I was just yesterday wondering when if ever the new Netscape was going to come out. I guess I have my answer now, and although it is a disappointment I guess for those of you that were expecting it sooner I am glad to see it will be out in two months. Does anybody know if the official netscape version is using GTK for its widgets like mozilla is doing? I really really hate motif. I think that is one of the biggest things I dislike about Netscape under linux is that it is real ugly. Also one more bit of speculation about the delay, what are the chances that they are taking so long so that AOL 6.0 can use Netscape? How long is AOL's contract with MS to use IE? It would be really a great trump card for linux if we had AOL support, which AOL using the Netscape code could give us. Not that I like AOL mind you, in fact I hate it, but I know lots of people who worship it and it would still be a great "big app" to have in the community.
Wow, I actually thought that this story was some kind of sick joke when I first saw the headlines. I had no idea that we could make the blind see again with a microchip! That could indeed be great news for alot of people. I do have a few concerns though. The biggest being that I would like to have surgery to correct my vision, but it is quite expensive. I am wondering if one would have to have Stevie Wonder's fortune to afford such an infinetely more complicated procedure such as the implant of a chip into your eye? If it is to be horribly expensive will insurance cover it? My second concern is that we will have people with good eyesight getting chips put in to get better eyesight. I don't want to see the age where we all are computerized people. Lord knows the human body isn't an unbreakable machine, but it is far more durable than a computer, I mean what if your eye or arm shorts out for some reason, then you have what was a perfectly good eye/arm going haywire because you wanted it to be better. Aw, well I guess I am over reacting, I don't think that we will see healthy people getting these soon, and I have always felt sorry for people with such large disabilities as blindness and paralysis. If this technology can help those people to see or walk again than it would be worth the abuse that it could potential have. By the way, in the above paragraph I just sort of looked into the future about fixing the paralyzed people, the article from ZD was very short, does anyone know if this eye chip technology could help spinal chord injuries and such as well?
Re:Only anti-Linux FUD or all FUD?
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I would agree that there is some FUD being spread by Slashdotter, but you have to understand they we didn't START it. Bill Gates and Microsoft have set forth the rules that they want to play by, take down the enemy at all costs. Well, they have to understand that if they are going to play by those rule then so are we. We aren't a business that has some type of professional image to keep up. Most small businesses don't have the money to stab someone in the back and then cover it up like MS does. But we don't have to do that, we can just turn around when they take attack us from behind, stab them in the front and say "Take that evil scum!" As far as I am concerned when people like MS want this "OS Cold War" to be over they need to put down their weapons. Until then they can't say "dont' complain about us spreading FUD if you are going to retaliate" After all, none of us Linux users really want MS to completely go away, what we want is our fair share of the apps and the market. Think about it, if some guy comes up to you and starts beating you up, are you the bad guy because you fight back? No. Well that's what we are doing. We don't have billions of dollars for marketing campaigns so we do what we can.
IBM has ported linux to thier big supercomputers haven't they? (didn't I read that on slashdot a while ago) It would be rather stupid to bash an OS that they have brought to their platform. I don't think they'll turn on it with FUD As far as Sun goes I wouldn't worry too much about them. With Intel making Linux the first OS to run on the merced, or itanium or whatever they are calling it now, and IBM bringing it to the big computers, and SGI porting IRIS performer over, I don't think Sun FUD would have a big effect on anything, or any FUD for that matter. Linux is growing, it's growing at an incredible rate, faster than any OS in history. FUD tactics don't work against momentum like that. I mean all of the FUD has been put out and yet we still have another major software/hardware company bringing their products to Linux on a more and more regular basis. Besides, it seems to me that SUN hates MS as much as we do. I think if they were looking to attack Linux then they would wait until after it has done all the damage it can do to MS. No since fighting two enemies at the same time.
Have any of you ever been to Nags Head? Let me tell you they are the kings of dumb names down thier. Let me just name a few. I swear I am not making any of these up:
BS - (They sell bathing suits.. either that or BullShit, I'm not sure) Awful Aurthurs - (The sell food. Oh yeah, I just love my food awful. I hate that good tasting stuff) Birthday Suits - (Not quite sure but I think you pay them to steal all your clothes.) And the king of all time stupid business names:
Dirty Dick's Crabs - (It's a restaurant. Let me tell you seeing a biplane carrying a banner that reads "Dirty Dick has Crabs!" is very very dangerous when you are in the ocean holding a body board. A wave caught my board, it popped up and... well lets just say it hurt. Although the people that some my near lifeless body corkscrewing toward the shore thought that I was just a really good bodyboarder. hehe)
Really? Well Leo Laporte just had the same problem on "Call for Help" a few days back, he couldn't access a file because outlook was using it. I've experienced this many times. Maybe it is an obscure preference I need to change? Or maybe I am just too used to Linux. I don't know, either way it happened. I was using Windows 98 if that makes a difference.
