I don't understand why they were allowed to use a calculator AT ALL on standardized tests. Anyway, if they take you down to a bask 4-6 banger(Division, Addition, Multiplication, Subtraction, Square Roots), here's a MASSIVE hint on how to convert fractions to decimal... just divide the fractions and do all the work in decimal, if the answer is in a fraction, divide the fraction in the mutiple choice and find YOUR answer. I hate fractions.....it's the old way of writing things down and I never use them any more. Expecially since the stock indexes are all in decimal now. No needs to figure out that when something is down an eighth it's down 0.13 cents.
You know what....this is a REALLY good idea. You can regenerate the card every once in a while and you have secure password with out having to write them down. Pretty cool if you ask me.
PPC IS superior to the x86 but Apple just forgot about that. No, Apple just got suckered into the GHz race again and since IBM did not pony up the 3 GHz G5, they went to Intel. Never mind that IBM sells a ton of Power 5 based servers....I bet you with in a month, IBM wil have a Power 5 based desktop chip to show to Apple....and then we'll all hear the Intel switch is going to be put on the backburner again. I bet IBM is a little worried....they just got rid of Lenovo and now their biggest buyer of chips has announced they are going Intel.
I think that all of this rampant talk of Apple and Intel is about Apple adapting the XScale chips for one of the following: Airport, iPod or a possible new Newton. What is wrong with the G5 beside it nto getting to 3 GHz? Have we not all learned by now that you don't need a 3 GHz processor....even for doing heavy video? Isn't the Virginia Tech supercomputer, the fact that they are using Xserve for render farms and the bioinformatic server clustes they are selling now evidence enough that the G5 is plenty fast? The ONLY Apple/Mac thing I MIGHT accept is Intel has figured out how to make a mobile G5, with IBM's blessing. Other then that, I am ALL for bringing back the Newton in a combo PDA cell phone deal. With all the fallout of the carriers wanting thier piece of the pie of iTunes if they sell music on it it would not surprise me in the least to see a combo device with a iTunes component as well as making it so carriers can sell music/ringtones.
And this hits the nail on the head from my point. I personally do not care if you offer a frequent shopper a lower price then new ones or if you have a educational discount for college and primary school students, but BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT! TELL me that if I sign up for your goofy discount card I can get lower prices or TELL ME that once I buy x amount of stuff I get a discount. The Dell practice, to me, seems to be very shady and should be illegal.
Just wondering....what about the people in front of you? Did they have a kid? Sometimes the cashier will only get those for you if you remind them, or if they get in the way(Lowpaid Cashier: I forgot the last 5 people now I will give all of them to the next guy....).
This is the case. My example would be memory upgrades for the eMate 300 I just bought as well as the serial cable. I have seen prices on the cable as low as 8 bucks and as high as 15. The memory upgrade is priced around 100. We are talking about a 4 MB chip. I would pay around 80-100.
Yes but he's ordering 1 flat panel monitor. Many companies order 1 of a item and get a discount because they are a company and the thing is that there should only BE one site. 1 for EVERYONE. This B2B and B2C crap is, well, crap. Almost every item a business could need could be needed by a single person. I can see it if it was liquor and the state law said you had to have a liquor license or something to buy it...I can see if you were trying to buy chemicals or refrigerant, but not for a flat panel monitor. Individuals buying a single item should get the same price as companie sbuying a individual item. I can understand discounting bulk purchases but that can be done for single consumers too(what if I hit the lotto and wanted to buy my church 100 pc's?). All I am asking for is a fair price. I should no thave to jump through hoops to get it. Like them damn grocery cards.....
Yes and no. The humdrum products like true accounting packages and the humdrum and boring things like schedulers and production control software are not being written in the F/OSS community. If it satisfies some geeks whim does not a production tool make. Linux may be OK for a file share/printer server and a web server and a development platform for writing your own stuff on, but sometimes you ain't go tthe time to write your own and if there's no open source software availaable, then you have no choice but to purchase software. People who get paid are willing to work on anything you throw their way but open source programmers will not always write specifically what you want. That is not to say some who write open source don't get paid. IBM, Red Hat and others do pay them, but they ar eworking on what will make Red Hat, IBM and Novell money. Last I checked, none of these companies are working on accounting software or production control. Until the big things that RUN the business (not talking about Operating Systems or Databases.....plenty of those are open source) get ported, many businesses who cannot afford a programming staff will have to buy software and deal with it's limitiations...or pay for modifications.
Yeah....we'll see that crowd....but what they DON'T know is using X windows is a pain. With Aqua, the interface is EASY. Sure, it's different then Windows, slightly, but the Aqua interface is superior to most Window Managers for ease of use.
