Slashdot Mirror
Canadian Music Stars Fight Against DRM
An anonymous reader writes "Some of Canada's best known musicians, including Avril Lavigne, Sarah
McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies, have formed a new copyright coalition.
The artists say in a press
release that they oppose file sharing lawsuits, the use of DRM, and
DMCA-style legislation and that they want record labels to stop
claiming that they represent their views."
Comment removed based on user account deletion
I am from Quebec and finally proud to be Canadian ! Way to go guys !
If Sarah McLachlan opposes DRM so much why did she have it on one of her CDs? As a matter of fact the CD I'm talking about was one of the Sony rootkit CDs.
Why don't American artist replicate this type of coalition? We let Canada beat us!! Canada!
Purple, because ice cream has no bones.
Record companies like profit?
*shocked*
i guess
However my guess would be that it is something along the lines of
- Her label did it, not her
- She is opposed to her label having done it, and
- This is why she is starting a public pressure group specifically designed to get her label to stop doing such things.
Perhaps you will suggest that Sarah McLachlan should have used her leverage as an artist with the label to prevent them from engaging in such practices with her music at the time the CD was released. If you do this, I will laugh until I pass out from lack of oxygen.I took it back to Woolworths the week I brought it. It skipped badly on my Sony Vaio - my computer is my audio rig, and with the speaks I had hooked up at the time, I certainly wanted it to stay that way.
Just last week I saw the Sarah McLachlan DVD and thought, "stupid drm" and not about the artist. I will force myself to see her in a better light now, but if she's not touring near me, I can't exactly give her the money I want to (by buying her material) because although she's going the right away about things _now_, her cds on the shelf are still DRMed.
In the end I was forced to I download Afterglow. I became a pirate because I couldnt experience the music on my, and on my creative zen.
For an artist I discovered via napster a long time ago, this sure does suck. Are they trying to lock me out of the market, or really fence us into a no-rip-no-choice era? Either way I see it, when I can't use WhateverAMP and my mp3 player, they've lost me as a customer.
Matt
Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.
No need to post as AC to admit that. Now, if you'd said Gordon Lightfoot and Bryan Adams on the other hand...
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
TFA: "Canada's leading artists to speak for themselves."
Yet there is no mention of Bryan Adams.
What kind of a hoax is this?
I 3 Canada :)
Whoo, signature!
DesireCampbell.com
Bush: Also apart of the Axis of Evil >_>
Actually, Bush is a British band.
I was going to blog about this, but I'm feeling lazy tonight.
First of all, like RMS, I hate applying the term "piracy" to non-commercial copyright violations, so I won't use that term. Instead, I'll call it what it is, unauthorized copying.
Unauthorized copying is to the RIAA what "terrorism" is to the Bush Adminstration, namely, a scapegoat and a straw man argument with which to justify draconian legislation and to garner (barely) sufficient public support for any new legislation favoured by both institutions.
As the Bush Adminstration maintains the conditions (ex: War on Iraq) to indirectly promote terrorism, it justifies renewing the Patriot Act on the basis that it will "help stop terrorism". To make a blatantly obvious statement, the goal of the Patriot Act does not in any way, shape, or form have anything whatsoever to do with stop terrorists, but is instead intended to grant the government the ability to further spy on and control its citizens.
In the same vein, I believe that the RIAA wishes to maintain a certain level of unauthorized copying because it will allow them to justify legislation such as the DMCA and the broadcast flag. The goal of such legislation is not to eliminate or even substantially reduce unauthorized copying, but to maintain control over the industry and keep out fledging competitors, such as independent artists who would have otherwise been promoted through P2P, and to maintain their antiquated business models, which for all intents and purposes should have become obsolete.
So, it's all an elaborate shell game on their part.
This space left intentionally blank.
from their record contracts.
p /DRM
Several of Sarah McLachlan's CDs are DRM'd:
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/004144.php
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~freeculture/wiki/index.ph
(data unavailable for the other members, but it wouldn't surprise me), and almost all (Broken Social Scene and possibly a couple others being exceptions) are currently signed to RIAA/CRIA member labels. Most have released albums with those labels in the last couple years - i.e., since the campaign of lawsuits started.
Put your money where your mouth is, folks.
Long time no see
"...we wouldn't have to download torrents!"
"But we would download torrents! In fact, we'd just download more!"
ShortFormBlog: Writing a little. Saying a lot.
Nothing gets me hotter then listening to 'The Sinking of the Edmund Fitzgeral' sung by Bryan Adams.
yikes.
Gordon Lightfoot did the worse thing for his song that anyone could do. He bequethed it to the famil members of the men that dies.
So now to get permission to use it, you half to tlak to dozens of people abut the worse day of their lives. Effectivly locking it up.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
hipster teen slacker force unite!!!
>> Avril Lavigne
I don't know anything about the person or her music, but that name always sounds like a feminine hygiene product to me.
What the artists think is totally irrelevant in Canada. Downloading copyrighted music is completely legal here (for now).
(Not to mention justified since consumers here pay a "pirate-tax" on all blank CD purchases, effectively paying for the music they might potentially "steal")
...Do this for the good ole' US of A? We *need* this. It's gotten to the point where art is directed by non-artists, and that's WRONG.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
For security, the MD5 hash of this message and sig is 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.
It's no surprise that Avril Lavigne would do something like this... given her huge punk heritage and following, her fans would definitely get pissed off and leave her negative® text messages if she didn't rebel.
Here's what these artists are saying...
On DRM: "Consumers should be able to transfer the music they buy to other formats under a right of fair use, without having to pay twice."
On P2P file sharing: "Fans who share music are not thieves or pirates. Sharing music has been happening for decades."
On DMCA "the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act is one of the world's most draconian pieces of intellectual-property law."
On Lawsuits: "Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical. We do not want to sue our fans. The labels have been suing our fans against our will, and laws enabling these suits cannot be justified in our names."
Members include: Sum 41, Blue Rodeo, Barenaked Ladies, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlan, Our Lady Peace and Sloan to name a few.
I don't know about the other artists but BNL's contract with Reprise Records expired in 2003. Technically they're independent (again), although the records are still being distributed by Warner.
And there's no sign of DRM on 2004's Barenaked For The Holidays. That's the album that was re-released on a USB key full of DRM unencumbered (but still lossy) MP3s last year...
instead of just taking it (without paying) why not send a cheque to the artist, make it payable to him/her personally (not their fan club or record company) and send it to her/him/them with a note saying , i downloaded your music and here is some appreciation
just a thought
A.
It looks like at least a few artists have come to realize that the music industry cartel's stand on DRM is not helpful to artists. If they can get more artists on the bandwagon, they may be able to influence the debate. It's a helluva lot more difficult for the labels to convince people that DRM "helps artists" when the artists themselves are against it.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Their last ("You forgot it in people") album had a limited initial run with the copy protection. When the band found out they put a stop to it. See this link for an interview excerpt. Mind you, they're the biggest act on Arts&Crafts' label so that probably had a huge influence too.
I actually bought the copy-protected one (which wasn't labeled as such) and the label offered to replace it. HMV wouldn't.
Wearing pants should always be optional.
If there ever was a use for Fark's tags on Slashdot, this is one that deserves a big spankin [Hero] tag.
If there is one way to convince a larger segment of the population of what is going on, and consequently convince lawmakers that they are going in the wrong direction, this is it. Spread this movement, in Canada, in US and in Europe, and we have a chance against the labels and their legislation-buying money.
Yes, this is the way to go.
Wow, that represents about 80% of my beat-off fantasy time right there.
really?
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
and Celine Dion makes up the remaining 20%?
Or you could have gone to https://www.werkshop.com/sarahmp3/index.jsp where you can purchase a few of her cds in mp3 or flac format and avoided DRM altogether.
link
Wearing pants should always be optional.
Shows how much you know. Avril Lavigne didn't even release her first album until 2002...
Anyone remember... We fooled you, huh? We're sneaky like that.
It's almost enough to forgive them for inflicting Celine Dion on us....
You're right - their crappy holiday album is on a non-RIAA label. Every major album release, however, is. (i.e., every hit song, every back-catalogue sale they continue to collect royalties on). Maybe it's independent because none of the labels would release it...
