Hmmm, I am not sure how liability on something like this works, I mean I can go off of the wrong hill on my dirt bike and die too, but I can't sue Yamaha when it happens.
Hey I just read your other response, the one with colorcases.com and that was a much better example of your point. Sorry for any offense I might have caused, but you can ignore the response to this message and read the one to your colorcases.com message.
Woah! Thanks! I can admit when I am wrong. I knew that some companies were looking into color cases. E-machines blatantly ripped off the iMac, and while I don't think they should have been sued over it, I think the PC industry already has enough of the "Microsoft" style innovation. (Copy exactly, claim as your own) You're VAIO example really wasn't very good though as that still has heavy grey overtones, and to be honest, although these links provide awesome cases and such I would still give credit to Apple for not making the consumer search out such stuff. I think these companies could make alot more money if they could get some capital for some TV or Magazine ads or something, they are really on to something. I know at one time Intel was debuting new shapes for computers, but they looked more like modern art then computers. You know, I think they main reason for this argument is just mixed signals, I wasn't speaking of Linux users, just average users, and the average user when asked which company gives more color choices would say apple. But I am man enough to admit I was wrong if you are:) BTW, although I didn't appreciate being called a Trog that lives in a cave, I hope you didn't take too much offense in me calling you a color blind person that had to have his mommy tell him Carrot Top's is a redhead. As you can tell I get defensive really quick. Sorry.
You call that blue and I need to get out of a cave? That color is bland it still looks like it is based on grey. Can I get one in red? purple? orange? Why can't you people just admit that Macintosh offers more choices when it comes to looks? I am not asking that you admit it is a better computer, I am not asking you to admit that it is worth buying, I am not even asking that you admit that it deserves to exist, but for christs sake any 5 year old can see that it comes in more colors than a PC does! 256 shades of grey do not count as color options. Gees, I am surprised you even realize that Carrot Top is a red head, did your mommy have to tell you that?
You might want to look at KDE's new browser. (the one that will come with KDE 2.0) When it is released that said they plan Javascript and Java support. Those two things are the only things keeping me with Netscape now. Although it would be nice if we could get Flash and other plugins for Konqueror I doubt that will ever be possible. Also Opera for Linux is coming out soon. I've never used it but it is a Web Browser that people are willing to pay for, it must be some kinda good
Would you people please tell me wear you shop that the AVERAGE comsumer also shops. That's what we are talking about here choice to the AVERAGE consumer. I know my local SEARS, or Office Max, or CompUSA, nor any of the Catalogs I get offer anything but varying shades of grey and black. So please just tell me what commonly shopped store I can walk into and getting a bright F***ing red Linux box? huh? where?
Recently I have been looking into Patent law for my own reasons. From what I understand if someone can prove they created e-commerce before this punk, then they are entitled to the patent on it, not him. It's a way of protecting your rights as an inventor (I use the term loosely in this case) and insuring that your ideas aren't stolen. Now the internet just turned 30 years old awhile back. And I can remember episodes of 3-2-1 Contact from the 80's that showed how you could do your banking with a computer and a device called a "modem" (hmmm imagine that.hehe) This guy didn't file till 1993, seems to me he could easily be proven to not be the first "inventor" of e-commerce and if I understand the law correctly if he is not the first, then the man who was is entitled to the patent. I wouldn't think we could narrow it down to the actual first person, but I think it would be VERY easy to prove that 1993 wasn't the first time e-commerce was used, which should effectively nullify his patent, right?
I've never walked into a store and saw a blue computer that wasn't an Apple. I've never walked into a store and been presented with anything except Windows Apple only has one OS as well, but they do have more colors. They win. Deal with it.
So you like Korn? Do you work at Hardee's and brag on spitting on people's food like my Sister's boyfriend does? Are you a burnout that doesn't know up from down? Do you know the definition of "Computer Programing"?
