Well, "succeeding or failing" and "good or bad" are two different things. In this case Z is public opinion. Despite the trolls, everyone has always said that Linux needs a good web browser. Public opinion was that we needed Mozilla.
I don't really think we need.NET. I am perfectly content with developing the way I always have, and I damn sure prefer to have my software on my computer. In this case, like me public opinion doesn't see the need for.NET.
When Z is need and or desire, it would be very hard for B to survive without it.
That's the thing though, MS has been caught TWICE paying people to claim to be independant and praise Microsoft products over the competition. Once was the infamous NT - OS/2 usenet postings, then the recent anti-DOJ ads made by "independant" college professors or whatever it was, that just happened to be on the MS payroll.
So when someone comes along and says crazy stuff like "You can't use a command line to create state of the art software" or any of this other outright bull that they spout that sounds just like something you would read on an MS propoganda page, you can't help but think in the back of your mind "Does this person work for MS"?
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but thanks to the actions of MS, I can only take such people but so seriously.
"I hope this guy is actually a Linux guy who is just mocking the windows programmers...:)"
He's not, unless there is another just like him on the Yahoo! message board regrading XP removing Java, where UNIX came up.
The guy said (to paraphrase) "Obviously you don't know much about software development if you think a command line is enough for state of the art software development"
haha, is that a JOKE or what? I'm sure Loki and ID don't have but so much dependance on KDevelop, none at all for the products they came out with before it was stable! And isn't Linux the development environment of choice for PS2, I guess cutting edge games aren't considered state of the art! Wait a minute, isn't Linux used by alot of special effects houses who developed their code in house? Guess those guys aren't state of the art!
This person's definition of state of the art seems to vary wildly from mine. The fact of the matter is an Xterm, KWrite, the latest OpenGL (Mesa) and SDL libraries are all, it's all anyone NEEDS, after all, an IDE just puts all those tools in one app with a pretty little button you can click to run them!
I was just saying the same thing in the recent napster thread when someone compared libraries to napster. It amazes me that people who consider themselves "nerds" (news for nerds, stuff that matters), don't even know the difference between the words borrow and copy. Or borrow and steal for that matter.
Any garage band can sign with the various collection agencies to get their 8 cent royalty, this isn't about just the big record companies.
What you are saying might take place on Top40 stations, but what about Oldies stations, or Classic Rock stations, do you think that many, possibly defunct, record companies are still paying to promote "Hey Jude" or "Stairway to Heaven"?
What some companies do for promotion of some songs is completely irrelevant to whether or not there is in fact a royalty paid on music aired on the radio.
Given the latest slashdot headline it appears as though some publishers ARE saying that, however your analogy is still wrong. As I said before, if I loan you my Metallica CD (The equivalent of checking out a book), you only have that CD for as long as I let you borrow it. Once you give it back to me, you have to buy it to listen to it. (or borrow it from me again).
By downloading an MP3 you know longer have to pay for the song, yet you can listen to it anytime and anywhere (with a portable mp3 player) that you want to.
So I repeat, there is a huge difference between borrowing something and copying it. Lars doesn't want people COPYING is copyrighted work without his consent. He has shown no problem with lending or borrowing.
Boy, Napster fans really are quite ignorant about the music industry aren't they? For all of you who don't know, radio stations pay a royalty of something like 8 cents every time they play a song.
And just so you know, HBO doesn't just grab a DVD of the latest movies and broadcast them, the also pay the studios for the broadcast rights.
No,
Just like Metallica can not say that you cannot BORROW a Metallica CD from a friend, nor have they tried to say that.
There is a world of difference between BORROWING and COPYING, as is there a difference between BORROWING and STEALING.
There was just a story in our local paper a few days ago about a small record store that was ran out of business, because after the big chains came in, it's main customers were students at the local college (William and Mary), after Napster was released most of the students got their music off of it, and quit buyng CD's. So in the name of "sticking it to the evil record companies", you've ran a mom and pop store out of business and made it's owner unemployed.
