$33,500? He probably could have gotten WAY more on the black market. This is ultimately the problem with stingy bug bounties.
How is it a problem?
Its a fact of life that we are daily confronted between the choice to do the right thing and the choice to screw someone over for money.
My neighbor went on vacation, they gave me the keys to the house to water the plants, and bring in her mail. I could turn a tidy profit passing the information that the house is empty to a ring of thieves, steal her identity, and strip her car.
Or I can just water the plants and usually receive a bottle of wine or other small thank you gift.
I had the 'keys to her kingdom', and she repaid my responsible behaviour with a token. Should I complain she's being stingy, and call it a huge problem too?
you still want to play this asinine partisanship game
Its nothing to do with partisanship.
When will you wake up to the fact that you, an "enlightened liberal" (since you used the word "delusion" to describe your opponents), is as much a victim of the so-called, in your own words, "mass delusion" as those "deluded nemesis" of yours, the "Bible belt Republicans" ?
Meh, the far left is just as deluded. The rest of the left is a spectrum of what the rest of the world would call "right" and "left".
Usual (for the rest of us) seems to be that the more affluent you become, the more right-wing your views - "I want to keep my money, not redistribute it to the proles" The coasts of your country contribute the majority of tax-base to the country, and in return get the centre hoovering up the money whilst whining about 'big government
Mass delusions.
The highly affluent who want to "keep my money and not redistribute it" have managed to convince the bible belt that the sinners and gays on the coasts are the recipients of their tax dollars. The reality is quite the opposite, so I attribute it to mass delusions.
Another ongoing delusion amongst the less affluent republican base is that they are in fact much richer then they are (or will be any minute now), and they literally vote against their own best interests to safeguard the wealth they imagine they have or will soon have.
The built-in camera on my Macbook turns on a hardware light whenever it's being used.
That is an assumption.
Mac's are now shipping with the camera power led on a separate software controlled circuit so its no longer the case that the light must be on for the camera to be on (or vice versa).
Complete failure of secure hardware design. Way to go Apple.
No, just no. Several places will remove cameras from laptops for less than $250. The one we now use at work is Mission:Repair (http://www.missionrepair.com). They do a great job, and have only ruined about 5% of the devices we've sent in for camera removal
I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not, but $250 to remove something, and 5% "ruined-device" rates are obscenely high IMHO.
$25 bucks, and 0.1% ruined devices is much closer to the right ballpark.
Liability insurance on a rear-wheel drive car in snowy Canada was that cheap? I mean, when you consider that you were likely to fly off the road and into someone's living room at any moment for half the calendar year, that seems like quite a reasonable deal, no?
a) It was mid engine, so unlike most RWD cars, the weight distribution was very good. It was far far less likely to lose the rear end than say a Mustang or a Nissan 240SX or the other affordable RWD "sports cars" that were its contemporaries.
b) No it wasn't a reasonable deal. The price of the same car insurance in Quebec or Vancouver was a third. Vancouver is in my opinion the hardest of the 3 cities to drive in by far; and if you want to focus on just snow, Quebec is just as snowy as Toronto.
It was 1.5L 112hp, no turbo, so supercharger and at the time was was already around 5 to 8 years old. Sure it was a 2-seater mid-engine sports car and it was fun, quick, and nimble, but lets not pretend it was something it wasn't.
A friend at the time drove an old V8 crown victoria that had a much higher top speed, far more power, steered like a boat, and represented a LOT more mass moving down the freeway.
and have already managed to cause one accident.
Yes, a brush with a concrete pole in a parking garage.
like to drive above the speed limit
One was for going 50km/h in a school zone -- yup, my fault, no excuses; I was driving residential speed in a part of town I didn't know, and missed the sign, the kids were in class so there was nobody about, but the cop.
The other for 80km in a 60km/h; going with the flow of traffic; through a speed trap.
Did I deserve the tickets? Sure, maybe. A few hundred bucks worth of "lessons" are, if not completely fair, at least not completely unreasonable. Should that have really pushed my insurance into the stratosphere? No, that wasn't fair. In BC, the tickets were far enough apart (nearly 4 years) that the first wasn't even considered for insurance purposes, and they don't penalize you massively for a single speeding ticket.
Likewise, the accident in was absolutely affecting my insurance, it wiped out my discount, and I was paying 20% over base. When I scraped the pole, and evaluated the cost of a new quarter panel and paint, and claiming it and taking the BC insurance hit wound up being a bit cheaper in the long run than just paying it out. If my little $4k accident was going to increase my insurance by $5500 per year... I'd just have never claimed it.
