And how many have died from US weapons ? How many will die due to the western worlds destruction of the environment ? How many have died from the drought CAUSED BY WESTERN INDUSTRIALIZATION ? The US consumes more energy than most of the world combined:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption. BBC:- West's pollution 'led to African droughts' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2042856.stm
It is you who is ignorant. Coming no doubt from the west, watching fox and stuffing your fat face with meat.
HOWEVER, it also happens at ANOTHER APPLE OWNED franchise, iTUNES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much did Apple and Steve Jobs make off ripped off mp3's ??? TOO MUCH !!!!
Corporate whores.Complaining about Napster, but making billions of their itunes only rip off machines.
All the time treating artists like shit.
I disagree. Limiting the size of financial companies would absolutely decentralize control. And remove the influence of the 'too big to fail' dinosaurs.
Banks are controlled by their depositors ? Are you fucking joking ? Banks don't give a shit about their depositors, all they care about are short term profits for their CEOs & Traders.
Ah ahahahaha.
You MUST BE A REPUBLICAN. Soo Funny. Oh yeah, so the only solution is War right ? WRONG !!! You dumb ass zombie
Let's blame the DEVELOPING WORLD ???!!! Oh yeah, it's all their fault even though they have NOTHING.
Our crisis has come about because of ONE reason. THE WESTERN WORLD IS A PARASITE.
Reduce consumption in the blood sucking western world, and everyone else can live just fine
Where is nature do you find stasis ? Trying to remain still is impossible.
We have 3 choices.
1-Backwards regression by doing nothing
2-Some kind of (unobtainable) stasis, perhaps by stewardship (not viewed anywhere in nature)
3-Forwards, ie. where we are inevitably going with the entropic arrow of time.
We should embrace this change and learn to master it. Space-faring is a symbol of that.
Anyway, evidence points to early organic molecules (necessary for early single cells) coming from space anyway.
So it is already potentially provable that life can traverse space.
I though it was weird that the box was opened ! I quizzed the store employee and he assured me everything was in there. LYING BASTARDS !
They just lost my business (i bought all my games there)
I'm not a biologist, but by using the term 'second genesis' I am referring to a separate start point for another tree of life on Earth, ie. one that is not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_ancestor . There is no evidence for it. Which is odd, because using the premise of this article and current thinking, that bio-genesis started on Earth, shouldn't there be more evidence of it happening ? If a genesis was possible on Earth within a million years of the late heavy bombardment, then why is there no evidence of multiple parallel trees of life ?
I have heard arguments that highly evolved bacterial life would wipe out any other bio-genesis. But considering some of the extreme environments we have found bacteria thriving in, it is entirely plausible to expect a second bio-genesis to have happened in one of these environments at some point in the earths history, after the bombardment.
Thanks for the link. A great author and scientist for sure. Shame about the whole intelligent design angle he went with. To me, to critique that stellar carbon is so unlikely that it had to be tweaked by a divine intelligence is quite blind, in the same way that creationist cannot understand the theory of evolution. For me, it is obvious, once you understand evolution, that the universe evolved through many different generations before it resulted in a more stable state that was right for us to emerge. Lee Smolin's cosmological natural selection theory demonstrates these processes, largely based around black holes as the source of this evolution.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_natural_selection#Fecund_universes
Right on ! Absolutely. I just posted this comment which is along the same lines:-
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2391904&cid=37171484
The concept of an infinite universe is new to me and quite interesting. I have always thought that the reasoning behind Dark Matter, to explain the gravitational anomaly of the galaxies rotating, is bunk also. If the universe is infinite, then the dark matter phenomenon could be explained by the gravitational pull of the rest of this infinite universe.
I think that they have reached THE WRONG CONCLUSION. If life arose immediately after the late heavy bombardment, and considering the discovery of similar evidence of cells on meteorites, isn't it just as likely that life was seeded to Earth ? It is astronomically UNLIKELY that the first cells evolved within a million years of the end of the bombardment. As stated, it then took billions of year for those cells to evolve into eukaryotes and multi-cellular organisms.
It is FAR MORE PROBABLE that the first cells evolved out in the infinite expanses of the universe, carried to Earth by comets. Why ? Because statistically an extremely improbable event ie. the first cells, becomes far more possible when you situate it in a infinite expanse of hydrocarbons, energetic chemical reactions, near infinite resources, and comparatively static environments (compared to Earth when it was hell). If single cell life could have evolved on a volcanic Earth, without oxygen, within a few million years, then the entire universe would be teaming with life, multiple bio-genesis. Multiple bio-genesis would mean a near infinite number of intelligent species, which there obviously are not (no radio signals).
