Why this has to go to outsourcing? Why can't this stay focused on good technical discussion? There is India beyond outsourcing and tech support.
About nationalistic pride and stuff, some of our countrymen tend to err little on pride side. But hey, the world looks different when your country and your race and your religion are not dominating the world.
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Back to my transcendental meditation.
First a few things in India's favor.
Demographics are big time in favor of India for next few decades. As the article points out a large number of fresh young people will enter workforce. In the same time Japan, Europe and China will have start graying in that sequence. There will be more people to support than the number of people supporting. As a consequence of strictly enforced population control, China will see rather steep change. This will definitely bring a big change in dynamics.
Touch wood, but nature seems to be smiling. Monsoon is showing regular presence and for last a decade or so, consistently hitting average or above for overall India. This results in steady growth in agriculture, but that is just a part of it. There is nothing like steady water supply.
Democracy and other institutions have taken deep root. Free press is in place, which is voicing the concerns of suppressed and thus providing effective drain before things build up to explode. Thus I doubt there will be any major uprising as such in foreseeable future.
Definitely all is not well. Lots of improvements are needed. Caste system needs to be chased out; infrastructure, education and public health issues need to be tackled at high priority. But those are policy matters to a lot of extent.
And that's where I am most hopeful. India is an old civilization, but young nation. The concept of a large society coming together and governing itself effectively by means of policies is still taking root. But it is taking root. And once this learning phase and mistakes era is complete, certainly things will show drastic improvement.
And people that time will blame the good results on the things at hand that time, leaders, world events etc. But sadly no one will think of all these years of frustrations and failures as groundwork for that moment.
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You deserve what you create, not what you expect.
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Let me start with saying that I sypathize with every person that lost his/her job. That is hard. That sucks and if ever I could do anything about it, I would.
Also I appreciate open mind shown in USA. Most fair and impartial country on this earth. Perhaps I would not get such a fair audience anywhere else in the world.
Now let me tell you the other side of story.
There was a soft drink company called Thumbs Up in India. When the economy opened and Cocacola arrived, they tried to buy the company. When the company refused, Coca cola just baught all their products and sent to warehouse, and kept them off market shelves for a while, so people would forget them. Result? Evantually the Indian cold drink company gave in. Coca cola changed the taste of that product. It sucks now. Now it's all Coca cola.
The same thing happened to many many Indian companies. At many places, American companies did not need to play games. American products were far superior than their Indian counterparts. Obviously people switched to American goods. GM and Ford, losing here, are having time of their life in India. Because old Indian cars sucked compared to GM and Ford offerings.
Many Indian companies were closed, Indians lost jobs as well.
But evantually things stabilized, and bingo, actually turned upwards. Call centers, software outsourcing, people started seeing benefits.
And now people in USA are complaining. Perhaps many of the jobs lost did not belong to USA. They were just borrowed from India. I know I sound like Satan to your ears, but you should see the whole picture.
People in India switched to USA companies because for almost same price, they offered better quality. Now companies in USA are switching to Indian labour, because it costs much less for the same skill level.
Just a list of few Indian companies went bankrupt or got kicked in 1990s- Premier Automobiles, Murphy Television, Thumbs up cold drink. Can't remember more of the top of my head. But there are a lot.
Military equipment producers, OIL companies and such are having time of their lives in USA. Why not ask them to share their profits before blaming Outsourcing?
Dude, this is just other side of capitalism. Face it. You can't just have benefits of something and but not face disadvantages.
And I have strong faith in future of USA. This country thrives on innovation. Evantually Americans will figure the way out and in the process bring a whole new era. The same thing happened at times of Japanese auto makers, at times of South Asian electronics manufactures, the same thing will happen about cheap Chinese goods and about Indian call centers.
And don't throw that list of non USA companies owning USA companies. 53% rubber products? You guys fucking own GPS.
I think we will have to wait for a while till this device can be used for the kind of rescue operations you are describing. Concrete heaps of fallen structures have many slabs, just thrown on each other randomly. Whereas this thing will work only on one wall with correct placing and positioning.
I think they should allow teaching intelligent design in biology class on one condition. Condition that church teaches about alternatives to Christianity and Bible.
We must make them read following paragraph in church sermon.
"The Bible is just one way of looking at things. It's just a theory and not proven fact. There are many other alternative religions, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. and here is what these religions have to say about the things that cannot be explained using Bible. blah blah blah...."
Then and only then intelligent design should be allwed in biology class.
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Why this has to go to outsourcing? Why can't this stay focused on good technical discussion? There is India beyond outsourcing and tech support.