$7500 seems quite reasonable
Yet the same driver in Vancouver was deemed only a $2600 risk. Why is $7500 in Toronto "quite reasonable" when its nearly triple Vancouver? And Vancouver, for the record, is the more difficult place to drive.
Was I an elevated risk? Sure. I was still a new driver, I'd made a few mistakes, but $7500 per year was unreasonable.
I briefly moved there when I was ~20; and my driving record wasn't spotless. A couple speeding tickets, and an at-fault low speed minor fender bender over 4 years.
Cheapest insurance I could get in Toronto was $7500; and it went up from there to $13000. The car, a used MR2, was worth $5000.
So the 8 months we were there I didn't drive. Car sat in storage. I moved back to BC; where the insurance even with the driving record was $2600 or so; and am still in BC, now a decade or so later with a Porsche 911 that costs around $1700/year with a good 15 years of no points / no accidents.
I will say this though, nobody I knew in BC ever drove without insurance. In ON it was a thing a fair number of people did due the exorbitant rates they charged.
As for the original article, I think graduated licensing programs have accounted for teens driving less. The restrictions it places are pretty onerous... I see things where after you pass your first road test for the next two years you have maximum one passenger (unless they are immediate family or are over 25 with a full license), no driving at night, zero alcohol, no driving on freeways...
A lot of teens are "why bother" since they can't do anything with the car anyway. They can't drive to work if they work past 8pm, or take their friends to the beach, etc... I plan to get my kids their licenses as soon as they are able, even if they don't drive much or at all. so they can accumulate accident free history, and get through the graduated crap but I can see why a lot of kids don't bother. A car with graduated licensing even if they can afford one, and the gas to put in it, just isn't that useful in many cases until they get through the graduated licensing anyway.
All they have to do to defeat hosts is proxy/cache the ads through the site you want to see rather than having you connect directly to the ad networks.
So I guess you're also against HUDs like I had in my last two cars.
Did your vehicle HUDs show you pictures of lol cats when you asked them to? Did they show you facebook updates or SMS messages? Could you ask them inane trivia questions about vegetables?
Yeah, I'm not sure these two things are really the same.
Seems to me the only idiot here is you!
And yet I'm not the one comparing a vehicle hud to having twitter projected in front of you while you drive.
Isn't that like saying a pilot is distracted by having his HUD turned on?
Does a pilot's HUD send and receive display SMS messages? Facebook updates? Twitter feeds? Does it answer inane trivia that you ask it like "How long is the average intestine?" or "What's the word for chicken in chinese?" If you ask a pilot's hud to show you a funny lol-cat will it?
Or does it just show you highly flying relevant info graphics and information like the horizon, airspeed, altitude, rate of descent...?
it looks like most Windows malware is of the "drive-by" or "autorun" variety which requires no active user role.
And it usually exploits holes in the browser, common browser plug-ins, java, (historically activex), and common desktop apps - Office, Acrobat, etc.
The payload is usually deployed and limited to the user account that it picked up. So the operating system level security is relatively effective; in the sense that PC isn't owned, just the user account that got compromised.
The next most popular category is something called "keygen" malware which seems to be some software which generates user activation keys (I don't know since this type of thing is not used in the Mac/Linux world) and this would seem to dupe the user into installing malware in return for allowing him access to his software.
keygen malware generates (or alleges to generate) working keys and to patch/defeat the copy protection in pirated software. Windows itself, MS Office, Adobe CS, Autocad, etc are the most common. No-CD cracks/patches etc for the new release games etc are another. Video playback codecs / dvd cracks, etc.
So... yeah... you are downloading and trusting software from sketchy sources to perform a sketchy activity, often running it with administrator privileges. You can't blame windows security at all for what happens with that, and its entirely predictible that some of it will contain malware.
Glad I don't live in the Windows ecosystem... looks ugly.
Its not a facet of windows, its facet of success. The number one OS attracts the most crap. Driveby malware is appearing in OSX now, as well as for ios and android. Meanwhile Trojan app store apps look to be the up-and-coming malware infection vector.
In fact, I updated my computer recently and the only internal components that I could keep were the hard drive and the DVD rewriter. Everything else had to be replaced.
Replaing the mainboard isn't an update. Its a new computer.;)
But yeah, replacing the mainboard, usually entails new RAM and a new CPU. That triplet usually goes together; although you can usually ram bump an existing system; almost nobody "upgrades" just the mobo or just the cpu. There's rarely any point.
