You raise good points, and I guess I have to agree with you. Except with the last line. Is it really such a bad thing? As you pointed out, it's a temporary relief, the result of the investment don't actually matter that much. But when we're at the peak of a crisis, don't we indeed need a temporary relief to distribute the impact in time, so that we don't pay the full price now but pay some of it when we'll be a bit better off, economically?
Please step over there with the rest of the angry libertarian ideologues. "OMG you take my money and build an inner city school/hospital with it, you bastards! Whaaa, whaa!!". I mean seriously, what the fuck is it you want, to be given a list of all the things the government needs money for and tick what you agree to pay for? Also, if you could do that and decided not to pay for road maintenance, but still used roads, would that make you the last of greedy selfish bastards?
Who tagged it brokenwindowfallacy? It's no broken window fallacy. In the broken fallacy nothing is gained from breaking the window and replacing it. Here we invest into an infrastructure, to end up with something better you can make better business with. It's called an investment.
I hate to point out the obvious, but he's RIAA's favourite lawyer, not RIAA's favourite lobbyist. That means he doesn't necessarily give two shits about RIAA and its "cause", nor does he have a conflict of interest. If being RIAA's favourite lawyer means anything, it's that he's a good lawyer.
Why is this modded down? It brings up a most valid and relevant point, that if you respect state rights like this you would have had to respect southern states for continuing slavery. You could apply the same logic today for things such as death penalty, three strikes (in California), anti-sodomy laws, and so on..
:-O you mean, the President reads Slashdot!? Oh sh.. Mr. President, ahem.. as it happens I sent my taxes a bit late, is there anything you could do about it? There's also a couple of tickets I have.. if you don't mind of course. Thank you in advance.
Since the game of guilt by association is over for Obama, let's play a game of guilt by appointment! Oh no he's appointed people we don't like! Boooh!!
Yeah, we tried this in France, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, China and Russia, it helped us a great deal. And I'm not trolling about France, it's not even what got us rid of kings, and it got us the Reign of Terror. Truly, getting rid of everything good and bad is a wiser solution than slowly trying to filter the lobbyists out of power and reforming.
Yeah, that's why Obama picked him. Because Obama really cares about all that RIAA stuff. Not foreign policy, not economy, not education, the music industry, that's the big issue these days.
You mean limiting the running time of the program to like 5 or 10 minutes? Well, I for one hate these sort of time-based limitations, plus it's a program that's trivial to relaunch and reload what you were doing, mainly considered you can save the result to an image.
As for the compression, I think the lowest you could go to obtain a sub-POTS quality that would be barely intelligible would be an image 42 pixels high, with a width determined by duration (in seconds) * 30 pixels, or in other words 1,260 pixels/second. Which would mean you could put more than 6 minutes of sound in the equivalent of a 800x600 image, and if you were to use the JPG compression for that I guess you'd obtain something like 70-100 kB? So you'd obtain something like 2 kbps. It would sound awful though.
I'm really really not sure what you meant by that question about, webpages, pictures and music, sorry.. do you mean something like a Firefox extension to play pictures?
lol, no, this is no inverted STFT, otherwise I couldn't do the synthesis natively in logarithmic frequency scale. Believe it or not but STFTs are just one way to deal with the time-frequency plane. This synthesis technique works by modulation interpolated envelopes with bandpass filtered noise. There _is_ "phase information", but it's not directly set, because it's no ISTFT.
My point is, algorithms can create all sorts of things, but you'll have a tough time finding an algorithm that knows what's good to us. Guitars can make good music because the player knows what to do. Same thing if you knowingly design your own image with my program. But automatically making the program make music out of anything that's not intendedly musical isn't gonna be any good.
You're right, and I'm sure there's lots of new filters and effects that are possible with it. The problem that I have that makes it hard to promote this program is that I don't know what they are. Only lots of imagination and experimentation will reveal them. I think great things could be achieved using a Photoshop Curves-like tools (the Gamma knob being entirely representable as such a curve) so I will add such a tool in the future.
I wasn't trying to obtain anything specific with the drum beat video, but yeah, it's very easy to create convincing drum beats using just some blobs, although more sophisticated sounds could be created with a bit more work. I'm currently trying to create a whole drum kit using Photosounder, by first opening real drum sounds with Photosounder, and learning from what I see how to make such instruments. With a bit of work and tweaking, you can easily obtain quite satisfactory results. For example as a part of this experiment I created this bongo sound that I find fairly convincing. Done in Photoshop using 4 horizontal lines, 2 tiny bright blobs and one dark but larger blob.
