I would really, REALLY like to know exactly how much work that machine is doing, or if it's just sitting there idle. No, I'm not trolling - it's a serious question.
And yes, it DOES matter what the uptime for the box can be. Because if the box can't stay up, it doesn't matter how reliable the applications are (or are not). That was my point.
I'm sorry, but this seems to be a bit of a non-story
Mickeysoft can't stop anybody from boting anything. THe boot process is handled by the bios and the boot sectors on the disk, which can't be encrypted unless the bios cooperates.
If the bios cooperates, it still has to be able to read said boot sectors, and if it can read windows boot info, it can read linux boot info, or anything ELSE you want to put in there.
So "difficult to dual-boot" is as far as I can tell, CRAP.
As for sharing data between the two systems... I give it less than a month after release untill somebody has been able to figure out how to pull the data from there.
On what information are you basing this statement? If you looked at the stats (several comments above have the links) you'll see that IIS 6 compares very well against Apache. When you're making these statements, do you mention these statistics? I'm guessing not. There are plenty of reasons to use Apache over IIS, but security is not top of the list.
I hate religous wars, but what the hell - it's been a while since I've been in a good jihad (kidding)
Seriously - I have never used IIS, and never will. It has nothing to do with open source (apache) vs microsoft (IIS). It has nothing to do with the TCO, featureset, availability of support between the two, or anything else that anything to do with those two particular package.
It's simply this:
When I run apache, it's running on a system that routinly has system uptimes in the range of XXX days (I don't get more because my local power sucks).
When I run IIS, I have uptimes that run in uptimes in the range of X (maybe XX, if lucky) days before you have to "schedule" a reboot.
If I'm running something "mission critical", folks, it's critical, and I need it to BE there. Anybody betting their business on an operating system as unreliable as windows seriously needs to rethink the technical compitence of their IT staff.
if IIS is so freaking "secure", then why do I have rules in my apache configuration trying to detect URLS that include things like "/MSADC", "/c/...", "/_", "/uri-res", etc, so I can block all those infected machines that keep trying to infect ME?
Less to know my arse - it's more like wilfull ignorance
There's a big difference between a clusterfuck and a conspiracy. What I've never been able to get over is people's inability to differentiate between the two.
now, THAT link was a good recommendation..... This, from that page:
Symantec believe that it is unwise to maintain user forums, but as a bonus to loyal Phoenix Labs users all user data will be transferred to our marketing department (as well as specially selected partners) in order to offer you a number of special deals and free prize draws.
Spyware/adware is EVIL........ but spam is ok, so we're gonna let our marketing department annoy the crap out of you and your ISP's mail admins
you're right - it's very, very, VERY wrong - and it's pretty obvious that that "survey" was done simply to push their opinion
I just took that survey myself - and I'm a "tightrope walker" - I only got 5 of 8 right.
And I only got 5 of 8 right because you have to GUESS which ones are right, and which ones are not. If you've never heard of those sites before (and I hadn't), you're flipping a coin.
No, I'm not dismissing it at all - I was just trying to make the point that sometimes, a GUI is best.... and sometimes, a shell. That's why they're still around. Too many people seem to be of the opinion that if you use - or want - a shell, then you're some old fart who hasn't learned anything in 20 years.
I may be an old fart, but there's nothing brain-dead about me.
You're missing the point, which is that the people who use the MOST power (heating, lighting, and yes, air conditioners in the summer) can use solar the least - because we don't get as much as you do.
Solar, Wind, Hydro, etc - all "natural" power sources depend on the location - and where you are is not always where *it* is
Um, it's not just about writing scripts, it's about all of the command-line tools being able to understand structured data.
There's only one small, slight little problem with that.......
The WORLD is unstructured, and it's data reflects that. In narrow domains, for specific applications, you can define & impose structure on something - but to anything outside that domain, the structure is meaningless... and therefore, appears to be unstructured (even if it is formatted all nice and pretty)
After visiting Hawaii I am convinced this is feeseable. Nearly every home I saw in Maui had solar hot water heaters on them, and nearly every business had a PV array and solar hot water heaters on their roofs.
