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webslacker writes "Those snoops over at Apple Insider have gotten their hands on some blueprints of the new iMac. Not a drastic change, but it now uses a short-neck CRT and the new trayless DVD drive is very very cool. Check it out."
I don't see any different thinking going on here... Same ole' shee-it. Anyway, my screen is melting..... Too much 'cid..d..d.....d..d........d. . . ... .
Get a clue..how're they going to keep the price down with a flatscreen..and as far as the 'PC hardware' bit..uh..they've been using IDE drives in their cheaper systems for a looooong time now, and now that IDE's gotten a bit faster, we don't have to laugh (as much) at the non-SCSI machines. Nothing wrong with taking advantage of cheap PC hardware to run an OS that's worth a squirt.. I just wish they'd quit the whole white-70's scifi look. Black, I want black cases, Apple.
Yeah..cool colors, DVD, sound, graphics, dices, slices, does your taxes, blahdy-blah.
When is OS/X gonna run on it?
Well, if Apple jumped ship from ATI-crap that the boxes use it would be great. If ever NV10-based GFX-cards becomes avail for the G4 Mac's then I will surtanly get rid of my PC and buy one.
Please stop bashing the iMac.
If it looks silly to you, it probably wasn't meant to be purchased by you. It is a comsumer-oriented machine and therefore is not designed for people who get their jollies staring at the output of ps -a.
Now we know almost for certain that the iMac will continue to be sucessful. I love my powerbook g3, if I had the cash I would buy one of these new iMacs! When I go off to college I plan to buy a high end Mac with the biggest lcd display I can get. Long live Macs, screw Wintel boxes. Wintel boxes are only useful if you can install Linux or BeOS over Windows.
No kidding, it is meant for end users! I use Linux on my wintel box, but I love to play around with my powerbook
Yes, although I have to admit I would love to convert an iMac to a fish tank... :)
a price under $800 and a $200-$400 model if you sign up for 3 years of some crappy Internet service for $20/month. I know the ONLY reason my brother bought the PC he did was because he got a $400 discount + $100 in rebates off the price for signing up for internet service for three years through prodigy. Yes, I know, prodigy sucks and I warned him but he wanted a cheap computer.
I think that Apple will continue to use the ATI video cards for a while to come. However, if you don't like the Rage Pro that comes with the box you can always run out and buy a 3Dfx Voodoo card. 3Dfx currently beta drivers for 3Dfx Voodoo 2 and 3 cards. It's the same exact card as the PC, it just requires a bios update. nVida is working on drivers, although they haven't made them public yet...
Big deal. What does it really offer? Maybe it's just me, but I can't get all excited about the plastic case that goes around a computer. Seems to me that the most they have to brag about is that they removed one of the initial design flaws: the no-tilt monitor.
The low end model is only CD-ROM, not DVD, but if its priced at $999, this will be one *hot* machine. As for the others, I'm guessing $1199 for the "better" model and $1399 for the "best" model. This works out nicely as the next model up is your low end graphite G4 which starts at $1599.
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just wondering.
I think intemMB's will have firewire by next year - you cant ignore it if every iMac and Playstation2, along with a myraid of other consumer electronics have it. Not to mention its supposed inclusion on all digital TV's of the future(mmmmmmm). Imagine hooking up your TV and imac DIRECTLY thru firewire(no d/a conversions) and recording the simpsons and futurama right on to your DVD-ram..... the bliss of nerdvana is before us :)
Wouldn't every post saying things such as this need to be moderated down as well, then? "Who really gives a fudge about these thingies as long as MkLinux/YellowDog isn't an option ??" Wouldn't that be insulting to an iMac user? That's essentially saying that the machines are worthless because they don't run those distributions of Linux (which, in fact, I believe that they actually do). And how can you immediately assume that the original poster's intentions were malicious? Did it occur to you people that maybe he/she was just trying to make a point by contrasting people who, hyperbolically, "enjoy" looking at the output of UNIX utility programs to people who just want a consumer-level computer?
I don't know if the specs are final or not because AppleInsider is a rumor sites. BUT, the kihei is a GREAT consumer computer : DVD, ATI 128, good HD, 64 MB of RAM, cool sound system and FIREWIRE ! I'll buy it as soon as I can. For me it's the perfect computer. The first iMac lacked so much things. But this one is COOL !!! Firewire is great because with this iMac can be a professional computer... I hope they will release a nice tangerine one :))) thanks Steve ! Apple listens to its customers and it's great. Apple forever and BeOS one day for the Mac ?
Someone could set up an industry fanfic site
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Huh?????
Dammit, thats what the imac need most of all.
Is that to be taking as a bad thing, or a good thing? Consider USB: the general feeling is that it was going nowhere until the introduction of the iMac. Now Intel is pushing it as a serious competitor to Firewire.
But is anyone crying over the disappearance of say, AAUI (Apple's proprietary (surprise) AUI interface)? I am certainly not.