If any Korn fans out there answered yes to any of the above questions then you are not in the same group. How is it a stereotype to say "people that listen to Korn, spit in food, and don't know what computer programming is" I think that is a relatively specific statement and personally if you spit in my food, just because you are wearing a shirt that say "Linus Torvalds Rules!" doesn't mean I am not going to dunk your head in the french fry vat, but somehow I doubt very many people that use Linux spit in peoples food. If I am wrong and am just stereotyping the Linux user, then I would at least like to keep my delusions that my fellow linux users are a bit more sophisticated than that.
PC_Builder:Well sir, here is your shiny new computer... Buyer:It's grey. PC_Builder:Yes it is, but its got... Buyer:Can I get it in blue? My carpet is blue. PC_Builder:Umm, no. But it does come with your choice or more ram/less ram, more hard drive/less hard drive and any flavor of Windows you would like. Buyer:But I want Linux. PC_Builder:Sorry can't have it Buyer:BeOS? PC_Builder:Nope Buyer:FreeBSD!? PC_Builder:How 'bout a big 'ole can of.. NOPE Buyer:Why not? PC_Builder:You'll have to talk to Adolf Gates, the choice nazi, about that one, we are under contract, if we sell you a computer without windows we will be thrown in the concentration camps.
Later, at MS Headquarters Buyer:Mr. Gates could you please possibly make an exeption and allow [insert major computer manufacturer here] to sell me a computer without Windows. I think the consumer deserves to make the choice. Bill:NO CHOICE FOR YOU!! Buyer:But Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS are all better than Win... Bill:GAURDS!! Have this man executed!
Hmm, although the typical Linux user knows of places that sell Linux Boxes. The average consumer doesn't, and us Linux users still can't go to the store and get one. And to me whether or not you can "customize" your hardware is irrelevant if the company offers different packages. I mean are you really going to get a 15gb hard drive and 32megs of ram? No you are going to get big hard drive/big ram or small hard drive/small ram. That's what Apple provides. Apple however offers thier computers in some different colors which does offer more choice than in the PC industry. Apples computer aren't plug ugly like this compaq I have setting here and I think like me most PC users are a little jealous, but for some reason we attack things when we are jealous of them. No I do not own a Mac. I never have owned a Mac. I have never used a Mac. But Macintosh is a good computer. I have heard far more complaints from Windows users than Mac users. I have heard far worse things about the reliability of Packard Bell and others, my Compaq doesn't even work with Voodoo3's I had to get a Voodoo2 because Compaq screwed up when they made the BIOS. Regardless of which computer manufacturer you prefer, none of them are all filled with rose petals like so many PC users seem to think.
The Linux community has created an entire operating system that has big corporations shaking in thier boots solely through communication channels such as the internet and yet they are considered socially enept. Does socially enept mean that you don't hang out with Pot-Heads, and football stars and other such "cool" people. Just because our friends are people that share our interests doesn't mean we don't have friends.
And as far as this whole geek word stuff is concerned it is very annoying. You can't turn on ZDTV without some caller calling in and saying "Hey guys I figured out how the 'Start' menu on Windows 95 works, I'm a geek now! Hooray. duh-heee!" I find it odd that I could practically train a chimp to USE Win95, but not even MS technical support can tell us why it won't work. The problem is like my.sig says, Yeah, Linux is a bit harder to learn, but when you do learn it you KNOW it. If something goes wrong you have the fundamental knowledge required to diagnose it. The super ease of use that Windows provides IMHO is now necessarily a good thing because I for one believe that everyone should know how to fix there computer without having to spend $45 just to have technical support help them when the thing gets stuck in safe mode. (A real life incident that happened to a neighbor.) Aww well, I guess the less the users know and the more the company's tell them they are now "geeks" the more money the tech support people can make. I just wish that the average user would realise the connection.
Well, I could bench press 150% of my body weight, (sadly I am grossly out of shape now) and out wrestle anyone twice my size with ease. The sad thing about society is that until some people knew that I could open up a can of whuppass on 'em I was just a "wierd person" as they put it.