My belief if that bio-genesis is extremely rare and has perhaps happened only once, at least in this galaxy. However, once it occurred it was able to spread via comets. This seems to be a solution to why single cell life arose so QUICKLY after the late heavy bombardment AND why there has been NO SECOND GENESIS ON EARTH.
So aliens are going to travel MILLIONS of LIGHT-YEARS, costing intold amounts of energy to prevent us from POLLUTING the galaxy?
YOU ARE SHITTING ME ! YOU CALL THIS SCIENCE ?
THE most ridiculous thing I think I have EVER heard.
It too damn hard to edit !!!! I can write my own html. But their editor is bloody impossible !!!!!
How the hell is any lay person going to do it ??!!
Make your editor easier !!! Put some effort into it !! Please !!!
Hey Racist,
"the same minorities that get offered scholarships based on their race or gender; the minorities that get hired in order to fill a quota, with no regard for their actual qualifications"
You mean, the same way whites hire other whites irrespective of their intelligence / skill / lack thereof ?
What a waste of time and resources. It's shit. That guys parents must be really disappointed.
Personally I'd beat him around the head with the remains of his shitbot.
Develope a cross platform, touch screen, front end
ie. a touch screen windows/osx/linux replacement browser / file manager
= win
(before windows 8 comes out)
This is EXACTLY what happened in 70s-80s with Henrietta Lacks IMMORTAL 'HeLa' cell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
Her cells were the first Human cells to grow outside the human body.
In fact they were so successful, that unbeknown to scientists ALL OVER THE WORLD, her cells had TAKEN OVER all of the cells in their labratories GLOBALLY.
There is an amazing BBC documentary on this by Adam Curtis called "Modern Times: The Way of All Flesh"
wiki quote " Contamination: Because of their adaptation to growth in tissue culture plates, HeLa cells are sometimes difficult to control. They have proven to be a persistent laboratory "weed" that contaminates other cell cultures in the same laboratory, interfering with biological research and forcing researchers to declare many results invalid. The degree of HeLa cell contamination among other cell types is unknown because few researchers test the identity or purity of already-established cell lines. It has been demonstrated that a substantial fraction of in vitro cell lines — approximately 10%, maybe 20% — are contaminated with HeLa cells"
Almost created a COLD WAR incident:
wiki quote:-"The USSR and the USA had begun to cooperate in the war on cancer launched by President Richard Nixon only to find that the exchanged cells were contaminated by HeLa"
Who gives a shit about retail ? Those twats don't do shit and are the same cunts who work for Bestbuy or McDonalds. What about manufacturing... where the real work is done ? Retail employees are a bunch of fat pampered American idiots who don't deserve shit (ok maybe a walmart job). What about the incredibly hard working SUICIDAL Foxconn employees who work for nothing in forced labor camps and are killed if any Apple hardware it leaked. Fuck you Apple store shit heads.
well, there is every chance that there was something before the big bang. The latest theories coming from Roger Penrose (one of the proponents of the big bang), is that there are shock wave artifacts left in the universe from previous big bangs. Another idea that is gathering strength is that there STILL IS NOTHING ie. Anti-matter + matter = nothing. So the universe is a WAVE, ie. it adds up to 0, but is described by vibrations at many different frequencies, this is a theory being proposed by Laura Mersini-Houghton (though I am probably butchering it).
However, none of these theories distracts from the fact that all religions, including the bible are SOO SMALL MINDED as to be laughable. In fact, it seems like they were written by a bunch of goat herders instead of a supreme being. No religious books describe space, or gravity, or magnetism, or dna, or evolution, or electricity, or disease, or medicine. They are quite obviously written my prehistoric morons. I prefer to label religion as FARMER FICTION. It was their child-like way of describing the unknown, whilst also leveraging the fact that PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THE UNKNOWN AND DYING. End of story.
Agreed. It is FAR more likely that the basic building blocks for live (complex reproducing molecules) occurred in a near infinite soup of hydrocarbons, ie. in nebula, than on the Earth (whilst it was volcanic and being bombarded with no atmosphere).
Given such an improbable event, it becomes more likely the larger the space / greater the mix of chemicals it has to occur in + time.
Also, once an event like this occurred in the universe, it would propagate throughout very quickly.
eg. Once there is a reproducing molecule in a Nebula cloud, it would eventually fill that cloud. Then all you need is a passing comet / asteroid and the rest is history.
This theory also has major implication for life elsewhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia
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And how many have died from US weapons ? How many will die due to the western worlds destruction of the environment ? How many have died from the drought CAUSED BY WESTERN INDUSTRIALIZATION ? The US consumes more energy than most of the world combined :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption. BBC :- West's pollution 'led to African droughts' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2042856.stm
It is you who is ignorant. Coming no doubt from the west, watching fox and stuffing your fat face with meat.