Go figure. Sometimes it can be good to breed outside of your immediate company, you know?
Oh well, I still dig Apple.
BeOS's interests were taken care of by Intel. Good riddance
Firewire on the iMac will also be good news for firewire. There will be lots more firewire-devices, just as the iMac made the USB-device market spring to life.
Why is it the PC market can't think for themselves, but need Apple to show them the way? Apple practically invented the personal computer market. They saw the value in graphical user interfaces and were the first to popularize them. All the time with a lot of flak from narrowminded command-line types. They popularized the 3.5" floppy. The mouse. Built in sound. The list goes on and on.
Apple has revolutionized the industry, while the industry has sat on the sideline and ridiculed them, then innovated(tm) them years later.
Hoy! It was just removed! Oh well.
They should forget the CRT and do an iMac with a - flat screen - G4 600Mhz - GeForce video - 5 button mouse - 20Gb hard drive - FireWire - Vertically mounted DVD drive With all the parts embedded in the case of the Flat screen monitor.
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Ooh! Ooh! Even better! Look at this!
30" colour plasma display multicore G5 1GHz 10 Glaze3D chips running in tandem 10 button mouse (you have 10 fingers!) 200GB hard drive (yeah!)
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They offered, Apple declined so no TNT/TNT2 or GeForce port. The Voodoo3 2000 is the only card that will work, and only because its a PCI 2.1 card that Apple mobo's support. Theres still hope with the Guillimot Dual Voodoo2 which will outperform a Voodoo3 3000 AGP.
I'm going to buy one right away. The neXt OS is going to have a BSD shell! MRRROw!
The page now states that the photos were removed at "Apple's legal demand"...but information wants to be free so can anyone provide a link to another page?
Why was this one's parent moderated down? "Overrated", no less! I would have moderated it up as "informative for pointing out the viablility of LinuxPPC on the iMacs. Unfortunately, I'm not a moderator...:(
You might say floppy is obsolete, but hey, what about emergency boot disks? You can't possibly make an EMB without writable, removable storage. Sure, there are USB variants, but those cost over $100, which sucks.
The midrange model is for the mainstream user... it's the same price as the old iMac, but has so much more in it. But i bet 90% of the users will never use the FireWire.
The Best model is for the more serious user will likely want the high-tech Graphite look to match their DV camcorder and their AV gear.
Whats inside counts more than anything, but it is nice to have a choice of what the outside looks like.
G4 has been running into production problems... this is why Motorola recently entered into a deal with AMD to manufacture its chips. Those G4's have to be saved for the ultra powerful new desktops, which are in short enough supply as it is.
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Duh...
Apple is in the process of taking everything that isn't industry-standard and either changing it to match the standard (e.g. SVGA monitor ports going from DB-15 to HD-15) or throwing it out entirely (e.g. 8-pin mini-DIN serial ports). At the same time, they're taking industry standards (USB, IEEE 1394, IEEE 802.11a) and pushing them forward. What incentive would hardware vendors have to create USB peripherals if Apple hadn't sold 800,000 iMacs in three months with no other way to connect to anything?
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I remember hearing a rumor that Apple was talking to nVidia or somebody, but I don't recall the details and don't expect to hear anything definite within the next 6 months.
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However, if you don't like the Rage Pro that comes with the box you can always run out and buy a 3Dfx Voodoo card
Not for an iMac, you can't. So it'll lag well behind the fastest PCs at 3-D graphics, with no possibility of fixing that problem. You'll have to move up to a Blue&White or G4 for Voodoo3 speed.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Hopefully around January, realistically probably a bit later.
The sad thing about OS X is that Apple has finally also got the MacOS to a useable state w/ 8.5/8.6/9.0
Back at 7.5.3 it crashed many, many times a day. Now, it can stay up for days at a time(mine does). OS X is actually less necessary now that Apple finally fixed MacOS.
But I'm still looking forward to it. And there are a lot of people who wouldn't consider getting a Mac until it's out, so Apple should get it out ASAP.
err, disassemble for yourself :)
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The only mac that I've ever had that I haven't disassembles was my original 128k--and if it hadn't gone off to my little brother years ago, I would have upgraded it by hand.
And I lost track of how many times I've replaced fuses in my 180, or resoldered the power receptacle in my backlit portable. Hmm, and how many macs I've owned
But then I found LyX, and traded my macs for linux. I'll certainly take another look at a mac for the kids if and when macos/X client is out--at least if it can run my collection of darkside 3.1 cd's with kid stuff.
>the high-end "best" model described seems to
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>conflict with the low end G4s
Recall the SE/30? It was a IIx in an SE box--which happened to make it the fastest machine apple built at the time, since it didn't pay the overhead for nuBus by the simple expedient ofnot having one
It's a strategy that apple *should* have used several times since: heavy horsepower in a basic box.
Macintouch claims announced on October 5th. I'd think, after the G4 mess, Appls is likely to ship very soon after that.