No seriously. I inferred from your previous comment that you thought it was all about making spectrograms. That'd be like mistaking a fancy camera phone for a pocket clock.
Great:). I just started working on the port actually. Do subscribe to the RSS feed because the OS X port will probably the update after the next update.
Wow, I've never seen anyone miss the point of the program by that far. What's good about it isn't that it can turn sounds into images. It's the most trivial and worthless thing in the world. Every decent sound editing program does that. lol.
Well, I've identified 3 main uses. First one is to create original sound effects from images. You can hear what sort of thing you can obtain with it by listening to the flash mp3 player in the upper right corner of the site. A second use is as an audio editor, to apply all sorts of effects to it, like suppressing certain sounds, stretching it, transposing, and, since the recent addition of an image exporting feature (which is available in the demo too), all the kinds of things you can do in Photoshop, that is, wrapping, blurring, contrast, precise isolation of sound features/instruments, or anything else that could be imagined...
A third type of use, which I consider the most interesting yet the most underrated, is the creation of sounds from images, using real sounds as a reference to learn how sounds look as images, and produce similar images to obtain similar sounds, and then improving upon that to get something truly unique, like your very own unique musical instruments. I'm currently in the process of creating a full drum kit entirely create this way, by "drawing" each of them from scratch, for demonstration purposes, which, when is done, I will distribute freely. I have already a video on YouTube demonstrating how to create a full drum beat this way, but the individual drum sounds created for this video are very basic and simple, much more sophisticated types of sounds can be created, which is the very reason I started this project in the first place, to be able to create music in a much freer and more flexible way. The basic idea is, if any sound can be represented as an image, then you could make images that represent any sound you want, be they familiar sounds or very novel sounds.
I know, right! Not the first time I do it, I don't care about the karma, I'm maxed out, but if I max out the moderation I can get over 1,000 visits in a couple of days, hehe.
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You raise good points, and I guess I have to agree with you. Except with the last line. Is it really such a bad thing? As you pointed out, it's a temporary relief, the result of the investment don't actually matter that much. But when we're at the peak of a crisis, don't we indeed need a temporary relief to distribute the impact in time, so that we don't pay the full price now but pay some of it when we'll be a bit better off, economically?
Please step over there with the rest of the angry libertarian ideologues. "OMG you take my money and build an inner city school/hospital with it, you bastards! Whaaa, whaa!!". I mean seriously, what the fuck is it you want, to be given a list of all the things the government needs money for and tick what you agree to pay for? Also, if you could do that and decided not to pay for road maintenance, but still used roads, would that make you the last of greedy selfish bastards?
Let's see, "mug him and take his wallet" = taxes? Let me guess, libertarian?
Yeah, because broadband is really all about consumers calling the hotline in India, not installing equipment or nothing.
Who tagged it brokenwindowfallacy? It's no broken window fallacy. In the broken fallacy nothing is gained from breaking the window and replacing it. Here we invest into an infrastructure, to end up with something better you can make better business with. It's called an investment.
I hate to point out the obvious, but he's RIAA's favourite lawyer, not RIAA's favourite lobbyist. That means he doesn't necessarily give two shits about RIAA and its "cause", nor does he have a conflict of interest. If being RIAA's favourite lawyer means anything, it's that he's a good lawyer.
Why is this modded down? It brings up a most valid and relevant point, that if you respect state rights like this you would have had to respect southern states for continuing slavery. You could apply the same logic today for things such as death penalty, three strikes (in California), anti-sodomy laws, and so on..
:-O you mean, the President reads Slashdot!? Oh sh.. Mr. President, ahem.. as it happens I sent my taxes a bit late, is there anything you could do about it? There's also a couple of tickets I have.. if you don't mind of course. Thank you in advance.
Since the game of guilt by association is over for Obama, let's play a game of guilt by appointment! Oh no he's appointed people we don't like! Boooh!!
Quibbling over a single letter might seem pedantic
That's one small pedantic quibble for (a) man, one giant misleading headline for Slashdot.
Yeah, we tried this in France, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, China and Russia, it helped us a great deal. And I'm not trolling about France, it's not even what got us rid of kings, and it got us the Reign of Terror. Truly, getting rid of everything good and bad is a wiser solution than slowly trying to filter the lobbyists out of power and reforming.