Try visiting the northern US or...... *gasp*.... CANADA - preferably in Feb, and see how convinced you are.
You've heard of Canada, right? The place with about 8 hourse of daylight PERIOD per day that time of year? Scandanavia, Russia....... pretty well anything outside of the tropics.
In Hawaii or Arizona/California/Florida, etc, you have a perfect situation. You have the most sunlight when you need the most power (for AC, etc)
Most of the rest of us, however, are in a diffferenct situation. We need heat at night. Hell - I grew up in Labrador, where we had to plug our cars in, both day AND night, if we didn't want the oil inside to freeze solid.
Hawaii might be able to go %100 green...... but it's very much the exception, not the rule.
I'm not sure that you're grasping the nature of business.
This isn't a collection of nerds high on jolt and twinkies - this is a group of serious boardroom-type suits.
What theyr'e trying to do if figure out how Open Source can HELP them, and how they can "sell" the use of open source to their PHBs.
To do that, theyr'e gonna have to discuss a whole bunch of business concerns, and for it to be usefull, they're also going to have to get into some aspects of their companies that they will NOT want to become generally known.
Yes, they're looking after their own interests. Some of that is going to be how to figure out how to get feature X, Y or Z into the next relase of whatever 2.3.
But a lot MORE of their interest is in their businesses, and they want to discuss it with others who have the same problems and concerns, not a bunch of techies.
Maybe it's just me, but what's so freaking social about trying to have a conversation with somebody who's busy "social networking" on his freaking phone while you're trying to talk to them?
People gotta learn to put the damned things away occasionally.
Jacknis said easily available firewalls would protect credit card transactions, for example, from being detected by a hacker posted outside a dry cleaner that uses a wireless network.
Please, God, tell me that that's shitty reporting, and not the considered opinion of somebody who's passing laws.........
This is just a bad idea. Not only is this not going through the W3C as it should to be standardized, but many sites do pixel positioning to have ultimate control over their design. This could throw that out of wack (it looks like this only affects CSS and not pictures/spacers some developers use)
Sorry, but I think that anybody who does pixel positioning on a website should be shot.
When you start specifying font sizes, absolute positioning, and get into things as fine-grained as pixel positioning, you're overriding what *I* want to see.
I may have a bad monitor - I may have bad eyesight, or whatever - it doesn't matter.
If your website depends that much on the preciceness of the rendering, then I think you need to rethink how you do things.
NOTHING is more annoying than having to squint because some dickweed decided he likes 5 point fonts, or going blind because he likes 20 point... or the all-too-common-nowdays green text on black background. Didn't we go with graphic terminals to get AWAY from that?
Web designers need to spend more time thinking about their users, and less time thinking of themselves as "artistes"
IT IS OFFICIAL; MIGRATION OF CANADA GEESE IS A MYTH
Readers and editors at Bird Watcher's Digest have been insisting for years the the Canada Goose migrates south for the winter, and north for the summer.
According to an exhaustive statistical analysis conducted at the University of Montreal and Florida State University, this has now been shown to not be the case
The study, to be released on Tuesday jointly by Agriculture Canada and the US Wildlife service, show that the real reason for the seasonal movements of the Geese is simple and deceptivly straight-forward
It seems they're just following the old folks that feed them.
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Actually, most of the power lines flow south, to help you lot out already. So I guess maybe you *should* care about Canada.
I would really, REALLY like to know exactly how much work that machine is doing, or if it's just sitting there idle. No, I'm not trolling - it's a serious question.
And yes, it DOES matter what the uptime for the box can be. Because if the box can't stay up, it doesn't matter how reliable the applications are (or are not). That was my point.
ummmmm ..... for me, that would be 850 gig (2-250s, and a 350)
:-)
Where does it say that the only thing a geek can be obsessive about is p0rn?
No, just anti-dual-boot.
Please explain to me how this is going to prevent you from dual-booting
I'm sorry, but this seems to be a bit of a non-story
... I give it less than a month after release untill somebody has been able to figure out how to pull the data from there.
