assertion that teachers are "arrogant" for wanting to teach. How did you arrive at such a ridiculous conclusion? Perhaps you had a teacher who wasn't "arrogant", didn't teach you anything, and you're taking your cues from them.
Did you decide to troll on purpose, or was it accidental?
AC when you've made it a point to troll me at every opportunity.
My mother would say you're a pathetic waste of space who's life is so empty that you actually have time to follow someone around on a web board and respond to everything.
She'd be right, and dad, becasue he knows how to get along with mom, would agree.
Then we'd all laugh at you for being so useless and unimportant.
By the way, COWARD, I post with my handle. So how is it that I'M a pussy again, COWARD?
WELL COWARD? Right, just another lame troll by another lame piece of trash.
My mom's been dead for nine years, and she still has more value to the world than you. How does that feel?
I understand now why you post AC. You're too embarrassed about your empty life to post with your handle. If I were you, I would be too.
As for parents, I'm sure yours would be proud of the life you've carved out for yourself, a trolling slashdot Anonymous Coward. At least they can say you've fulfilled your potential.
I have to assume you're talking about US v. Microsoft, the IE/Netscape thing.
If you'd bothered to read the judgement, they settled without finding fault. In other words, no they were not convicted.
"FINAL JUDGMENT (November 12, 2002)
WHEREAS, plaintiffs United States of America ("United States") and the States of New York, Ohio, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, North Carolina and Wisconsin and defendant Microsoft Corporation ("Microsoft"), by their respective attorneys, have consented to the entry of this Final Judgment;
AND WHEREAS, this Final Judgment does not constitute any admission by any party regarding any issue of fact or law"
"This article is evidence in and of itself that a divide in education requirements is occuring."
Then we read a different article. This one wasn't about education at all.
"As for the economical divide, the fact that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer is documented quite well."
Show me. STOP CLAIMING IT IS SO, and SHOW ME.
As for the rest of your post, it doesn't IN ANY WAY refute my previous post. None of what you said changes any of what I said.
All you did was give one spurious example, which has nothing to do with my post at all. If you had three kids and a wife, those are choices you made, and you have to deal with them. Education isn't the only thing you CHOSE to give up by doing so, and you can STILL recieve the benefits I mentioned. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU CAN STILL GET THE BENEFITS.
Stop making ridiculous excuses for people and hold them accountable for their actions. No one ever had three kids by accident, so stop acting like that was anything other than a concious choice.
And stop acting like one anecdotal example matters. It doesn't, and it doesn't change anything.
"Your definition of what "access" to education is varies from person to person."
NO IT DOESN'T. The same opportunities are available to everyone, so you're wrong.
Why are you so keen to make excuses for people who made ill-informed choices? More than that, why do you think that matters? Nothing you said changes the facts I posted. Hell you blather about costs, when I clearly covered why that's NOT an argument anyone can make.
If you plan to respond, read the post. You are obviously more interested in trying to be right, but the facts are not on your side.
"1) availablilty: schools are crowded, not all that apply are accepted."
Please re-read my post. You'll notice that I ststed that many states (my state of Florida is one example) that REQUIRE state funded schools to accept students who graduate from a Florida community college. I know there are similar programs in other states.
Now, that's REQUIRE, as in SPACE DOES NOT MATTER.
So, if you're talking Yale, or MIT, I'm with you. If you're talking University of West Florida, your argument is meaningless because the schools are legally required to admit community college graduates.
I agree with your other assertion, but that's really a problem with individuals, not the schools.
"The economic devide does, in fact exist."
Don't get fired up, but I'd like to see some facts, rather than assertions, that support this statement. It seems like another meme that has penetrated our collective mindsets, but I've never seen any facts that make the case.
I delivered pizza in college, and averaged around $15 an hour.
I'd say your problem is that you make decisions like accepting a job at McD's when then are other options out there. In other words, you don't do a very good job of looking.
And save your retort, there are ALWAYS pizza delivery jobs around college campuses. If you try to claim otherwise, I'd like your approximate location so I can check.
You can change the qualifiers all you like, he won a Nobel Proze in Economics which makes him qualified to comment on economics, far moreso than you or I.
Yet rather than address that, you call the qualification of the "evaluators for that prize" into question, presumably because it's the only way you can discredit him. That's just fucking sad.
What's worse though is this
"A lot of economists have real trouble with economic fallacies such as the simple fact...blah blah spiel"
I would counter with, "A lot of slashdot trolls have a hard time admitting that their closely held biases are wrong, regardless of the evidence presented."
GP said "respectable" and all YOU did was throw a bunch of fallacies around in a weak attempt to hold onto your ridiculous, factually erroneous pet theories.
"Every day the US is becoming a country where the educational and economical divide grows. The problem is that those on the top are increasing looking down on those below them, and those below them, are becoming increasing bitter of the fact that no-one is watching out for them. (I'm not advocating that outsourcing be banned, however, I am advocating that something be done to help those who were displaced)"
I vehemently disagree on the educational front, and would suggest you post facts for the "economical" divide you suggest is occurring.
