What bad thing would happen if you ordered it from http://www.apple.com/ like I did this morning?
If I forgot it or misplaced it it would be a significant inconvenience. If I show up at a tradeshow, it will be over before the replacement dongle arrives.
The last time something like that happened to a coworker -- where he forgot some stupid video adapter dongle (mini-dvi is a pretty useless port to have on a laptop too), he ended up buying a new laptop, because at least he could get THAT the same afternoon, rather than wait 2 days for some special order rinky-dink dongle.
Do you *really* have a need to use wired ethernet *everywhere* you go?
No. If it was everywhere it would actually be easier to remember, albeit even stupider to have to carry around. But I move from client office to client office. Some have wifi, some don't. Sometimes the wifi is a more isolated "guest" network and I need wired to reach servers etc.
Also "Internet Sharing" in OSX works really well. I often make my macbook pro into an access point for other wifi devices. And I regularly go the other way too... to connect a wired desktop to the mac via ethernet to get it on the wifi.
I also use ethernet for large transfers and backups. Sure it works over wifi, but it works a LOT faster over the gigabit switch.
So while I don't use ethernet on my laptop every day, I do use it regularly.
When I leave the house I somehow remember to put on underwear and shoes, and if I need to take my laptop, I generally remember to take that too.
I love this silly argument that you've made a couple times now. You are saying that because its easy to remember to put shoes on before you go somewhere its therefore easy to remember some small occasionally used dongle that one may or may not need. Do you REALLY think that this is a valid line of reasoning?
I'm sure you've met countless people who have forgotten to bring something or other somewhere. Now compare that with how often someone has shown up naked having forgotten to get dressed.
Maybe just maybe some things are much easier to remember than other things.
and if I need to take my laptop, I generally remember to take that too. The dongle attached to it will be no different.
Why would the dongle be attached to it when i'm packing up to leave? What if I haven't used it for 3 days and its still dangling off the ethernet cable at the office? Out of sight. Out of mind. Unlike the laptop itself... or my shoes.
Don't bother pretending they are the same. They aren't.
Buy it where? Just step outside and the hot dog vendor has them? Or do I have to drive halfway accross town to the one place that has 2 left in stock... and that's this year. 2 years from now its a special order part from another state.
Totally, because there have *never* been issues with running data millimeters away from power and transformers.
Are you suggesting it can't work?
Because Lenovo already made an ac adapter with a usb hub. One of the usb ports could eveb be used to charge a usb device without being plugged into the laptop. Great little item.
Most USB devices have downstream ports, and the need for multiple ports conflicts with your obsession with not plugging anything into the laptop.
a) Most usb devices do not have ports. b) I don't have an obsession with not plugging things into the laptop. I have an obsession with not plugging things into other things that then themselves plug into the laptop, and having to carry these other things around with me everywhere I go, when i should be able to just plug things directly into the laptop.
That social contract goes against basic human freedoms
No, it doesn't.
So it should be illegal for someone to use a video camera in public?
Not at all.
Just because someone chooses to do it on a larger scale and actually use the information is still just practicing a basic right.
If someone follows me around with a video camera making a documentary of my habits to post onlin, and sell to advertisers, that is miles away from someone video taping their own kids as I walk by in the background.
Can you REALLY not see a difference?
But trying to regulate it has nearly infinite costs and millions of use cases to independently judge.
The video camera industry has managed just fine. Even shows like COPS manage it. Either someone is a paid actor / signed a waiver, or they get blurred out before they can use the captured footage. It doesn't have infinite costs and millions of use cases.
In your earlier comment you wrote "It is about the availability of functionality when I need it.
Fair enough but the in the mid 90 the average user was unlikely to get access via ethernet.
I do know that when I started a job back in '03 they'd just bought a couple laptops that flat out didn't have RJ-45 ports and needed Ethernet PCMCIA cards.
I'm not going to deny that there were laptops available that didn't have them that late. The thing about PCs is that there are lots of options, including some terrible ones.
I'm just amused at the irony of seasoned PC people criticizing Apple for requiring dongles.