Mickeysoft can't stop anybody from boting anything. THe boot process is handled by the bios and the boot sectors on the disk, which can't be encrypted unless the bios cooperates.
If the bios cooperates, it still has to be able to read said boot sectors, and if it can read windows boot info, it can read linux boot info, or anything ELSE you want to put in there.
So "difficult to dual-boot" is as far as I can tell, CRAP.
As for sharing data between the two systems
On what information are you basing this statement? If you looked at the stats (several comments above have the links) you'll see that IIS 6 compares very well against Apache. When you're making these statements, do you mention these statistics? I'm guessing not. There are plenty of reasons to use Apache over IIS, but security is not top of the list.
I hate religous wars, but what the hell - it's been a while since I've been in a good jihad (kidding)
Seriously - I have never used IIS, and never will. It has nothing to do with open source (apache) vs microsoft (IIS). It has nothing to do with the TCO, featureset, availability of support between the two, or anything else that anything to do with those two particular package.
It's simply this:
When I run apache, it's running on a system that routinly has system uptimes in the range of XXX days (I don't get more because my local power sucks). When I run IIS, I have uptimes that run in uptimes in the range of X (maybe XX, if lucky) days before you have to "schedule" a reboot.
If I'm running something "mission critical", folks, it's critical, and I need it to BE there. Anybody betting their business on an operating system as unreliable as windows seriously needs to rethink the technical compitence of their IT staff.
if IIS is so freaking "secure", then why do I have rules in my apache configuration trying to detect URLS that include things like "/MSADC", "/c/...", "/_", "/uri-res", etc, so I can block all those infected machines that keep trying to infect ME?
Less to know my arse - it's more like wilfull ignorance
amazing the things you can learn when you read the man page, ain't it? :-)
There's a big difference between a clusterfuck and a conspiracy. What I've never been able to get over is people's inability to differentiate between the two.
now, THAT link was a good recommendation ..... This, from that page:
........ but spam is ok, so we're gonna let our marketing department annoy the crap out of you and your ISP's mail admins
Symantec believe that it is unwise to maintain user forums, but as a bonus to loyal Phoenix Labs users all user data will be transferred to our marketing department (as well as specially selected partners) in order to offer you a number of special deals and free prize draws.
Spyware/adware is EVIL
you're right - it's very, very, VERY wrong - and it's pretty obvious that that "survey" was done simply to push their opinion
I just took that survey myself - and I'm a "tightrope walker" - I only got 5 of 8 right.
And I only got 5 of 8 right because you have to GUESS which ones are right, and which ones are not. If you've never heard of those sites before (and I hadn't), you're flipping a coin.
actually, it does - but I forgot the proper invocation
/x/y/z.jpg /x/y/z.jpg .jpg
basename
z.jpg
basename
z
No, I'm not dismissing it at all - I was just trying to make the point that sometimes, a GUI is best .... and sometimes, a shell. That's why they're still around. Too many people seem to be of the opinion that if you use - or want - a shell, then you're some old fart who hasn't learned anything in 20 years.
I may be an old fart, but there's nothing brain-dead about me.
You're missing the point, which is that the people who use the MOST power (heating, lighting, and yes, air conditioners in the summer) can use solar the least - because we don't get as much as you do.
Solar, Wind, Hydro, etc - all "natural" power sources depend on the location - and where you are is not always where *it* is
So how is what they're doing any different from what RedHat does?
And 20 years ago, people thought GUIs were a toy. They liked shells, and they'd state similar reasons to yours.
........
...........
And yet 20 years later, shells are still here
There are only two possible conclusions:
a) people who have used shells are so stupid and/or brain-damaged that they can't do anything any other way
b) Sometimes, a shell really is a better tool for the job
I think I'm gonna go with Door #2 again
dir.each(file) { if (file.getName().endsWith(".jpg") { file.rename(file.getName().replace("jpg", "jpeg")) }}
.........
for i in *.jpg
do
mv $i `basename $i`.jpeg
done
Personally, I think I'll go with Door #2
Um, it's not just about writing scripts, it's about all of the command-line tools being able to understand structured data.