Three cheers for these guys (err... folks... sorry girls) speaking out. I for one have a problem paying $14.00 US or above for a CD that costs just pennies to make. I agree with a little profit, but when the record execs are inflating the price of a CD just to fund the blow they put of their noses, I just can't bring myself to buy a CD... Add to that the fact that the musicians get little of the profit, and it makes it even worse. You don't have to be an economist to realize that this industy needs an overhaul. I wish American artist would take this same stand.
From this article. I remember reading this in the Toronto Star as well, which I haven't forgotten since:
The Barenaked Ladies' Ed Robertson also wades in with, "I'm totally fine with people downloading music, as long as they steal everything that they want. If you want pants, go steal them. If you need gas in your car, you should steal it, because you can. As long as people are consistent I don't have a problem. As long as they see themselves as thieves in general then I don't mind if they steal everything that they like. But it irks me that it's only okay to steal music."
So at least one of them is against sharing/downloading.
Wearing pants should always be optional.
I just sent them a short email thanking them for understanding that their fans are mostly NOT thieves. Is it any wonder that I in fact already own most of the CDs from most of the artists in that coalition?
:)
Proud to be a Canadian today.
P.S. I especially like what's on their front page as the #1 bullet:
1. Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical
Well duh?! When was that last time you saw a successful business model where you sue the pants out of your customers?
AirSpeak - http://itunes.com/apps/AirSpeak
It's funny... you love her music, and you wanted it, so you went out and bought it - came home, found that the DRM killed the experience, and...
returned the product and pirated it instead.
That's funny, because you could also just as well have pirated it without returning the product - that way you'd still be supporting the artist (in a very small way, and yes - you'd also be supporting the label, the drm guys, the shop owner, the guy driving the truck with packages of CDs/DVDs, etc.). All in all, though, nobody really forced you to truly pirate.
Also, you say they have lost you as a customer - that's a good definition, as they didn't lose you as a consumer. You still get to enjoy the end-result of people's work, without rewarding them in the way they have chosen to be wanting to be rewarded (i.e. $$$).
The sibling poster was right - could've bought it legit in a reasonable online store if you really, really felt strongly about returning the DRM-crippled CD/DVD.
Just my 2cts..
Anyone else think this is a great public relations move for these artists? Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, but it seems to me that fighting for the average listener is a great way to boost your popularity.
How is this not just a publicity stunt? If they have so many artists, they should start their own label. What can a couple more complaining voices do? The RIAA is within their rights under law. Even if their complaints are well received, what changes do they expect? I doubt the music industry going to say "oh, i see, we shouldn't do that stuff." Perhaps the solution lies in creating a new distribution system -- one not controlled by the current dominators.
Oh shit! I forgot to click "Post Anonymously"...
Parddon I mixed her up with Alanis morissette
Star Wars or Start Wars?
"Anyone care to spell this (quite obscure) joke out and satisfy my curiosity?"
Obscure? The summary lists the Barenaked Ladies. The post's subject is the name of a famous song of theirs. It doesn't get more obvious than that...
I would think the members of Sum41 would need their correspondence written on large sheet of paper and with crayon, as that's probably the medium they use to communicate with each other.
Avril would need your message on video tape.
Why the hell then do they take money from the labels. Break the contract or better yet DON'T sign up in the first place.
A bunch of RICH hypocritical artists. Dump the perks and the labels money and then say something.
I suppose the title uses the term "music" loosely.
I could probably rub one out to her.
I'm certainly happy that my buying her CDs back in the day might not be supporting DRM after all :)
Well, it's not like they can go back in time to renegotiate their old contract. Maybe they should re-release the Yellow Tape, their 1991 album (the first independent one to go platinum in Canada)...
They say the major labels are doing it in their name.
:)
Then they say most Canadian artists are on independent labels. If you are not with them they can't do anything in YOUR name.
oh well, at least saying something is good as there's too much noise on the other side
Sadly, it seems that Rush doesn't care about this. They'd be a powerful voice for this one.
You'd think that a rock band comprised of computer literate, tech savy guys would be on board for something like this. As a fan, I'm dissapointed.
Huh?
Avril Lavigne? So we have Canada to blame for this pox. First Celine and now Avril. C'mon Canada, what the hell did we ever do to you? Well, other than that lil' Southpark song thingie... Please, for the love of humanity, take her back and freaking keep her. Perhaps there should be DRM up there. It should keep Avril Lavigne songs from being played anywhere but within the Canadian borders and at the same time prevent any music but hers from playing within the Canadian boarders. That'll teach 'em!
Okay, so which legit online store carries her music and doesn't encumber it with DRM?
Just asking.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Actually, I have the latest Sarah dvd, and the second disc is an audio cd that I ripped to ogg's on my hard drive without incident. Whatever the DRM was, it didn't bother Ubuntu.
4 words buddy.
Britney Spears and nSync
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house
And you know what we're filling them with? Some of the most popular bands among my friends have been The Arcade Fire, Death From Above 1979, Controller Controllor, Broken Social Scene, Hawksley Workman, Joel Plaskett Emergency, Jimmy Swift Band, Matt Mays, and countless others. Many of them allow their live shows to be traded on etree.
You want to know why these groups are popular? They tour a lot, play a lot of gigs, put on great live shows and are overall in it for the music and the fans. We've identified with the artists that put the music before the money and appreciate the innovative sounds and artistic views that they bring.
The true Canadian music scene is alive and prospering already without the help of the major music labels, with or without all their evil tactics. Anyway, at the very least, just check out these bands!
Seems like the usual suspects fighting on the side of consumer rights again. This isn't the first time the growing artistic community around Nettwerk Music Group has attempted to make an impact, even the Nettwerk CEO saying "Litigation is destructive, it must stop .... as per Nettwerk copyrights, we have never sued anybody and all our music is open source to encourage fans to share it with others and help us promote our Artists. As per those Artists we manage on other labels (Majors), we take issue with those labels claiming that litigating our fans is in our interest, as it clearly is not."
None of the major labels would dare utter sacrilege like this. But to be fair, in Canada even the Recording Industry Association (CRIA) is not as virulent as it's ugly cousin to the south. They moderate their message somewhat with more honesty, for example recently releaseing a study showing:
CRIA's own research now concludes that P2P downloading constitutes less than one-third of the music on downloaders' computers, that P2P users frequently try music on P2P services before they buy, that the largest P2P downloader demographic is also the largest music buying demographic, and that reduced purchasing has little to do with the availability of music on P2P services.
(words of Prof. Michael Geist, University of Ottawa)
This is kind of off topic, but it's fresh in my mind. I just got back to my hotel from the EMC World conference in Boston where the Barenaked Ladies were tonight's entertainment. The skinny lead singer guy was talking about how the band was like-minded with the technical crowd. He said, "I've got Windows XP running on my Macbook with an Intel Pro Duo processor". He said it was only so he could update his GPS. That comment got a lot of applause. The wider guy mentioned ethernet and how it was really just tiny pneumatic tubes like at the drive-up bank teller. They were pretty funny guys.
...and with those words, the great Slashdot Canada/USA Music Flamewar of '06 broke out. It was truly the "post read 'round the world."
This is all great. What I would really like to see is, these artists stands up for this when they are at the negotiation table with the recording companies for their next album. Lets see how much of their dislike for DRM remains on their pay day. Lets see them walk their talk.
> In the end I was forced to I download Afterglow.
You goddamned fucking liar.
Understanding this is key. BNL is known for trying other tactics to *persuade* fans to buy their stuff, rather than retaliation via lawsuit, and it's exactly this distinction that much of the music industry seems to be missing at the moment.
Tweet, tweet.
As a previous poster already pointed out, Nettwerk's own Werkshop sells unencumbered MP3s for $0.99 per track, or $9.99 per album. Lossless FLACs are also available for $10.99 per album and, in some cases, $1.09 per track.
They also sell the Canadian, Nettwerk releases of her CDs, which carry no DRM.
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
I think it's funny that you're against DRM, yet you bought a Sony :) They're the worst offenders in terms of both promoting and implementing it.
:)
If you'll excuse me, my K750i is ringing
Finally!!! It's all I wanted, to hear from the artists themselves about what record labels were doing in their name!
Hopefully American artists will jump on the bandwagon.
Proud Canadian!
Well, that answers that. Thanks for the info.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
... you can never trust a Canadian. Next thing you know, we'll be supplying your natural resources!
