Let's try that again http//news.softpedia.com/news/Sagittarius-B-Contains-a-Billion-Billion-Billion-Liters-of-Alcohol-80786.shtml (Note the space replacing the colon after http)
Damn, you must have worked in very small places, or only as a consultant. That simply isn't true for 90% of the jobs out here, esp. for raises. The only time or two I've ever seen a "negotiation" for a raise involved a critical person quitting, and then taking a higher offer to stay.
A version control system came out of the computer field. Formerly, when several people would work on a given program, or even one person, they might accidently wind up with multiple copies of files, all different, and no good way of figuring out which was the good one.
With version control, files are checked in and out, and only edited after being checked out. Once done, you check them back in; and all the versions that have ever been checked in can be reproduced on demand by the VCS.
When you're ready to roll out something to production, you add a label on all of the files that are going into production. If there's a show stopper once it's rolled out, it's trivial to simply extract by label the previous production version and replace the new version in production with the previous working version.
And there is never any question about what the most recent version, or production version, is.
Garbage. Only someone diliberately out to circumvent the version control system edited those files... and even then, they'd have to clean VCS metadata out of them.
And I used and administered PVCS for something like 10 years, and never had the kind of problems you're mentioning.
Of course, I'm a dinosaur to you, and to me, you're *WRONG*, and I would *require* checking out files with a lock, and *only* with a lock. Never had something wrong overwrite anything.....
In case you'd missed it, socialists now are the government in France. So it's true, socialists support F/OSS.
We can't have that here in the US! Quick, run out and buy Windows, and install it over all versions of Linux! And Macs, too, since they now use the same hardware!
mark "more profits for M$!" (Note the separated http and//. w/ no colon).
And more of my career still was as a programmer, oh, sorry, let's be politically correct, "developer", than as a sysadmin. And I've done configuration management.
Not ever.
For one, they know how their systems work, and what they need. Wait until they leave, and let the new person install it. Much hilarity will ensue. And after the 20 or 30 hour day and a half, management will want to know why, and as much as I disparage management, on this, they'll be completely and totally right.
Egoless programming, as it was called in the early nineties, had someone else look at your code before it went to test. Why should the same person move it from dev to test to prod?
For that matter, didn't anyone here read google news the next day? There was an article about one of the jurors saying that the foreman had a patent, and explained to them IN THE JURY ROOM how it worked, and they thought that prior art was so complicated that they skipped it.....
Right. Did your parents pay for you to go to private school?
Odds are, no.
So are you saying you're an uneducated illiterate, who's not actually working, but living in your folks' basement?
And I *love* the media coverage. Hardly *anything* about the strike *also* being about class size, and teaching, not teaching to tests.
And the charter and other schools: they *don't* have to take everyone, and won't. Of course, studies have also shown that they're not especially doing better than public schools.
Who knew little 20 years ago, and now know nothing at all, regardless of what they're allegedly taught in school. Recruiters often specialize in certain market niches, and their people fairly ofen do have a clue. But HR depts? They don't *want* to know what they're hiring for - that's why we see the idiocy of automated d/b searches in big companies, and the manual look for these acronym searches in smaller ones. They'll even do what they can to *prevent* qualified applicants from being hired, if they don't have at least a degree.
Hundreds of billions? When or where has *anyone* in Congress, or elsewhere, advocated that?
Snap quiz: 0. What's NASA's budget, and what percentage is it of the US national budget? 1. Do the techs and engineers who work on the ships, and the companies that build the parts and materials,
have jobs? Do their jobs count? 2. When NASA's budget is irregular, and cut, so that trained people leave, and go elsewhere for other jobs,
when companies aren't spending on space, what does this do to the pool of trained people when we
want to ramp up?