That DO not satisfy what am looking for. Most of the things that Freshmeat kicked back were also quite OLD...as in not worked on in 5 years old.
Let's see the top ten(Search String: Scheduler):
1. jCarnegie class scheduler
A Java class timetable scheduler.
Last updated: 2001
2. Saturn network job scheduler
Status: Saturn first pre-release. Although not ready for production (not something I can reccomend then)
Last updated: Last Month
3. PULSAR J2EE Scheduler
A task scheduler for J2EE applications.
Last updated: 2003
4. Entitlement Based Scheduler
A modification of Linux's O(1) CPU scheduler for entitlement based scheduling.
Last update: 2004
5. Maui Scheduler
A job scheduler for clusters and supercomputers.
Last update: 2004
6. Ruby Agenda
An Agenda/Scheduler aimed at PDAs.
Last Update: 2001
7. Moab Workload Manager
A cluster scheduler with event, resource, and grid support.
Last Update: 2004
8. fairsched
A fair CPU scheduler for Linux.
Last Update: 2001
9. Quartz Enterprise Job Scheduler
An enterprise-class job scheduler for integration with J2SE and J2EE apps.
Last Update: 2005
10. job-scheduler
A program that schedules programs to be run at specified times.
Last Update: 2004
Of the 10, two are Linux kernel scheduler replacements, one PDA type app, there's alot of J2EE schedulers, cluster/supercomputer schedulers(which it might be possible to make work) and one or two that might work, but are really no better than cron.
That's just ONE search that was done. There are others, but I am not going to waste any more time.
I have spent a good week looking for FOSS alternatives and found none that are close and a couple that COULD work with some time.
I don't mind doing some work to get things automated, but scripting 400-500 or more jobs is something I ain't got the time for and neither does anyone who does real work on a production system which is why such schedulers exist. I supposed we will end up buying XiBatch, Autosys or some other scheduler at some point, but I got to do some automation now. Currently, cron has been enough, but I can see the writing on the walls: eventually, cron is not going to be enough. It's kind of like why some people have to use crazy ACL's instead of user groups.....when I have a user says I need this to run on the third sunday of the forth month in the second quarter at 17:00 and run it later when Y program is in the schedule....you see?? How can you script something like this? You can't. Autosys and other schedulers CAN do this for you....which is why I asked the question.
Hey at least this question is better then 90 percent of the ask slashdots where even a Windows user can find the answer with Google.
Why was this bill even necessary? It will only stop those who are trying to use spyware as a supposed business model(HEllloooo Claria...). Did this really need another law? This is yet another case of our representatives not understanding technology and not understanding that with a world wide system, it's impossible to enforce.
This sounds a little more promising. Maybe I dismissed quartz too soon. I;ll look at these sometime today and see what it looks like. I have heard of torque and I thought it MIGHT be open source and work. This is the kind of answer I was hoping for. It may not work out, but at least it's enough to get me thinking. It's a better response then the slashdotter just use cron in this way answer.
Is it my fault you don't know what a scheduler is? No. You call my responses childish? The answers saying use cron in this way are equallly childish as well. If youare actualy a developer who's capable of writing something like a scheduler, then take this down.....I don't care what the hell you think...I have every right to say what I think and ask you what I want. Commercial programmers have to respond to their customers and if open source ever wants to be more successful, it will have to respond to what customers want as well. For as long as thier has been open source, I have a hard time believing that there's someone out ther in open source land that does not think there's a better way to do it then just plain cron.
I thought my answer was clear, but you guys proceeded to tell me oh just use make and blah blah blah.....well, if you had read my post, you would understand that what I was asking for coudl not be done easily with a script.
I call shenigans on you! This isn't what I am looking for. I like cron and UNDERSTAND it....do you hear me?? Now follow me....I want soemthing that is human readable, something that recoginises some things don't need run next monday because we're closed and something where I can enmass put the schedule on hold. I also would like it to just log the successful jobs and alerting people on the failures. No amount of playing with cron can get me this without rewriting it into something much more robust.
Hate to answer you again, but yes, your correct. Autosys is something we looked at as well. There's nothing I have found thus far that even comes CLOSE to autosys and is open source. Never heard of Control-m. Will have to check it out.
No it's not. How do you get cron to NOT schedule jobs on a holiday? How do you get cron to move the jobs that would have run on the holiday to another day? How do you change your schedule on a dime (emergency closing) to not run your schedule?? Cron can't do any of this easily. I need this to be understandable by more then just myself. Writing scripts and make files to do crap like this is NOT acceptable. I need more power than all of the individual tools combined can give me. I need INTEGRATION. This is NOT simply some systems bullshit that has to run every day....this is business required stuff that if the make/bash/perl whatever fails, we loose money. This is running something pretty damn complex in the middle of the night so users don't have to. If I had a YEAR to dedicate to just do job scheduling, I would not be looking fo ra scheduler now would I?