If you haven't heard it yet I suggest you do. http://www.xent.com/aug00/0718.html The song is called "Pinch Me", it was an advance release Barenaked Ladies put on Napster with funny occasional messages mixed in the song. The entire song was there, just with pauses with the band talking.
My gut feeling is that this coalition is mostly talk and not much walk: read a few posts up and Avril's CD/DVD's are apparently all DRM'd to hell and back. I haven't bought the latest BNL CD but the rest are DRM free.
The Partridge Family. Full House. Mini Pops. Ricky Martin. Bob Barker. Fox News. Everybody loves Raymond. McDonalds. American Idol. Oprah (and Dr. Phil). Paris Hilton. That Kato guy. The list goes on
We exported Celine Dion and Avril Lavigne to see if you'd get the joke. People keep buying tickets, so apparently not.
Oh, and BTW, you can keep Howie Mandell and Alex Trebeck too. We want Shatner back though.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Yeah, but it probably leaves the ladies feeling less fresh than when they started.
Slashdot - where whining about luck is the new way to make the world you want.
What does Rush Limbaugh, aka, "The Spirit of the Radio" (and the conscience of America) have to do with a fly-by-night group of Canadian recording artists?
Sorry, couldn't think of a way to work 2112 into it.
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
You're welcome. I hope you end up buying the tracks or the CD from the Werkshop. It would really send the message that they're doing the right thing, opposing and working around the DRM-addicted labels. They should be rewarded for it.
;)
Plus "Train Wreck" is the best song I've heard in ages.
Well, if you used Windows, or OS-X, then you would have problems...I had no problem under Linux. I ripped it to add to all the other Sarah CDs I ripped, her whole catalog, which I own, plus some broadcasts I recored off CFNY way back when. Now I can listen to her whole catalog on a couple of CDs in my vehicle, which has a CD player that does mp3s.
I pity the fool who uses Windows.
ttyl
Farrell
CAN-CON 2019 - Ottawa's only book oriented Science Fiction Convention! October 18-20, Sheraton Hotel, Ottawa, Canada h
After those comments, I'll wager their careers are pretty much fscked now.
I've gotten a response from Sarah McLachlan's group - In Canada, it's not DRM'd, but they arranged with Sony/BMG as their US distributor. It was Sony/BMG's decision to DRM the CD appearently without their knowledge. If they were pro-DRM, why would she sell her music via her Canadian label in MP3 format?
CRIA stands for Canadian Recording Industry Association. RIAA stands for Recording Industry Association of America. No "A" in either group's acronym stands for artists. I am glad they are finally forming organizations of their own. Boycott the big labels!
How ya like dat?
You're my HERO !
Yay!
I take it that you are an American? I can tell by the set upon flavour of your comment. To you I say, 'What hasn't the American government done to anybody, to deserve anything in return.'
My personal favourite is re-electing George Bush. And its not good enough to say you didn't vote for him because nobody went out rioting after he was re-elected. Same difference in my book.
Well, people on Slashdot are always making noises about "voting with one's wallet", although that's usually meant in the sense of "boycott members of the RIAA". This is a much better approach ... spend your entertainment dollars in a way that a. gets you the music you want b. makes the artists some money and c. doesn't feed the old-line cartel.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
You see, it's not that easy.
When they sign these record contracts, they are at the will of the label, and not the other way around. The label invests money in them, and oftentimes give advances to the artists. Artists are obligated to fulfill the terms of their contracts, and they can't just "walk away" from their record contracts.
We generally don't tend to riot against the democratic process here.
LOL, good one!!!
--DEMOCRATIC PROCESS--
heh heh
don't you get it !
he's being sarcastic...
isnt he??
please ?
"My lavigne just isn't smelling. . . .well, fresh, if you know what I mean."
"Oh, I had the same problem! Then I discovered Avril Lavigne. Now my lavigne has that April spring fresh smell! My boyfriend loves it so much I had to get him a lobster bib! And the neighbors cat has stopped following me around."
It's not offtopic, dumbass. It's orthogonal.
You know, I seem to recall a few riots in recent history when an election was quite obviously fixed. And yet Americans seem to do none of this. I know that if I was an American, I would be protesting those events every single day.
Of course I am being sarcastic. We all know that Haliburton, at Dick Cheney's command, used stolen CIA time travel technology to go back and rig the election. That's a given.
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/20 04/1057
THIS LINK should have appeared in my original post
And noting one thing. (I was shown by a tech friend over there) that the locally pirated copies of DVD's and CD's for sale were DRM protected using the exact same protection as the original. You see when you do a bit for bit copy you get an exact copy. DRM only prevents fair use it doesn't even come close to slowing down the back alley black market.
I'm sorry, I'm to tired to be witty at the moment so this message will have to do.
Why would I protest if the guy I voted for won? You really think we'd be better off with Kerry?
My posts are definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate.
Because we all know that everyone despises President Bush. No one voted for him.
Well it's got some work to do in order to compete with Allofmp3 in terms of prices (and selection!), but I'd assume this one actually supports the artist, which I'd think would be quite unlikely in the case of Allofmp3. Anything like that is a step in the right direction, though.
How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
Every newspaper that examined the 2000 FL ballots (including the LA Times and NY Times) agreed that Bush had won. The constitutionality of the Supreme Court decision, Katherine Harris alleged conflict of interest, etc would seem to be moot points. Where was the fix?
You want to talk about f*cked up.... The conclusion I came to was that the public were the only losers... to the tune of a ridiculous sum of money.
Of course, we won't even bring up the rather odd discrepancies in counting resulting from Diebold Systems' electronic voting in which thousands of votes in Florida were mysteriously appearing and disappearing in ways that were never adequately explained. Don't get me started on how totally botched the 2000 elections were. 2004 was just as bad, if not worse.
Now Hanlon's Razor would say, "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." So I'm not saying that the votes were rigged. I'm just saying that there is plenty of reason to be suspicious, and that in the next election, citizens of the U.S. should demand better oversight over the electoral process.
To get us back on topic, though... yeah, DRM bad, Celine Dion worse, Lars Ulrich clueless. That pretty much sum it up? :-)
Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.
You do realize that if the grandparent poster is Canadian then it is not piracy as it is perfectly legal to DL music and every time I (or any Canadian) buy a CDrom, blank tape etc Sarah gets a cut (in theory).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
How is this not just a publicity stunt? If they have so many artists, they should start their own label.
Yeah that's a good idea... these people Sarah McLaghlan, the Barenaked Ladies, and others could start a label and call it Nettwerk or something. Except it seems like some other chick names Sarah McLachlan and some other band called the Barenaked Ladies already did.
Actually i've seen lots of "generic" macaroni and cheese products called Kraft Dinner (or, far more accurately, "KD"). It might depend on location, but I know that out west here, pretty much any quickly prepared macaroni with a little baggie of artificial cheese to mix in with it is called "KD" (pronounced 'Kay-dee'). "Macaroni and Cheese" usually means taking a box of real macaroni pasta (not the dehydrated stuff) and then grating actual cheese ontop of it.
Interestingly enough, the reason its not called "Kraft Macaroni and Cheese" up here like it is elsewhere is because the cheese substance (whatever the hell that stuff really is) doesn't actually meet the definition of pasturized cheese in Canada. And since products cannot be labled with foodstuffs they do not contain, Kraft cannot put the term "cheese" in the title. Hence its known as Kraft Dinner. Or, if they wanted to inject a little truth in advertizing, it would be "Kraft Teenager Emergency Rations".
Oh and its not all bad. I enjoy the stuff from time to time. I just absolutely cannot eat the stuff re-heated. I swear that cheese substance breaks down as it cools and turns into a rubber compound. Which is probably why it'd be a good thermal insulator as mentioned...