That's the difference right there "requiring".
If you want a high resolution OSX laptop you get no ethernet. With PC, for better or for worse, there were tons of options, if you "required a dongle" after 1997 its because you didn't buy the right laptop.
In 2012, if you want OSX you have to choose between a high resolution screen and ethernet. I have no issue with there being thin laptops with good screens and no ethernet for people who want that. But to not have a pro model with both features... even if its a bit thicker and heavier?
Meanwhile, Apple started including Ethernet ports on its laptops in 1994, almost 20 years ago.
"Roughly 10"...is more like 14-15. Almost 20? What is that actually? 18? That 10 year spread between 10 and 20 is more like 3-4 years tops.
You are right that there was a few years 95/96/97 where a lot of laptops didn't have it -- but the low end consumers really didn't need it - most were still on dialup and that was it. And the busienss oriented stuff had it in the docking station.
It was only actually an issue when laptops purchased in 95-97 were still being used in 98-02, and those were the people with the add-ons. The PC manufacturerers didn't really drag there heels that badly at all -- consumer/home laptops didn't really need ethernet until they got broadband at home. And much of the US still doesn't even have access to that yet, now, in 2012.
And the state of networking 20 years ago... 1992? Ethernet was pretty highend enterprise stuff and odds were if you had access to it, it was just in one place, and you had a docking station there. Even my hacker heaven home network... in 1992... was still using coax cable and terminators. Remember what an ethernet hub cost back then?
But I cannot see in any way why a consumer would not WANT to be able to pay for some premium network service with guaranteed levels of quality for one application (and by that I mean in the network sense) rather than having to pay for an entire internet connection with much greater speed and quality.
This is the opposite of network neutrality. On some level most people don't object to consumer paid for QoS for specific traffic. But the key is that the consumer is paying for that service level - not whoever out in 'the cloud' is providing the other endpoint.
Net neutrality is about comcast wanting to bill ME for the traffic THEIR customers request from my servers.
If their customers traffic to my server is using up too much of their infrastructure, build more infrastructure and bill their customers for it. But you don't get to come after me.
If most people don't use Ethernet most of the time, don't include it.
Half the offices I work in don't have wireless, and everyone plugs in their laptops. I'm skeptical that a signficant majority of people using macbook pro's at work are wireless.
This isn't a toy / consumer device... this is the 'pro' tool.
. I have a use for a laptop with a serial port (for embedded work), but I'm not about to pretend that a laptop without one plus a dongle isn't a big improvement.
The cisco cables are still rj45 to serial too. I have one in my laptop bag, along with a usb-serial adapter.
Ethernet is smaller than a serial port, but it's still thicker than they have room for.
I don't at all object to the existence of a super thin laptop without ethernet. To me the joke is that one has to choose between high res screen -or- ethernet.
Your laptop bag doesn't have a pocket for extras such as a PSU?
It does. But I often don't take my laptop bag everywhere. Its 20lbs of cables, adapters, and tools.
Often, if I just need my laptop I just take my laptop. It even has a battery in it.
Apple has launched the word's most advanced laptop today. Retina display, SSD, 7hours battery life, and so very thin.
If I have to carry a 20lb laptop bag wherever I go for the laptop to connect to anything I'm likely to need, then why should I be excited that its super thin?
Hey, They could have shaved another 1/2mm off if they left out the keyboard too...
Thinking about it further... they already redid the magsafe adapter for the new laptop...they should have integrated the ethernet connection there, and then had the ethernet jack in the power brick. If you need a wired connection, having the psu plugged in isn't the end of the world.
I've often thought it would be handy if the power brick doubled as a usb hub as well, given the dearth of ports.
Right, I just have to worry about breaking the dongle and possibly the port now.
One of the things I like about my macbook pro (and that i actively look for in laptops) is that there is nothing sticking out of it to catch on things and break.
A dongle sticking out of a usb port 24x7 is just begging to get completely wrecked.
If you were riding a bus, would you expect everyone to cover their ears?
I expect them to "hear" but not deliberately "listen", certainly not to "record", and absolutely not to maintain a linked set of recordings they have made of me at different times I have been on the bus.
This is the social contract most normal people live by.
They have an OSX option? No? Didn't think so. I have a macbook pro and for the most part i like it. I use the ethernet port pretty regularly for all sorts of things. Its not exactly a port i consider optional.
Oops, except since those are 2-3x as thick as this new laptop, you'd have to carry 15 Ethernet dongles to match their thickness and weight.
So I have to choose between running OSX and an ethernet port?
That's hardly going to break the budget for a top of the line $2,199 laptop buyer.
It has never really been about the price of the dongle. It is about the availability of functionality when I need it.
If I walk into an office that doesn't have wifi, they'll invariably point me to a wall jack and hand me an ethernet cable. They won't have a dongle. If I didn't bring mine, or forgot it, or lost it. Then I'm pretty much fucked.
A $2200 laptop where I have to carry around a separate bag of "parts" to restore the functionality that every other laptop has built in is a joke. The display adapters situation was bad enough.
First: copy-pasting is something only an imbecile could like.
Copy-Paste hate? really? how do you refactor code? or share a snippet? You retype it from scratch?
Second: Interesting how imbeciles write code in Haskell, Ocaml, F#
Really? Here I thought people used haskell because it was purely functional, and had pattern matching and lists, and other useful features. Are you suggesting this language's real appeal is the way it uses "whitespace" ? Who knew!
I'd suggest they put up with the white space rules for the rest of the languages features. That's what I do when I use Haskell.
But pre-emptive multitasking had been around since the 1970s on mainframes, and the 1980s on home systems (CP/M, AmigaOS, and QDOS). Even OS/2
So why did Windows users suffer with cooperative multitasking until nearly 2000?
The didn't have to. Windows NT 3.1 was full pre-emptive in 1993.
The reason we got stuck with the Win9x line as long as we did was that we the consumer wanted a) backwards compatibility b) game performance c) cheap computers that didn't need a lot of the then very expensive ram and disk space that NT needed to run
We were given the classic "cheap, fast, good" triangle, and we chose "cheap and fast". But NT was there for people who wanted good, and were willing to buy ram, and put up with the hardware restrictions that were the result of its smaller marketshare.
Confusion can arise when in some cases some people pronounce an acronym as a word, but others pronounce only the letters
A 3rd case is that some people also expand the acronym as they read them. For your SQL example you've got:
The "sequel" people The "ess-cue-ell" people and The "structured query language" people
(Although I doubt there are any of the latter for "SQL".) However, for many acronmyns, many people do just expand them when reading them... I, for example, usually subvocalize "IMHO" as "in my humble opinion", occasionally as "imm-hoe" and almost never as "i-em-aitch-oh"
We were being warned of the immenent human-driven catastrophe that would subsume our civilization and imperil human existance. That was 1977.
When a problem is described as "irreversible within a few GENERATIONS" then talking about it as something that's happening now, even over a 30+ year spread is perfectly valid.
I was one of those imbeciles that ridiculed the whites space
I still ridicule the white space.
White space is brilliant!
Formatted code is brilliant. Code that can't be copy and pasted reliably is still something only an imbecile could like.
if something:
do something
a bunch of stuff goes here
blah blah blah and this is after the if clause... for now
is not easier to read than
if (something) {
do something
a bunch of stuff goes here
blah blah blah } and this is after the if clause... and will reliably stay that way
And if the code with {} gets mangled by some editing, you just highlight it and reformat, and its back as it should be. Mangle the indenting/formatting in python, and you have to re-validate the semantics of the code.
A few {} do not make it harder to read, the code is trivially easily to prettify with automatic formatting (nobody has to look at unindented or all-on-one-line code in a {} language even if it was originally written that way), and I have found the structure is much more resilient to editing. If I'm editing away in something like notepad and delete the "blah blah blah" line in python there are good odds the "and this is after the if clause" will end up appended to the "a bunch of stuff goes here line" and then I'll hit return and have to think about whether its part of the if clause or not.
In C worst case, the } gets appended to that line and I press return to pop it down again, knowing that its closing the block.