Hmmm, you might have something here. When I was unfortunate enough to be using Windows to learn COBOL I kept having to close my editor to use the compiler because MS has the "feature" of not allowing two programs to use the same file at the same time. Think I could sue for loss of time? Come on I know there are some lawyers reading/. can you say "Class Action Suit" We could make millions. hehe.
Well the US's power to stop a Canadian based MS depends on how bad they want it and what branches agree. I mean if MS just moved to Canada our government might get pissed off. And if MS is in Canada then they have less protection in the form of "what affect will this have on the US economy?" If the government as a whole really wanted to stop MS then they could remove all MS products from all government computers. They could offer private institutes free computers that don't run Microsoft. They could mandate UNIX training classes in all of the high schools. I know all of these things of course are very far fetched and would never happen, but the US Government isn't someone I would want to have gunning for me. Besides if MS is convicted or whatever and Canada takes them in wouldn't they be like harboring a fugitive or something? That could be grounds for a complete trade blockade from Canada. Hell we still haven't lifted the one with Cuba, so it's not like it is above the US. It would be very interesting to see if your Canadian government like MS's invasion of the country as much the it's major market blocked off. *Disclaimer* I don't want anyone to think that any statements here were Anti-Canadian. They weren't.
I know I will probably get moderated down for being off topic again, and shouldn't respond to this typical display of pro-microsoft non-intelligent drible, but what the hell. Heres the deal. The DOJ isn't interfering in business the are interfering in illegal activities. Microsoft has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to use their OS to block competitors. (Sometimes quite literally, remember when that "bug" in Outlook blocked email from the electronic postcard company that an MS deal fell through with). You have to differentiate the difference between business and law. The mafia is a business too. Should we leave them alone? "Ahhh who cares if Don Colione just had two men killed, they owed him money, it's all business." I'm sorry I just don't buy that. If someone is breaking the law just because they are doing it under the name of a corporation doesn't make it right.
Anybody watch Sliders? There was an episode where they travelled to this world were MS stock crashed and the whole market was set into ruin. But the thing is I would give ANYTHING to travel to that world, I mean the rebuilding process after such an event without Microsoft to stifle technology would be very rewarding in the end I think. Of course living through a depression doesn't sound like to much fun, but I would still love to go to that world, I mean sure there were terrorists killing people in the streets and tanks driving all over the place, but there was no MS! At least you can put on a bullet proof vest to protect you from terrorists, nothing can save you from MS.:) But seriously, I've said it before. We have had companies broken up before. I am not to concerned about what is going to happen if MS were to be broken up. Quite frankly they could all be made to work as janitors at the RedHat building and quit make windows forever and I wouldn't mind. I guess the most realistic punishment to expect wouldn't be a break up or any such drastic measure. M$ is looking to settle and I'm not sure the DOJ wants to drag it out longer than they have to. We'll probably see M$ get the same punishment that serial killers and the like get here in the good ol' U S of A. A Slap on the wrist and a "Don't do that again please". Let's face it we sure aren't famous for our top notch criminal punishing abilities.
Well, you are sort of comparing apples and oranges. See your grandfather went to the shopkeeper, so the shopkeeper wasn't a spammer. He was a website with cookies enabled:) (That could incidently be sued by Amazon.com if he kept your credit card number on file). I think we would appreciate the shopkeepers "service" significantly less if he just busted up in your house yelling "I've got bookcases I've got bookcases" when the two of you have never even met before. Quite frankly if someone just invaded my house (including spammers if I ever find one of the rat bastards) I don't care what they are selling whether it is bookcases or siding. If I want bookcases I will go to the shopkeeper who has given me such good service and never busted up in my house. On the other hand the house buster/located spammer is going to find an irate home owner holding a baseball bat ready to Laissez les bon temps rouller, let the good times roll!
dumb linus long hairs will by it Do what by it? Stand by it? Dance by it? huh? If I'm the dumb long hair how come you don't know the difference between by and buy?
beter than linus? linus sux! Not quite sure what beter is. And I've never had Linus on my computer. Not sure he could run it very well though what with that blue blanket getting in the way all the time. Of coure Linux is great! Far better than Windows CE by any name.
Seriously fellow slashdotters. Don't you just love the windows advocates. Non of them can spell, make complete sentences, yet they claim how superior their OS is.