HOWEVER, it also happens at ANOTHER APPLE OWNED franchise, iTUNES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much did Apple and Steve Jobs make off ripped off mp3's ??? TOO MUCH !!!!
Corporate whores.Complaining about Napster, but making billions of their itunes only rip off machines.
All the time treating artists like shit.
I disagree. Limiting the size of financial companies would absolutely decentralize control. And remove the influence of the 'too big to fail' dinosaurs.
Banks are controlled by their depositors ? Are you fucking joking ? Banks don't give a shit about their depositors, all they care about are short term profits for their CEOs & Traders.
Ah ahahahaha.
You MUST BE A REPUBLICAN. Soo Funny. Oh yeah, so the only solution is War right ? WRONG !!! You dumb ass zombie
Let's blame the DEVELOPING WORLD ???!!! Oh yeah, it's all their fault even though they have NOTHING.
Our crisis has come about because of ONE reason. THE WESTERN WORLD IS A PARASITE.
Reduce consumption in the blood sucking western world, and everyone else can live just fine
Return to Earth ? Are you a fucking retard ? Did you miss the whole fucking point ?
We have 3 choices.
1-Backwards regression by doing nothing
2-Some kind of (unobtainable) stasis, perhaps by stewardship (not viewed anywhere in nature)
3-Forwards, ie. where we are inevitably going with the entropic arrow of time. We should embrace this change and learn to master it. Space-faring is a symbol of that.
Anyway, evidence points to early organic molecules (necessary for early single cells) coming from space anyway.
So it is already potentially provable that life can traverse space.
I though it was weird that the box was opened ! I quizzed the store employee and he assured me everything was in there. LYING BASTARDS ! They just lost my business (i bought all my games there)
I'm not a biologist, but by using the term 'second genesis' I am referring to a separate start point for another tree of life on Earth, ie. one that is not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_ancestor . There is no evidence for it. Which is odd, because using the premise of this article and current thinking, that bio-genesis started on Earth, shouldn't there be more evidence of it happening ? If a genesis was possible on Earth within a million years of the late heavy bombardment, then why is there no evidence of multiple parallel trees of life ? I have heard arguments that highly evolved bacterial life would wipe out any other bio-genesis. But considering some of the extreme environments we have found bacteria thriving in, it is entirely plausible to expect a second bio-genesis to have happened in one of these environments at some point in the earths history, after the bombardment.
Thanks for the link. A great author and scientist for sure. Shame about the whole intelligent design angle he went with. To me, to critique that stellar carbon is so unlikely that it had to be tweaked by a divine intelligence is quite blind, in the same way that creationist cannot understand the theory of evolution. For me, it is obvious, once you understand evolution, that the universe evolved through many different generations before it resulted in a more stable state that was right for us to emerge. Lee Smolin's cosmological natural selection theory demonstrates these processes, largely based around black holes as the source of this evolution.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_natural_selection#Fecund_universes
Right on ! Absolutely. I just posted this comment which is along the same lines:- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2391904&cid=37171484 The concept of an infinite universe is new to me and quite interesting. I have always thought that the reasoning behind Dark Matter, to explain the gravitational anomaly of the galaxies rotating, is bunk also. If the universe is infinite, then the dark matter phenomenon could be explained by the gravitational pull of the rest of this infinite universe.
Wrong. We can try to experimentally re-recreate the origins of life (FAIL). Or look for a second genesis (FAIL).
Agreed. I actually just posted a reply on the oldest fossils thread that says the same thing:-
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2391904&cid=37171484
I think that they have reached THE WRONG CONCLUSION. If life arose immediately after the late heavy bombardment, and considering the discovery of similar evidence of cells on meteorites, isn't it just as likely that life was seeded to Earth ? It is astronomically UNLIKELY that the first cells evolved within a million years of the end of the bombardment. As stated, it then took billions of year for those cells to evolve into eukaryotes and multi-cellular organisms. It is FAR MORE PROBABLE that the first cells evolved out in the infinite expanses of the universe, carried to Earth by comets. Why ? Because statistically an extremely improbable event ie. the first cells, becomes far more possible when you situate it in a infinite expanse of hydrocarbons, energetic chemical reactions, near infinite resources, and comparatively static environments (compared to Earth when it was hell). If single cell life could have evolved on a volcanic Earth, without oxygen, within a few million years, then the entire universe would be teaming with life, multiple bio-genesis. Multiple bio-genesis would mean a near infinite number of intelligent species, which there obviously are not (no radio signals). My belief if that bio-genesis is extremely rare and has perhaps happened only once, at least in this galaxy. However, once it occurred it was able to spread via comets. This seems to be a solution to why single cell life arose so QUICKLY after the late heavy bombardment AND why there has been NO SECOND GENESIS ON EARTH.