"Problem 2" is what you ALREADY have when you buy an iThing.
Why should Microsoft be scrutinized harder than Apple in the ARM space? Why does Apple get a free pass, but "ARM must not tolerate being treated like this" by microsoft?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you... but I think all computing devices should be rootable by their owners, and I think that right should be protected by law, and the mechanisms to so should be included in systems... whether its a Win8 or iOS device.
That, to me, implies that there is some magical entity that exists that not only determines what is right and wrong, but also has told someone exactly what is right and wrong.
Philosophers have pretty thoroughly debunked the idea that morality requires a magical entity.
To him, the arguments he used could be perfectly valid
One should assume that much. The far more interesting question was, "Were they?"
Not if the accounting system for email cuts the users ability to send mail off when they hit a limit. For an average user 50 emails in a single day is probably enough, for even power users 500 is plenty. The user then has to log into something, and authorize another 50 or whatever.
Given the number of people on this planet, I don't see it as "highly unlikely." There are many different opinions, and you don't necessarily always agree with others.
But that is entirely beside the point. He doesn't have to find a reviewer he "always agrees with" he just has to find one (or several) whose reviews collectively are useful to him in narrowing down whether he'd like it.
Nobody is claiming he's has to find his "movie-review-soul-mate". He doesn't need to.
You stated it as a fact.
That's your opinion.
(Did you see what i did there? Did you see how pointless it was when I did it? It was equally so when you did it.)
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What bad thing would happen if you ordered it from http://www.apple.com/ like I did this morning?
If I forgot it or misplaced it it would be a significant inconvenience. If I show up at a tradeshow, it will be over before the replacement dongle arrives.
The last time something like that happened to a coworker -- where he forgot some stupid video adapter dongle (mini-dvi is a pretty useless port to have on a laptop too), he ended up buying a new laptop, because at least he could get THAT the same afternoon, rather than wait 2 days for some special order rinky-dink dongle.
Do you *really* have a need to use wired ethernet *everywhere* you go?
No. If it was everywhere it would actually be easier to remember, albeit even stupider to have to carry around. But I move from client office to client office. Some have wifi, some don't. Sometimes the wifi is a more isolated "guest" network and I need wired to reach servers etc.
Also "Internet Sharing" in OSX works really well. I often make my macbook pro into an access point for other wifi devices. And I regularly go the other way too... to connect a wired desktop to the mac via ethernet to get it on the wifi.
I also use ethernet for large transfers and backups. Sure it works over wifi, but it works a LOT faster over the gigabit switch.
So while I don't use ethernet on my laptop every day, I do use it regularly.
When I leave the house I somehow remember to put on underwear and shoes, and if I need to take my laptop, I generally remember to take that too.
I love this silly argument that you've made a couple times now. You are saying that because its easy to remember to put shoes on before you go somewhere its therefore easy to remember some small occasionally used dongle that one may or may not need. Do you REALLY think that this is a valid line of reasoning?
I'm sure you've met countless people who have forgotten to bring something or other somewhere. Now compare that with how often someone has shown up naked having forgotten to get dressed.
Maybe just maybe some things are much easier to remember than other things.
and if I need to take my laptop, I generally remember to take that too. The dongle attached to it will be no different.
Why would the dongle be attached to it when i'm packing up to leave? What if I haven't used it for 3 days and its still dangling off the ethernet cable at the office? Out of sight. Out of mind. Unlike the laptop itself... or my shoes.
Don't bother pretending they are the same. They aren't.
It's $29. Buy them one and expense it.
Buy it where? Just step outside and the hot dog vendor has them? Or do I have to drive halfway accross town to the one place that has 2 left in stock... and that's this year. 2 years from now its a special order part from another state.
Totally, because there have *never* been issues with running data millimeters away from power and transformers.
Are you suggesting it can't work?
Because Lenovo already made an ac adapter with a usb hub. One of the usb ports could eveb be used to charge a usb device without being plugged into the laptop. Great little item.