I'd say it's only the beginning. A couple of months ago I recieved two seperate pieces of spam from the same company, the problem? They had 180-250k JPEG's attached to them! It is completely unacceptable for me to have to download that over a dialup connection, and I thought it was bad when HTML spams started loading images from a remote server! The worst of it is they were a chinese company selling phones. Why in the HELL would I buy a phone from overseas over the internet when I can go to the local Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, what have you and get one that day?
But most of these guys just don't think about target audience, or care about making spam effective, how many of you have gotten spam form letters that read "Hello, my name is fsdk and I live in alkdfjd, and have a great way for you to get rich quickly!". This people are to lazy to type their own names for goodness sake!
And the more widespread pagers become, the more they will subjected to unsolicited advertising. At this point, at least in my house, the phone and email are almost useless due to the signal to noise ratio, any new form of mass communcition can only be destined to the same fate unless laws are passed that prevent it.
Postal mail doesn't bother me so bad, because if I am expected an important letter, and get junk, oh well, I had to get the mail that morning anyhow. Email and Phone (and pager) are different because they can arrive at any time during the day and of course multiple times during the day.
But if telemarketers haven't learned in a few decades that nobody sits around in the dark waiting for them to call and sell some lightbulbs, what are the chances that junk advertisers of future communications are going to learn anything from it?
MS is treading on dangerous ground now, IMHO. On one hand they have acknowledged that Linux/Open Source is enough of a threat to start their FUD campaigns, (which has possibly served the opposite of what they wanted since IBM didn't seem to keen on the remarks and might just push Linux even harder.) and on the other hand they are issueing new licenses and registration requirements that are only going to push other people away from them.
If the threat of the DOJ and the possible British anti-trust trials aren't enough to make them stop the insanity, at least something they have showed signs of fearing should. Oh well, a guess a leopard really can't ever change his spots
Personally I would pay good money if Apple would come out with MacOS X for Intel. It wouldn't be that hard with Darwin already ported, and with Mac's ease of use, AND the power of UNIX, I imagine alot of companies and indeed average Joe Schmoes would choose MacOS over Windows.
If I came across as trying to bash people than I apologize, it wasn't meant that way. There was a bit of a cynical tone though I suppose. It does seem as though people care less and less about human interaction sometime.
I understand your point about LAN parties, but let's be realistic and compare the two shall we?
For a 4-player PS2 game, I need a PS2, it doesn't matter if my friends have one. I need four controllers, a Muli-tap and a game. Say all that comes up to $500.
For a 4-player LAN party, I need a computer with a current graphics card. My 3 friends also need a computer with a current graphics card for each of them. We also need four monitors, plus the game. That's a good $3000 dollars right there. Plus my friends have to bring their big bulky computers and monitors to my house and we have to physically set them up and connect them together. That takes a few minutes, much more than pushing "on" on a console.
So while I certainly understand your point, a LAN party hardly replaces a console at this point.
Yep, I noticed the same thing. I had quit using altavista because of it. I don't want to stop using Yahoo for the same reasons you cited, but those X10 ads are WAY to annoying. I don't mind popup ads ala Angelfire and such so much, because they are small and easily closable, but having these huge massive x10 popups open and then sneak under my browser is annoying. I know some people fine pop-under ads to be less annoying, but I don't. I want to be able to close it when it opens, not have to switch to the window, let it's massive size cover up what I'm reading then close it. I just see no need in wasting my limited bandwidth (I'm on dialup) downloading their graphics intensive ads.
As a direct result of that I will NEVER buy something from X10. I don't care how good their products are, pissing someone off isn't the best way to get their money.
There are many reasons. First of all some of us still enjoy the company of actual people. It is very easy to play Mario Kart on a 31 inch TV split four ways in a relatively large living room. Try fitting four people at a computer desk and playing on a 17 inch screen in a smaller room and it becomes a bit harder. 17 inch screen maybe, computer desk maybe, but not both.
Consoles also make it much easier for developers to take advantage of proprietary "extensions". On a PC the developer can't make extensive use of say Nvidia specific extensions, without providing alternative support for non-Nvidia cards. The models can't be as tessellated as a GeForce 3 card will support without crawling on a Voodoo2. On consoles there is no compromising as all the systems are exactly the same.