Everybody seems to be so upset for the programmers. I agree it is kinda cool to see your name in the credits of something. But personally I don't code so I can become famous. I do it because I enjoy it and because I can create some tools that I need or want. The Apple people still have this, they still enjoy what they are doing and probably don't care about the credit situation. I mean think about it, when you go to a restaraunt it doesn't say on the menu, the food is prepared by so-and-so. When you buy a car there isn't a pamphlet that says this car was assembled by so-and-so. Heck when you buy jeans all you get is the number of the inspector (it almost always seems to be 11). I think we are all getting too worked up for nothing. The programmers can still put food in their family's mouth and a roof over their head. I think that is what is really important to them.
He doesn't have anything on baby Stephanie from "Newhart" She was only a few months old and was CEO of a TV Station. hehe Seriously though, never thought I'd see that ridiculous TV show situation even come this close to being real;)
I love old cars. I Have a 1973 Plymouth Roadrunner and a 1971 Dodge Charger. This might sound odd coming from a computer lover, but I HATE the fact that everything on new cars is computer controlled. They always talk about how the "computer" gives you better gas mileage. Let me explain something to y'all
4000lb car, big block v8, quarter mile 13.5 seconds 2000lb car, 4 cylinder, quarter mile 16.5 seconds. Am I the only one that sees that it's not the computer improving the gas mileage?! Come on its half the weight and half the power, of course it is going to get better gas mileage. Just hope you never have to get out of the way of a semi in any kind of a hurry cause whatever you saved on gas mileage you'll be spending on hospital bills Whats that? your still not convinced. Let's try some more numbers.
My friend's 1997 Dodge Ram 3" Lift Kit 360 cubic inch motor. 13 MPG. 1971 Dodge Challenger, 426 Hemi Motor, 13.1 second quarter mile. Totally stock. 12 mpg. There not a big difference there. The truck has a computer, shouldn't it be getting alot better gas mileage? NO!
If one of my cars breaks down on me, it is very simple to fix, no computer it's all mechanical, grab some duck tape and your hooked up. But with a computer controlled car you are SOL if something goes wrong. I swear my father once worked on a car that cut off if you turned right!
Now, lets examine the facts again. Non-computer cars have mechanical failings to worry about. Easy to fix. Computer cars have mechanical AND computer failings to worry about. Mechanicals not easy to fix cause all the stupid electronics are in the way of the motor. Computer is impossible to fix without parts.
Hmmm, isn't napster the same program whose creators are being sued by the recording industry for aiding in the piracy of MP3s? There seems to be a double standard in a borderline legal product that was created for the sole purpose of piracy (they say it wasn't, but come on, what did they think was going to happen?) complaining because a clone is compromising it's own security.
Yeah, I was actually just going to check the docs and reply to my own message if I could do that. I just realized what you meant when you said 1024x768 was a mistake on the webpage, sorry I wasn't really paying attention to what I was reading. Still don't you think 1024X768 is a bit large for a default? Mouse still doesn't work I guess I'll look at some of the command line arguments (maybe one of them will fix it?)
The program will start in a 800x600 mode, but the whole thing doesn't fit on the screen. It looks just like Quake III does if I set it for 1024x768. The mouse doesn't work either, but that might have something to do with the wrong video mode settings as the mouse works fine in Unreal.
Well I just spent hours downloading the demos and runtime environment. And even more hours getting Mesa 3.1 to run on my computer without breaking every other GL program I have and guess what? A VoodooII isn't a powerful enought chipset. That's right my VoodooII only runs at 800x600 resolution and for some reason they REQUIRE 1024X768 Come on, what is this SGI? We are running Intels, not Silicon Graphics Workstations. Give me a break here!
Well, actually it might help SGI. As someone said in another post, by getting us Linux users used to the SGI product line they could pave the way for those of use looking at buying a high end computer to buy a Silicon Graphics Machine. I would personally love to have a big powerhouse of a computer if I had the money, if I was already familiar with the SGI interface, then I might just make that computer an SGI brand.
In the screenshots gallery it says that the city scape in one of the screenshots was done with a database program. I admit I don't know much about Iris but "database" has a very broad term. I database containing a graphical city is just as possible as a database containing slashdot comments. There was also a racing game demo and quite frankly I don't care if the graphics are drawn from a database or the same team of Uber Ninjas that draws the Slashdot main page for me. (Yes I know the Uber Ninjas are really a MySQL database and my whole sentence is redundant but leave me alone, I'm trying to be symbolic here. Gees why do you have to be so literal all the time) All I care about is the end result, and if the end result is me being able to scream down the mean streets of (enter name of mean city here) running from the fuz in my vintage american v8, then I'm all for it.