About nationalistic pride and stuff, some of our countrymen tend to err little on pride side. But hey, the world looks different when your country and your race and your religion are not dominating the world.
-- Back to my transcendental meditation.
You are simplifying things too much.
First a few things in India's favor. Demographics are big time in favor of India for next few decades. As the article points out a large number of fresh young people will enter workforce. In the same time Japan, Europe and China will have start graying in that sequence. There will be more people to support than the number of people supporting. As a consequence of strictly enforced population control, China will see rather steep change. This will definitely bring a big change in dynamics.
Touch wood, but nature seems to be smiling. Monsoon is showing regular presence and for last a decade or so, consistently hitting average or above for overall India. This results in steady growth in agriculture, but that is just a part of it. There is nothing like steady water supply.
Democracy and other institutions have taken deep root. Free press is in place, which is voicing the concerns of suppressed and thus providing effective drain before things build up to explode. Thus I doubt there will be any major uprising as such in foreseeable future.
Definitely all is not well. Lots of improvements are needed. Caste system needs to be chased out; infrastructure, education and public health issues need to be tackled at high priority. But those are policy matters to a lot of extent.
And that's where I am most hopeful. India is an old civilization, but young nation. The concept of a large society coming together and governing itself effectively by means of policies is still taking root. But it is taking root. And once this learning phase and mistakes era is complete, certainly things will show drastic improvement.
And people that time will blame the good results on the things at hand that time, leaders, world events etc. But sadly no one will think of all these years of frustrations and failures as groundwork for that moment.
-
You deserve what you create, not what you expect.
-
Let me start with saying that I sypathize with every person that lost his/her job. That is hard. That sucks and if ever I could do anything about it, I would.
Also I appreciate open mind shown in USA. Most fair and impartial country on this earth. Perhaps I would not get such a fair audience anywhere else in the world.
Now let me tell you the other side of story.
There was a soft drink company called Thumbs Up in India. When the economy opened and Cocacola arrived, they tried to buy the company. When the company refused, Coca cola just baught all their products and sent to warehouse, and kept them off market shelves for a while, so people would forget them. Result? Evantually the Indian cold drink company gave in. Coca cola changed the taste of that product. It sucks now. Now it's all Coca cola.
The same thing happened to many many Indian companies. At many places, American companies did not need to play games. American products were far superior than their Indian counterparts. Obviously people switched to American goods. GM and Ford, losing here, are having time of their life in India. Because old Indian cars sucked compared to GM and Ford offerings.
Many Indian companies were closed, Indians lost jobs as well.
But evantually things stabilized, and bingo, actually turned upwards. Call centers, software outsourcing, people started seeing benefits.
And now people in USA are complaining. Perhaps many of the jobs lost did not belong to USA. They were just borrowed from India. I know I sound like Satan to your ears, but you should see the whole picture.
People in India switched to USA companies because for almost same price, they offered better quality. Now companies in USA are switching to Indian labour, because it costs much less for the same skill level.
Just a list of few Indian companies went bankrupt or got kicked in 1990s- Premier Automobiles, Murphy Television, Thumbs up cold drink. Can't remember more of the top of my head. But there are a lot.
Military equipment producers, OIL companies and such are having time of their lives in USA. Why not ask them to share their profits before blaming Outsourcing?
Dude, this is just other side of capitalism. Face it. You can't just have benefits of something and but not face disadvantages.
And I have strong faith in future of USA. This country thrives on innovation. Evantually Americans will figure the way out and in the process bring a whole new era. The same thing happened at times of Japanese auto makers, at times of South Asian electronics manufactures, the same thing will happen about cheap Chinese goods and about Indian call centers.
And don't throw that list of non USA companies owning USA companies. 53% rubber products? You guys fucking own GPS.
Do you mean it was Octopussy? :-) :-)
K
I think sun does exist. But it's so dark at nighttime that we can't see it. :) :)
I think we will have to wait for a while till this device can be used for the kind of rescue operations you are describing. Concrete heaps of fallen structures have many slabs, just thrown on each other randomly. Whereas this thing will work only on one wall with correct placing and positioning.
:) :) :)
One of the best funniest post I have ever read on slashdot.
Mark rules,
K
I think they should allow teaching intelligent design in biology class on one condition. Condition that church teaches about alternatives to Christianity and Bible. We must make them read following paragraph in church sermon. "The Bible is just one way of looking at things. It's just a theory and not proven fact. There are many other alternative religions, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. and here is what these religions have to say about the things that cannot be explained using Bible. blah blah blah...." Then and only then intelligent design should be allwed in biology class.