I worded that wrong I think, as the article says the newer ones will have an internal drive, what I meant to say is that I hope they continue to offer the ps2 without the hard drive. The article says the older ps2's with the PCMCIA slots. To me that implies that the new ones won't have it. Which I hope isn't the case.
The picture I've seen showed an external hard drive, I hope if they ship PS2's with a hard drive, they keep this arrangment. The biggest fear I've had of systems coming with hard drives is having to worry about filling them up. External harddrives would function like a big 'ole memory card, allowing you to just buy a new one when you filled the old one up, without having to worry about navigating multiple drives, or taking your console apart.
Basically I guess what I'm saying is that I want consoles to remain as "carefree" as they've always been. Of course the X-Box, I think is going to hurt that alot, especially if they make you upgrade DirectX drivers, download patches and such, but hopefully Sony and Nintendo will continue to cater to the CONSOLE market and not try to compete with MS in the "innovative" [sic] PC in a little black box instead of a big beige one market.
I realize this may be a stupid question, but I haven't really been following this.NET thing until the recent flurry of Slashdot postings.
So what is it about.NET that is so great? Some have called it a Java replacement, which I don't really see the point of, Java is already well accepted for what it does.
Some have inferred that all your data would somehow be stored on remote servers, I can't think of one single solitary purpose for that, not one. Leastways not with writable DVD's on their way in, it certainly isn't an issue of being able to use your files anywhere you go, and download (load) and upload (save) times would be horribly unnecessary when a harddrive works fine. So I can only assume that the whole remote server thing is a misunderstanding on my part
So the question remains, what exactly is.NET and why would anybody in their right mind want it, a clone of it, or an open source implementation of it?
no, you have it wrong again, coffee is coffee, espresso is NOT the same thing, you cannot compare them. Expresso on the other hand is a Dodge Neon package and I can't for the life of me decide why you'd want one of those over coffee for your drinking habits
I very much enjoy espresso and cappucino, however you are correct there is a big difference between American coffee and Swiss espresso. Most notably that coffee and espresso are two totally different drinks made from the same substance. Comparing the two would be like me saying German beer is watered down because it doesn't have the same punch as a bottle of Everclear.
on so many levels. First off, as many have already pointed out ADD is a REAL disorder, it is a condition that many people have to deal with on a daily basis, I'm sure those people would be damned happy to have the CHOICE of what information consumes there attention.
Second of all, the fact that only a few people, business, whatever, are famous really doesn't have a whole hell of alot to do with the attention levels of the consumers. Knowing that Microsoft exists and not some other developer is in fact the exact opposite of ADD, If you don't notice all the MS ads on TV, the reviews and hype of the latest windows OS, and the high profile government trial, then your lack of attention is off the chart. Squaresoft for example doesn't get their name in the paper every day, they don't have reviews outside of video game magazines (except now with the movie). Just because people who don't play videogames don't know who Square is or people who don't do high end graphics work don't know who SGI is, doesn't mean that they don't have the required attention to do so.
The same can be said of Tiger Woods. Golf has historically been an old white man's sport, now a young black/thai man comes in and dominates. That flys in the face of convention and get the attention of those not interested in golf. That DOES NOT make Tiger more famous to those who do watch golf than any other high profile golfer, and it doesn't mean that if someone starts watching golf because of Tiger, that they won't be able to follow or remember the names of other golfers.
But perhaps I am taking the whole tone of the article out of context do to your rather unknowledgable use of the word ADD. But then again based on the review I read of 'The last housewife' on amazon, you don't know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle either. I certainly don't want to lower myself to the level of the hordes of JonKatz bashers, but please do try to know the meanings of your words before you write something, that way I don't waste my time reading your dribble when I could be doing something useful. (which by the way is an example of attention WASTE, not attention DEFICIT, after all the attention was there, just not on anything worthwhile)
How can we live in a world where someone can steal your bike without going to jail?, the police don't even investigate it!, it's SICK!