The ones with Nettwerk Music Group might find that to be easier, assuming this old story still holds:
5 40233
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/27/0
Bout time somebody without bazillions has a say. Makes sense why come down hard on the fans. I say just make downloaders pay $50 fines when caught. Like speeding tickets. You can NEVER stop people from speeding or downloading p2p, but you can give them a little fine to make them be more cautious. Plus paying $50 from time to time is not big deal. It is not what Shawn Fanning had in mind, but it can work. Paying $5000 for a hard disk with a few hundred songs of music is just insane, and makes people like me ready for a full out boycott. I have not purchased a single CD since they shut Napster down. Poor RIAA dudes don't even know there is a boycott going on, they think illegal downloads are the cause for stale sales. Mostly, I find it ironic and moronic that the record lables laughed in Shawn Fanning's face when he mentioned $5/mo. for unlimmited downloads, and now this is a reality at Yahoo, that's crap. Things like this should not happen. Shawn Fanning was the founder of P2P and he should be as rich as Bill Gates for pioneering a technology, not abused and left out to dry. The RIAA and all supporters of Nazi DRM deserve whats coming to them. Best bet is to BOYCOTT, BOTCOTT, BOYCOTT until this "fair use" deal is resolved in a manner that is acceptable to ALL.
His newest recordings are as good as his old music was bad. If you havn't heard them yet, you are seriously missing out on some of the best music of this decade. I kid you not.
Eh.
The American have a secret weapon though. We will enter one of your clean cities fully armed and then when confronted we will start to litter. As you Canadians desperately try to pick up our empty cans of shitty American beer and bring them to a recycling station you will be completely vulnerable to our cop killing FMJ semi-automatic assault rifles, grotesquely large hand guns, and the odd red neck wielding a bazooka or machine gun that he bought before they were made illegal.
Canadians fleeing to the recycling station with shitty American beer cans in hand will be easy picking off by our highly skilled red neck population. While our gansta/thug population might be a little questionable in their aim, they will make up for it with round output and shear enthusiasm at being given the chance to bust a cap in yo cracker ass. To the Canadians defense though, our skinny white guy wanna be rappers from the 'burbs will likely take out a few Americans as they hold guns bigger then their head sideways and shoot like fucking retards.
We will send then send in the upper middle suburban punks dressed in 200+ dollar outfits of pre-ripped black jeans, black shirts with an obscure band on it, and metal studs randomly glued on to their clothing to clean up the mess. They will hunt down the surviving Canadians in a desperate attempt to retrieve the empty cans of shitty American beer in the hopes of draining the last drops of swill that might be left at the bottom of the can. The wrist scarred (across the street style, not down the highway) teenaged girls , feminine teenaged guys, and sketchy 40 year old men goths at that point will come out to add insult to injury by read shitty poetry about death and try to one up each other by doing grotesque things to the corpses.
Have no fear though, us Americans are not without compassion and mercy. We will blast some shitty (is there any other type?) emo music over the battlefield and send the emo kids out. They will promptly start to cry. True, they are crying at the memory of their long lost sixth grade girlfriend and lamenting at the difficulty of their inhumanly difficult life living in suburban America, but we can pretend they are crying for lost Canadian souls.
Oh hell, what is a little karma. At least I amuse myself.
How did this get modded flamebait?! this was one of the funniest posts i have ever read on slashdot.
Support Canadian music, especially when you can buy un-DRM'd MP3's online from some of Canada's greatest musicians so easily and so cheaply!
leave drm on celine dion's shit...i'm sure my heart will go on even if i can't copy her cd...
Ha ha silly Americans! You think that by dropping shitty American empty beer cans on our pristine cities and heavenly nature reserves that we Canadians will respond with a recycling program ... well then, you should have picked plastic as your litter of choice!
:)
The mere sight of crappy American beer cans {empty or not} brings out the deeply cherished Canadian Hockey Fan in every person who has spent at least one hockey season in Canada.
Sticks will appear {seemingly from nowhere}, pucks will fly faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a speeding locomotive {yeah the big "S" was invented in Canada}, and to add insult to injury skate blades will be used to run over your multitudes, twitching, soon to be remains.
After this induced frenzy has calmed, we Canadains will then politley bandaged any surviving Americans {not many}, administer Tim Horton's coffee and donuts to stablize them, and return them to their home state for medical care.
On the bright side though, the American emo kids will still be there to cry over your remains - primarily because we Canadains are polite and so don't pick on the whiners. Oh that and we'll need the emo kids to carry the empty American beer cans back across the border!
Both your and my karma are now rapidly dropping, but at least you amused me!
Yes. As uncharismatic as he comes across in the press, Kerry seems to be occasionally competent. He has at least demonstrated that he could satisfactorily perform his duties as a squad leader in actual combat, unlike our current "Commander".
Granted, it doesn't take much to outshine our current Chimp-in-Chief's competency levels, but you asked only whether we thought that we'd be better off with Kerry...
I still haven't figured out what Bush is competent at, except for signing bills to spend money that the government doesn't have.
Well, going by editorial content, the NY Times and LA Times are very liberal. They both, however, stipulated that there was a stronger case for declaring Bush the winner than Gore. I also don't think questionable ballot punches disproportionately favored Gore over Bush. (Do Republicans punch their ballots harder?)
As for Diebold, I have no problem going with the news reports that they are lousy machines. I will not admit that they are programmed to discard votes for Democrats or in any way systematically favor Republicans.
As for DRM, I honestly don't give a shit. I am a reasonably strong supporter of a free market economy, and if some company wants to sell me music that I can't copy, then so be it. I think there can be legitimate areas where free market economics can be hampered with, but the entertainment industry is far from one. Frankly, I think these celebrities are a bunch of attention-whoring narcissists who want people to care more about this crap then they honestly should.
This isn't exactly related to the Canadian DRM issue, but please sign my pledgebank.com pledge against the PERFORM Act. This is a pledge for Californians who oppose the act, I plan to make Senator Feinstein's office aware of the pledge after we hit 500 signatories.
The link: http://www.pledgebank.com/No-to-DiFi-DRM
The Artist Formerly Known as Sarah McLachlan?
Umm - this is a publicity stunt - but it's aim is to get the attention of the Canadain government as well as the other artists, and general public in Canada so as to provide a signifigant counter to the lobbying actions being taken by RIAA companies.
These 'couple more complaining voices' are well known and generally respected in Canada - so their efforts should have more of an impact than another small group of people trying a similar tactic in addressing their stated issues.
I'll let others argue the 'start your own label'
Wait, there's still Woolworths? Do they still have the diner and the exotic pets?
With that much make-up on she looks like used tampon.
"All you have to do is be fragile and grateful. So stay the underdog." Chuck Palahniuk, Choke
KD, the staple food of university students cooking on their own.
I recall once asking someone what they were having for supper. "K-F-D-A" was the reply. It didn't need any translation...
OMG! Sad ponies! :(
Travelling forward in time at a rate of 1 second per second.
Well, in practice, I don't know if any Canadian artists have ever received any money from the blank media levy, but I'm pretty certain that Sarah won't be seeing anything now, now that Nettwerk has withdrawn from the CRIA.
Living better through chemicals
I think that UK law, and possibly some other countries as well allow you to have copy-protected CD's replaced with unprotected ones as copy-protected CD's don't meet the "red book" standard set up by Sony and Philips and therefore aren't legally a "CD". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(audio_CD_st andard)
at the very least in the UK you should be entitled to your money back as the goods are not "fit for the purpose" which is a breach of the Sale of Goods Act
http://www.br0wn.co.uk/lawofshopping/
And remember your contract is with the shop (HMV in your case) not the Record Company, so the shop must rectify the problem.
Brilliant.
Please mod up, useful info!
Matt
I understand the sentiments of people objecting to DRM or PATRIOT, but claims that these measures won't work are unsubstantiated . They WILL give the immediate result they intended. The problem is that those measures will give many side effects discussed here many times.
Brutality is very effective.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
People who lives in glasshouses should f*** in the basement
ze dog has no nose
AFAIK, Afterglow has no DRM, but the live version does.
Even if it does, you can turn off autorun or hold down shift.
Then just use Exact Audio Copy to rip to wav and burn to blank cd-r.
It's really not that hard if you know what you are doing.
No, no! They apologized for Brian Adams.
I will not admit that they are programmed to discard votes for Democrats or in any way systematically favor Republicans.
Whether you beleive it or not isn't the issue. The issue is that we shouldn't have to take it on FAITH that the voting process isn't being screwed with with those machines.
No democracy is safe from tampering if the voting process isn't open, if the voters can't be genuinely assured their votes are being counted properly. Otherwise the whole thing is a farce. Even if the "mistakes" were "innocent".
As for DRM, I honestly don't give a shit. I am a reasonably strong supporter of a free market economy, and if some company wants to sell me music that I can't copy, then so be it.
DRM and DMCA have nothing to do with the free market, and everything to do with *control*. Who owns your computer and its contents? Who controls it? Who has the right to run programs on it? Who has the right to choose not to run programs on it? Who has the right to decide the program can refuse to run if you own certain other programs?
It used to be *you*. DRM/DMCA have transferred those rights to external corporations, in the name of "protecting their assets".
Start down this slippery slope and its only a matter of time before your car dealership will have the legal right to come into your house and tow your car in for its regular maintenance, and while doing so they will check the onboard computer to see if its been driven over the limit and report you to the police and your insurance company, they will also log your driving habits, and will demand additional fees if you drove it more than 6000 miles since their last inspection, even though you "own" the vehicle; finally they will have the right to search your house and refuse to release your car back into your possession if they discover you have tools that would be capable of modifying the car in anyway, especially its logging and reporting functions, or even just capable of performing the oil change at home. (Which may be "unsafe", as you are not a factory certified technician).
Or perhaps next time you enter the mall you will be asked for identification papers, not from the government, but from the merchants association representing the mall, to ensure the safety of their employees and security of their property. They'll also reserve the right to search your person, and require you to have a microchip implant... and anyone that refuses to submit will be tagged and reported to the police as a likely criminal, or perhaps "terrorist".
Of course, you could choose not to buy those cars, or shop at these malls, or from members of these "merchants associations"...
To that I say "Good luck with that". I expect you'll be as successful with that as finding cable providers with commercial free content...
Frankly, I think these celebrities are a bunch of attention-whoring narcissists who want people to care more about this crap then they honestly should.
Frankly I think DRM/DMCA is FAR more important than most of the things celeb's protest about, and one of the few things they protest about that actually impacts them directly.
There's a big difference between a clusterfuck and a conspiracy. What I've never been able to get over is people's inability to differentiate between the two.
As are the later ones from Avril Lavigne, e.g. Under my skin (which I would have bought if it wasn't DRM'd)
Exigo spamos et dona ferentes
And it means that artists who can't cut the mustard on stage go to the wall. Which is a bad thing because...
ian
I love you.
No text.
http://outcampaign.org/
I'm pumped that your response will be swift and devestating.
The only thing I'm more pumped about is sending the red necks in first. The failed invasion of Canada may very well be the best war America ever lost.
Ok dude... Just because the English tried to eradicate the French 300 years ago does not mean everybody is out to get you! I have lived in Quebec, married a Quebecer, and now live in Europe, in a small country that has managed to live quite well with four languages (Switzerland).
... STOP ... What does a stop sign say in Quebec? Hmmm, could it be stop? No that would be too easy. It says Arret, which is stop in French. Right there you see that Quebec has a chip on its shoulder.
The Quebec people need to take a downer! And Quebecers need to realize that the union they seek a'la EU would actually take away rights that they have now. The EU looks like a rag-tag bunch of countries, but in fact there are many common laws and rights. You just don't hear about it. If you want to know about the EU common laws ask a Brit and they will cry you a river of regulations.
Now about being outnumbered and being flooded. Oh give me a break that is an overused argument. In Europe there are countries that have less people than Quebec (Luxembourg) and yet have no problem in keep their culture and identity.
The problem that I see with Quebec is that they have a chip on their shoulder and keep feeling sorry for themselves. They need to get over it. For example, we all know how the French of France are "Vive la France". Yet when there is a stop sign in France it says
"You can't make a race horse of a pig"
"No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
"Frankly, I think these celebrities are a bunch of attention-whoring narcissists who want people to care more about this crap then they honestly should."
:s ). When copy protection stuff starts to get in the way of normal usage, then I think it's actually going to force people to start using illegal methods to play their music/games (I certainly would rather download a crack for my legally bought game so that I dont have to find a CD to put in the drive). These 'celebrities' are just people too, and they probably have the same problems with DRM as us.
You'd have to apply that to most slashdot posters also. DRM just 'feels' wrong, though if it is only stopping you from doing something illegal, then really it's not bad. Giving other people music which they've not bought is wrong, though I and many people do it sometimes.. I dont think DRM should have to be necessary though, and I dont have a problem with sharing CDs with friends etc, though if it means that the artist makes less money, that's a shame (though it seems to be the record companies screwing over the artists rather than the public). It's maybe something that shouldnt be such a big deal as it has now become, but it's also something that we shouldnt just let continue without making sure they're not going 'too far' with it etc. I like to play games, but I get fed up if they need me to swap a CD every time I want to play that game (and in some cases have chosen not to play a game just because I didnt want to swap out a CD
which is totally what she said
To the one who's "Bloom" remix album has protection, and Amazon emailed me about to tell me that I could take part in the class action fun against Sony?
LOL :D
Oh and for you history buffs out there in slashdot land, this new {hopefully never to happen} American incursion would also be the "second failed invasion of Canada"
Aye then, me hearties, let's see what crawled out of his bung hole.
So they've come out against DRM - good for them. Now what's the betting when I pop over to iTunes and try to buy their music it's going to be an m4p, not an m4a?
Any reason they couldn't ask Apple to remove the DRM on their own music?
Now I can't even be bothered checking as I already know the answer to my question. It's a stupid PR puff-piece by a bunch of artists who don't want to be associated to the negative press the music industry collectively receives when they prosecute some non-computer owning deaf 90 year old.
On the other hand?
I'm 90 years old, you insensitive clod!
Do you content that the Diebold voting machines are programmed in a way that makes them favor Republicans over Democrats?
Actually, a government law that obligates a company to change how they do business is anti-free market. All the DMCA does is give formal protection to DRM software that precedent normally gave them anyway.
At any rate, you've been quite thoroughly convinced that copy protected music will lead a multitude of other things. Is there anything other than speculation to back any of those up, or is it just hyper-paranoia?
I suggest that Sarah McLachlan should have used her leverage as an artist with the label to prevent them from engaging in such practices with her music at the time the CD was released.
That's a good start, BUT the problem with DRM-unencumbered downloads is price.
USD$0.99/track is too much for a FLAC, let alone an MP3.
You could buy "The Little Willies" at retail for $9.99 about a month ago. It's a great album. I figure it'd cost $12.87 for MP3 download. Plus my own media, materials, and time to reproduce artwork. No thanks.
The last three CDs I purchased contain an average 12 tracks. As new releases, they can often be had for $12 or even $10. Let's say $11. Now a CD-R with jewel case is what, maybe $0.50, so the medialess cost should first be set at $10.50 per average album. What is the value of the artwork, etc? I can only guess that maybe you could reproduce the average art package for about $1. Now medialess price approaches $9.50. Convenience is worth something, but not what the labels seem to think, so let's say $0.25. So, $9.75/12=$0.8125, or 81 cents a FLAC is the maximum I'd currently consider paying. Of course, when I think of used CD stores (suck it, Garth Brooks) both B&M or online, 81 cents seems a little high yet.
So, convenience is worth something to me.
Track selection is worth nothing to me.
Lack of supporting art bugs me, but is hard to price (though a DVD I bought lacked the advertised art booklet).
Providing my own media AND paying more makes no sense.
Especially when I'd have no resale value at a used CD shop as mentioned above (suck it, Garth).
I want this to work, but the labels need to find a better pricing structure.
Do your own analysis and post it here. My figures may be skewed or I may have overlooked something.
we'd ALL have Purple Hearts!
LOL another loser who fell off the swift boat.
I guess you didn't know that quite a few of those "swift boat vets" who served "alongside kerry" also got purple hearts for their actions. I didn't see any of them throwing their medals away when they claimed that they didn't see any real action worthy of a reward. Just a bunch of hypocrites.
DRM gives these celebrities a platform to attack the record companies and get more money out of them. How often do you hear about how the artists make such a small share of their own CD sales? Of course they neglect to mention that they are not the artists' CDs. The material was in fact acquired through a carefully reviewed contract between the artist and record company.
Just watch -- if they start getting larger royalties, you will see considerably less opposition to DRM out of them.
whereas George W is a Bush senior clone who did dodge the draft!!!!
with nothing major happening.
Then Québecois will get rid of the chip on their shoulder.
MSBPodcast.com The opinions expressed here are my own. If you don't like 'em... Think up your own stuff.