Most USB devices have downstream ports, and the need for multiple ports conflicts with your obsession with not plugging anything into the laptop.
a) Most usb devices do not have ports.
b) I don't have an obsession with not plugging things into the laptop. I have an obsession with not plugging things into other things that then themselves plug into the laptop, and having to carry these other things around with me everywhere I go, when i should be able to just plug things directly into the laptop.
That social contract goes against basic human freedoms
No, it doesn't.
So it should be illegal for someone to use a video camera in public?
Not at all.
Just because someone chooses to do it on a larger scale and actually use the information is still just practicing a basic right.
If someone follows me around with a video camera making a documentary of my habits to post onlin, and sell to advertisers, that is miles away from someone video taping their own kids as I walk by in the background.
Can you REALLY not see a difference?
But trying to regulate it has nearly infinite costs and millions of use cases to independently judge.
The video camera industry has managed just fine. Even shows like COPS manage it. Either someone is a paid actor / signed a waiver, or they get blurred out before they can use the captured footage. It doesn't have infinite costs and millions of use cases.
Same could (and should) apply to the internet.
In your earlier comment you wrote "It is about the availability of functionality when I need it.
Fair enough but the in the mid 90 the average user was unlikely to get access via ethernet.
I do know that when I started a job back in '03 they'd just bought a couple laptops that flat out didn't have RJ-45 ports and needed Ethernet PCMCIA cards.
I'm not going to deny that there were laptops available that didn't have them that late. The thing about PCs is that there are lots of options, including some terrible ones.
I'm just amused at the irony of seasoned PC people criticizing Apple for requiring dongles.
That's the difference right there "requiring".
If you want a high resolution OSX laptop you get no ethernet. With PC, for better or for worse, there were tons of options, if you "required a dongle" after 1997 its because you didn't buy the right laptop.
In 2012, if you want OSX you have to choose between a high resolution screen and ethernet. I have no issue with there being thin laptops with good screens and no ethernet for people who want that. But to not have a pro model with both features... even if its a bit thicker and heavier?
Meanwhile, Apple started including Ethernet ports on its laptops in 1994, almost 20 years ago.
"Roughly 10"...is more like 14-15. Almost 20? What is that actually? 18? That 10 year spread between 10 and 20 is more like 3-4 years tops.
You are right that there was a few years 95/96/97 where a lot of laptops didn't have it -- but the low end consumers really didn't need it - most were still on dialup and that was it. And the busienss oriented stuff had it in the docking station.
It was only actually an issue when laptops purchased in 95-97 were still being used in 98-02, and those were the people with the add-ons. The PC manufacturerers didn't really drag there heels that badly at all -- consumer/home laptops didn't really need ethernet until they got broadband at home. And much of the US still doesn't even have access to that yet, now, in 2012.
And the state of networking 20 years ago ... 1992? Ethernet was pretty highend enterprise stuff and odds were if you had access to it, it was just in one place, and you had a docking station there. Even my hacker heaven home network ... in 1992... was still using coax cable and terminators. Remember what an ethernet hub cost back then?
But I cannot see in any way why a consumer would not WANT to be able to pay for some premium network service with guaranteed levels of quality for one application (and by that I mean in the network sense) rather than having to pay for an entire internet connection with much greater speed and quality.
This is the opposite of network neutrality. On some level most people don't object to consumer paid for QoS for specific traffic. But the key is that the consumer is paying for that service level - not whoever out in 'the cloud' is providing the other endpoint.
Net neutrality is about comcast wanting to bill ME for the traffic THEIR customers request from my servers.
If their customers traffic to my server is using up too much of their infrastructure, build more infrastructure and bill their customers for it. But you don't get to come after me.
If most people don't use Ethernet most of the time, don't include it.
Half the offices I work in don't have wireless, and everyone plugs in their laptops. I'm skeptical that a signficant majority of people using macbook pro's at work are wireless.
This isn't a toy / consumer device... this is the 'pro' tool.
. I have a use for a laptop with a serial port (for embedded work), but I'm not about to pretend that a laptop without one plus a dongle isn't a big improvement.
The cisco cables are still rj45 to serial too. I have one in my laptop bag, along with a usb-serial adapter.