It's always amazed me how I suddenly become the center of attention when I put somebody bigger than me down and have them cry uncle, but when I mention programming a computer I usually get a response like "What's that mean?" Yes, my sister's ex-boyfriend actually didn't understand the terminology. He is your typical Korn listening to burnout that prides himself on spitting in peoples food at his job at Hardees. Kinda odd how WE are the ones being accused of having mental problems, isn't it?
Lot's of Telsa's inventions didn't become big because science considered him an outcast. His electric engine that powered the Model T (A?) at 90 miles and hour for a week without being recharged was called "Black Magic" by the scientists that couldn't explain it. His Tesla coil is still one of the most amazing electrical devices today and his life has been mimicked by authors for their character for years (Remember the Professor on the short lived Richard Dean Anderson show "Legend"?)
I would say the crap that the other scientists put him through would definetly earn him the title of what they are calling a "geek". It is just sad that now that society realises we need geniuses like him, he's not here.
A whole hell of alot more people are killed/injured everyday by gunshot wounds/ car accidents, etc. Does that mean if I get shot I can sue Colt? or if I get ran over I can sue Chrysler? Coffee is HOT! If I accidently put my hand on a hot stove burner I can't sue Kenmore. There are alot of products out there that are dangerous, every one of them probably has lots of accident reports/complaints a year, probably even more so than McDonalds coffee. Hell, I can't count the number of times I've been loosening a bolt and cracked my knuckles when it broke, I'm not going to sue Craftsmen for making the wrench, or the company that made the bolt, I can't sue Father Time for rusting the bolt in the first place. The bottom line is accidents happen, sometimes they are painful and even fatal. That doesn't make it the fault of the manufacturer
MS Unix compatiblity is a JOKE. I don't run Linux because of the applications I can use. Neither do big business's. Linux/UNIX is chosen over Microsoft because of Stability and Security, something NT doesn't have. They had better watch out too, if alot of people realise that they can get alot of work done with UNIX products, then next time they get the blue screen of death they might not be so hesitant to blast that Windows partition in favor of Linux or *BSD
Hell, lets sue McDonalds. Those happy meals are probably just as addictive.
Reminds me of the woman that sued McDonalds because the HOT coffee was.... get this.. Hot. Or the man that sued the Windex people because he washed his contacts in Windex...WITH AMMONIA. Don't these people read the labels? We really need laws against stupidity. I think if you sue for your own ignorance you should go to jail for obstructing justice, I mean there could have been a REAL case in your time slot. It's like the comedian said "My grand piano doesn't have a label warning me not to go slam the lid on my balls so I think I'll go do it and sue them"
Trying not to sound like the Linux Advocates everyone seems to hate let me just say if you want to look at the REAL facts then you have to look at REAL life. You have to look at the number of attempts on each box and the level of skill of the administrators. More importantly to solve the NT is insecure argument talk to someone who works with it. I know a guy that works on our county machines which are NT and he could tell me exactly how to get into it through various holes. Or watch ZDTV once in a while. MS has been hacked something like 8 times in two months. Hotmail twice I know. All these computers were administered by MS. Look at all the complaints about hotmails lack of speed and security since the switch to NT. Security isn't the only aspect of a good Web Serving OS. You have to look at Stability, Speed, etc. In real life their won't be thousands of hackers going after the average site. There will however be thousands of users who expect good service. Speaking of which did anybody here go to the hackpcweek site when slashdot first announced it. For me at least the NT box took three or four times as long to load as the Linux box. Looks like Linux is more suited to handle the Slashdot effect to me.