Yeah, if they're shipping with 64 mb RAM, that means that OS 9 requires 128.
I extrapolated this from the previous formula:
OS 8 required 64 mb, therefore, the iMac shipped with 32.
(I'm being facetious, lack of sufficient RAM was my main grip about iMac too!).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
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I didn't mean to say that the TECHNICAL MINIMUM for OS 8 was 64 megs. I was just saying that the practical minimum is 64 megs. It's slow ass virtual memory drags everything down at less than 64. It was a dig at whatever idiot decided that the iMac would ship with an impractical amount of RAM. (most people I talked to who bought an iMac thought it was too slow - they were non-technical and didn't understand how much speed they'd pick up if they'd just upgrade it to 64 meg).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I have seen almost a dozen comments asking "Why not a flat screen?" or "What about more powerful graphics systems?" or commenting "I would buy one if it had a G4 at 500mHz". That is completely missing the point. The iMac is Apple's cheaper computer. Adding these things would add on to the cost. At prices between $1099 and $1599 (predicted), Apple cannot add these things.
I want these types of things and I know that I will have to buy a G4/Sawtooth to get them.
As for the Apple-bashing/Linux-loving, it is a given that any non-Linux, non-*BSD OS is bound to get bashed by the Slashdot community (except maybe PalmOS). I have commented in the past that Slashdot is "News about Linux, Stuff that is GPLed." The Linux exclusiveness around here bothers me often.
The most ironic part of it all is that you can run Linux on a Mac (I have my LinuxPPC partition, do you?)
In response to keeping the hardware closed, remember which company brought you CD-ROM drives, SCSI, USB and FireWire. While these technologies may have been developed by other companies, it was Apple that made them (semi-) popular by putting them on all of their machines.
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Can someone please grab these images from their cache? It seems that they had to take them down. Which probably means they're not fake.
It's more like:
1.) Apple bad, Linux good (the majority)
2.) Apple good, Linux good (a minority)
3.) Apple good, Linux bad (a small minority)
The types of anti-Apple post I think are the most annoying are the ones that dis the colors and design of a computer and then end it by saying, "well I hate MacOS anyway. That's why I haven't used it since 1990".
I just got a new 400mhz G4 here at work. I had a blue and white G3, so I had the option of using my old ADB keyboard and mouse. I don't have that option with this G4.
The new Apple USB mouse has a little notch on the button so it's easier to find the top. It took a couple of days of getting used to, but the mouse actually isn't that bad.
I still don't like the keyboard though....
Well, maybe they would if such a thing existed :-) Problem is, there isn't any such thing as a TNT3 Ultra. Or any TNT3 for that matter...there are TNT2 Ultras (the best consumer cards out there right now), and the next thing from nVidia is called the GeForce 256 (cards based on it are coming this fall).
He did his research. The fact is that the Rage 128 Pro (that which is in the G3/G4) is a very mediocre video card these days. Nothing near what you'd get with a TNT2 based card, or even a Voodoo3.
You'd think Apple would get a deal going with nVidia or 3dfx to get something better. This is one area where Apple could definitely improve their offerings.
Hmm...an iMac with a built-in urinal. Nifty idea. :-)
my PC has rounded corners :-p
:)
And I really don't much resemblance between the lean looking Enterprise and the squat iMac.
Actually, the non-opened-minded folks here on /. seem to fall into 2 categories:
1.) Apple bad, Linux good (the majority)
2.) Apple good, Linux bad (a minority)
I should also note that the skit wasn't really bashing Apple so much as Steve Jobs (at least, that's how it seemed to me). And Jobs isn't exactly Mr. Innocent, from all accounts he's an ass. Great marketer/"interim" CEO, certainly, but on a personal level he seems to act like a real ass at times. And so there are those who dislike Jobs for that reason (I admit to being among that group). There are also those who feel Apple is extremely misleading in its advertising, and who dislike Apple for that (yep, that's me too). And then there are those who feel that the OS, on a technical level, "sucks" (me again, though that very well may change if/when I get a chance to play with OS X). And then there are those who just like to bash Apple 'cause they think it's the cool thing to do (not me).
My point here is mainly that having a dislike for Apple and/or Mr. Jobs does not make one closed-minded. I personally can see some good things about Apple systems, as well as areas where they could improve. I wouldn't take the Apple jokes too seriously, most companies in the spotlight get them (witness the plethora of M$ jokes, those about Slowlaris, etc)
Just picking a minor nit:
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The Visor has a slot for SpringBoards, so it
does have the tinker factor.
/. peeve #274: The word is neither "walla" nor "whala", it's voila. Phonics is a tool of the devil.
AppleInsider just posted a press shot of the new iMac.
A while ago, apple produced a powerbook with swapable inserts to change the look of the book. It was kinda neat.