Ethernet is smaller than a serial port, but it's still thicker than they have room for.
I don't at all object to the existence of a super thin laptop without ethernet. To me the joke is that one has to choose between high res screen -or- ethernet.
"Separate bag"?
Yes.
Your laptop bag doesn't have a pocket for extras such as a PSU?
It does. But I often don't take my laptop bag everywhere. Its 20lbs of cables, adapters, and tools.
Often, if I just need my laptop I just take my laptop. It even has a battery in it.
Apple has launched the word's most advanced laptop today. Retina display, SSD, 7hours battery life, and so very thin.
If I have to carry a 20lb laptop bag wherever I go for the laptop to connect to anything I'm likely to need, then why should I be excited that its super thin?
Hey, They could have shaved another 1/2mm off if they left out the keyboard too...
Thinking about it further... they already redid the magsafe adapter for the new laptop...they should have integrated the ethernet connection there, and then had the ethernet jack in the power brick. If you need a wired connection, having the psu plugged in isn't the end of the world.
I've often thought it would be handy if the power brick doubled as a usb hub as well, given the dearth of ports.
and you don't have to worry about it anymore.
Right, I just have to worry about breaking the dongle and possibly the port now.
One of the things I like about my macbook pro (and that i actively look for in laptops) is that there is nothing sticking out of it to catch on things and break.
A dongle sticking out of a usb port 24x7 is just begging to get completely wrecked.
If you were riding a bus, would you expect everyone to cover their ears?
I expect them to "hear" but not deliberately "listen", certainly not to "record", and absolutely not to maintain a linked set of recordings they have made of me at different times I have been on the bus.
This is the social contract most normal people live by.
Then buy a Dell or Thinkpad.
They have an OSX option? No? Didn't think so. I have a macbook pro and for the most part i like it. I use the ethernet port pretty regularly for all sorts of things. Its not exactly a port i consider optional.
Oops, except since those are 2-3x as thick as this new laptop, you'd have to carry 15 Ethernet dongles to match their thickness and weight.
So I have to choose between running OSX and an ethernet port?
Yes, that's a "joke".
That's hardly going to break the budget for a top of the line $2,199 laptop buyer.
It has never really been about the price of the dongle. It is about the availability of functionality when I need it.
If I walk into an office that doesn't have wifi, they'll invariably point me to a wall jack and hand me an ethernet cable. They won't have a dongle. If I didn't bring mine, or forgot it, or lost it. Then I'm pretty much fucked.
A $2200 laptop where I have to carry around a separate bag of "parts" to restore the functionality that every other laptop has built in is a joke. The display adapters situation was bad enough.
First: copy-pasting is something only an imbecile could like.
Copy-Paste hate? really? how do you refactor code? or share a snippet? You retype it from scratch?
Second: Interesting how imbeciles write code in Haskell, Ocaml, F#
Really? Here I thought people used haskell because it was purely functional, and had pattern matching and lists, and other useful features. Are you suggesting this language's real appeal is the way it uses "whitespace" ? Who knew!
I'd suggest they put up with the white space rules for the rest of the languages features. That's what I do when I use Haskell.
But pre-emptive multitasking had been around since the 1970s on mainframes, and the 1980s on home systems (CP/M, AmigaOS, and QDOS). Even OS/2
So why did Windows users suffer with cooperative multitasking until nearly 2000?
The didn't have to. Windows NT 3.1 was full pre-emptive in 1993.
The reason we got stuck with the Win9x line as long as we did was that we the consumer wanted
a) backwards compatibility
b) game performance
c) cheap computers that didn't need a lot of the then very expensive ram and disk space that NT needed to run
We were given the classic "cheap, fast, good" triangle, and we chose "cheap and fast". But NT was there for people who wanted good, and were willing to buy ram, and put up with the hardware restrictions that were the result of its smaller marketshare.
I benefited from living with my parents my whole childhood...
And now you won't lift a finger for them because you aren't required to by law?