Hey, yeah, somebody get me Jerr... Uh never mind, the thoughts of actually agreeing with Jerry Falwell on anything gives me shivers. Better keep this from them.;)
Hmmm, does anyone else think God (or Alla or Odin, or the Great Bannanarama, or whoever your supreme being is) will have a problem with these big companies patenting His invention?
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Does anybody know if the official netscape version is using GTK for its widgets like mozilla is doing? I really really hate motif. I think that is one of the biggest things I dislike about Netscape under linux is that it is real ugly.
Also one more bit of speculation about the delay, what are the chances that they are taking so long so that AOL 6.0 can use Netscape? How long is AOL's contract with MS to use IE? It would be really a great trump card for linux if we had AOL support, which AOL using the Netscape code could give us. Not that I like AOL mind you, in fact I hate it, but I know lots of people who worship it and it would still be a great "big app" to have in the community.
I do have a few concerns though. The biggest being that I would like to have surgery to correct my vision, but it is quite expensive. I am wondering if one would have to have Stevie Wonder's fortune to afford such an infinetely more complicated procedure such as the implant of a chip into your eye? If it is to be horribly expensive will insurance cover it?
My second concern is that we will have people with good eyesight getting chips put in to get better eyesight. I don't want to see the age where we all are computerized people. Lord knows the human body isn't an unbreakable machine, but it is far more durable than a computer, I mean what if your eye or arm shorts out for some reason, then you have what was a perfectly good eye/arm going haywire because you wanted it to be better.
Aw, well I guess I am over reacting, I don't think that we will see healthy people getting these soon, and I have always felt sorry for people with such large disabilities as blindness and paralysis. If this technology can help those people to see or walk again than it would be worth the abuse that it could potential have.
By the way, in the above paragraph I just sort of looked into the future about fixing the paralyzed people, the article from ZD was very short, does anyone know if this eye chip technology could help spinal chord injuries and such as well?
As far as I am concerned when people like MS want this "OS Cold War" to be over they need to put down their weapons. Until then they can't say "dont' complain about us spreading FUD if you are going to retaliate" After all, none of us Linux users really want MS to completely go away, what we want is our fair share of the apps and the market. Think about it, if some guy comes up to you and starts beating you up, are you the bad guy because you fight back? No. Well that's what we are doing. We don't have billions of dollars for marketing campaigns so we do what we can.
As far as Sun goes I wouldn't worry too much about them. With Intel making Linux the first OS to run on the merced, or itanium or whatever they are calling it now, and IBM bringing it to the big computers, and SGI porting IRIS performer over, I don't think Sun FUD would have a big effect on anything, or any FUD for that matter. Linux is growing, it's growing at an incredible rate, faster than any OS in history. FUD tactics don't work against momentum like that. I mean all of the FUD has been put out and yet we still have another major software/hardware company bringing their products to Linux on a more and more regular basis.
Besides, it seems to me that SUN hates MS as much as we do. I think if they were looking to attack Linux then they would wait until after it has done all the damage it can do to MS. No since fighting two enemies at the same time.
Well I would guess because NYNE would be pronounced "ninnie" hehe.
BS - (They sell bathing suits.. either that or BullShit, I'm not sure)
Awful Aurthurs - (The sell food. Oh yeah, I just love my food awful. I hate that good tasting stuff)
Birthday Suits - (Not quite sure but I think you pay them to steal all your clothes.)
And the king of all time stupid business names:
Dirty Dick's Crabs - (It's a restaurant. Let me tell you seeing a biplane carrying a banner that reads "Dirty Dick has Crabs!" is very very dangerous when you are in the ocean holding a body board. A wave caught my board, it popped up and... well lets just say it hurt. Although the people that some my near lifeless body corkscrewing toward the shore thought that I was just a really good bodyboarder. hehe)
Come on I know there are some lawyers reading
If the government as a whole really wanted to stop MS then they could remove all MS products from all government computers. They could offer private institutes free computers that don't run Microsoft. They could mandate UNIX training classes in all of the high schools. I know all of these things of course are very far fetched and would never happen, but the US Government isn't someone I would want to have gunning for me.
Besides if MS is convicted or whatever and Canada takes them in wouldn't they be like harboring a fugitive or something? That could be grounds for a complete trade blockade from Canada. Hell we still haven't lifted the one with Cuba, so it's not like it is above the US. It would be very interesting to see if your Canadian government like MS's invasion of the country as much the it's major market blocked off.
*Disclaimer* I don't want anyone to think that any statements here were Anti-Canadian. They weren't.