Thanks for helping to turn the PC into an iPod.
So aliens are going to travel MILLIONS of LIGHT-YEARS, costing intold amounts of energy to prevent us from POLLUTING the galaxy?
YOU ARE SHITTING ME ! YOU CALL THIS SCIENCE ?
THE most ridiculous thing I think I have EVER heard.
I fail to see where the news is here...
the PC rules !!! Long live the PC !!! Stick your ipad up your arse. It's just a big iphone.
It too damn hard to edit !!!! I can write my own html. But their editor is bloody impossible !!!!!
How the hell is any lay person going to do it ??!!
Make your editor easier !!! Put some effort into it !! Please !!!
Hey Racist,
"the same minorities that get offered scholarships based on their race or gender; the minorities that get hired in order to fill a quota, with no regard for their actual qualifications"
You mean, the same way whites hire other whites irrespective of their intelligence / skill / lack thereof ?
What a waste of time and resources. It's shit. That guys parents must be really disappointed.
Personally I'd beat him around the head with the remains of his shitbot.
Develope a cross platform, touch screen, front end /osx/linux replacement browser / file manager
ie. a touch screen windows
= win (before windows 8 comes out)
This is EXACTLY what happened in 70s-80s with Henrietta Lacks IMMORTAL 'HeLa' cell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
Her cells were the first Human cells to grow outside the human body.
In fact they were so successful, that unbeknown to scientists ALL OVER THE WORLD, her cells had TAKEN OVER all of the cells in their labratories GLOBALLY.
There is an amazing BBC documentary on this by Adam Curtis called "Modern Times: The Way of All Flesh"
wiki quote " Contamination: Because of their adaptation to growth in tissue culture plates, HeLa cells are sometimes difficult to control. They have proven to be a persistent laboratory "weed" that contaminates other cell cultures in the same laboratory, interfering with biological research and forcing researchers to declare many results invalid. The degree of HeLa cell contamination among other cell types is unknown because few researchers test the identity or purity of already-established cell lines. It has been demonstrated that a substantial fraction of in vitro cell lines — approximately 10%, maybe 20% — are contaminated with HeLa cells"
Almost created a COLD WAR incident:
wiki quote:-"The USSR and the USA had begun to cooperate in the war on cancer launched by President Richard Nixon only to find that the exchanged cells were contaminated by HeLa"
Who gives a shit about retail ? Those twats don't do shit and are the same cunts who work for Bestbuy or McDonalds. What about manufacturing ... where the real work is done ? Retail employees are a bunch of fat pampered American idiots who don't deserve shit (ok maybe a walmart job). What about the incredibly hard working SUICIDAL Foxconn employees who work for nothing in forced labor camps and are killed if any Apple hardware it leaked. Fuck you Apple store shit heads.
well, there is every chance that there was something before the big bang. The latest theories coming from Roger Penrose (one of the proponents of the big bang), is that there are shock wave artifacts left in the universe from previous big bangs. Another idea that is gathering strength is that there STILL IS NOTHING ie. Anti-matter + matter = nothing. So the universe is a WAVE, ie. it adds up to 0, but is described by vibrations at many different frequencies, this is a theory being proposed by Laura Mersini-Houghton (though I am probably butchering it).
However, none of these theories distracts from the fact that all religions, including the bible are SOO SMALL MINDED as to be laughable. In fact, it seems like they were written by a bunch of goat herders instead of a supreme being. No religious books describe space, or gravity, or magnetism, or dna, or evolution, or electricity, or disease, or medicine. They are quite obviously written my prehistoric morons. I prefer to label religion as FARMER FICTION. It was their child-like way of describing the unknown, whilst also leveraging the fact that PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THE UNKNOWN AND DYING. End of story.
Agreed. It is FAR more likely that the basic building blocks for live (complex reproducing molecules) occurred in a near infinite soup of hydrocarbons, ie. in nebula, than on the Earth (whilst it was volcanic and being bombarded with no atmosphere). Given such an improbable event, it becomes more likely the larger the space / greater the mix of chemicals it has to occur in + time. Also, once an event like this occurred in the universe, it would propagate throughout very quickly. eg. Once there is a reproducing molecule in a Nebula cloud, it would eventually fill that cloud. Then all you need is a passing comet / asteroid and the rest is history. This theory also has major implication for life elsewhere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia