Your blanket statement was "For any person interested, boot-up times on Vista take about a minute, if you don't seriously optimize it". All I was saying is that it boots fast, well under a minute, on good hardware without any 'optimisation'.
In the start menu folders you cannot create a shortcut (even as the administrator) via explorer. You have to do it on the command line. Yep, really consumer friendly.
Create your shortcut (right-click>send to desktop for example) then drag and drop to C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
For any person interested, boot-up times on Vista take about a minute, if you don't seriously optimize it.
Sorry, but this is nonsense. An out-of-the-box installation of Vista gets me to a workable desktop in 34 seconds on my system. (Which, granted, is no slowpoke: e8200, 2GB of RAM, Samsung Spinpoint 16MB 7200rpm)
I understand that the entries involved are for all users and thus I understand why I am being prompted for what is a system-wide change. Ok sir/madam!
What I don't understand is why I need to answer three seperate dialogs to move one shortcut between folders there. One surely would do... If you have SP1 installed you should only see two (not what you want, but it's better than three;) ).
The one criticism that I have of the system/model in practice is the start menu - and that is all MS! I try to organize my start menu and I see several dialogs. I would be much more on-board with only one Cancel or Allow for an operation like that... Are you talking about deleting/moving shortcuts? If so, the start menu shortcuts you are tinkering with are ones that have been installed for "all users", so deleting/moving them is considered a system-wide change; that's why you're getting UAC prompts.
Besides, you should free yourself from organising your start menu and just use the start menu search box to find/run your programs.
From the way BT seem to be implementing this, messing with the cookie won't stop your http session going through Phorm's system. The Phorm software/hardware sits at the ISP and acts as a middleman; every page you request gets sent to the Phorm profiler. The cookie they set (when this is officially launched, and users open their browser, the first thing they'll see is Phorm's Websise page asking them to opt-in/opt-out) tells the profiler that "dixonpete" is either opted-in, or opted-out. If you've opted-in, your browsing session is monitored and profiled, and targeted ads are shown to you if you visit a website signed up to Phorm's OIX ad platform. If you've opted-out, your browsing data still passes through the Phorm profiler, but you don't get shown any ads.
I don't think using a proxy will help, because your http session still passes through Phorm's profiler. Everything goes through the profiler, they just promise not to look at anything other than port 80 traffic.
I'm not sure if something like Tor would help. If the Tor exit node is on one of the ISP networks running Phorm software/hardware, then the browsing session will be profiled.
No software was installed/run on any of the users' computers. The http session was monitored at the ISP level (and that's how you'll be monitored, if you're a BT customer, when this is rolled out).
Yes, you're right, almost all of those fall under just browsing web, playing media files and editing simple documents... In addition to crappy voice recording, calculator and speech recognition that hardly ever works correctly. Uhh no. None of the things I listed fall under "browsing the web". Media Player and Center come under "playing media files", but they do more than that; ripping CDs, managing your audio/video collection etc. Speech recognition works fine providing you a) train it before using it, and b) speak clearly (not like the mong in the "hilarious" video that was going around a year or so ago).
There are a lot more programs to exploit on Ubuntu by default. That wasn't the point I was addressing. The poster's initial statement was that "Vista doesn't come with much functionality in the first place... ". That's clearly bollocks.
Vista doesn't come with much functionality in the first place... about all you can do with a Vista box (without installing third party apps) is browse the web, play some media files and edit some simple documents...
Windows Calendar Windows Contacts Windows DVD Maker Windows Movie Maker Windows Media Player Windows Media Center Windows Mail Windows Photo Gallery Windows Meeting Space Windows Search Windows Sidebar Snipping Tool Speach Recognition Sound Recorder Sync Center Calculator Notepad/Wordpad Paint
I've never experienced issues #1, #3, #4, #5, #6, or #8.
You have a point with #2, slow network transfers, but that's been addressed in SP1.
I don't use a laptop so I can't comment on #7.
As for using my PC for "just browsing", I do lots of things with it, including gaming (mostly Valve's games) which can be fairly demanding. One thing I'll say about that is that I find gaming performance in XP better than it is in Vista.
I've been using it since launch day without any problems. It runs well; no driver issues, no program incompatibilities, and no BSOD/crashes in over 12 months of use.
I guess they (Phorm) just track web URLs Nope. The content of every page requested by a user gets sent to Phorm's profiler for analysis, but the profiler ignores* the contents of form fields.