But hard drives, video cards, sound cards, wifi/nic cards, etc can usually run on a separate schedule and/or carry forwards (although a lot of that is now on the mainboard).
Really, only video and drives are updated "regularly". So your experience was typical.
However, the case, power supply (if you overbuy a bit), and accessories (keyboard, mouse, monitors, etc) all roll over from system to system. And that takes a huge bite out of even a major upgrade.
In fact, I updated my computer recently and the only internal components that I could keep were the hard drive and the DVD rewriter. Everything else had to be replaced.
Your system would have had to be pretty ancient to not be able to carry forward the video card. If your last system was still AGP... you've got nothing to complain about. It lasted forever.
99% of the time Vista+ users get infected, I can simply delete the local profile files, and they can log back in, creating a new cleaned out one. Most malware is just shit the users have 'agreed to' and it doesn't even leave the user profile.
Granted, that's where there sensitive documents are etc, etc, but in terms of infecting the computer requiring a complete wipe... I don't do that terribly often anymore.
Admitedly that is in a domain setting; but its what I do at home too with the kids laptops; login as my admin user; copy the files / folders etc that they need to keep, delete the user account, and recreate it.
So... I will continue to mock Windows (all versions) for being a pathetic excuse for an OS which should be avoided by everyone except the clueless. Windows security is still a joke.
If we had linux on the desktop, or OSX's marketshare continues to grow, the same malware situation will manifest there... the end users are the weak link.
Windows Vista introduced a proper security model. 7 was a substantial improvement, 8 was a bit cleaner and 2 steps backwards in usability, 8.1 is about on par with 7 really, with a start screen instead of a start menu.
Without getting into whether 8.1 is better than 7, anything from Vista onwards got the new security model, and THAT is a reason to upgrade.
But remember, security doesn't sell, and this thread just shows how deeply that goes. Because here on/. we spent over a DECADE mocking Windows XP and previous versions running as administrator (aka root), and the majority of users running as administor.
And then Microsoft finally fixed that, and today Windows security and reliability is a lot better as a result, but here we are on/. no less, listing to people tell us with a straight face that there is no reason for them to upgrade from XP.
Security just doesn't sell, not even here. That's sad.
So then, yeah, if you get brained with a stapler, that's probably going in as a "blunt object"; since the class of murder weapons "clubs" and "hammers" fall into is actually "blunt objects".
The FBI does lump hammers and clubs together but I don't see that as an issue
Is that all they lump in? I know what a hammer is, but I'm still not clear on the boundary for "club". Police batons I suppose are modern day club weapons but what else is being counted?
Presumably baseball bats, cricket bats, croquet mallets, and golf clubs, are all clubs. But what about shovels? pipes? wrenches? Trophies?
What about bricks? or rocks? Vases? Beer steins? Bottles? Marble rolling pins? What if someone brains you with a heavy metal desk stapler?
Even "assault weapons" as poorly defined as it is is still somewhat limited at least to something recognizable as firearms / weapons. A ban on "clubs" is what exactly? A ban on on all "blunt heavy things"?
So it would have been ok if he had stabbed the guy or snapped his neck or slammed his face into the floor and stomped him?
Those are all much harder, not to mention messier, things to do. They don't happen as quite much because it's harder work to kill someone like that. People are lazy, even at killing each other in a mad rage. Make it a big physical exertion and that's enough to deter a lot of people a lot of the time. But pulling a trigger is easy.
But because he used a gun, guns are evil?
Not evil. Just easy. Point and shoot.
People get shot and live. People also get punched in the face and die.
Are you suggesting the face-punch fatality rate is on par with the firearms fatality rate? And that the two should be considered equivalent for all purposes?
I mean, if there were no guns, people could still rob 7-11 with the threat of a good lethal face-punching right? "Give me all the money in the register, and nobody gets face-punched!"
The underlying problem is a trivial argument escalating to violence due to the inability of an individual to control their temper.
No argument there. Not sure that suggests a solution though.
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$33,500? He probably could have gotten WAY more on the black market. This is ultimately the problem with stingy bug bounties.
How is it a problem?
Its a fact of life that we are daily confronted between the choice to do the right thing and the choice to screw someone over for money.
My neighbor went on vacation, they gave me the keys to the house to water the plants, and bring in her mail. I could turn a tidy profit passing the information that the house is empty to a ring of thieves, steal her identity, and strip her car.
Or I can just water the plants and usually receive a bottle of wine or other small thank you gift.