Bonus question: Which party tends to spend more on civilian space, when they can get the money through Congress? (Hint: the Republicans in Congress in the mid-nineties tried to kill the Station completely)
How many of those systems are as buggy as they are because
a) upper management this program would make them a lot of money
b) upper management decided that it *had* to be out by x date
c) working its way down to the developers' manager, who didn't look for buy in, but told them when it would be done by
d) management didn't want to "waste" money by hiring testers
Then there's the developers' defense:
a) what was turnover?
b) what percentage of the development team had extensive experience?
c) see b and d, above.
Think all the very well paid lawyers would tell management that you can't use a EULA?
That *is* what a buyer of a pig in a poke is called.
Used to be, every laptop manufacturer had a proprietary interface, so you couldn't upgrade memory (except that bought from them) or hard drives (ditto). Now the drives are all SATA, and memory...
But Apple's so *k3wl*, y'know, and you've got more money than sense....
First, none of them appear to know the definition of the word "theory", confusing it with "I had too much bheer and pizza last night, and had this crazy-ass idea...."
But there's a simple answer: I propose a test of the Theory of Relativity by having them walk into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor with no protection, and they can demonstrate that Einstein "made it all up".
Wow, I didn't know that Verizon, and the rest of the LECs only had people whose memories were going keeping records of this, and so they have to be paid to remind them every month.
Now, if *I* ran a LEC, I'd just have a database with a boolean....
Um, anyone here ever heard of "offshoring"? Know what they pay for engineers in India, as opposed to the US?
Then there was the news story I heard yesterday, questioning as to why India should spend the money to do that. The idea of having dreams, and goals that *aren't* soley monetary, seems to be not politically correct (at least according to the US right, apostles of St. Ayn Rand.
Let's see if the US can actually do something anymore.
Without having an account and logging in, I can't read the full article. But from the story, "were triggered by a flawed upgrade of trading software that caused an older trading system connected to the computer code to inadvertently go 'live' on the market"
Say *what*? What does "older trading system connected to the computer code" mean? That there was some magical code to allow something? That the new system went through an obsolete java link?
Communications major, obviously: doesn't get it, and don't know that they don't get it.
I mean, your insurance that pays for *me* to have a radar-guided, computer-controlled anti-aircraft gun mounted on my roof, to shoot down drunks, out-of-control teens, and anyone flying while texting, before they crash into my second floor bedroom.
Apple, the would-be monopoly, throughout its existance, has sued every clonemaker out of existance. At least this time, it's up against companies with enough money to fight back.
You didn't think Hardwired was Hugo material? And the funny series about the remitance man (I'm still waiting for another), with bad jokes even in the titles? Humor's not real common in SF.
For those who wondered, they do have a reset, and it works most of the time. There was a lot of reprogramming done on the Deep Space 1 mission, and a few times there was a bug that hadn't shown up in the sandbox duplicate that they have in a lab, but they sent a reset - I think once it took a couple of days to finally identify a star that would let it reorient DS1's dish to earth - but there are safe modes it can fall back to. I'm sure that the same's true of Curiosity, that unexpected situations come up (I mean, that's what exploring's all about), and you have to rethink how to do what you need, and we have to do it for Curiosity, given the state of our AIs....
And yes, I do know what I'm talking about: I know Steve, the long-haired controller, personally, and a mailing list I'm on saw a lot of posts by him back then, and some for Curiosity.
If you've got that much data, with a setup like that, you can afford to buy something better than USB. Consider eSATA, though I, personally, would push for a simple, fast backup server.
However you go, and I admit to not having read all the comments, you didn't mention how often the backups need to occur. Here, were we've got terabytes of data on many systems, we do a nightly rsync, and use hard links, which speeds it up and decreases space usage.
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Let's try that again http //news.softpedia.com/news/Sagittarius-B-Contains-a-Billion-Billion-Billion-Liters-of-Alcohol-80786.shtml (Note the space replacing the colon after http)
Maybe there was rain from galactic center....
mark
"Through negotiation"?