Yeah, that's why Obama picked him. Because Obama really cares about all that RIAA stuff. Not foreign policy, not economy, not education, the music industry, that's the big issue these days.
Don't get too excited, in 10 years we'll look at him and think once again "wow, he once again got it all wrong, congrats genius!"
You mean limiting the running time of the program to like 5 or 10 minutes? Well, I for one hate these sort of time-based limitations, plus it's a program that's trivial to relaunch and reload what you were doing, mainly considered you can save the result to an image.
As for the compression, I think the lowest you could go to obtain a sub-POTS quality that would be barely intelligible would be an image 42 pixels high, with a width determined by duration (in seconds) * 30 pixels, or in other words 1,260 pixels/second. Which would mean you could put more than 6 minutes of sound in the equivalent of a 800x600 image, and if you were to use the JPG compression for that I guess you'd obtain something like 70-100 kB? So you'd obtain something like 2 kbps. It would sound awful though.
I'm really really not sure what you meant by that question about, webpages, pictures and music, sorry.. do you mean something like a Firefox extension to play pictures?
*by modulating, so much for proof-reading
lol, no, this is no inverted STFT, otherwise I couldn't do the synthesis natively in logarithmic frequency scale. Believe it or not but STFTs are just one way to deal with the time-frequency plane. This synthesis technique works by modulation interpolated envelopes with bandpass filtered noise. There _is_ "phase information", but it's not directly set, because it's no ISTFT.
My point is, algorithms can create all sorts of things, but you'll have a tough time finding an algorithm that knows what's good to us. Guitars can make good music because the player knows what to do. Same thing if you knowingly design your own image with my program. But automatically making the program make music out of anything that's not intendedly musical isn't gonna be any good.
Oh, makes sense hehe.
You're right, and I'm sure there's lots of new filters and effects that are possible with it. The problem that I have that makes it hard to promote this program is that I don't know what they are. Only lots of imagination and experimentation will reveal them. I think great things could be achieved using a Photoshop Curves-like tools (the Gamma knob being entirely representable as such a curve) so I will add such a tool in the future.
I wasn't trying to obtain anything specific with the drum beat video, but yeah, it's very easy to create convincing drum beats using just some blobs, although more sophisticated sounds could be created with a bit more work. I'm currently trying to create a whole drum kit using Photosounder, by first opening real drum sounds with Photosounder, and learning from what I see how to make such instruments. With a bit of work and tweaking, you can easily obtain quite satisfactory results. For example as a part of this experiment I created this bongo sound that I find fairly convincing. Done in Photoshop using 4 horizontal lines, 2 tiny bright blobs and one dark but larger blob.
hehe :)
No seriously. I inferred from your previous comment that you thought it was all about making spectrograms. That'd be like mistaking a fancy camera phone for a pocket clock.
Great :). I just started working on the port actually. Do subscribe to the RSS feed because the OS X port will probably the update after the next update.
Wow, I've never seen anyone miss the point of the program by that far. What's good about it isn't that it can turn sounds into images. It's the most trivial and worthless thing in the world. Every decent sound editing program does that. lol.
Well, I've identified 3 main uses. First one is to create original sound effects from images. You can hear what sort of thing you can obtain with it by listening to the flash mp3 player in the upper right corner of the site. A second use is as an audio editor, to apply all sorts of effects to it, like suppressing certain sounds, stretching it, transposing, and, since the recent addition of an image exporting feature (which is available in the demo too), all the kinds of things you can do in Photoshop, that is, wrapping, blurring, contrast, precise isolation of sound features/instruments, or anything else that could be imagined...
A third type of use, which I consider the most interesting yet the most underrated, is the creation of sounds from images, using real sounds as a reference to learn how sounds look as images, and produce similar images to obtain similar sounds, and then improving upon that to get something truly unique, like your very own unique musical instruments. I'm currently in the process of creating a full drum kit entirely create this way, by "drawing" each of them from scratch, for demonstration purposes, which, when is done, I will distribute freely. I have already a video on YouTube demonstrating how to create a full drum beat this way, but the individual drum sounds created for this video are very basic and simple, much more sophisticated types of sounds can be created, which is the very reason I started this project in the first place, to be able to create music in a much freer and more flexible way. The basic idea is, if any sound can be represented as an image, then you could make images that represent any sound you want, be they familiar sounds or very novel sounds.
I know, right! Not the first time I do it, I don't care about the karma, I'm maxed out, but if I max out the moderation I can get over 1,000 visits in a couple of days, hehe.