--"In dreams begin responsibilities" - Delmore Schwartz
If the rumor stated by Apple Insider is true, then Apple has finally addressed my biggest gripe about the iMac, namely the shortage of RAM and too small a hard drive.
With 64 to 128 MB of RAM and a 10 GB or larger hard drive, not to mention the incorporation of the ATI Rage 128 chipset, this means the new "Kihei" iMac's will finally have the computing power that will satisfy even demanding users. It'll be interesting to see how much Apple will price this machine.
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
trayless DVD = gimmick
2xAGP = this is a feature?! I thought it was standard equipment for some time now?
Airport = neat, albeit gimmicky in a desktop
better monitor = old news (now if they had cinema aspect screens at reasonable prices, that'd be something)
Firewire = dying a slow death. Not to mention it's old hat.
Intel isn't doing it's best to kill Firewire, it chose not to support it. That's not "doing their best to kill it" that's opting for another standard.
So by not having a trayless DVD (I can get all those other options (that didn't come standard on my low-end machine, that is) at a fraction of what Apple will sell them for) and airport (err.. can somebody say wavelan?) I'm being left behind? hmmm. Smoke less pot, dude.
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They make a machine that's gray colored, sort of iron gray
They call that color graphite(tm)
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The reason we bash is because you all react in some very amusing ways. It's ALMOST no fun to bait for flame here, because all you got to do is say "Steve Jobs is abandons his children" and you all rush to his defense like he's Elvis or something.
Mac's are just machines, no better or worse than other computers, but the mac enthusiasts believe that they are really special, and that we all should agree with them, because of the obvious truths which they preach (incessently, I might add)
They're just computers. They crash a lot, about the same as Win98 machines, and you can forget about multi-homing them (my personal beef). The technology isn't spectacular, it's average. And, Steve Jobs will arbitrarily kill off product lines that he didn't creat to satisfy his big, fat, child-abandoning ego. ttthhhhppppt!
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PC_Builder:Well sir, here is your shiny new computer...
Buyer:It's grey.
PC_Builder:Yes it is, but its got...
Buyer:Can I get it in blue? My carpet is blue.
PC_Builder:Umm, no. But it does come with your choice or more ram/less ram, more hard drive/less hard drive and any flavor of Windows you would like.
Buyer: oh, then I guess I'll go to over a hundred other PC manufacturers and get a blue machine from one of them, assuming Apple hasn't sued them for selling blue machines, yet.
I have never run into an independent re-seller that forced anyone to buy an OS with their machine, and I have dealt with dozens. I think your story is more hype than reality. Do you research.
Laptops are a different story though. Buying desktops with no OS are cake. Hell, CompUSA will put one together for you, if you want to pay their prices.
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
So, you haven't ever seen a VAIO box in CompUSA, get out of the cave once in a while, Trog.
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It's fairly obvious the AVERAGE consumer isn't particularly interested in Linux, so you can go to the specialty shops, where you get good deals on quality equipment.
http://www.a-top.com/color/color.html
http://www.colorcase.com/
http://www.techstyle-com.com/
http://www.futurecase.com/
by Mike Buddha -- Someday the mountain might get him, but the law never will.
I tend to exagerate, I admit, with both my descriptions and my jibes. There are two companies that are coming out with Imac form factor PCs. E-machines and a Korean company who's name eludes me. Both are being sued by Apple.
PS Technically, a Troglodyte, by definition, lives in a cave.
PPS The Carrot Top sig is bait... You been fished in!
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The reason your CD gets hot in your car stereo is because they are cramming in a hundred or so watts of power amplification in with the CD mechanism, just to power the speakers. Try it out on a PC with a slot-load CD/DVD drive, it's cool, man.
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Who says the new iMac isn't a major change?
It uses the exact same, vastly improved core chipset (UniNorth, Key Largo, PMU99) that you find in the new Power Macintosh G4 (with AGP) models. This is also the same motherboard chipset found in the iBook. Essentially, the new iMac (and the iBook) is a G4-class machine without the G4 chip and its MaxBus bus technology. This is all a part of Apple's "Unified Motherboard Architecture" strategy.
In my book, that's a significant change. The new iMac (with 2 FireWire ports, 2 seperate USB buses, 2X AGP graphics, and the new chipset) isn't just a dressed up first-gen iMac with a short-neck CRT and slot-loading DVD drive.
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But while an alternative is good, I personally don't like this particular alternative: I don't like the look, I don't like the pointing device or keyboard, and I don't like the software. Imagine Apple would take over the market and all computers would come in semi-transparent rounded lumps with trim in various colors. I'd find it pretty awful.
Oops, I just saw Configutions 2 and 3. Config 2 comes in wrong color, and Config 3 will cost too much. Argh, it's frustrating to see Apple come sooo close and then blow it.
They need to make it cheap as possible (no DVD or firewire, smallest HD they can get, but include networking) and boring-looking yet attractive (i.e. grey), and it'll be ready to attack Wintel in the office. C'mon, Apple, go for it!