There's nothing open source that comes close to this. A scheduler like this is very common in Mainframe environments. I very rarely see anything like our mainframe one on UNIX. This one comes close. Production control cnan happen, but I want something to help set this up. I ain't got the time to setup all these little perl, bash , Python and etc crap to help me do the job schedule.
No, it does not. Launchd does NOT allow me to setup a chain of events that if one in the chain fails, stops and alerts an operator or sysadmin. Launchd is simplye a replacement for cron, init.d and watchdog. Also, launchd JUST came out and unelss I am using a Mac, and I ain't, I would not even attempt to use it on my production server.
The key here is better and less work. I have this ONE thing I would like to do out of 40 million other things I have to do everyday. If I could get something that does this better than cron, it would save me so much time it ain't funny. I don't have the time to write the shit otherwise I would. This is one case where clsoed source has open source beat. With sufficient fundage which I don't have now, I can go out and pop a scheduler in, pop the jobs I want in it and have exactly what I had asked for. There are NO open source projects that compete with this. Make for dependencies? What am I doing? Compiling?? Care to point to examples? Cron doe3s no logging beyond e-mailing the user and this is not enough to pass muster. I don't want ot have to go dig through mail spool or mbox to find out if jobs had finished correctly. Even writing a shitpile of scripts isn't going to do this properly....essentially, your asking me to do what I may end up having to do and that's writing my own scheduler. Even with the scripts and using make like you descirbe here, it's STILL not enough and STILL sucks.
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Open sourcce needs to grow out of the it's good enough for me it's good enough to run a multi million dollar company/college/whatever stage. Let's face it, cron sucks. Because writing schedulers are not sexy, it's gets put way down on the list if it's even on it. If you want me to use your crap, then you better give me the crap I NEED! I need something better then cron. If I write it, I will make sure to keep the source to myself and my company since cron seems good enough for you guys.
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I don't understand why they were allowed to use a calculator AT ALL on standardized tests. Anyway, if they take you down to a bask 4-6 banger(Division, Addition, Multiplication, Subtraction, Square Roots), here's a MASSIVE hint on how to convert fractions to decimal... just divide the fractions and do all the work in decimal, if the answer is in a fraction, divide the fraction in the mutiple choice and find YOUR answer. I hate fractions.....it's the old way of writing things down and I never use them any more. Expecially since the stock indexes are all in decimal now. No needs to figure out that when something is down an eighth it's down 0.13 cents.
You know what....this is a REALLY good idea. You can regenerate the card every once in a while and you have secure password with out having to write them down. Pretty cool if you ask me.
PPC IS superior to the x86 but Apple just forgot about that. No, Apple just got suckered into the GHz race again and since IBM did not pony up the 3 GHz G5, they went to Intel. Never mind that IBM sells a ton of Power 5 based servers....I bet you with in a month, IBM wil have a Power 5 based desktop chip to show to Apple....and then we'll all hear the Intel switch is going to be put on the backburner again. I bet IBM is a little worried....they just got rid of Lenovo and now their biggest buyer of chips has announced they are going Intel.
I think that all of this rampant talk of Apple and Intel is about Apple adapting the XScale chips for one of the following: Airport, iPod or a possible new Newton. What is wrong with the G5 beside it nto getting to 3 GHz? Have we not all learned by now that you don't need a 3 GHz processor....even for doing heavy video? Isn't the Virginia Tech supercomputer, the fact that they are using Xserve for render farms and the bioinformatic server clustes they are selling now evidence enough that the G5 is plenty fast? The ONLY Apple/Mac thing I MIGHT accept is Intel has figured out how to make a mobile G5, with IBM's blessing. Other then that, I am ALL for bringing back the Newton in a combo PDA cell phone deal. With all the fallout of the carriers wanting thier piece of the pie of iTunes if they sell music on it it would not surprise me in the least to see a combo device with a iTunes component as well as making it so carriers can sell music/ringtones.
And this hits the nail on the head from my point. I personally do not care if you offer a frequent shopper a lower price then new ones or if you have a educational discount for college and primary school students, but BE UP FRONT ABOUT IT! TELL me that if I sign up for your goofy discount card I can get lower prices or TELL ME that once I buy x amount of stuff I get a discount. The Dell practice, to me, seems to be very shady and should be illegal.