Damn, you must have worked in very small places, or only as a consultant. That simply isn't true for 90% of the jobs out here, esp. for raises. The only time or two I've ever seen a "negotiation" for a raise involved a critical person quitting, and then taking a higher offer to stay.
mark
A version control system came out of the computer field. Formerly, when several people would work on a given program, or even one person, they might accidently wind up with multiple copies of files, all different, and no good way of figuring out which was the good one.
With version control, files are checked in and out, and only edited after being checked out. Once done, you check them back in; and all the versions that have ever been checked in can be reproduced on demand by the VCS.
When you're ready to roll out something to production, you add a label on all of the files that are going into production. If there's a show stopper once it's rolled out, it's trivial to simply extract by label the previous production version and replace the new version in production with the previous working version.
And there is never any question about what the most recent version, or production version, is.
mark
Garbage. Only someone diliberately out to circumvent the version control system edited those files... and even then, they'd have to clean VCS metadata out of them.
And I used and administered PVCS for something like 10 years, and never had the kind of problems you're mentioning.
Of course, I'm a dinosaur to you, and to me, you're *WRONG*, and I would *require* checking out files with a lock, and *only* with a lock. Never had something wrong overwrite anything.....
mark
In case you'd missed it, socialists now are the government in France. So it's true, socialists support F/OSS.
We can't have that here in the US! Quick, run out and buy Windows, and install it over all versions of Linux! And Macs, too, since they now use the same hardware!
mark "more profits for M$!" (Note the separated http and //. w/ no colon).
And more of my career still was as a programmer, oh, sorry, let's be politically correct, "developer", than as a sysadmin. And I've done configuration management.
Not ever.
For one, they know how their systems work, and what they need. Wait until they leave, and let the new person install it. Much hilarity will ensue. And after the 20 or 30 hour day and a half, management will want to know why, and as much as I disparage management, on this, they'll be completely and totally right.
Egoless programming, as it was called in the early nineties, had someone else look at your code before it went to test. Why should the same person move it from dev to test to prod?
mark
For that matter, didn't anyone here read google news the next day? There was an article about one of the jurors saying that the foreman had a patent, and explained to them IN THE JURY ROOM how it worked, and they thought that prior art was so complicated that they skipped it.....
That's as miscarriaged as it gets.
mark
Right. Did your parents pay for you to go to private school?
Odds are, no.
So are you saying you're an uneducated illiterate, who's not actually working, but living in your folks' basement?
And I *love* the media coverage. Hardly *anything* about the strike *also* being about class size, and teaching, not teaching to tests.
And the charter and other schools: they *don't* have to take everyone, and won't. Of course, studies have also shown that they're not especially doing better than public schools.
mark
So, how close do any of you live to a nuclear power plant? Or, for that matter, to a coal-fired one?
In the meantime, and this comes up since I drove to Worldcon a few weeks ago, *and* note this is since 2008.... .
Given the drought, and the way the cornfields look, I'm *sure* the farmers are very happy with the income from the rental for the windmills.
mark
Who knew little 20 years ago, and now know nothing at all, regardless of what they're allegedly taught in school. Recruiters often specialize in certain market niches, and their people fairly ofen do have a clue. But HR depts? They don't *want* to know what they're hiring for - that's why we see the idiocy of automated d/b searches in big companies, and the manual look for these acronym searches in smaller ones. They'll even do what they can to *prevent* qualified applicants from being hired, if they don't have at least a degree.
mark
Hundreds of billions? When or where has *anyone* in Congress, or elsewhere, advocated that?
Snap quiz:
0. What's NASA's budget, and what percentage is it of the US national budget?
1. Do the techs and engineers who work on the ships, and the companies that build the parts and materials,
have jobs? Do their jobs count?
2. When NASA's budget is irregular, and cut, so that trained people leave, and go elsewhere for other jobs,
when companies aren't spending on space, what does this do to the pool of trained people when we
want to ramp up?
Bonus question: Which party tends to spend more on civilian space, when they can get the money through Congress? (Hint: the Republicans in Congress in the mid-nineties tried to kill the Station completely)
mark
Yes. Broadband or fast for *everyone*.