That's actually my chief problem with this. My buddy's brand new Dodge Ram was stolen, the cops found it parked outside the thief's house (we all knew who did it from the beginning), the thief's comb was in the truck along with a pencil and a piece of paper with his girlfriends name and number on it, and the paper lady saw him get out of the truck and told the cops about it. They didn't arrest him. Same guy later stole a couple hundred dollars from my neighbors house, cops did nothing. Then he stole my Dirt Bike, the cops basically came out and told me that they knew who did it, then basically said they weren't going to do much about it.
If they won't make an arrest in a Grand Theft Auto case with an eye witness, why should we believe that camera systems are going to improve anything? I don't know that all cops are either as cowardly or as corrupt as Isle of Wight Sheriffs, but I would personally not want a technology like this in the hands of our police.
I would definetly call computer graphics fine art. I'm always amazed at the relative beauty that a simpleton like me can create with a program like blender. But relative is...well.. relative. Just looking at some of the awe-inspiring work that other blender users have done makes me look like a little child doodling in kindergarden art class.
I would certainly consider what they do as art. 3d Modelling is alot like sculpting, the more detail you put into it, the better it looks. The more detail you want to put the better your artistic vision and "eye" has to be. The only difference is that in 3d modelling you can't just sculpt the object, you also have to place the camera in the perfect position to get the best quality "photograph". And possibly the biggest hangup I've had in modelling is position of lights (and indeed the objects themselves). All of these things are things which affect "real" artists, be they still life arrangers/painters, sculptors or photographers.
Although my software was released under the (L)GPL after reading RMS's converstion with the creator of Crystal Space regrading porting said software to Playstation, I've been much more interested in BSD and much much less interested in GPL.
In case the transcript isn't still on the crystal space site, RMS was against letting Crystal Space use proprietary PSX libs and still be licensed under the LGPL, after a long winded and very zeolot like argument, the creator implied that it might hurt Sony somehow and then RMS was all for it.
I personally can't stand philosophies like that, although unlike Microsoft I see nothing wrong with those that can using the GPL
It seems to me that if MS is scared of open source, they would be trying alot harder to NOT piss off open source developers.
All their failure to play nicely with open source is going to do is force open source developers to code replacement tools or build replacement hardware (Linux is gaining ground quickly in embedded systems).
These new products that MS forced the development of can only hurt MS's market penetration, even if it is only by one or two users, that's still a loss.
What could they POSSIBLY have to gain from this? Isn't overzealousness what most non open source fans hate most about open source fans? Does not the pendulum swing both ways.
With RMS telling developers they HAVE to release source and MS telling them that the CANNOT release source, how long before the developers say 'Screw both of you!' and all shift to MacOS X?:-)
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I don't really think we need
When Z is need and or desire, it would be very hard for B to survive without it.
So when someone comes along and says crazy stuff like "You can't use a command line to create state of the art software" or any of this other outright bull that they spout that sounds just like something you would read on an MS propoganda page, you can't help but think in the back of your mind "Does this person work for MS"?
Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but thanks to the actions of MS, I can only take such people but so seriously.
He's not, unless there is another just like him on the Yahoo! message board regrading XP removing Java, where UNIX came up.
The guy said (to paraphrase) "Obviously you don't know much about software development if you think a command line is enough for state of the art software development"
haha, is that a JOKE or what? I'm sure Loki and ID don't have but so much dependance on KDevelop, none at all for the products they came out with before it was stable! And isn't Linux the development environment of choice for PS2, I guess cutting edge games aren't considered state of the art! Wait a minute, isn't Linux used by alot of special effects houses who developed their code in house? Guess those guys aren't state of the art!
This person's definition of state of the art seems to vary wildly from mine. The fact of the matter is an Xterm, KWrite, the latest OpenGL (Mesa) and SDL libraries are all, it's all anyone NEEDS, after all, an IDE just puts all those tools in one app with a pretty little button you can click to run them!
What you are saying might take place on Top40 stations, but what about Oldies stations, or Classic Rock stations, do you think that many, possibly defunct, record companies are still paying to promote "Hey Jude" or "Stairway to Heaven"?