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If they would
- Forget about the "5 flavors" and sell 'em in the same smokey grey as the new G4 minitowers
- Lose the DVD and use a cheap CD-ROM instead
Then this would be an excellent office machine and could go head-to-head with Wintel. Why doesn't Apple try to do this?!!? Don't they want the money?OTOH, at least now that they are selling 'em with Rage-128 and DVD, they should be good machines for home use.
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...or does it still look like a waste paper basket?
The new iMacs also come with a slot for an Airport card.
I recall reading somewhere about how all ATI cards having some kind of color-calibration abilities that other cards don't. I suppose you can see that that would be very important to the publishing/multimedia professionals that the Powermacs are aimed towards.
Of course, even though that's the target audience of Powermac users, I'm pretty sure that most Powermac owners haven't used any sort of color calibration at all. If you really need gaming on a Mac, 3Dfx has announced that they've begun work on AGP cards for the G4's.
As some people have noted, Apple Insider now has actual photos of the new graphite iMac.
Also, MacOS Rumors has several pictures of the new iMacs in all their fruity glory.
Has it's bonuses. If everyone is so contrary, then being reasonable gets you some karma points because, well, you're reasonable.
Not to abuse the system, but if the system encourages us to be reasonable, hey, that's good right?
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Well yeah, in that case, the iMac has a USB port.
Not much tinkering, I think, as much as utility.
I concede your point, but just a little. If someone knows how to make and debug USB devices, they'd be able to play with the iMac as well.
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And rumors at that!
Oh well.
I'd imagine, if I were Steve Jobs, which I am not, that the iiMac would include:
Video camera + mic for video conferencing, if we're going to try to push the internet concept.
Airport of course. Imagine video conferencing without the hassle of networking, wires, or setup?
Touch screen, of course! It's as natural as voice recognition, which will come with OS9. Point, tap, speak!
Voice recognition with OS9. Voice passwords and such.
People recognition. Not just powering up when you touch the keyboard or mouse, but when you move or sit down in front of the computer. Like those new men's urinals that require no hands to operate? It'd be nifty.
Anything else? There must be other people here who have ideas!
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Just because you don't like iMacs?
What Apple seems to be doing is offering a *reasonable* configuration in an (my opinion) an attractive case with a useable OS.
The point is not configurability, which is what the B&W G4/G3s offer, but single-minded ease of use. Like a playstation or dreamcast. Unlike a home stereo system made of any number of components, wires, and boxes. Which can also be used to describe the modern PC.
Apple is targeting a market which doesn't value the tinker factor as much as it values the use and 'feel' factor.
Would you complain similarly of the Palm or Visor in how limited they are?
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I extrapolated this from the previous formula: OS 8 required 64 mb, therefore, the iMac shipped with 32.
:)
No, OS 8 does not require 64 megs of memory; I belive the bare minimum is 12. I have an old Quadra running 8.1 with 16 megs. Incidentaly, 8.1 was the last version of the Mac OS to run on 68k machines.
iMacs will run Mac OS X. They'll just run it better if you up it to at least 64 megs of ram, which IMO is the bare bones minumum for a new computer.
That doesn't have anything to do with the loading mechanism, which just gets out of the way when the disk is actually being played.
Car CD players run hotter because they cram a bunch of electronics (and power amplifiers) into a dinky little box which is installed in a big plastic dashboard with poor ventilation. All that excess heat has to go somewhere...
That's most likely Netscape's fault. :P
Communicator 4.61 is the most stable version I've used here on System 8.6, and 4.7 is due soon.
Still not as fast rendering pages as Netscape 3, but there ya go.
PPoe
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Um, do some research before you bitch, please :)
The RAGE 128 is the exact SAME card that's shipping in the G3/G4 series of Macs (less video memory, tho), so this is quite the upgrade for the iMac.
It'll make gaming MUCH more viable than the RAGE Pro line in the old ones.
PPoE
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
Lookin solid. Having the "best" one would be really cool.. 400 g3, 128 ram, dvd, 13 gig hd, and the "graphite" case of the g4's.. Plus it's supposedly lighter and smaller now. I dont know about you folks, but I would love to have one of them :)
Let's just hope they can deliver the things on schedule.. when are they supposed to arrive anyways?
Joseph?
As the first comment sort of pointed out, yes, Yellow Dog Linux should run on these. It runs on current iMacs just fine. I don't know why one would believe it wouldn't... after all, USB keyboard and mouse support has been working for quite some time now. So, you're question is null, Yellow Dog Linux is an option.
Nonsense. Interface transfer speed is the least important specification on a drive. You STILL can't get 10,000 RPM IDE drives, which is what you need for real performance.
I'm writing a database and a functional language, and I just bought a Powerbook G3. So there. I'd never owned (or even used extensively) a Mac before, but I'm pleasantly surprised how far they've come on recently.