* according to Phorm, which, in the company's previous incarnation as 121media, was a spyware peddler.
Firefox has the same feature too. To the best of my knowledge, Firefox doesn't have a tab recovery feature like IE8. From what I can gather from reading the ACR whitepaper, if a webpage crashes IE8 can potentially handle it by automatically closing/opening the offending tab.
I think he's posting from a Linux machine. I've noticed that many Linux users seem to have trouble with the 's' key on their keyboard. You'd think the developers of the various Linux distributions would have fixed that bug by now.:-/
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From power-on?
Yes sir/madam! (Although the time is actually 37secs. The stopwatch in my head isn't as accurate as a real one :-D )
Your blanket statement was "For any person interested, boot-up times on Vista take about a minute, if you don't seriously optimize it". All I was saying is that it boots fast, well under a minute, on good hardware without any 'optimisation'.
In the start menu folders you cannot create a shortcut (even as the administrator) via explorer. You have to do it on the command line. Yep, really consumer friendly.
Create your shortcut (right-click>send to desktop for example) then drag and drop to C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
For any person interested, boot-up times on Vista take about a minute, if you don't seriously optimize it.
Sorry, but this is nonsense. An out-of-the-box installation of Vista gets me to a workable desktop in 34 seconds on my system. (Which, granted, is no slowpoke: e8200, 2GB of RAM, Samsung Spinpoint 16MB 7200rpm)
You can install XP using a USB stick: http://www.eeeguides.com/2007/11/installing-windows-xp-from-usb-thumb.html
The parent is incorrect (as has been pointed out by other posters).
Besides, you should free yourself from organising your start menu and just use the start menu search box to find/run your programs.
Delicious moist cake.
Sorry, "Websise" should have been "Webwise".
I don't think using a proxy will help, because your http session still passes through Phorm's profiler. Everything goes through the profiler, they just promise not to look at anything other than port 80 traffic.
I'm not sure if something like Tor would help. If the Tor exit node is on one of the ISP networks running Phorm software/hardware, then the browsing session will be profiled.
The best method is to vote with your wallet and change ISP.
No software was installed/run on any of the users' computers. The http session was monitored at the ISP level (and that's how you'll be monitored, if you're a BT customer, when this is rolled out).
The monitoring happens at the ISP. The OS you use is irrelevant.
Windows Calendar
Windows Contacts
Windows DVD Maker
Windows Movie Maker
Windows Media Player
Windows Media Center
Windows Mail
Windows Photo Gallery
Windows Meeting Space
Windows Search
Windows Sidebar
Snipping Tool
Speach Recognition
Sound Recorder
Sync Center
Calculator
Notepad/Wordpad
Paint
Yep, not much functionality there.
He's talking about RAM, not hard-drive size. ;-)
I've never experienced issues #1, #3, #4, #5, #6, or #8.
You have a point with #2, slow network transfers, but that's been addressed in SP1.
I don't use a laptop so I can't comment on #7.
As for using my PC for "just browsing", I do lots of things with it, including gaming (mostly Valve's games) which can be fairly demanding. One thing I'll say about that is that I find gaming performance in XP better than it is in Vista.
I've been using it since launch day without any problems. It runs well; no driver issues, no program incompatibilities, and no BSOD/crashes in over 12 months of use.
That doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is the fact that Zonk managed to post it before kdawson!
* according to Phorm, which, in the company's previous incarnation as 121media, was a spyware peddler.
The new 900 model has an 8.9" screen. http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=10302
http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ProjectName=ie8whitepapers&ReleaseId=582
I think he's posting from a Linux machine. I've noticed that many Linux users seem to have trouble with the 's' key on their keyboard. You'd think the developers of the various Linux distributions would have fixed that bug by now. :-/
So When are we planning to ship it?
* Mile Stone 1 (Feb 4, 2008): Available to OEM and Retail Channel
* Mile Stone 2 (Early March 2008): Vista SP1 Volume Licensing Availability
* Mile Stone 3 (Mid March 2008): Vista SP1 availability through Windows Update/MSDN/TechNet
* Mile Stone 4 (April 2008): Will be pushed via Automatic Update
http://blogs.technet.com/bpaulblog/archive/2008/02/06/shipping-a-high-quality-vista-service-pack-1.aspx
I've emboldened the relevant parts. The summary, once again, is wrong.