What some companies do for promotion of some songs is completely irrelevant to whether or not there is in fact a royalty paid on music aired on the radio.
Given the latest slashdot headline it appears as though some publishers ARE saying that, however your analogy is still wrong. As I said before, if I loan you my Metallica CD (The equivalent of checking out a book), you only have that CD for as long as I let you borrow it. Once you give it back to me, you have to buy it to listen to it. (or borrow it from me again).
By downloading an MP3 you know longer have to pay for the song, yet you can listen to it anytime and anywhere (with a portable mp3 player) that you want to.
So I repeat, there is a huge difference between borrowing something and copying it. Lars doesn't want people COPYING is copyrighted work without his consent. He has shown no problem with lending or borrowing.
And just so you know, HBO doesn't just grab a DVD of the latest movies and broadcast them, the also pay the studios for the broadcast rights.
Just like Metallica can not say that you cannot BORROW a Metallica CD from a friend, nor have they tried to say that.
There is a world of difference between BORROWING and COPYING, as is there a difference between BORROWING and STEALING.
There was just a story in our local paper a few days ago about a small record store that was ran out of business, because after the big chains came in, it's main customers were students at the local college (William and Mary), after Napster was released most of the students got their music off of it, and quit buyng CD's. So in the name of "sticking it to the evil record companies", you've ran a mom and pop store out of business and made it's owner unemployed.
But most of these guys just don't think about target audience, or care about making spam effective, how many of you have gotten spam form letters that read "Hello, my name is fsdk and I live in alkdfjd, and have a great way for you to get rich quickly!". This people are to lazy to type their own names for goodness sake!
And the more widespread pagers become, the more they will subjected to unsolicited advertising. At this point, at least in my house, the phone and email are almost useless due to the signal to noise ratio, any new form of mass communcition can only be destined to the same fate unless laws are passed that prevent it.
Postal mail doesn't bother me so bad, because if I am expected an important letter, and get junk, oh well, I had to get the mail that morning anyhow. Email and Phone (and pager) are different because they can arrive at any time during the day and of course multiple times during the day.
But if telemarketers haven't learned in a few decades that nobody sits around in the dark waiting for them to call and sell some lightbulbs, what are the chances that junk advertisers of future communications are going to learn anything from it?
If the threat of the DOJ and the possible British anti-trust trials aren't enough to make them stop the insanity, at least something they have showed signs of fearing should. Oh well, a guess a leopard really can't ever change his spots
Personally I would pay good money if Apple would come out with MacOS X for Intel. It wouldn't be that hard with Darwin already ported, and with Mac's ease of use, AND the power of UNIX, I imagine alot of companies and indeed average Joe Schmoes would choose MacOS over Windows.
I understand your point about LAN parties, but let's be realistic and compare the two shall we?
For a 4-player PS2 game, I need a PS2, it doesn't matter if my friends have one. I need four controllers, a Muli-tap and a game. Say all that comes up to $500. For a 4-player LAN party, I need a computer with a current graphics card. My 3 friends also need a computer with a current graphics card for each of them. We also need four monitors, plus the game. That's a good $3000 dollars right there. Plus my friends have to bring their big bulky computers and monitors to my house and we have to physically set them up and connect them together. That takes a few minutes, much more than pushing "on" on a console.
So while I certainly understand your point, a LAN party hardly replaces a console at this point.
As a direct result of that I will NEVER buy something from X10. I don't care how good their products are, pissing someone off isn't the best way to get their money.
Consoles also make it much easier for developers to take advantage of proprietary "extensions". On a PC the developer can't make extensive use of say Nvidia specific extensions, without providing alternative support for non-Nvidia cards. The models can't be as tessellated as a GeForce 3 card will support without crawling on a Voodoo2. On consoles there is no compromising as all the systems are exactly the same.
Basically I guess what I'm saying is that I want consoles to remain as "carefree" as they've always been. Of course the X-Box, I think is going to hurt that alot, especially if they make you upgrade DirectX drivers, download patches and such, but hopefully Sony and Nintendo will continue to cater to the CONSOLE market and not try to compete with MS in the "innovative" [sic] PC in a little black box instead of a big beige one market.