The last thing we need (which we have now) is another five Nickelbacks getting mass airplay on radio and then hearing them and their label and agents complaining that sales are down strictly because of downloading.
:) Bleah!
Well, no reason to unplug my iPod yet then.
Clear Channel, we already got your message, loud and clear. We're not going to your subscription service on XM. Apple won. Stop screwing up the airwaves.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Blame Mexico for Ricky Martin. He was in Menudo long before he regained popularity in the 90s.
And you can have Shatner back if we can keep Evangeline Lilly and Elisha Cuthbert. Deal?
It's like sex, except I'm having it!
That depends on why they can't perform live. If it's because they have no talent and need a lot of post-processing to sound good, then I couldn't care less. If it's because they play several instruments and sing, and record their performances in several passes, then that would be a shame.
I am TheRaven on Soylent News
I'm packing my bags and moving south as we speak, since my hometown ended up spending a few years in the Greater Canadian Co-prosperity Zone in that failed invasion.
If we rioted whenever elections were fixed, Chicago, Madison, and Milwaukee would have major riots every single election year.
ian
People are all too early to talk against Quebec people. But from my point of view, both western canada & eastern canada hate themselve. if you go to western canada and start speaking french you'll be hated just as much as if someone from alberta lands in quebec city and starts speaking english.
... and i dont feel one bit less quebecer because i work in english all day.
most of the young adult's population of quebec province, which i am part of, doesn't give a rat's ass about separation, because in the end, there's nothing to be gained and too much to be lost - all for what, a political statement.
Yeah, sure, we're surrounded by english people, us having to learn english is kind of annoying but that's the way it is. And you know what, I know a lot of english people who learned french, which I think is great.
maybe the younged people of canada are more aware of the stupidity of fighting over language ?? i dont know, but Quebec separation isnt gonna happen and over time it will all be settled. I don't think it means we'll lose our french all together, it only means a lot of quebec citizens will be bilingual, where's the harm in that ? does that mean we can't speak french between each other? of course not! it will allow us to do more business with the rest of canada and the U.S. - what is there to lose ?
I work for federal government of canada, I speak, write & read english everyday, maybe that's why i see things this way, but trust me, when i get home, when i go out with my buddies im as quebecer as it gets when i get on MSN, ICQ or even on good ole phone, I curse like there's no tomorrow and I speak french just the same way a texan speaks english.
If you look like your passport photo, you're too ill to travel. - Will Kommen
Should have made my point a bit more clearly. These artists are seemingly 'the big shots' - hence us even bothering to note what they're saying.
They do have weight with their record label - they're the people making the label money. Bleating about how unfair this is to the public is a completely hollow PR move. There is absolutely no reason at all that they can't state "When my contract is up for renewal, I will not sign with a label that will put DRM on my music, or prosecute fans for copying it".
There is no reason they can't do this, there are plenty of small labels all over the place who'd happily sign up Avril and her ilk to them. She's not going to do it though as the small label might not be able to pay her what she wants and plug the album enough to sell the number of copies she expects.
Sooooo what they're doing is simultaneously bleating about how 'uncool' they think the label is - yet not doing a single damn thing that might oooh cost them their own money, to alter the situation.
If they genuinely have no leverage with their label why should be devote a single iota of interest into their views on the matter - they'd be just as valid as my own (although mine would lack quite the level of hypocrisy)
Another reason for me to love Sarah McLachlan and her Canadian compatriots even more. It takes backbone to stand up to the RIAA powers that be, and I'm glad these artists are making it known that they will not stand for the RIAA to pimp them, and that they do not agree with the RIAA's assault on people who simply enjoy music and want to share it among their friends. I used to buy a lot of music, usually spurred on by what I've found online and enjoyed, and since the RIAA started suing people I've just quit. I won't reward the RIAA, and I live close enough to Canada that I can head to Windsor, Ontario and pick up what I need from my favorite Canadian artists.
here
:-)
I am already here
That doesn't necessarily mean that you successfully knocked someone up, and the results of that successfully either got someone knocked up, or knocked up themselves...
It just means that you're an old fart.
I went to Quebec for a week a few years ago. After a weekend in Quebec City, I drove back to Montreal on the main highway (the southern one) on monday morning. About 30 kilometers outside of Montreal (or Montréal, s'il vous voulez), traffic came to a dead stop. In one lane. The other lane of the two lane highway was empty. After ten minutes I climbed out onto the roof of the car and saw traffic stopped as far as I could see; and the left lane was completely empty.
I got in the car and drove into empty left lane. Going slowly at first and then up to 40 KPM, I passed thousands of cars. After a few kilometers, I came to a couple of orange rubber cones put up across the left lane of the highway. And all of the highway "repair" crew were just sitting around talking at the side of the road. I stopped in the left lane, got out, moved one of the orange rubber cones aside wide enough for my car, and drove through. The a couple of guys stood up and raised their arms. Déjeuné? (Lunchtime?) I asked. Urgence! I said. I jumped into the car and drove away. Pulled off the next off-ramp in case they had radioed the QPP (highway patrol).
No one followed me. Maybe it was the Oregon license plates (extremely rare in Quebec) or just the chutzpah. I don't know.
All I could think all the rest of way to the city was: Who the fuck would allow closing the main highway between the capital and the largest city on Monday morning just so four guys could have an unhassled lunch?
And how the fuck could these people actually believe that they could actually run an independent (meaning NO more federal welfare checks coming from Ottawa) country?
I like Quebec. I like Quebec people. But please stop with all the independence fantasies. They're fun, I know, and useful to a certain extent.
But in the real world (i.e. with the Americans a few hundred kilometers away), they are a luxury that Quebec can't really afford.
Please feel free to share your own Quebec stories below:
You've got your own record label. Make your music available on your website for purchase in a lossless format that is not encumbered with DRM. Or go to Apple get them to put your music on iTunes but stipulate you do not want DRM. Make Apple change. The RIAA seems too stupid to give up DRM and Apple's going along with it since its basically vendor lock-in.
Naw. If we get Shatner back, we need to keep Evangeline Lilly and Elisha Cuthbert to counter Shatner's anti-hotness.
You sure? My wife has a copy of Under My Skin; we were able to rip it with no problems. She rarely plays it on anything but her MP3 player (thank goodness - saved our marriage... kidding!)
It takes guts for Astists to go out and make a move like this IN SPITE of the fact that most of their work is produced by the same organism they criticizes. They clearly state that the RIAA tactics have a negative impact on their fans and probaly their sales... You think Ms. McLachlan was happy to have a crippled album?
"Put your money where your mouth is, folks."
Indeed...
Homer000
Do you content that the Diebold voting machines are programmed in a way that makes them favor Republicans over Democrats?
That is really beside the point. The fact that they make wholesale tampering so much easier and so less traceable. When Diebold comes in and "upgrades" the machines with un-certified code before an election, they could really hand the election to whomever they wanted. Is this a good situation as long as they hand the election to the highest bidder or the candidate least likely to regulate voting machines?
Actually, a government law that obligates a company to change how they do business is anti-free market. All the DMCA does is give formal protection to DRM software that precedent normally gave them anyway.
The DMCA very much obligates companies to change how they do business. The DMCA was needed because these controls were not at all supported by precedent. If I wanted to evaluate wall safes, I could buy a bunch and try to break into them. While the DMCA can't currently prevent me from trying, it can certainly prevent me from sharing my findings.
By your definition, all IP, and really all law in general, is anti-free market.
At any rate, you've been quite thoroughly convinced that copy protected music will lead a multitude of other things. Is there anything other than speculation to back any of those up, or is it just hyper-paranoia?
You obviously haven't been paying close attention. DRM is already extending much further than music. The DMCA has already prompted law suites in areas such as printer catrideges and garage door openers. Trusted computing has a lot of potential change how computers can be used.
The Toronto Kid obnoxiously clears his throat, gets ready to spit, then swallows, and says "we like to keep our cities clean, eh!"
My book, podcast
I'm more partial to the early 80s Canadian efforts back in the new wave days. CFNY in Toronto(now gone) played them all non-stop, as well as lots of unsigned bands. To drop some names:
Martha and the Muffins
Rough Trade
Pointed Sticks(never had a legit album release)
BB Gabor(Canadian? dunno)
Images in Vogue
Yay for Toronto's new wave scene.