Graduating from high school in the US opens up all the education that one needs. Student loans are available to anyone who needs them, regardless of earnings, credit history, or virtually any other consideration (there are a few qualifiers, but they are easily met). So the argument that students can't afford school is BS.
Which could only leave access, but that's a BS argument too, because many (not sure exactly how many) states require state funded schools to accept Community College/Junior College graduates. Similarly, they require CC/JCs to accept high school graduates. So the access argument is BS too.
Now, kindly explain HOW you came to the conclusion that the education divide is widening when there is an educational opportunity for virtually anyone who can graduate (and in many places, Florida for example, you don't even need to do that, just pass a GED, or General Equivalency Diploma test, which is 10th grade level).
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"The problem is most teachers are arrogant, so they want to spend their time in the classroom to teach"
The AUDACITY!!!
HOW DARE THEY!!!
I can't imagine why teachers (with around 50 minutes or so per class period) wouldn't want to use that time learning a new OS, instead of ACTUALLY TEACHING.
The worst part though, is your moronic assertion that teachers are "arrogant" for wanting to teach. How did you arrive at such a ridiculous conclusion? Perhaps you had a teacher who wasn't "arrogant", didn't teach you anything, and you're taking your cues from them.
Did you decide to troll on purpose, or was it accidental?
"Remember people, looking at porn as a child makes you act like a bitch and an alcoholic cokehead as an adult."
Don't stop there, tell us more about yourself.
"tinfoil-hatism is the only rational approach."
That was really funny. I think you're serious, but it was still funny.
"are being rather blatantly racist."
What race do people from UAE belong to?
"Would that include those DIEBOLD machines..."
Nope, these are SEQUOIA voting machines.
Nice try with the troll though, well timed.
AC when you've made it a point to troll me at every opportunity.
My mother would say you're a pathetic waste of space who's life is so empty that you actually have time to follow someone around on a web board and respond to everything.
She'd be right, and dad, becasue he knows how to get along with mom, would agree.
Then we'd all laugh at you for being so useless and unimportant.
By the way, COWARD, I post with my handle. So how is it that I'M a pussy again, COWARD?
WELL COWARD? Right, just another lame troll by another lame piece of trash.
My mom's been dead for nine years, and she still has more value to the world than you. How does that feel?
I understand now why you post AC. You're too embarrassed about your empty life to post with your handle. If I were you, I would be too.
As for parents, I'm sure yours would be proud of the life you've carved out for yourself, a trolling slashdot Anonymous Coward. At least they can say you've fulfilled your potential.
Where is there any anger? Where is there any "immaturity"? Oh, right I get it now.
You're just trying to avoid posting evidence by shutting down the debate. Nice try.
Post your evidence.
Pretty please with sugar on top.
Then explain why one guy who made some poor choices refutes what I've said (you can't, so I imagine another excuse is coming).
Explain WHY you beleive what you believe?
I'm asking vewy, vewy nicely.
"any credibility on your part gets thrown out the window."
What does MY credibility have to do with anything? You're the one making claims that aren;t supported by facts. If I'm wrong, post the facts.
All in all, your post was the worst attempt I've ever seen at changing the subject after getting called.
Post your facts, or admit you don't have them.
By the way, making claims that are unsupported by evidence is the REAL way to lose all credibility. That's all you've done, so stop being a hypocrite.
"A) Microsoft is a convicted monopolist."
I have to assume you're talking about US v. Microsoft, the IE/Netscape thing.
If you'd bothered to read the judgement, they settled without finding fault. In other words, no they were not convicted.
"FINAL JUDGMENT
(November 12, 2002)
WHEREAS, plaintiffs United States of America ("United States") and the States of New York, Ohio, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, North Carolina and Wisconsin and defendant Microsoft Corporation ("Microsoft"), by their respective attorneys, have consented to the entry of this Final Judgment;
AND WHEREAS, this Final Judgment does not constitute any admission by any party regarding any issue of fact or law"
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f200400/200457.htm
"This article is evidence in and of itself that a divide in education requirements is occuring."
Then we read a different article. This one wasn't about education at all.
"As for the economical divide, the fact that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer is documented quite well."
Show me. STOP CLAIMING IT IS SO, and SHOW ME.
As for the rest of your post, it doesn't IN ANY WAY refute my previous post. None of what you said changes any of what I said.
All you did was give one spurious example, which has nothing to do with my post at all. If you had three kids and a wife, those are choices you made, and you have to deal with them. Education isn't the only thing you CHOSE to give up by doing so, and you can STILL recieve the benefits I mentioned. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU CAN STILL GET THE BENEFITS.
Stop making ridiculous excuses for people and hold them accountable for their actions. No one ever had three kids by accident, so stop acting like that was anything other than a concious choice.
And stop acting like one anecdotal example matters. It doesn't, and it doesn't change anything.
