Well, but in the old days when we cared about SCIENCE no proof meant no proof, and consensus sure as hell didn't mean proof. That means studying it further before spending billions of other people's money, blaming developing countries for trying to pull out of MISERY and basically selling indulgences for carbon emitting sinners.
And he was not trolling, as I'm not, but you did use a dishonest and underhanded counter-argument, that is unfortunately too well effective here on/.
That worries me a bit. Seems as law enforcement is nowadays putting all their chips in forensics miracle technologies and stepping back from doing their ol' homework.
I vaguely remember a story of a case that a guy was wrongly convicted because of a cat DNA sample at the place matched a piece of fur in his jacket, but was a false match, cause cats DNA can be almost identical from time to time. Then that would be possible with humans, a la birthday paradox.
One would imagine a bloodbath would leave other evidence, say, witnesses shocked by the gunfire and screaming. Or chainsaw noises.:P
People are always ranting about patent abuse over here, now Google is filing a patent on basically "computing on a ship" and nobody's screaming about it????
This is a good _idea_, but that's it! It's not a patenteable invention.
As a person interested in seasteading I am quite concerned over paying royalties to Google over running a server in my future home.
Yea, like "evidence" is something the global warming consensus is going to bother with. They have a CONSENSUS goddammit! You better watch what you say, or they just might burn you at the stake. With ethanol, of course.:-)
People in the world have always made piles of gold without freedom. The point is, these people have been kings, conquerors, popes, and what have you. Thing is, they didn't really make it, they took it from somebody else who did.
In China, the average Chinese's standard of living should be rising right along with the economy, but it hasn't because of their 'forced savings' policy, legal plunder, more accurately. And who knows how long the Chinese will put up with it?
It's the plain old Soviet scheme, but unlike the U.S.S.R. they've been smart enough to acknowledge that they aren't smart enough to run the economy, so they rent their slaves cheap and the West does it for them.
But even with their science budget behind only the US, I'm sure no innovation or breakthroughs will come from there. It's just not the kind of society that encourages you to think in novel ways, otherwise a government such as theirs just wouldn't exist.
Yea, I guess that's the flaw in their model. Maybe the oughta charge a steep sum for the OS and try to rake in revenue from Psystar. Do they really sell macosx upgrade for 20 bucks?
But it is a tax on the people. How much would you pay for oil if taxes weren't there? How much would you pay on the goods you buy? How much more would your employer pay you, if there wasn't a tax burden? I think you're missing the point here too.
Taxing is taking the money away from people, which I'm sure the people would and could spend much more wisely. And those tycoons at Exxon are people too, you know.:)
This one's a toughie for me. I suppose Apple's got the right to sell their OS as part of their computers only. But then they gotta take those upgrade things off the shelf like you said. It's bullshit to sell something to someone AND tell them exactly how they can use it. Excepting making thousand copies of it, of course, that's fair enough.
That's a fucked up use of an anti-trust law, though. Calling Apple a monopoly is a stretch, even by Ayn Rand looter's standards. Looks like everyone wants their 'fair chance' in the real world too.
Ok, you brought the differences of the planes into discussions, not me. I agree that doesn't matter if it was hit by a Boing or and Airbus.
Because for the building to fall straight down, ALL of the support columns had to be weakened simultaneously.
That what you call 'magically' list to one side, is actually falling thru the path of least resistance. What do you think that is? Air or the dozens of uncompromised floors with dozens of steel core columns?
The jet fuel wouldn't burn for the entire hour of the fire even if the jets had full tanks! Most of the fuel burns in the explosion. Did you see it? Huge fireball? Fueled not by fundamentalist hate, and bin Laden's beard, but jet fuel.
After around 10 minutes it was not a jet fuel thousands of degrees temperature fire, that was gone, but ordinary office fire. I don't know how hot that burns, but these buildings did not collapse because of fire for MUCH longer periods, and I'd like someone to produce even one steel-core high rise that has completely crumbled due to a fire.
Hey, but we're talking about the WTC 7 people. Focus. No jet impact, 300 feet away from the north tower. Collapse into it's own footprint. *scratches head*
Calm down man. We're arguing, not cursing. Yea, that building wasn't a good example, granted.
I looked around some more though, and found steel core buildings that did not collapse after some flaming torch-like building almost day long fires. I suppose the WTC 1, 2 and 7 are still the world's first, as far as NIST and the 9/11 Commission are concerned.
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Well, but in the old days when we cared about SCIENCE no proof meant no proof, and consensus sure as hell didn't mean proof. That means studying it further before spending billions of other people's money, blaming developing countries for trying to pull out of MISERY and basically selling indulgences for carbon emitting sinners.
And he was not trolling, as I'm not, but you did use a dishonest and underhanded counter-argument, that is unfortunately too well effective here on /.
How's that giving billions to the upper class again? That's giving trillions in debt to all taxpayers, actually.
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That worries me a bit. Seems as law enforcement is nowadays putting all their chips in forensics miracle technologies and stepping back from doing their ol' homework.