...and with those words, the great Slashdot Canada/USA Music Flamewar of '06 broke out. It was truly the "post read 'round the world."
I don't know why, US/Canada music sucks anyway. The best of the best comes from European bands. And I live in the us
My favourite part is "Suing Our Fans is Destructive and Hypocritical". Why can't American artists have this kind of commonsense?
Buy CDs, but buy them used, rip them, and (optionally) sell them. Don't deprive yourself because the system is broken, stick it to the man!
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
We didn't export them to you. They left because nobody would play their stuff. Its not our problem that your radio decides to play crap.
The Nightmare continues...
Homos in denial are usualy the biggest gay bashers...
Now, if we could get Bob Barker, William Shatner, Pat Sajack, and Richard Dawson in a tag-team, caged death match... That would be worth paying to see. :)
Method of processing duck feet
Your comment reminded me about how we put up with our government in spite of the shortcomings. Federal Reserve? DMCA? Bush?
Revolutions are tough aren't they? I think it's because the first ones to stick their necks out end up getting in some kind of trouble every time.
It doesn't matter what the individual vote says anyway, we're still using the electoral college.
The USA isn't a democracy people, it is a republic.
Question everything
While that's true, an important difference is that it used to be you shared music with a few friends, all local. Now people are sharing with, oh, tens of thousands of their closest friends. Does it cease to be sharing at that point and become something else?
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
>At any rate, you've been quite thoroughly convinced that copy protected music will lead a
>multitude of other things. Is there anything other than speculation to back any of those
>up, or is it just hyper-paranoia?
Well copy protected music lead to recrd labels installing hacker tools to comprimise potentially millions of PCs, or did you miss the Sony BMG rootkit?
DRM is not for protecting the rights of the copyright owners it is much more often used to infringe the rights of consumers. I have a number of CDs that I payed money for, I should therefore have the right to play them however some DRM systems are designed to prevent me from even doing that easilly. My PC is equipped with a CD drive that SHOULD be capable of playing CDs however DRM trys to interfer with the proper running of my machine. Luckilly I now use *nix and most of the malware made by record labels is targetted at windows boxes, plus the user I run as can't modify the operating system so thoose record labels might have a nice time trying to tamper with my OS to do nasty stuff.
Anyone else noticed that although goverments are ment to server and protect the public why they pass a large number more laws that restrict civil liberties than to protect them?
Plus certian companies *cough* Apple *cough* use DRM to prevent competition in markets. Isn't monopoly power in a market a really bad thing for consumers?
And what rights are the record labels protecting because they didn't create the music someone else did and they siad they don't want DRM on it, and most consumers who actually know what DRM does/can do don't want it, and yet because a minority of people want DRM laws are passed to enforce it, thats democracy for you! and to think the US invade foriegn countries and kill countless inocent civillans (not to mention thier own allies) because the country was contrlled by a dictator.
Why not use different ballots for different parties? Do you have hundreds of parties to vote for?
Dunno, I'm from Quebec and have no problem speaking English. There's a vocal minority that's militant about maintaining "French heratige culture" that acts the way you speak. There's also a "language police" that enforces language-specific rules, whose interest is also "preserving" French culture. The problem with this, if you ask me, is that culture is a living breathing thing, constantly changing, especially now with the internet and media from around the world making its way into Quebec. The CRTC can no longer control what we see/hear. Normally they would mandate a certain amount of Canadian or French programming, but with other places to get media from these can be ignored. The French language is also constantly changing, incorporating words from other languages, or making up completely new ones. There is no way to enforce something that changes so arbitrarily, and there is no way to preserve culture in a "save state" or something. They're fighting a neverending battle. Then there's everyone else who either wants to just go on with their lives and not be bothered, or there's the opposite group who feels extremely oppressed by this "culture-preservation." All in all, it doesn't make for a healthy society, it makes for a chaotic culture. The bad part is tourism is suffering because now Quebec doesn't seem polite in the way people seem to view the rest of Canada. It's an idiotic battle. Culture shouldn't be government-mandated.
Twinstiq, game news
As if musical taste is some sort of national thing. It's like assuming that since 50.000001% of americans voted for George W. Bush every single person living in the country adores and supports him.
Every country has loads of great music.
However, Avril Lavigne, Sarah McLachlin, Sum 41, and Barenaked Ladies don't make any of canada's good music.
Ricky Martin and the group Menudo are from Puerto Rico, not Mexico.
insert inflammatory anti-microsoft comment here
I don't think they have a lot of control over it. If I remember right, Switchfoot had the sony rootkit as well. When their new cd came out, they posted instructions on their website on how to defeat it because they didn't have the power to have it removed from the disc altogether. Sucks to be a rockstar I guess... well ok maybe not.
Bands/artists make most of their money from touring and merchandise sales - even the best selling artists only make about 8 - 12% of the net from album sales. Then split that between the band members - in a 4 piece band each member would get 2-3% each. The record company makes a much smaller percentage out of the live perfromance ticket prices, and a very small percent of the merchandise sales. That is why most artists don't care about the sharing of their music - they know it will encourage people to come to the live shows if they like it...(and spend $$ on merch too hopefully) So if you really want to support a band see them live and buy stuff. 1 t-shirt sale is as much profit to the band as selling 5 CDs...
"But this one goes to 11!"
The Arcade Fire, Broken Social Scene, Stars, Feist, Most Serene Republic, Tapes N Tapes, Rufus Wainwright, Metric, The New Pornographers, Destroyer, Belle Orchestre, The Unicorns, Wolf Parade, Islands, The Stills, Death From Above 1979...
I personally think Canada seems to be producing more interesting music than both America and the UK at the moment, you've just got to know where to look.
"worse thing for his song that anyone could do"
How was that a bad thing again?
What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about?
Sorry, The Big S was invented here,In the neighborhood I grew up in. :P
:P
I will say that the women in the GTA are hotter than anyplace else in North America... But that's about all you have going for you guys. And we're not giving back Shatner
Blacker than my baby girl's stare. Black like the veil that the muslimina wear. Black like the planet that they fear...
Is April Wine and Triumph involved with the fight ?!?!? :-D
"After this induced frenzy has calmed, we Canadains will then politley bandaged any surviving Americans {not many}, administer Tim Horton's coffee and donuts to stablize them, and return them to their home state for medical care."
Ah, so by sending them back to the USA for medical care, that's how we finish them off?
Brendan "Beej" Dery "Only in Canada, eh?"
In the current setup, CRIA members tend to get the "CD Tax" (which, IIRC, hasn't been passed on to the actual musicians). The long and short of it is, if you want to make it in the Canadian music industry, you have to play ball with the CRIA (which is a front for the RIAA). A large portion of the Canadian Recording Artists have finally called foul, and are saying they're not going to play this game anymore -- they want the freedom to produce their music and distribute it without paying off some foreign organization that's offering them nothing more than "protection", while blatantly supporting agendas that are detrimental to the artists.
On the flip side, you're right... if they start making more money, this would mean that the CRIA is (at least on some level) working for them again instead of against them, and they'd stop complaining.
s/Mexico/Puerto Rico/
HTH
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
Think it'll fog up if you're having sex... errr.. playing an intense game of Quake?
-M
when you see the word 'Linux', drink!
American Idol is a clone of the British "Pop Idol".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Idol
On the other hand you have a Senator's son who went to Vietnam, served his tour, was wounded slightly and given a purple heart and returned to protest against the war because he thought it was wrong and then went on to become a US Senator.
Without thinking of just the politics or personalities, why in god's name would you vote for the first guy?
Because I personally can't imagine putting the draft-dodger in charge of the nation's military in time of war rather than the distinguished serviceman. I further can't imagine that someone who was facing a 45% approval rating in the beginning of his term, and was saved only by the nation's reaction to a terrorist attack, whose every domestic policy has faltered or failed, who has fought two wars badly, has had as many scandals, etc. would be a better candidate that the other guy.
I think you bought into the Republican political machine, I think you're a fish wiggling on their line. They've got you so confused you're making fun of Purple Heart recipients, they've got you so confused you think black is white and white is black. You're so confused and twisted around you think Bush (what was that strange lump in his jacket and why can't the man talk his way out of a paperbag) is actually not one of the worst presidents we've ever had.
I'll say this, Clinton was a total jerk-off, but Bush has managed to exceed his predecessor while being incompetent. Which is just damn impressive.