So what is it about
Some have inferred that all your data would somehow be stored on remote servers, I can't think of one single solitary purpose for that, not one. Leastways not with writable DVD's on their way in, it certainly isn't an issue of being able to use your files anywhere you go, and download (load) and upload (save) times would be horribly unnecessary when a harddrive works fine. So I can only assume that the whole remote server thing is a misunderstanding on my part
So the question remains, what exactly is
Second of all, the fact that only a few people, business, whatever, are famous really doesn't have a whole hell of alot to do with the attention levels of the consumers. Knowing that Microsoft exists and not some other developer is in fact the exact opposite of ADD, If you don't notice all the MS ads on TV, the reviews and hype of the latest windows OS, and the high profile government trial, then your lack of attention is off the chart. Squaresoft for example doesn't get their name in the paper every day, they don't have reviews outside of video game magazines (except now with the movie). Just because people who don't play videogames don't know who Square is or people who don't do high end graphics work don't know who SGI is, doesn't mean that they don't have the required attention to do so.
The same can be said of Tiger Woods. Golf has historically been an old white man's sport, now a young black/thai man comes in and dominates. That flys in the face of convention and get the attention of those not interested in golf. That DOES NOT make Tiger more famous to those who do watch golf than any other high profile golfer, and it doesn't mean that if someone starts watching golf because of Tiger, that they won't be able to follow or remember the names of other golfers.
But perhaps I am taking the whole tone of the article out of context do to your rather unknowledgable use of the word ADD. But then again based on the review I read of 'The last housewife' on amazon, you don't know the difference between a shotgun and a rifle either. I certainly don't want to lower myself to the level of the hordes of JonKatz bashers, but please do try to know the meanings of your words before you write something, that way I don't waste my time reading your dribble when I could be doing something useful. (which by the way is an example of attention WASTE, not attention DEFICIT, after all the attention was there, just not on anything worthwhile)
That's actually my chief problem with this. My buddy's brand new Dodge Ram was stolen, the cops found it parked outside the thief's house (we all knew who did it from the beginning), the thief's comb was in the truck along with a pencil and a piece of paper with his girlfriends name and number on it, and the paper lady saw him get out of the truck and told the cops about it. They didn't arrest him. Same guy later stole a couple hundred dollars from my neighbors house, cops did nothing. Then he stole my Dirt Bike, the cops basically came out and told me that they knew who did it, then basically said they weren't going to do much about it.
If they won't make an arrest in a Grand Theft Auto case with an eye witness, why should we believe that camera systems are going to improve anything? I don't know that all cops are either as cowardly or as corrupt as Isle of Wight Sheriffs, but I would personally not want a technology like this in the hands of our police.
I would certainly consider what they do as art. 3d Modelling is alot like sculpting, the more detail you put into it, the better it looks. The more detail you want to put the better your artistic vision and "eye" has to be. The only difference is that in 3d modelling you can't just sculpt the object, you also have to place the camera in the perfect position to get the best quality "photograph". And possibly the biggest hangup I've had in modelling is position of lights (and indeed the objects themselves). All of these things are things which affect "real" artists, be they still life arrangers/painters, sculptors or photographers.
In case the transcript isn't still on the crystal space site, RMS was against letting Crystal Space use proprietary PSX libs and still be licensed under the LGPL, after a long winded and very zeolot like argument, the creator implied that it might hurt Sony somehow and then RMS was all for it.
I personally can't stand philosophies like that, although unlike Microsoft I see nothing wrong with those that can using the GPL
All their failure to play nicely with open source is going to do is force open source developers to code replacement tools or build replacement hardware (Linux is gaining ground quickly in embedded systems).
These new products that MS forced the development of can only hurt MS's market penetration, even if it is only by one or two users, that's still a loss.
What could they POSSIBLY have to gain from this? Isn't overzealousness what most non open source fans hate most about open source fans? Does not the pendulum swing both ways.
With RMS telling developers they HAVE to release source and MS telling them that the CANNOT release source, how long before the developers say 'Screw both of you!' and all shift to MacOS X?