.......
... and therefore, appears to be unstructured (even if it is formatted all nice and pretty)
There's only one small, slight little problem with that
The WORLD is unstructured, and it's data reflects that. In narrow domains, for specific applications, you can define & impose structure on something - but to anything outside that domain, the structure is meaningless
After visiting Hawaii I am convinced this is feeseable. Nearly every home I saw in Maui had solar hot water heaters on them, and nearly every business had a PV array and solar hot water heaters on their roofs.
...... *gasp* .... CANADA - preferably in Feb, and see how convinced you are.
....... pretty well anything outside of the tropics.
...... but it's very much the exception, not the rule.
Try visiting the northern US or
You've heard of Canada, right? The place with about 8 hourse of daylight PERIOD per day that time of year? Scandanavia, Russia
In Hawaii or Arizona/California/Florida, etc, you have a perfect situation. You have the most sunlight when you need the most power (for AC, etc)
Most of the rest of us, however, are in a diffferenct situation. We need heat at night. Hell - I grew up in Labrador, where we had to plug our cars in, both day AND night, if we didn't want the oil inside to freeze solid.
Hawaii might be able to go %100 green
I'm not sure that you're grasping the nature of business.
This isn't a collection of nerds high on jolt and twinkies - this is a group of serious boardroom-type suits.
What theyr'e trying to do if figure out how Open Source can HELP them, and how they can "sell" the use of open source to their PHBs.
To do that, theyr'e gonna have to discuss a whole bunch of business concerns, and for it to be usefull, they're also going to have to get into some aspects of their companies that they will NOT want to become generally known.
Yes, they're looking after their own interests. Some of that is going to be how to figure out how to get feature X, Y or Z into the next relase of whatever 2.3.
But a lot MORE of their interest is in their businesses, and they want to discuss it with others who have the same problems and concerns, not a bunch of techies.
(Also, if it is a question of invading other countries, why didn't they include France? :-P)
:-)
France is the *perfect* country for mickeysoft to invade. We wouldn't want them to start innovating NOW, would we?
Maybe it's just me, but what's so freaking social about trying to have a conversation with somebody who's busy "social networking" on his freaking phone while you're trying to talk to them?
People gotta learn to put the damned things away occasionally.
Jacknis said easily available firewalls would protect credit card transactions, for example, from being detected by a hacker posted outside a dry cleaner that uses a wireless network.
.........
Please, God, tell me that that's shitty reporting, and not the considered opinion of somebody who's passing laws
This is just a bad idea. Not only is this not going through the W3C as it should to be standardized, but many sites do pixel positioning to have ultimate control over their design. This could throw that out of wack (it looks like this only affects CSS and not pictures/spacers some developers use)
... or the all-too-common-nowdays green text on black background. Didn't we go with graphic terminals to get AWAY from that?
Sorry, but I think that anybody who does pixel positioning on a website should be shot.
When you start specifying font sizes, absolute positioning, and get into things as fine-grained as pixel positioning, you're overriding what *I* want to see.
I may have a bad monitor - I may have bad eyesight, or whatever - it doesn't matter.
If your website depends that much on the preciceness of the rendering, then I think you need to rethink how you do things.
NOTHING is more annoying than having to squint because some dickweed decided he likes 5 point fonts, or going blind because he likes 20 point
Web designers need to spend more time thinking about their users, and less time thinking of themselves as "artistes"
IT IS OFFICIAL; MIGRATION OF CANADA GEESE IS A MYTH
Readers and editors at Bird Watcher's Digest have been insisting for years the the Canada Goose migrates south for the winter, and north for the summer.
According to an exhaustive statistical analysis conducted at the University of Montreal and Florida State University, this has now been shown to not be the case
The study, to be released on Tuesday jointly by Agriculture Canada and the US Wildlife service, show that the real reason for the seasonal movements of the Geese is simple and deceptivly straight-forward
It seems they're just following the old folks that feed them.