Anyone who whines about being modded down should be.
I, for one, will be joining this. As a musician I've been concerned about the control the labels have over the artists they sign, in a lot of cases it seems like they don't have any control what so ever. I welcome any way that lets the artist retain that control.
OK, you can have Shatner, but you have to somehow make sure I never
hear Alan Thicke's voice again. Ever.
I'm getting sleepy just THINKING about him!
I just got the flac version of Surfacing. Thanks for the pointer. I wonder if they'll see a spike (Slashdot purchasing clout as a new market force in on-line music distribution)?
YOUR COMMENTS WERE SOOOO GOOD, SO INSIGHTFULL AND CONCISE. I loved reading it SO much!
Then your tag line is an ADVERTISEMENT for a company that is part of the whole DRM/DMCA thing.
I personally think twice about advertising for a company for free.(let them do it, computing platforms are not religion, it is about getting a job done). But then to advertise for a company that is opposed to what you stand for?
I am confused.
P.S. Please be kind, this is not flamebait, and I really think this was the best post I'd read in this thread!
Giving other people music which they've not bought is wrong, though I and many people do it sometimes.
This notion is completely false. It is within fair use to copy music and give it to friends and family members. Mix tapes and CDs have never been considered illegal or immoral.
And what exactly do you mean by 'giving'? Your statment could be interpreted to mean that simply letting others listen to your media is 'wrong'.
"It's because they're stupid, that's why. That's why everybody does everything." -Homer Simpson
Hell, I'm a New Age music fan, and I can tell you that most of the stuff I listen to doesn't fit the standard definition of "music" in one way or another:
:-)
- A significant portion (perhaps a bare majority) of New Age music does not have singing (instrumentals).
- Of the New Age songs that do feature voices, many do not have any lyrics.
- Much of the New Age genre lacks a discernable melody, chord progression, or rhythm!
Some of my all time favorite albums are prime examples of this -- "Music for Airports" by Brian Eno, "Circle" by Kit Walker, "Music from The Galaxies" by Fiorella Terenzi, "Soil Festivities" by Vangelis. I've had people tell me flat out that these albums are *unlistenable*!
I guess I'm saying that one person's noise is music to another person's ears....
"All hands, BRACE FOR IMPACT!"
I can't guarantee that. But we can try to negotiate a side-deal to foist him off on the Australians or something.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
I can only shake my head in disbelief. You know, I'm German and we have a long tradition of bloody and utterly pointless wars. You're doing it all wrong. For example, nobody proposed randomly attacking Poland. How can you have a major war without attacking Poland for no reason whatsoever? No death camps, as well. No crazy UFO-wannabe science. That's just sad.
You both certainly mean well, but your execution severely lacks. And half of the argument comes from the country that used to have the habit of ending wars by dropping huge bombs on cities... You could have just put two or three X-Boxen into some huge-ass catapults and smashed Toronto with them or something. Seriously, I would've expected better.
If you keep it up like that we're not going to invite you to our next world war.
USE HOT GRITS WITH STATUE OF NATALIE PORTMAN (NAKED AND PETRIFIED)
While it is true that the creator of big "S" was an American, the idea and original drawings were produced by the originator as he was spending the summer with his Aunt in Southern Ontario; ie in Canada. Further refinements were added to the big "S" after his return to the states, and include work by his partner.
:P
:P
:D
After all he had a whole summer to see examples of 'supermen' during that time in Canada, and it's not like he'd get that chance down in the states
Shatner is the leader of the sixth element we have embedded into your country. The fifth element is primarily composed of the multitude of professional and semi-professional Canadain hockey players playing in the states
Who want's to bet that my karma is about to take a beating?
No, no. You've forgot about the stabalizing and potentailly recuprative effects of the Tim Horton's coffee and donuts, I'm sure it would keep the surviving Americans alive for months afterwards.
... and then they'll die from the shock of the medical bill! ;)
:-S
Of course I could be incorrect and they'll seek American medical care
Of course in Canada we are used to a yearly major shock, tax time, at which time we look in envy towards our southern friends.
Yes of course, but the real quetion is, are they pink?
Riiiight, and Bush didn't sodge the draft. Yes I forgot about his distinguished career behind enemy lines in Vietnam, saving our POW's from the Vietcong.
Stupid Ass hat.
This would be the truth of the matter. You can thank Sony for this.
The clusterfuck videos are better.
No, wait! That's not what you meant is it?
Travelling forward in time at a rate of 1 second per second.
> Canadians own more guns per capita than people from the US. Bring it on!
False. Per-capita gun ownership in the US is about 3 times higher than in Canada.
Regardless of whether it's higher or lower, though, I'd rather you left it there than brought it on; call me old-fashioned, but I'd rather trade dollars than bullets.
Actually, I am talking about the 2004 Ohio elections. I posted the link above, but the original post accidently lost it. (teach me not to preview)
So let's assume hypothetically that you were the only one who voted for Bush. All the other votes were deliberately lost, or fictional people were created to outnumber the people who voted for Kerry. Would you still be just as okay with Bush being in power, just because you voted for him?
I voted against Harper. (I'm Canadian). My vote really didn't matter much, as every single last riding in Alberta was blue. (My province). I lost, but I don't have a problem with this, as the election honestly didn't seem rigged. In the case of the Ohio elections, there were more votes than there were citizens of Ohio. Losing in Ohio would be a very very different story.
You'd be amazed how much some of those machines suck, especially if you don't have the ballot aligned exactly right. It is rather easy to mis-punch and end up with a hole in the cardboard below or above the chad instead of a punched-out chad, particularly if the machine is getting old and worn out.
As for Diebold, I have no problem going with the news reports that they are lousy machines. I will not admit that they are programmed to discard votes for Democrats or in any way systematically favor Republicans.
Whether the results are tampered with intentionally or not, there is ample room for them to be erroneously processed in ways that inadvertently or intentionally skew the vote count in that way. And that's the point. It doesn't have to be programming at all. The vote counts cannot be verified adequately after the fact---not even sufficiently to rule out simple human errors. This makes it impossible to determine whether the votes were processed correctly, which throws the entire election into question even if no malicious changes were made---indeed, even if no accidental changes were made.
As long as votes are not verifiable, a free and open election has not occurred. Period. The public MUST be vigilant in ensuring that no election fraud occurs. It has happened enough times in the history of the U.S. and other countries around the world to be cause for... at least concern, though perhaps not alarm.
Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.
I mean giving as in, none of your friends buying any music, but simply copying all your stuff. Mix tapes and singles I dont have a problem with, though I feel more strongly about albums. I know I've copied some albums off my friends, and maybe now I'll never buy them (though I'd buy other albums by the same group, or go see the bands live if they played in Scotland).
By giving I mean copying something so that they can use it anytime, while you are also using it. Do you also think it's fair use to copy all your games and give them to your friends, while you both play them? Some multiplayer games let you do this, but it is still taking money away from the developer (and yes the publishers are the ones making all the money off of games/music, but that is for the developers to sort out - they could release their stuff through Steam for example). Giving them a CD to keep when you dont have a copy of it yourself wouldn't be breaking copyright.
Making mix tapes would be considered illegal if you weren't making them for your own use though, since it's breaking copyright, so my statement was nothing like 'completely false' - you just want it to be false..
which is totally what she said
I voted with my wallet last night. I'm now the proud owner of Sarah's mp3s :D
:P
I've got a warm, radient *ahem* afterglow about me now
Matt
Quebec did not ratify the Charter (nor the Canada Act 1982). Therefore MY CANADA DOES NOT INCLUDE QUEBEC (Native or First Nations Reserves excluded for they truley are Canadian) , they just happen to be a wasteland we have to cross to get from the Maritimes to the rest of Canada.
Please show me where you got your Ohio info
My posts are definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate.
Quoth the article:
If I was an American, I would be seriously pissed. As it is, I'm just kind of nervous about how close to the border I live. And shocked that nobody has even questioned this.
From that page : Why can't you find that info from objective sources?
My posts are definitive. Reality is frequently inaccurate.
How about these then?
e wArticle&code=20041227&articleId=284 u srept1505.pdf
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vi
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohiostat
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/certifiable.htm
I suppose that asking an american to do his own research is like asking a baboon to do calculus.