Just wondering....what about the people in front of you? Did they have a kid? Sometimes the cashier will only get those for you if you remind them, or if they get in the way(Lowpaid Cashier: I forgot the last 5 people now I will give all of them to the next guy....).
This is the case. My example would be memory upgrades for the eMate 300 I just bought as well as the serial cable. I have seen prices on the cable as low as 8 bucks and as high as 15. The memory upgrade is priced around 100. We are talking about a 4 MB chip. I would pay around 80-100.
Yes but he's ordering 1 flat panel monitor. Many companies order 1 of a item and get a discount because they are a company and the thing is that there should only BE one site. 1 for EVERYONE. This B2B and B2C crap is, well, crap. Almost every item a business could need could be needed by a single person. I can see it if it was liquor and the state law said you had to have a liquor license or something to buy it...I can see if you were trying to buy chemicals or refrigerant, but not for a flat panel monitor. Individuals buying a single item should get the same price as companie sbuying a individual item. I can understand discounting bulk purchases but that can be done for single consumers too(what if I hit the lotto and wanted to buy my church 100 pc's?). All I am asking for is a fair price. I should no thave to jump through hoops to get it. Like them damn grocery cards.....
You do if someone's not willing to pay for it.
Yes and no. The humdrum products like true accounting packages and the humdrum and boring things like schedulers and production control software are not being written in the F/OSS community. If it satisfies some geeks whim does not a production tool make. Linux may be OK for a file share/printer server and a web server and a development platform for writing your own stuff on, but sometimes you ain't go tthe time to write your own and if there's no open source software availaable, then you have no choice but to purchase software. People who get paid are willing to work on anything you throw their way but open source programmers will not always write specifically what you want. That is not to say some who write open source don't get paid. IBM, Red Hat and others do pay them, but they ar eworking on what will make Red Hat, IBM and Novell money. Last I checked, none of these companies are working on accounting software or production control. Until the big things that RUN the business (not talking about Operating Systems or Databases.....plenty of those are open source) get ported, many businesses who cannot afford a programming staff will have to buy software and deal with it's limitiations...or pay for modifications.
Yeah....we'll see that crowd....but what they DON'T know is using X windows is a pain. With Aqua, the interface is EASY. Sure, it's different then Windows, slightly, but the Aqua interface is superior to most Window Managers for ease of use.
Me too. My GOD man have you no compassion?? I mean I know it happened what...4 years ago, but man....
That DO not satisfy what am looking for. Most of the things that Freshmeat kicked back were also quite OLD...as in not worked on in 5 years old.
Let's see the top ten(Search String: Scheduler):
1. jCarnegie class scheduler
A Java class timetable scheduler.
Last updated: 2001
2. Saturn network job scheduler
Status: Saturn first pre-release. Although not ready for production (not something I can reccomend then)
Last updated: Last Month
3. PULSAR J2EE Scheduler
A task scheduler for J2EE applications.
Last updated: 2003
4. Entitlement Based Scheduler
A modification of Linux's O(1) CPU scheduler for entitlement based scheduling.
Last update: 2004
5. Maui Scheduler
A job scheduler for clusters and supercomputers.
Last update: 2004
6. Ruby Agenda
An Agenda/Scheduler aimed at PDAs.
Last Update: 2001
7. Moab Workload Manager
A cluster scheduler with event, resource, and grid support.
Last Update: 2004
8. fairsched
A fair CPU scheduler for Linux.
Last Update: 2001
9. Quartz Enterprise Job Scheduler
An enterprise-class job scheduler for integration with J2SE and J2EE apps.
Last Update: 2005
10. job-scheduler
A program that schedules programs to be run at specified times.
Last Update: 2004
Of the 10, two are Linux kernel scheduler replacements, one PDA type app, there's alot of J2EE schedulers, cluster/supercomputer schedulers(which it might be possible to make work) and one or two that might work, but are really no better than cron.
That's just ONE search that was done. There are others, but I am not going to waste any more time.
I have spent a good week looking for FOSS alternatives and found none that are close and a couple that COULD work with some time.
I don't mind doing some work to get things automated, but scripting 400-500 or more jobs is something I ain't got the time for and neither does anyone who does real work on a production system which is why such schedulers exist. I supposed we will end up buying XiBatch, Autosys or some other scheduler at some point, but I got to do some automation now. Currently, cron has been enough, but I can see the writing on the walls: eventually, cron is not going to be enough. It's kind of like why some people have to use crazy ACL's instead of user groups.....when I have a user says I need this to run on the third sunday of the forth month in the second quarter at 17:00 and run it later when Y program is in the schedule....you see?? How can you script something like this? You can't. Autosys and other schedulers CAN do this for you....which is why I asked the question.