I vaguely remember a story of a case that a guy was wrongly convicted because of a cat DNA sample at the place matched a piece of fur in his jacket, but was a false match, cause cats DNA can be almost identical from time to time. Then that would be possible with humans, a la birthday paradox.
One would imagine a bloodbath would leave other evidence, say, witnesses shocked by the gunfire and screaming. Or chainsaw noises. :P
People are always ranting about patent abuse over here, now Google is filing a patent on basically "computing on a ship" and nobody's screaming about it????
This is a good _idea_, but that's it! It's not a patenteable invention.
As a person interested in seasteading I am quite concerned over paying royalties to Google over running a server in my future home.
That was a very nice puff piece. Congratz. :-)
Yea, like "evidence" is something the global warming consensus is going to bother with. They have a CONSENSUS goddammit! You better watch what you say, or they just might burn you at the stake. With ethanol, of course. :-)
Ah, no point worrying then. :-)
*Turns up the dial on coal plant*
A huge chunk of ice just broke off! Gaahh!! Run for you lives! Run! Fly, you fools!!! *drops himself off ledge*
People in the world have always made piles of gold without freedom. The point is, these people have been kings, conquerors, popes, and what have you. Thing is, they didn't really make it, they took it from somebody else who did.
In China, the average Chinese's standard of living should be rising right along with the economy, but it hasn't because of their 'forced savings' policy, legal plunder, more accurately. And who knows how long the Chinese will put up with it?
It's the plain old Soviet scheme, but unlike the U.S.S.R. they've been smart enough to acknowledge that they aren't smart enough to run the economy, so they rent their slaves cheap and the West does it for them.
But even with their science budget behind only the US, I'm sure no innovation or breakthroughs will come from there. It's just not the kind of society that encourages you to think in novel ways, otherwise a government such as theirs just wouldn't exist.
Ok, government holds leash == Arpanet
government releases leash == Internet
There's a difference.
You're more on to something here than you seem to realize. ;-)
They're not going broke from piracy. They just don't wanna lost any revenue to it.
While I myself do not purchase products that make me jump through hoops just to use them. They need a better model if they want my money.
My passwords are in mixed-case, you case-insensitive clod!
Yea, but it's not constitutionally guaranteed. The other two are though. :-)
Nobody really wants the Feds to get into that. It's one of those constructs like 'the public good'.
They just say it so people think everybody's saying it. So they can dive down on it like the big arrow and plant grabbing hawk it is. :-)
Yea, I guess that's the flaw in their model. Maybe the oughta charge a steep sum for the OS and try to rake in revenue from Psystar. Do they really sell macosx upgrade for 20 bucks?
Ewwww, progressive is even worse. When they start calling themselves enlightened, run for your lives. :-)
I wonder how many more words they'll destroy before learning their lesson.
But it is a tax on the people. How much would you pay for oil if taxes weren't there? How much would you pay on the goods you buy? How much more would your employer pay you, if there wasn't a tax burden? I think you're missing the point here too.
Taxing is taking the money away from people, which I'm sure the people would and could spend much more wisely. And those tycoons at Exxon are people too, you know. :)
Please America, stop calling Socialists by the name Liberal.
Makes Adam Smith look bad.
Oh, that couldn't be done. Not in a free society. When they put something on the market, anyone should be able to buy it.
After all, that's setting a precedent for people wanting you to supply evidence that you're hungry in order to buy food.
This one's a toughie for me. I suppose Apple's got the right to sell their OS as part of their computers only. But then they gotta take those upgrade things off the shelf like you said. It's bullshit to sell something to someone AND tell them exactly how they can use it. Excepting making thousand copies of it, of course, that's fair enough.
That's a fucked up use of an anti-trust law, though. Calling Apple a monopoly is a stretch, even by Ayn Rand looter's standards. Looks like everyone wants their 'fair chance' in the real world too.
Ok, you brought the differences of the planes into discussions, not me. I agree that doesn't matter if it was hit by a Boing or and Airbus.
Because for the building to fall straight down, ALL of the support columns had to be weakened simultaneously.
That what you call 'magically' list to one side, is actually falling thru the path of least resistance. What do you think that is? Air or the dozens of uncompromised floors with dozens of steel core columns?
The jet fuel wouldn't burn for the entire hour of the fire even if the jets had full tanks! Most of the fuel burns in the explosion. Did you see it? Huge fireball? Fueled not by fundamentalist hate, and bin Laden's beard, but jet fuel.
After around 10 minutes it was not a jet fuel thousands of degrees temperature fire, that was gone, but ordinary office fire. I don't know how hot that burns, but these buildings did not collapse because of fire for MUCH longer periods, and I'd like someone to produce even one steel-core high rise that has completely crumbled due to a fire.
Hey, but we're talking about the WTC 7 people. Focus. No jet impact, 300 feet away from the north tower. Collapse into it's own footprint. *scratches head*
Calm down man. We're arguing, not cursing. Yea, that building wasn't a good example, granted.
I looked around some more though, and found steel core buildings that did not collapse after some flaming torch-like building almost day long fires. I suppose the WTC 1, 2 and 7 are still the world's first, as far as NIST and the 9/11 Commission are concerned.
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