Could someone please give me the MS definition of innovation? MS "innovated" when they made Windows. It was a GUI. oooh. Guess what? Xerox, Macintosh and UNIX all had GUI's before MS came out with Windows. (Just take a look at the Athena widget set copyright dates in the source code if you don't believe me) where is the innovation? All Microsoft has ever done is silently "team" with a company, steal thier work and through lots of PR Men and Spin Doctor overtime pretend the company that actually did the work never existed. For example the SpyGlass/IE case mentioned earlier, or the SEGA/MS "team" now MS is coming out with a game system?! How much do you think they learned on thier own and how much did that get from stabbing SEGA in the back? Anybody that thinks Microsoft is "innocent" in any way needs to take a look at the many illegal tricks they have pulled. Like when they "teamed" with that Electronic Postcard company (I can't think of the name now. I can find it if anyone wants it though) then the deal fell through and all of a sudden a "bug" in Outlook stopped the postcards from that company from arriving in peoples emails. Last time I checked bugs don't block emails from a certain email address. What we need is a company to once and for all stand up and tell MS where to go. Heck, I have plenty of ideas for Software/Hardware products and Anti-MS campaigns. I tell you what, find me some investors and I'll step up to the plate.
Hmmm. I've never once had a problem finding out which file to run. Especially with RPM files as we are talking about. It really isn't that hard. Anything installed in/usr/bin can be executed. The executable for the program is usually the name of the program.
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You're VAIO example really wasn't very good though as that still has heavy grey overtones, and to be honest, although these links provide awesome cases and such I would still give credit to Apple for not making the consumer search out such stuff. I think these companies could make alot more money if they could get some capital for some TV or Magazine ads or something, they are really on to something.
I know at one time Intel was debuting new shapes for computers, but they looked more like modern art then computers.
You know, I think they main reason for this argument is just mixed signals, I wasn't speaking of Linux users, just average users, and the average user when asked which company gives more color choices would say apple. But I am man enough to admit I was wrong if you are
BTW, although I didn't appreciate being called a Trog that lives in a cave, I hope you didn't take too much offense in me calling you a color blind person that had to have his mommy tell him Carrot Top's is a redhead. As you can tell I get defensive really quick. Sorry.
You call that blue and I need to get out of a cave? That color is bland it still looks like it is based on grey. Can I get one in red? purple? orange? Why can't you people just admit that Macintosh offers more choices when it comes to looks?
I am not asking that you admit it is a better computer, I am not asking you to admit that it is worth buying, I am not even asking that you admit that it deserves to exist, but for christs sake any 5 year old can see that it comes in more colors than a PC does! 256 shades of grey do not count as color options. Gees, I am surprised you even realize that Carrot Top is a red head, did your mommy have to tell you that?
Also Opera for Linux is coming out soon. I've never used it but it is a Web Browser that people are willing to pay for, it must be some kinda good
So please just tell me what commonly shopped store I can walk into and getting a bright F***ing red Linux box? huh? where?
Now the internet just turned 30 years old awhile back. And I can remember episodes of 3-2-1 Contact from the 80's that showed how you could do your banking with a computer and a device called a "modem" (hmmm imagine that.hehe) This guy didn't file till 1993, seems to me he could easily be proven to not be the first "inventor" of e-commerce and if I understand the law correctly if he is not the first, then the man who was is entitled to the patent.
I wouldn't think we could narrow it down to the actual first person, but I think it would be VERY easy to prove that 1993 wasn't the first time e-commerce was used, which should effectively nullify his patent, right?
I've never walked into a store and saw a blue computer that wasn't an Apple.
I've never walked into a store and been presented with anything except Windows
Apple only has one OS as well, but they do have more colors. They win. Deal with it.
If any Korn fans out there answered yes to any of the above questions then you are not in the same group. How is it a stereotype to say "people that listen to Korn, spit in food, and don't know what computer programming is" I think that is a relatively specific statement and personally if you spit in my food, just because you are wearing a shirt that say "Linus Torvalds Rules!" doesn't mean I am not going to dunk your head in the french fry vat, but somehow I doubt very many people that use Linux spit in peoples food. If I am wrong and am just stereotyping the Linux user, then I would at least like to keep my delusions that my fellow linux users are a bit more sophisticated than that.