I had the 'keys to her kingdom', and she repaid my responsible behaviour with a token. Should I complain she's being stingy, and call it a huge problem too?
you still want to play this asinine partisanship game
Its nothing to do with partisanship.
When will you wake up to the fact that you, an "enlightened liberal" (since you used the word "delusion" to describe your opponents), is as much a victim of the so-called, in your own words, "mass delusion" as those "deluded nemesis" of yours, the "Bible belt Republicans" ?
Meh, the far left is just as deluded. The rest of the left is a spectrum of what the rest of the world would call "right" and "left".
Usual (for the rest of us) seems to be that the more affluent you become, the more right-wing your views - "I want to keep my money, not redistribute it to the proles"
The coasts of your country contribute the majority of tax-base to the country, and in return get the centre hoovering up the money whilst whining about 'big government
Mass delusions.
The highly affluent who want to "keep my money and not redistribute it" have managed to convince the bible belt that the sinners and gays on the coasts are the recipients of their tax dollars. The reality is quite the opposite, so I attribute it to mass delusions.
Another ongoing delusion amongst the less affluent republican base is that they are in fact much richer then they are (or will be any minute now), and they literally vote against their own best interests to safeguard the wealth they imagine they have or will soon have.
I say this all tongue in cheek. Mostly.
The built-in camera on my Macbook turns on a hardware light whenever it's being used.
That is an assumption.
Mac's are now shipping with the camera power led on a separate software controlled circuit so its no longer the case that the light must be on for the camera to be on (or vice versa).
Complete failure of secure hardware design. Way to go Apple.
No, just no. Several places will remove cameras from laptops for less than $250. The one we now use at work is Mission:Repair (http://www.missionrepair.com). They do a great job, and have only ruined about 5% of the devices we've sent in for camera removal
I can't tell if that is sarcasm or not, but $250 to remove something, and 5% "ruined-device" rates are obscenely high IMHO.
$25 bucks, and 0.1% ruined devices is much closer to the right ballpark.
Perhaps the rates for Toronto are so high due to the relative abundance of Asians on the road?
Lol, I'd say that's also more a hazard in Vancouver.
Liability insurance on a rear-wheel drive car in snowy Canada was that cheap? I mean, when you consider that you were likely to fly off the road and into someone's living room at any moment for half the calendar year, that seems like quite a reasonable deal, no?
a) It was mid engine, so unlike most RWD cars, the weight distribution was very good. It was far far less likely to lose the rear end than say a Mustang or a Nissan 240SX or the other affordable RWD "sports cars" that were its contemporaries.
b) No it wasn't a reasonable deal. The price of the same car insurance in Quebec or Vancouver was a third. Vancouver is in my opinion the hardest of the 3 cities to drive in by far; and if you want to focus on just snow, Quebec is just as snowy as Toronto.
"fairly powerful sports car"
It was 1.5L 112hp, no turbo, so supercharger and at the time was was already around 5 to 8 years old. Sure it was a 2-seater mid-engine sports car and it was fun, quick, and nimble, but lets not pretend it was something it wasn't.
A friend at the time drove an old V8 crown victoria that had a much higher top speed, far more power, steered like a boat, and represented a LOT more mass moving down the freeway.
and have already managed to cause one accident.
Yes, a brush with a concrete pole in a parking garage.
like to drive above the speed limit
One was for going 50km/h in a school zone -- yup, my fault, no excuses; I was driving residential speed in a part of town I didn't know, and missed the sign, the kids were in class so there was nobody about, but the cop.
The other for 80km in a 60km/h; going with the flow of traffic; through a speed trap.
Did I deserve the tickets? Sure, maybe. A few hundred bucks worth of "lessons" are, if not completely fair, at least not completely unreasonable. Should that have really pushed my insurance into the stratosphere? No, that wasn't fair. In BC, the tickets were far enough apart (nearly 4 years) that the first wasn't even considered for insurance purposes, and they don't penalize you massively for a single speeding ticket.
Likewise, the accident in was absolutely affecting my insurance, it wiped out my discount, and I was paying 20% over base. When I scraped the pole, and evaluated the cost of a new quarter panel and paint, and claiming it and taking the BC insurance hit wound up being a bit cheaper in the long run than just paying it out. If my little $4k accident was going to increase my insurance by $5500 per year... I'd just have never claimed it.
$7500 seems quite reasonable
Yet the same driver in Vancouver was deemed only a $2600 risk. Why is $7500 in Toronto "quite reasonable" when its nearly triple Vancouver? And Vancouver, for the record, is the more difficult place to drive.