It's a pretty damn good machine at a reasonable price. It's now got an X server and GNU Emacs, so I'm happy. Once OS X comes out, we'll see a few more non-Mac users moving over.
Why would Apple not want the pictures on the site? (In case you haven't checked, all the pictures on AppleInsider have been replaced by gifs which read "This image has been removed at Apple Legal's Demand". :P) Seems silly to me---I mean, it's good publicity, no?
``This, too, shall pass.'' ---Eastern proverb
Changing the looks cuts it for them people who like it if somebody comes into their apartment and say: "Cute, an iMac", or "Cool, a [blue/grey] G3/G4". Nobody says "cool" or "cute" about a beige miditower with TNT3 Ultra, Dual Pentium III 600, 512MB ram, SCSI-3 and whatever inside. The only way for those would be an 18'' TFT. Or a Sun Ultra 10, they look good too.
Now iMacs are even more attractive to newbies: they won't make the embarrassing mistake of confusing the CD-ROM tray with a cupholder.
Tech-support professionals, rejoice!
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
Look's like I got here too late! All the pix have been clobbered at Apple's request. Rob, update your headline!
Changes aren't permanent, but change is.
First of all, why is five flavours (am I the only one that thinks of ice cream?) when it comes to the Better configuration, and only one for the others? I mean, you'd think the Best configuration would sport the most colours and such (is there actually any real difference in shape, etc. to make it so the Good and Best ones can't just use the other colours? I mean, a switch between DVD to CD or more RAM and what not isn't gonna change the chassis...)
Which brings me to another point, why for Good change the DVD to CD? I dunno about the States, but here in Canada (as a retailer) a good 6x/40x DVD is only $100 and a 48x CD is $80... What's 20 bucks when it comes to showcasing a great (?) computer? I mean, having a DVD and video-mirroring, albeit both not very useful at this moment for most normal folks, will more then luckily catch people... Ah well, maybe that's just me...
Being Canadian, I'm proud that ATI is the video card company for Apple (although I don't use any Apple computers), but the thing is, yes, ATI is a good company, but ATI Rage 128 is, I'm sorry to say, pretty behind the times now... Looking at the Mac Products on ATI's website, are we talking about the Nexus, Rage Orion or XCLAIM VR? I just hope its similar to ATI's Rage 128 Pro for the PC... *shrug*
Ah well, as it were, my opinion is that although they are cute, the iMacs and G*'s just don't seem like great computers (although they are, I know, but the looks make them seem otherwise)... And although they are great computers, I can still buy a comparable IBM PC and still get to use Photoshop and games for Windows and load up Linux whenever I feel like it... Until Apple comes out with something different (like they did oh so many years ago), changing the looks just doesn't cut it for me... FireWire, yes, was good.. but its obvious (good or bad) that USB is here to stay.. Anything else?
IIRC, the reason the lens is in the tray is because the CDROM drive itself (along with the SODIMM RAM form factor, and much of the motherboard) in the original and current iMacs is basically the same as that of the PowerBook G3 series as a cost-saving measure. Of course, that still doesn't make an exposed-lens CDROM a good idea...
I wouldn't count on the AppleInsider specs as being the final word, or even expect the new iMac to come multiple variations. Steve Jobs has a deep burning hatred for the rumors sites and has been known to spread disinformation to them from time to time. the high-end "best" model described seems to conflict with the low end G4s at this point so I'm wary about that prediction actually coming to fuition.
Have they corrected the problem of cds heating up in the trayless systems ? I know when ever I take a cd out of my car stereo its pretty hot.
Hey. I'm a research molecular biologist. can't get much more nerdy than that. And i just *love* that apple stuff. Crazy company, crazy guys. Ain't that right gang? Now if only they'd hurry up and deliver my damn iBook. The swine!
Hey that new iMac looks great imho.. but mind youu these are still rumors! They do mean good news, but stop for a second. This is AppleInsider. If they are legit, Apple is not going to be happy about this one...
DVD... cool. They trayless bit makes me feel better, because its no longer a bunch of g3 laptop parts puut together... at least one original part! Now they should put that feature in the g4 laptops too... And I think even newbies have seen a car stero and can understand that floppies don't fit there. Maybe musci CD'swill more often be seen playing on newbie iMacs?
128MB ram in the high end version? I doubt it but would be very nice. Same deal with the rage 128, which I also doubt... but again would be nice. I wish apple would ditch the rage altogether and go for some other card... a voodoo4 maybe which sounds nice... (read about that t-buffer at 3dfx.com!)
13GB hard drive is the big one I'm doubting. That's gonna cost apple a little more than the 6GB one. Just a tad.
Oh and graphite doesn't smell. Sniff your pencil whoever said that. Maybbe its a subliminal message that says this thing can be used for work, or word processing, like a pencil. Whatever.
I'm still kinda pissed it doesn't have a 17" screen, being a graphic designer. Aww heck, I shouldn't even consider the gumdrop, gotta get me a g4 laptop...