"Your definition of what "access" to education is varies from person to person."
NO IT DOESN'T. The same opportunities are available to everyone, so you're wrong.
Why are you so keen to make excuses for people who made ill-informed choices? More than that, why do you think that matters? Nothing you said changes the facts I posted. Hell you blather about costs, when I clearly covered why that's NOT an argument anyone can make.
If you plan to respond, read the post. You are obviously more interested in trying to be right, but the facts are not on your side.
that "god is great" gets modded flamebait...
"yep, i'm an 'apple bashing troll'" We agree. The good news is, now that you've admitted your problem, you can move on to solving it.
Allahu Akbar
You said "comparing wi-fi to radio waves" which NO ONE would ever say, knowing that wi-fi IS radio waves.
That was a REALLY nice try, but you're full of shit, and you got pinched. Be a man and own up to it.
Move to Florida, and establish residency by living here one year. The you get the same benefits.
If you understood the mechanics of this board, you'd have replied to the right person, instead of to me.
"1) availablilty: schools are crowded, not all that apply are accepted."
Please re-read my post. You'll notice that I ststed that many states (my state of Florida is one example) that REQUIRE state funded schools to accept students who graduate from a Florida community college. I know there are similar programs in other states.
Now, that's REQUIRE, as in SPACE DOES NOT MATTER.
So, if you're talking Yale, or MIT, I'm with you. If you're talking University of West Florida, your argument is meaningless because the schools are legally required to admit community college graduates.
I agree with your other assertion, but that's really a problem with individuals, not the schools.
"The economic devide does, in fact exist."
Don't get fired up, but I'd like to see some facts, rather than assertions, that support this statement. It seems like another meme that has penetrated our collective mindsets, but I've never seen any facts that make the case.
"So now I work at McDonalds for $6/hr."
I delivered pizza in college, and averaged around $15 an hour.
I'd say your problem is that you make decisions like accepting a job at McD's when then are other options out there. In other words, you don't do a very good job of looking.
And save your retort, there are ALWAYS pizza delivery jobs around college campuses. If you try to claim otherwise, I'd like your approximate location so I can check.
A whiny crybaby who expects businesses to offer hand-outs. It's NOT YOUR JOB. It's THEIR JOB, and they'll offer it to whomever gives them value.
If you don't like how you're treated, START YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS.
Instead you complain. What does that say about you?
That he is "respectable".
You can change the qualifiers all you like, he won a Nobel Proze in Economics which makes him qualified to comment on economics, far moreso than you or I.
Yet rather than address that, you call the qualification of the "evaluators for that prize" into question, presumably because it's the only way you can discredit him. That's just fucking sad.
What's worse though is this
"A lot of economists have real trouble with economic fallacies such as the simple fact...blah blah spiel"
I would counter with, "A lot of slashdot trolls have a hard time admitting that their closely held biases are wrong, regardless of the evidence presented."
GP said "respectable" and all YOU did was throw a bunch of fallacies around in a weak attempt to hold onto your ridiculous, factually erroneous pet theories.
"Every day the US is becoming a country where the educational and economical divide grows. The problem is that those on the top are increasing looking down on those below them, and those below them, are becoming increasing bitter of the fact that no-one is watching out for them.
(I'm not advocating that outsourcing be banned, however, I am advocating that something be done to help those who were displaced)"
I vehemently disagree on the educational front, and would suggest you post facts for the "economical" divide you suggest is occurring.
Graduating from high school in the US opens up all the education that one needs. Student loans are available to anyone who needs them, regardless of earnings, credit history, or virtually any other consideration (there are a few qualifiers, but they are easily met). So the argument that students can't afford school is BS.
Which could only leave access, but that's a BS argument too, because many (not sure exactly how many) states require state funded schools to accept Community College/Junior College graduates. Similarly, they require CC/JCs to accept high school graduates. So the access argument is BS too.
Now, kindly explain HOW you came to the conclusion that the education divide is widening when there is an educational opportunity for virtually anyone who can graduate (and in many places, Florida for example, you don't even need to do that, just pass a GED, or General Equivalency Diploma test, which is 10th grade level).
More chicken little BS.
"FYI, no RESPECTABLE economist thinks off-shoring is a good idea."
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/33283.html
FYI, you're wrong.
"I am glad to hear there are more jobs... but then, why am I making 25% less than what I was making 5 months ago?"
Because that's what someone who does what you do gets paid in the current market.
The question you should be asking is "Why the hell did I ever get paid so much in the past?"
You were overpaid, and the market adjusted. It happens.
Here
http://www.acm.org/globalizationreport/
I doubt you'll change your tune though, it seems you're convinced outsourcing is bad.
You need to look into the different types of shares. Some have voting priveleges, some do not.
"Those poor and downtrodden are there because..."
they choose to be.
The poor (with precious few exceptions) behave in ways that extend their poverty. They learned bad habits, and those habits keep them poor.