Was I an elevated risk? Sure. I was still a new driver, I'd made a few mistakes, but $7500 per year was unreasonable.
Similar story here.
I briefly moved there when I was ~20; and my driving record wasn't spotless. A couple speeding tickets, and an at-fault low speed minor fender bender over 4 years.
Cheapest insurance I could get in Toronto was $7500; and it went up from there to $13000. The car, a used MR2, was worth $5000.
So the 8 months we were there I didn't drive. Car sat in storage. I moved back to BC; where the insurance even with the driving record was $2600 or so; and am still in BC, now a decade or so later with a Porsche 911 that costs around $1700/year with a good 15 years of no points / no accidents.
I will say this though, nobody I knew in BC ever drove without insurance. In ON it was a thing a fair number of people did due the exorbitant rates they charged.
As for the original article, I think graduated licensing programs have accounted for teens driving less. The restrictions it places are pretty onerous... I see things where after you pass your first road test for the next two years you have maximum one passenger (unless they are immediate family or are over 25 with a full license), no driving at night, zero alcohol, no driving on freeways...
A lot of teens are "why bother" since they can't do anything with the car anyway. They can't drive to work if they work past 8pm, or take their friends to the beach, etc... I plan to get my kids their licenses as soon as they are able, even if they don't drive much or at all. so they can accumulate accident free history, and get through the graduated crap but I can see why a lot of kids don't bother. A car with graduated licensing even if they can afford one, and the gas to put in it, just isn't that useful in many cases until they get through the graduated licensing anyway.
All they have to do to defeat hosts is proxy/cache the ads through the site you want to see rather than having you connect directly to the ad networks.
So I guess you're also against HUDs like I had in my last two cars.
Did your vehicle HUDs show you pictures of lol cats when you asked them to? Did they show you facebook updates or SMS messages? Could you ask them inane trivia questions about vegetables?
Yeah, I'm not sure these two things are really the same.
Seems to me the only idiot here is you!
And yet I'm not the one comparing a vehicle hud to having twitter projected in front of you while you drive.
Isn't that like saying a pilot is distracted by having his HUD turned on?
Does a pilot's HUD send and receive display SMS messages? Facebook updates? Twitter feeds? Does it answer inane trivia that you ask it like "How long is the average intestine?" or "What's the word for chicken in chinese?" If you ask a pilot's hud to show you a funny lol-cat will it?
Or does it just show you highly flying relevant info graphics and information like the horizon, airspeed, altitude, rate of descent...?
Yeah, they are totally the same thing, right?
That's why I always leak someone else's copy.
it looks like most Windows malware is of the "drive-by" or "autorun" variety which requires no active user role.
And it usually exploits holes in the browser, common browser plug-ins, java, (historically activex), and common desktop apps - Office, Acrobat, etc.
The payload is usually deployed and limited to the user account that it picked up. So the operating system level security is relatively effective; in the sense that PC isn't owned, just the user account that got compromised.
The next most popular category is something called "keygen" malware which seems to be some software which generates user activation keys (I don't know since this type of thing is not used in the Mac/Linux world) and this would seem to dupe the user into installing malware in return for allowing him access to his software.
keygen malware generates (or alleges to generate) working keys and to patch/defeat the copy protection in pirated software. Windows itself, MS Office, Adobe CS, Autocad, etc are the most common. No-CD cracks/patches etc for the new release games etc are another. Video playback codecs / dvd cracks, etc.
So... yeah... you are downloading and trusting software from sketchy sources to perform a sketchy activity, often running it with administrator privileges. You can't blame windows security at all for what happens with that, and its entirely predictible that some of it will contain malware.
Glad I don't live in the Windows ecosystem... looks ugly.
Its not a facet of windows, its facet of success. The number one OS attracts the most crap. Driveby malware is appearing in OSX now, as well as for ios and android. Meanwhile Trojan app store apps look to be the up-and-coming malware infection vector.
In fact, I updated my computer recently and the only internal components that I could keep were the hard drive and the DVD rewriter. Everything else had to be replaced.
Replaing the mainboard isn't an update. Its a new computer. ;)
But yeah, replacing the mainboard, usually entails new RAM and a new CPU. That triplet usually goes together; although you can usually ram bump an existing system; almost nobody "upgrades" just the mobo or just the cpu. There's rarely any point.
But hard drives, video cards, sound cards, wifi/nic cards, etc can usually run on a separate schedule and/or carry forwards (although a lot of that is now on the mainboard).