Um.... thats about it. =)
-Curt
But then, he's 8 yo. So, it's not such a silly idea.
Luckily I saw him do that and "cured" him of that habit.
Will in Seattle
Well - looks like the imac pictures are removed.
any chance someone can mirror them? i'm dying to see the pics
Borg cubes are squares with sharp corners. Like PC cases... ;)
The iMac is lake the starship Enterprise, and the new G4 is like a Klingon bird of prey.
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Don't lead me into temptation... I can find it myself.
Well, Apple has recently switched from SCSI to IDE on most of their models, as IDE has gotten faster. Macs also have pci slots, as some High-end hardware is compatable with both systems.
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Didn't the previous I-Mac have the lens in the tray, similar to many laptop cd drives? If so, a trayless drive would be great improvement. I'm sure there is nothing worse than scratching the hell out of the lens on your shiny new computer's dvd drive.
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-HumanSmoke
Officially, these things do not exist. So, naturally, there are no official plans to release them.
If Apple really can't get enough G4 CPUs, I guess they have more capacity to build iMacs, so it may go fast.
We have these gateway machines here at work. They are TFT display PC's basicly. Floppy drive, CDROM, AMD K6, speakers etc. all built into the flatscreen monitor. Kinda cool, just not very fast (at least ours are not). It's called the Gateway Profile PC. Right now they are only in our training rooms. Good space saver, but that's about it IMHO :)
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
what u need my friend is an ibook
You are the only one that looks like a waste paper basket.
;)
Killing spammers is too good for them.
The Scene... A long line of Mac users in front of Steve Jobs' desk, who is personally handing out all of the new iMacs.
Jobs: "Here is your pre-configured box. We've decided everything that you might possibly need. You may change the configuration at your mortal peril. Give me $1500, and leave."
Buyer: "Why, thank you sir! I have been blessed. All praise the intellectual force that is Herr Jobs! I will worship this sickly colored box forever! I will praise its merits to the ends of the Earth!"
Jobs: "Next!"
Buyer#2: Smiling ear-to-ear "It's an honor to meet you, Mr. Jobs. I have a ques..ques...question." Loses his smile "Could I get my iMac in bl...bl...black?"
Jobs stares coldly at the young man, their icy gaze grabbing the buyer about the throat. Then, Jobs laughes loud and hard. The young man seems to relax, smiling again, looking sure of himself in the praise of his idol. With a flick of his wrist, Jobs releases the trapdoor under the poor fool's feet, his screams as he falls silenced only by the dull thud of the trapdoor locking shut.
Jobs: "Next!"
I see, trayless DVD, 2x AGP, Airport, better monitor, Firewire, all this reduced to the addition of a new color.
Since Intel is doing its best to kill Firewire, it will indeed be years before the drones in the clone world get the guts to buck Andy Grove and make Firewire standard on the motherboard.
How does it feel to be left behind (once again) at the multimedia revolution.
TML
After being beaten about for years, Apple transitions much of its hardware over to PC specs in order to be more compatible and drive down user costs. Now the complaints come that Apple is doing what users have demanded of them. Frankly, I'm glad that Apple was sensible enough to adopt decent technical standards that don't compromise the user experience that Apple promises (think ISA and MFM that Apple stayed away from). If only Intel would show the same sense and adopt Firewire support on their motherboards. After all, they are in the patent pool but noooo! Intel is pushing USB 2.0 which might, after several years, achieve the throughput that Firewire has today. TML
You can also run Darwin on the little beasties. http://www.apple.com/darwin
Yup, open source mac software, who woulda thunk it.
TML
Macs have had PCI since the introduction of the Power Macintosh back in the early-mid 90's. IDE was introced in low-end power macs, and developments in IDE technology made it fast enough to be the main drive on G3 systems. Current ATA/66 drives can put a whoopin' on most SCSI drives; only ultra-wide drives can beat its transfer rates.
See title. Seems apple's legal dept didnt like them for some reason. Anyone have an alternate URL? Or is it not even worth looking at? =)
Well, imagine the belly laugh I got watching a local newscast one day: The police dept. of a town was giving away free copies of content filtering software for concerned parents (I don't remember if it was NetNanny, CyberSitter, whatever.)
After giving the obligatory "Protecting the Children" spiel, the not-so-tech-savvy officer proceeded to insert the CD-ROM into the 5" *floppy* slot on the ancient IBM clone in their office. He starts to flip the lever to lock down the "disk", but the scene cut just as you could see the first signs of resistance.
Made my whole day. Just wish I could see the out takes, though...
I'd rather have one of the new flatpanel tiny PCs coming from NEC and the likes.
Is it just me or is apple using PC hardware now?
AppleInsider is running a photo of what appears to be the graphite "Best" model.
http://www.appleinsider .com/articles/9909/kihei-photo.shtml
"As rumored in previous reports, the entire custom system software pack is indeed code-named "Borg." "
Do I really have to explain why I think this is funny..?