Heres the deal. The DOJ isn't interfering in business the are interfering in illegal activities. Microsoft has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to use their OS to block competitors. (Sometimes quite literally, remember when that "bug" in Outlook blocked email from the electronic postcard company that an MS deal fell through with). You have to differentiate the difference between business and law.
The mafia is a business too. Should we leave them alone? "Ahhh who cares if Don Colione just had two men killed, they owed him money, it's all business." I'm sorry I just don't buy that. If someone is breaking the law just because they are doing it under the name of a corporation doesn't make it right.
But seriously, I've said it before. We have had companies broken up before. I am not to concerned about what is going to happen if MS were to be broken up. Quite frankly they could all be made to work as janitors at the RedHat building and quit make windows forever and I wouldn't mind.
I guess the most realistic punishment to expect wouldn't be a break up or any such drastic measure. M$ is looking to settle and I'm not sure the DOJ wants to drag it out longer than they have to. We'll probably see M$ get the same punishment that serial killers and the like get here in the good ol' U S of A. A Slap on the wrist and a "Don't do that again please". Let's face it we sure aren't famous for our top notch criminal punishing abilities.
I think we would appreciate the shopkeepers "service" significantly less if he just busted up in your house yelling "I've got bookcases I've got bookcases" when the two of you have never even met before.
Quite frankly if someone just invaded my house (including spammers if I ever find one of the rat bastards) I don't care what they are selling whether it is bookcases or siding. If I want bookcases I will go to the shopkeeper who has given me such good service and never busted up in my house. On the other hand the house buster/located spammer is going to find an irate home owner holding a baseball bat ready to Laissez les bon temps rouller, let the good times roll!
beter than linus? linus sux! Not quite sure what beter is. And I've never had Linus on my computer. Not sure he could run it very well though what with that blue blanket getting in the way all the time. Of coure Linux is great! Far better than Windows CE by any name.
Seriously fellow slashdotters. Don't you just love the windows advocates. Non of them can spell, make complete sentences, yet they claim how superior their OS is.
I mean think about it, when you go to a restaraunt it doesn't say on the menu, the food is prepared by so-and-so. When you buy a car there isn't a pamphlet that says this car was assembled by so-and-so. Heck when you buy jeans all you get is the number of the inspector (it almost always seems to be 11).
I think we are all getting too worked up for nothing. The programmers can still put food in their family's mouth and a roof over their head. I think that is what is really important to them.
Seriously though, never thought I'd see that ridiculous TV show situation even come this close to being real
4000lb car, big block v8, quarter mile 13.5 seconds
2000lb car, 4 cylinder, quarter mile 16.5 seconds.
Am I the only one that sees that it's not the computer improving the gas mileage?! Come on its half the weight and half the power, of course it is going to get better gas mileage. Just hope you never have to get out of the way of a semi in any kind of a hurry cause whatever you saved on gas mileage you'll be spending on hospital bills
Whats that? your still not convinced. Let's try some more numbers.
My friend's 1997 Dodge Ram 3" Lift Kit 360 cubic inch motor. 13 MPG.
1971 Dodge Challenger, 426 Hemi Motor, 13.1 second quarter mile. Totally stock. 12 mpg.
There not a big difference there. The truck has a computer, shouldn't it be getting alot better gas mileage? NO!
If one of my cars breaks down on me, it is very simple to fix, no computer it's all mechanical, grab some duck tape and your hooked up. But with a computer controlled car you are SOL if something goes wrong. I swear my father once worked on a car that cut off if you turned right!
Now, lets examine the facts again.
Non-computer cars have mechanical failings to worry about. Easy to fix.
Computer cars have mechanical AND computer failings to worry about. Mechanicals not easy to fix cause all the stupid electronics are in the way of the motor. Computer is impossible to fix without parts.
There seems to be a double standard in a borderline legal product that was created for the sole purpose of piracy (they say it wasn't, but come on, what did they think was going to happen?) complaining because a clone is compromising it's own security.
Still don't you think 1024X768 is a bit large for a default?
Mouse still doesn't work I guess I'll look at some of the command line arguments (maybe one of them will fix it?)
Come on, what is this SGI? We are running Intels, not Silicon Graphics Workstations. Give me a break here!
There was also a racing game demo and quite frankly I don't care if the graphics are drawn from a database or the same team of Uber Ninjas that draws the Slashdot main page for me. (Yes I know the Uber Ninjas are really a MySQL database and my whole sentence is redundant but leave me alone, I'm trying to be symbolic here. Gees why do you have to be so literal all the time) All I care about is the end result, and if the end result is me being able to scream down the mean streets of (enter name of mean city here) running from the fuz in my vintage american v8, then I'm all for it.