Buyer:It's grey.
PC_Builder:Yes it is, but its got...
Buyer:Can I get it in blue? My carpet is blue.
PC_Builder:Umm, no. But it does come with your choice or more ram/less ram, more hard drive/less hard drive and any flavor of Windows you would like.
Buyer:But I want Linux.
PC_Builder:Sorry can't have it
Buyer:BeOS?
PC_Builder:Nope
Buyer:FreeBSD!?
PC_Builder:How 'bout a big 'ole can of.. NOPE
Buyer:Why not? PC_Builder:You'll have to talk to Adolf Gates, the choice nazi, about that one, we are under contract, if we sell you a computer without windows we will be thrown in the concentration camps.
Later, at MS Headquarters
Buyer:Mr. Gates could you please possibly make an exeption and allow [insert major computer manufacturer here] to sell me a computer without Windows. I think the consumer deserves to make the choice.
Bill:NO CHOICE FOR YOU!!
Buyer:But Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS are all better than Win...
Bill:GAURDS!! Have this man executed!
Hmm, although the typical Linux user knows of places that sell Linux Boxes. The average consumer doesn't, and us Linux users still can't go to the store and get one. And to me whether or not you can "customize" your hardware is irrelevant if the company offers different packages. I mean are you really going to get a 15gb hard drive and 32megs of ram? No you are going to get big hard drive/big ram or small hard drive/small ram. That's what Apple provides. Apple however offers thier computers in some different colors which does offer more choice than in the PC industry. Apples computer aren't plug ugly like this compaq I have setting here and I think like me most PC users are a little jealous, but for some reason we attack things when we are jealous of them.
No I do not own a Mac. I never have owned a Mac. I have never used a Mac. But Macintosh is a good computer. I have heard far more complaints from Windows users than Mac users. I have heard far worse things about the reliability of Packard Bell and others, my Compaq doesn't even work with Voodoo3's I had to get a Voodoo2 because Compaq screwed up when they made the BIOS. Regardless of which computer manufacturer you prefer, none of them are all filled with rose petals like so many PC users seem to think.
The Linux community has created an entire operating system that has big corporations shaking in thier boots solely through communication channels such as the internet and yet they are considered socially enept. Does socially enept mean that you don't hang out with Pot-Heads, and football stars and other such "cool" people. Just because our friends are people that share our interests doesn't mean we don't have friends.
And as far as this whole geek word stuff is concerned it is very annoying. You can't turn on ZDTV without some caller calling in and saying "Hey guys I figured out how the 'Start' menu on Windows 95 works, I'm a geek now! Hooray. duh-heee!" I find it odd that I could practically train a chimp to USE Win95, but not even MS technical support can tell us why it won't work. The problem is like my .sig says, Yeah, Linux is a bit harder to learn, but when you do learn it you KNOW it. If something goes wrong you have the fundamental knowledge required to diagnose it. The super ease of use that Windows provides IMHO is now necessarily a good thing because I for one believe that everyone should know how to fix there computer without having to spend $45 just to have technical support help them when the thing gets stuck in safe mode. (A real life incident that happened to a neighbor.) Aww well, I guess the less the users know and the more the company's tell them they are now "geeks" the more money the tech support people can make. I just wish that the average user would realise the connection.
It's always amazed me how I suddenly become the center of attention when I put somebody bigger than me down and have them cry uncle, but when I mention programming a computer I usually get a response like "What's that mean?" Yes, my sister's ex-boyfriend actually didn't understand the terminology. He is your typical Korn listening to burnout that prides himself on spitting in peoples food at his job at Hardees. Kinda odd how WE are the ones being accused of having mental problems, isn't it?
I would say the crap that the other scientists put him through would definetly earn him the title of what they are calling a "geek". It is just sad that now that society realises we need geniuses like him, he's not here.