Sounds like a slashdot poll, to me.
mark
How many of those systems are as buggy as they are because
a) upper management this program would make them a lot of money
b) upper management decided that it *had* to be out by x date
c) working its way down to the developers' manager, who didn't look for buy in, but told them when it would be done by
d) management didn't want to "waste" money by hiring testers
Then there's the developers' defense:
a) what was turnover?
b) what percentage of the development team had extensive experience?
c) see b and d, above.
Think all the very well paid lawyers would tell management that you can't use a EULA?
mark
That *is* what a buyer of a pig in a poke is called.
Used to be, every laptop manufacturer had a proprietary interface, so you couldn't upgrade memory (except that bought from them) or hard drives (ditto). Now the drives are all SATA, and memory...
But Apple's so *k3wl*, y'know, and you've got more money than sense....
mark
The admin who recently left used it all the time to get to Windows servers, etc. It's a std. package under RHEL/CentOS, installable with yum.
mark
First, none of them appear to know the definition of the word "theory", confusing it with "I had too much bheer and pizza last night, and had this crazy-ass idea...."
But there's a simple answer: I propose a test of the Theory of Relativity by having them walk into the containment vessel of a nuclear reactor with no protection, and they can demonstrate that Einstein "made it all up".
mark "ok, you: out of the gene pool, *NOW*"
Wow, I didn't know that Verizon, and the rest of the LECs only had people whose memories were going keeping records of this, and so they have to be paid to remind them every month.
Now, if *I* ran a LEC, I'd just have a database with a boolean....
mark
Um, anyone here ever heard of "offshoring"? Know what they pay for engineers in India, as opposed to the US?
Then there was the news story I heard yesterday, questioning as to why India should spend the money to do that. The idea of having dreams, and goals that *aren't* soley monetary, seems to be not politically correct (at least according to the US right, apostles of St. Ayn Rand.
Let's see if the US can actually do something anymore.
mark
Without having an account and logging in, I can't read the full article. But from the story, "were triggered by a flawed upgrade of trading software that caused an older trading system connected to the computer code to inadvertently go 'live' on the market"
Say *what*? What does "older trading system connected to the computer code" mean? That there was some magical code to allow something? That the new system went through an obsolete java link?
Communications major, obviously: doesn't get it, and don't know that they don't get it.
mark
I mean, your insurance that pays for *me* to have a radar-guided, computer-controlled anti-aircraft gun mounted on my roof, to shoot down drunks, out-of-control teens, and anyone flying while texting, before they crash into my second floor bedroom.
mark
Apple, the would-be monopoly, throughout its existance, has sued every clonemaker out of existance. At least this time, it's up against companies with enough money to fight back.
mark "no, I don't do Macs"
You didn't think Hardwired was Hugo material? And the funny series about the remitance man (I'm still waiting for another), with bad jokes even in the titles? Humor's not real common in SF.
mark
For those who wondered, they do have a reset, and it works most of the time. There was a lot of reprogramming done on the Deep Space 1 mission, and a few times there was a bug that hadn't shown up in the sandbox duplicate that they have in a lab, but they sent a reset - I think once it took a couple of days to finally identify a star that would let it reorient DS1's dish to earth - but there are safe modes it can fall back to. I'm sure that the same's true of Curiosity, that unexpected situations come up (I mean, that's what exploring's all about), and you have to rethink how to do what you need, and we have to do it for Curiosity, given the state of our AIs....
And yes, I do know what I'm talking about: I know Steve, the long-haired controller, personally, and a mailing list I'm on saw a lot of posts by him back then, and some for Curiosity.
mark
If you've got that much data, with a setup like that, you can afford to buy something better than USB. Consider eSATA, though I, personally, would push for a simple, fast backup server.
However you go, and I admit to not having read all the comments, you didn't mention how often the backups need to occur. Here, were we've got terabytes of data on many systems, we do a nightly rsync, and use hard links, which speeds it up and decreases space usage.
mark