Confusion can arise when in some cases some people pronounce an acronym as a word, but others pronounce only the letters
A 3rd case is that some people also expand the acronym as they read them. For your SQL example you've got:
The "sequel" people
The "ess-cue-ell" people
and
The "structured query language" people
(Although I doubt there are any of the latter for "SQL".) However, for many acronmyns, many people do just expand them when reading them... I, for example, usually subvocalize "IMHO" as "in my humble opinion", occasionally as "imm-hoe" and almost never as "i-em-aitch-oh"
We were being warned of the immenent human-driven catastrophe that would subsume our civilization and imperil human existance. That was 1977.
When a problem is described as "irreversible within a few GENERATIONS" then talking about it as something that's happening now, even over a 30+ year spread is perfectly valid.
I was one of those imbeciles that ridiculed the whites space
I still ridicule the white space.
White space is brilliant!
Formatted code is brilliant. Code that can't be copy and pasted reliably is still something only an imbecile could like.
if something:
do something
a bunch of stuff goes here
blah blah blah
and this is after the if clause... for now
is not easier to read than
if (something)
{
do something
a bunch of stuff goes here
blah blah blah
}
and this is after the if clause... and will reliably stay that way
And if the code with {} gets mangled by some editing, you just highlight it and reformat, and its back as it should be. Mangle the indenting/formatting in python, and you have to re-validate the semantics of the code.
A few {} do not make it harder to read, the code is trivially easily to prettify with automatic formatting (nobody has to look at unindented or all-on-one-line code in a {} language even if it was originally written that way), and I have found the structure is much more resilient to editing. If I'm editing away in something like notepad and delete the "blah blah blah" line in python there are good odds the "and this is after the if clause" will end up appended to the "a bunch of stuff goes here line" and then I'll hit return and have to think about whether its part of the if clause or not.
In C worst case, the } gets appended to that line and I press return to pop it down again, knowing that its closing the block.
Problem 2) should be addresses ASAP.
"Problem 2" is what you ALREADY have when you buy an iThing.
Why should Microsoft be scrutinized harder than Apple in the ARM space? Why does Apple get a free pass, but "ARM must not tolerate being treated like this" by microsoft?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you... but I think all computing devices should be rootable by their owners, and I think that right should be protected by law, and the mechanisms to so should be included in systems... whether its a Win8 or iOS device.
That, to me, implies that there is some magical entity that exists that not only determines what is right and wrong, but also has told someone exactly what is right and wrong.
Philosophers have pretty thoroughly debunked the idea that morality requires a magical entity.
To him, the arguments he used could be perfectly valid
One should assume that much. The far more interesting question was, "Were they?"
That is an option, but I doubt that's what he wants to do.
Even if the movie industry only made movies he enjoyed I predict he'd still not want to pay for them.
Perhaps he doesn't believe he ever lost the "moral high ground" to begin with.
Even he knows its wrong, hence the nonsensical arguments to attempt to justify it.
But not wasting money on them.
He could also just not watch them. Save his money and retain the moral high ground.
After all, he never said his goal was to watch crappy movies for free, which is all that he's accomplished.
Is that why you're responding to me now?
Why do you ask?
And since that is error prone, that might be inadequate for him.
His current solution has him watching crappy movies too. "Inadequate" sums up every element of his argument.
Therefore, what I said wasn't an opinion, but a fact.
In your opinion.
Not if the accounting system for email cuts the users ability to send mail off when they hit a limit. For an average user 50 emails in a single day is probably enough, for even power users 500 is plenty. The user then has to log into something, and authorize another 50 or whatever.
I was simply responding to something you said.
So... a response for the sake of responding then?
Given the number of people on this planet, I don't see it as "highly unlikely." There are many different opinions, and you don't necessarily always agree with others.
But that is entirely beside the point. He doesn't have to find a reviewer he "always agrees with" he just has to find one (or several) whose reviews collectively are useful to him in narrowing down whether he'd like it.
Nobody is claiming he's has to find his "movie-review-soul-mate". He doesn't need to.
You stated it as a fact.
That's your opinion.
(Did you see what i did there? Did you see how pointless it was when I did it? It was equally so when you did it.)