Hey at least this question is better then 90 percent of the ask slashdots where even a Windows user can find the answer with Google.
Why was this bill even necessary? It will only stop those who are trying to use spyware as a supposed business model(HEllloooo Claria...). Did this really need another law? This is yet another case of our representatives not understanding technology and not understanding that with a world wide system, it's impossible to enforce.
This sounds a little more promising. Maybe I dismissed quartz too soon. I;ll look at these sometime today and see what it looks like. I have heard of torque and I thought it MIGHT be open source and work. This is the kind of answer I was hoping for. It may not work out, but at least it's enough to get me thinking. It's a better response then the slashdotter just use cron in this way answer.
Is it my fault you don't know what a scheduler is? No. You call my responses childish? The answers saying use cron in this way are equallly childish as well. If youare actualy a developer who's capable of writing something like a scheduler, then take this down.....I don't care what the hell you think...I have every right to say what I think and ask you what I want. Commercial programmers have to respond to their customers and if open source ever wants to be more successful, it will have to respond to what customers want as well. For as long as thier has been open source, I have a hard time believing that there's someone out ther in open source land that does not think there's a better way to do it then just plain cron.
I thought my answer was clear, but you guys proceeded to tell me oh just use make and blah blah blah.....well, if you had read my post, you would understand that what I was asking for coudl not be done easily with a script.
I call shenigans on you! This isn't what I am looking for. I like cron and UNDERSTAND it ....do you hear me?? Now follow me....I want soemthing that is human readable, something that recoginises some things don't need run next monday because we're closed and something where I can enmass put the schedule on hold. I also would like it to just log the successful jobs and alerting people on the failures. No amount of playing with cron can get me this without rewriting it into something much more robust.
The ignorant newbie has found something better, but still not exactly what I am looking for.
Hate to answer you again, but yes, your correct. Autosys is something we looked at as well. There's nothing I have found thus far that even comes CLOSE to autosys and is open source. Never heard of Control-m. Will have to check it out.
No it's not. How do you get cron to NOT schedule jobs on a holiday? How do you get cron to move the jobs that would have run on the holiday to another day? How do you change your schedule on a dime (emergency closing) to not run your schedule?? Cron can't do any of this easily. I need this to be understandable by more then just myself. Writing scripts and make files to do crap like this is NOT acceptable. I need more power than all of the individual tools combined can give me. I need INTEGRATION. This is NOT simply some systems bullshit that has to run every day....this is business required stuff that if the make/bash/perl whatever fails, we loose money. This is running something pretty damn complex in the middle of the night so users don't have to. If I had a YEAR to dedicate to just do job scheduling, I would not be looking fo ra scheduler now would I?
Possibly. Here's one of the closed source ones we looked at:
http://www.taricon.com/batchfaq.html (XiBatch)
There's nothing open source that comes close to this. A scheduler like this is very common in Mainframe environments. I very rarely see anything like our mainframe one on UNIX. This one comes close. Production control cnan happen, but I want something to help set this up. I ain't got the time to setup all these little perl, bash , Python and etc crap to help me do the job schedule.
No, it does not. Launchd does NOT allow me to setup a chain of events that if one in the chain fails, stops and alerts an operator or sysadmin. Launchd is simplye a replacement for cron, init.d and watchdog. Also, launchd JUST came out and unelss I am using a Mac, and I ain't, I would not even attempt to use it on my production server.
The key here is better and less work. I have this ONE thing I would like to do out of 40 million other things I have to do everyday. If I could get something that does this better than cron, it would save me so much time it ain't funny. I don't have the time to write the shit otherwise I would. This is one case where clsoed source has open source beat. With sufficient fundage which I don't have now, I can go out and pop a scheduler in, pop the jobs I want in it and have exactly what I had asked for. There are NO open source projects that compete with this. Make for dependencies? What am I doing? Compiling?? Care to point to examples? Cron doe3s no logging beyond e-mailing the user and this is not enough to pass muster. I don't want ot have to go dig through mail spool or mbox to find out if jobs had finished correctly. Even writing a shitpile of scripts isn't going to do this properly....essentially, your asking me to do what I may end up having to do and that's writing my own scheduler. Even with the scripts and using make like you descirbe here, it's STILL not enough and STILL sucks.
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Open sourcce needs to grow out of the it's good enough for me it's good enough to run a multi million dollar company/college/whatever stage. Let's face it, cron sucks. Because writing schedulers are not sexy, it's gets put way down on the list if it's even on it. If you want me to use your crap, then you better give me the crap I NEED! I need something better then cron. If I write it, I will make sure to keep the source to myself and my company since cron seems good enough for you guys.