A whole hell of alot more people are killed/injured everyday by gunshot wounds/ car accidents, etc. Does that mean if I get shot I can sue Colt? or if I get ran over I can sue Chrysler? Coffee is HOT! If I accidently put my hand on a hot stove burner I can't sue Kenmore.
There are alot of products out there that are dangerous, every one of them probably has lots of accident reports/complaints a year, probably even more so than McDonalds coffee. Hell, I can't count the number of times I've been loosening a bolt and cracked my knuckles when it broke, I'm not going to sue Craftsmen for making the wrench, or the company that made the bolt, I can't sue Father Time for rusting the bolt in the first place.
The bottom line is accidents happen, sometimes they are painful and even fatal. That doesn't make it the fault of the manufacturer
They had better watch out too, if alot of people realise that they can get alot of work done with UNIX products, then next time they get the blue screen of death they might not be so hesitant to blast that Windows partition in favor of Linux or *BSD
Reminds me of the woman that sued McDonalds because the HOT coffee was.... get this.. Hot.
Or the man that sued the Windex people because he washed his contacts in Windex...WITH AMMONIA.
Don't these people read the labels? We really need laws against stupidity. I think if you sue for your own ignorance you should go to jail for obstructing justice, I mean there could have been a REAL case in your time slot.
It's like the comedian said "My grand piano doesn't have a label warning me not to go slam the lid on my balls so I think I'll go do it and sue them"
Trying not to sound like the Linux Advocates everyone seems to hate let me just say if you want to look at the REAL facts then you have to look at REAL life. You have to look at the number of attempts on each box and the level of skill of the administrators. More importantly to solve the NT is insecure argument talk to someone who works with it. I know a guy that works on our county machines which are NT and he could tell me exactly how to get into it through various holes. Or watch ZDTV once in a while. MS has been hacked something like 8 times in two months. Hotmail twice I know. All these computers were administered by MS. Look at all the complaints about hotmails lack of speed and security since the switch to NT. Security isn't the only aspect of a good Web Serving OS. You have to look at Stability, Speed, etc. In real life their won't be thousands of hackers going after the average site. There will however be thousands of users who expect good service. Speaking of which did anybody here go to the hackpcweek site when slashdot first announced it. For me at least the NT box took three or four times as long to load as the Linux box. Looks like Linux is more suited to handle the Slashdot effect to me.
There wouldn't BE a slashdot effect if it was easy to handle.
Could someone please give me the MS definition of innovation? MS "innovated" when they made Windows. It was a GUI. oooh. Guess what? Xerox, Macintosh and UNIX all had GUI's before MS came out with Windows. (Just take a look at the Athena widget set copyright dates in the source code if you don't believe me) where is the innovation?
All Microsoft has ever done is silently "team" with a company, steal thier work and through lots of PR Men and Spin Doctor overtime pretend the company that actually did the work never existed. For example the SpyGlass/IE case mentioned earlier, or the SEGA/MS "team" now MS is coming out with a game system?! How much do you think they learned on thier own and how much did that get from stabbing SEGA in the back?
Anybody that thinks Microsoft is "innocent" in any way needs to take a look at the many illegal tricks they have pulled. Like when they "teamed" with that Electronic Postcard company (I can't think of the name now. I can find it if anyone wants it though) then the deal fell through and all of a sudden a "bug" in Outlook stopped the postcards from that company from arriving in peoples emails. Last time I checked bugs don't block emails from a certain email address.
What we need is a company to once and for all stand up and tell MS where to go. Heck, I have plenty of ideas for Software/Hardware products and Anti-MS campaigns. I tell you what, find me some investors and I'll step up to the plate.
Hmmm. I've never once had a problem finding out which file to run. Especially with RPM files as we are talking about. It really isn't that hard. Anything installed in /usr/bin can be executed. The executable for the program is usually the name of the program.