To take on a more "conventional" definition.. I always thought those pesky iMacs looked like they were built by space aliens..
~ Kish
Graphite...hmm...I never knew the name for that color until now.
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I find it amusing that the only color with the odor problem is the only color not named after fruit...I guess they didn't want any "Rotting Apple" nicknames...
I suppose it's okay for minerals to stink, but if that is how grey Graphite smells, I'm gonna run like hell if I ever see a bright-yellow iMac sitting on someone's desk...=\
My $1.00 - $0.98, not necessarily yours.
- JoeShmoe
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-- I wonder which will go down in history as the bigger failure: the War on Drugs or the War on Filesharing
Um, if you think user's confusing CD-ROM trays for cupholders is a bad...wait until you start getting calls from people who think Apple is finally putting floppy drives in iMacs.
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I work in an all-Compaq shop and a couple years ago, Compaq used tray-less CD-ROMs in all their Deskpro 2000 models. I loved them because finally I could orient my computer in any position and not have to fiddle with tabs or grooves.
But then I started getting calls from users who would stick pretty much any removable media made after 1982 into the blank, label-less slot and the cost to continually swap out damaged drives just wasn't worth it.
I mean, trays are annoying to some, but to the target audience of the iMac, only a CD/DVD will fit in the 5" depression on a CD/DVD-ROM tray so you only have to worry about it being right side up and the user education is over.
Again, my $1.00 - $0.98 and not necessarily yours...
- JoeShmoe
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>I've never walked into a store and saw a blue computer that wasn't an Apple. Sucks to be you. >I've never walked into a store and been presented with anything except Windows Sucks to be you. >Apple only has one OS as well, but they do have more colors. They win. Combine all the colors from all the PC computer companies all over the world. I'm sure it's more than 5 colors. Apple loses. >Deal with it. Ditto.
It shouldn't cost Compaq or Apple anything to swap out the drive in such a scenario, as inflicting damage on the unit should void the warranty. Unless, of course, the Compaq warranty allows for Acts of Clod...
They should forget the CRT and do an iMac with a
- flat screen
- G4 600Mhz
- GeForce video
- 5 button mouse
- 20Gb hard drive
- FireWire
- Vertically mounted DVD drive
With all the parts embedded in the case of the Flat screen monitor.
Buyer:It's grey.
PC_Builder:Yes it is, but its got...
Buyer:Can I get it in blue? My carpet is blue.
PC_Builder:Umm, no. But it does come with your choice or more ram/less ram, more hard drive/less hard drive and any flavor of Windows you would like.
Buyer:But I want Linux.
PC_Builder:Sorry can't have it
Buyer:BeOS?
PC_Builder:Nope
Buyer:FreeBSD!?
PC_Builder:How 'bout a big 'ole can of.. NOPE
Buyer:Why not? PC_Builder:You'll have to talk to Adolf Gates, the choice nazi, about that one, we are under contract, if we sell you a computer without windows we will be thrown in the concentration camps.
Later, at MS Headquarters
Buyer:Mr. Gates could you please possibly make an exeption and allow [insert major computer manufacturer here] to sell me a computer without Windows. I think the consumer deserves to make the choice.
Bill:NO CHOICE FOR YOU!!
Buyer:But Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS are all better than Win...
Bill:GAURDS!! Have this man executed!
Hmm, although the typical Linux user knows of places that sell Linux Boxes. The average consumer doesn't, and us Linux users still can't go to the store and get one. And to me whether or not you can "customize" your hardware is irrelevant if the company offers different packages. I mean are you really going to get a 15gb hard drive and 32megs of ram? No you are going to get big hard drive/big ram or small hard drive/small ram. That's what Apple provides. Apple however offers thier computers in some different colors which does offer more choice than in the PC industry. Apples computer aren't plug ugly like this compaq I have setting here and I think like me most PC users are a little jealous, but for some reason we attack things when we are jealous of them.
No I do not own a Mac. I never have owned a Mac. I have never used a Mac. But Macintosh is a good computer. I have heard far more complaints from Windows users than Mac users. I have heard far worse things about the reliability of Packard Bell and others, my Compaq doesn't even work with Voodoo3's I had to get a Voodoo2 because Compaq screwed up when they made the BIOS. Regardless of which computer manufacturer you prefer, none of them are all filled with rose petals like so many PC users seem to think.
So please just tell me what commonly shopped store I can walk into and getting a bright F***ing red Linux box? huh? where?
Who really gives a fudge about these thingies as long as MkLinux/YellowDog isn't an option ??
.sig ? what freakin
Yeah, yeah, but I kinda meant an option when you actually ORDER the thingies.... THEN, I'd think even more highly of them Macintoshes
.sig ? what freakin
1)most iMac buyers don't want Linux
2)those that do can use LinuxPPC
Just my $0.02