Really, only video and drives are updated "regularly". So your experience was typical.
However, the case, power supply (if you overbuy a bit), and accessories (keyboard, mouse, monitors, etc) all roll over from system to system. And that takes a huge bite out of even a major upgrade.
In fact, I updated my computer recently and the only internal components that I could keep were the hard drive and the DVD rewriter. Everything else had to be replaced.
Your system would have had to be pretty ancient to not be able to carry forward the video card. If your last system was still AGP... you've got nothing to complain about. It lasted forever.
99% of the time Vista+ users get infected, I can simply delete the local profile files, and they can log back in, creating a new cleaned out one. Most malware is just shit the users have 'agreed to' and it doesn't even leave the user profile.
Granted, that's where there sensitive documents are etc, etc, but in terms of infecting the computer requiring a complete wipe... I don't do that terribly often anymore.
Admitedly that is in a domain setting; but its what I do at home too with the kids laptops; login as my admin user; copy the files / folders etc that they need to keep, delete the user account, and recreate it.
So... I will continue to mock Windows (all versions) for being a pathetic excuse for an OS which should be avoided by everyone except the clueless.
Windows security is still a joke.
If we had linux on the desktop, or OSX's marketshare continues to grow, the same malware situation will manifest there... the end users are the weak link.
Are people using their Xboxes as PC replacements?
Are they using their ipod's and apple TVs as PC replacements?
Windows Vista introduced a proper security model. 7 was a substantial improvement, 8 was a bit cleaner and 2 steps backwards in usability, 8.1 is about on par with 7 really, with a start screen instead of a start menu.
Without getting into whether 8.1 is better than 7, anything from Vista onwards got the new security model, and THAT is a reason to upgrade.
But remember, security doesn't sell, and this thread just shows how deeply that goes. Because here on /. we spent over a DECADE mocking Windows XP and previous versions running as administrator (aka root), and the majority of users running as administor.
And then Microsoft finally fixed that, and today Windows security and reliability is a lot better as a result, but here we are on /. no less, listing to people tell us with a straight face that there is no reason for them to upgrade from XP.
Security just doesn't sell, not even here. That's sad.
So then, yeah, if you get brained with a stapler, that's probably going in as a "blunt object"; since the class of murder weapons "clubs" and "hammers" fall into is actually "blunt objects".
The FBI does lump hammers and clubs together but I don't see that as an issue
Is that all they lump in? I know what a hammer is, but I'm still not clear on the boundary for "club". Police batons I suppose are modern day club weapons but what else is being counted?
Presumably baseball bats, cricket bats, croquet mallets, and golf clubs, are all clubs. But what about shovels? pipes? wrenches? Trophies?
What about bricks? or rocks? Vases? Beer steins? Bottles? Marble rolling pins? What if someone brains you with a heavy metal desk stapler?
Even "assault weapons" as poorly defined as it is is still somewhat limited at least to something recognizable as firearms / weapons. A ban on "clubs" is what exactly? A ban on on all "blunt heavy things"?
Well more people are murdered with clubs than "assault weapons" every year, if that helps.
Not really. "clubs" is even more poorly defined than "assault weapons". If your head gets crushed by an APC UPS is that counted as a murder by 'club'?
Even if they sit there for a thousand years they may still be useful to some one else after we are all gone. No one thinks about the REALLY long game.
I've read quite a bit of reasearch that suggests dumps packed so tight that nothing in them decomposes...
So a dump might well be the best place for them.
What happens when the robots want in on the welfare?
Not a problem unless we go out of our way to inflict it on ourselves.We don't need human like AI in our berry picking bots.
So it would have been ok if he had stabbed the guy or snapped his neck or slammed his face into the floor and stomped him?
Those are all much harder, not to mention messier, things to do. They don't happen as quite much because it's harder work to kill someone like that. People are lazy, even at killing each other in a mad rage. Make it a big physical exertion and that's enough to deter a lot of people a lot of the time. But pulling a trigger is easy.
But because he used a gun, guns are evil?
Not evil. Just easy. Point and shoot.
People get shot and live. People also get punched in the face and die.
Are you suggesting the face-punch fatality rate is on par with the firearms fatality rate? And that the two should be considered equivalent for all purposes?
I mean, if there were no guns, people could still rob 7-11 with the threat of a good lethal face-punching right? "Give me all the money in the register, and nobody gets face-punched!"
The underlying problem is a trivial argument escalating to violence due to the inability of an individual to control their temper.
No argument there. Not sure that suggests a solution though.