There's no ogg because how many portable MP3 players support ogg? Only one brand that I know of (iRiver) or possibly two. In any case, MP3 is a standard now, like it or not. If you submit a WAV, they will likely convert it for you. Every time I hear a but they don't support OGG comment, I just roll my eyes. If we want to ever make other people other than geeks aware of podcasting, we have to support the audio formats they know about. MP3's are what people know. When you say OGG and start talking about all of the reasons it's better the MP3, people's eyes glaze over. MP3 is where it's at.
This is why you order from the Apple Store!;) Amazon probably did not have permission to ship until today. Mac Mall and others screwed up or likely shipped cuz they heard someone else did.
I am currently installing on my Powerbook right now!;) Unless you could not get a discount any other way. I heard about the Amazon deal. It was about as good as the EDU discount Apple Store gives.
Apple has complied with the license. I now ask you...are you programmers or what?? I have programmers at work that, when given time, can step through about anything. Even a 6 MB file. I know the KDE Project has more then just KHTML, but at some point, you will want to look at Apple's code. They may have something you don' need to write. Is the code commented? If so, you have a leg up on the corporate types. There's MANY times where we had to rewrite stuff cuz the initial code was not understandable. This happens in all large projects be the open or not. Apple IS cooperating. Maybe the KHTML guys should just take a step back, finish the stuff they are working on, and start looking at Apple's code. Maybe, just MAYBE they have something you've been working on. I know I know....this does not seem as fun or glamourous, but would you not hate working on somethng that Apple's already got working all because you were too lazy to look at the code changes???
Not if your patient. I am the patient type of gamer. I will wait til that game I am not sure about hits the bargain bin. I don't think I paid over 30 for any game except maybe Mario Kart Double Dash. Sure, I ain't the first to play it, but I really could give a crap. Heck I still have not beaten some of the first games I got for my gamecube yet.
The N64 had Quake and Doom as well. Not as good because there was zero network ability, oh wait....it had 4 controllers. I don't remember if they utilized split screen or not. They may very well have, but I have not paid attention as I have not had the 64 for about a year and a half now.
Not to mention the fact you don't have to have a 5,000 dollar system to play a console game. PC games just tire me out setting the system up for them sometimes. Consoles are just damn convenient. Just slap the disk in and it plays the same on my 27 inch TV as it does on the neighbor's big screen. Not always so with PCs. You ain't got that 400 dollar vid card? Your graphics SUCK ass compared to the guy with a huge heat sink on his vid card. I ain't got the money to have a system that will play all the games I'd like to play. My boss is big time into heavy graphics video games and he has a AMD 64 bit machine and probably spent more on games then I do in 5 years! Nothing wrong with that, but man what I could do with that money....I could, and did all of the following...
Take my family on vacation go camping have a picnic go see 5 movies Buy a new car....
I mean, if you wanna spend all the money on PC games, thats fine, but I have better things to spend my money on.
Call me back when you OWN Apple and can make the decision. It's Apple's decision to carry Wiley books or to not carry them. Plain and simple. Is that calling Apple a bully? Maybe, but, you know, I don't care. It's their store and we have to play by thier rules. It's something we call a free market. If the market dictates (and Apple gets an earful from their customers) they will phase them back in. Will they loose money, maybe a TINY fraction, but I know I will still buy Apple's products. It's not like we could not get those books at B&N or Target or Amazon or something.
Yes that is what I see as typical of IBM support. My machine that I am tyoing on here had a bad motherboard that had not gone bad yet and it's warantee runs out like at the end of July or something?? In any case, they replaced, oh, about 200-300 motherboards on campus....for machines we probably won't have in another 2 years. Damn good service.
It's a Thinkpad. That's what. Thinkpads, in my humble opinion, are THE BEST laptops. Period. Only ones that may be better then a think pad are Powerbooks. Thinkpads are so nice that many companies only consider Thinkpads when they look at purchasing new corporate laptops. Adding a Tablet is a natural decision. Sure, it's been done before, but noone does a mobile PC like IBM. They are built to last.
1.You say this like you know and you may, but I have not seen a PUBLICALLY available statement from Apple itself on this. Just from a dude on Slashdot. You may work for Apple, but what proof do I have?? You may have seen a memo, but we have not and I have not seen this ANYWHERE on the Apple site. Don't you think that something like this would be posted....especially for people, like myself, who have an Apple Store that is local to them? Quite spouting off things and start posting links.
2. Again, why just a memo? Why not post this on the main web site? How do I have any proof???
4. No stocking another SKU is not AMAZING. Just ask the local grocery store. Oh sure, there's costs involved in producing a few million stickers and to order a few extra boxes. There's another UPC code in the DB... I mean how hard can it be? It AIN'T frickin rocket science.
4. Again, I don't think it would be a waste to just drop the CD's in there. I have had some packages from other companys come with 5-10 CD's. Not really all that bad when you us the right CD case. What I see as MORE of a waste is having that HUGE cardboard box with nothing but a 10 page pamplet and a single DVD in it. If Apple cares about the environment, they should use less cardboard in the package.
I think it's nice Apple wants to make things easy for the install, but let's face it, the RIGHT thing to do would have been to offer both versions. I know you won't agree, but frankly, I don't care. It's my opinion, let me have it.
And I AM being as friendly as I can be when I think a company is doing something stupid. You are the one that is coming across as an arrogant ass and saying I know more then u cuz I work for Apple and blah blah blah....and this is what the blah blah blah memo I have but noone outside of Apple has seen. Put a LINK to this policy up and I will believe it (the policy regarding free cd's if you walk in to the Apple store).
I CAN have an opinion. I will defend it. In another year or two, I would see the POINT in only releasing on DVD because by that point, the people who bought early iBooks and other machines will be upgrading either to a Mac Mini, or a new Powerbook/iBook. Right now, there are too many older machines out there to not have CD's. I mean you guys are already making them.....why would it be SO difficult to make a short run of CD's in a box?? Why am I wrong for having this opinion?? I love Apple products and do believe that they usually make the right decision but I whole heartedly disagree with not making CD available seperately as a separate SKU. Like I said, in another year or two, I can see this, but not now.
Just because I love Apple, doesn't mean I am always going to agree with them and why should I?? If Apple just wants me to buy without hearing an opinion or two out of me, they are SORELY mistaken.
Again, if the code is out in the open, WHAT IS THE POINT OF SELLING IT? I can download a metric tonne of Open Source software complete with source code. That's like me selling the stuff you can walk down the street to get for nothing. What exactly are you BUYING when you BUY open source? The CD? Support?? You certainly are not paying for the code.
I know, you can donate money to projects and I have in the past, but if anyone seriously thinks that IBM is working on Linux to sell it is in for a rude awakening. All the money in Open Source is in support contracts, hardware sales and training. There's ZERO money in selling the software....unless you sell t-shirts too.
No kidding. I feel the moderation is a bit unfair.
I am sorry, FOSS does not always work for everyone. Like it or not not ALL FOSS software is the best in the world. Sometimes,commercial products can be better.
FOSS developers only want to work on stuff that intrests them. They don't always want to work on stuff that may end up making a product more acceptable to newbies. You know, the old scratch an itch type stuf....and if it's boring, that itch isn't gunna ever get scratched.
If the source is open and you can download it, then what the HELL do you PAY for?? I CAN pay Mandriva or Novell for a copy of Linux, but then I can DOWNLOAD it as well. WHAT is the point of asking for money then?? Sure, I can buy the GNU software but WHY! I can download the source, modify it and post my changes and do pretty much anything but not distribute the code. The only way to have it where it makes sense is to NOT distrubute the code.
Also, what if your a graphics card developer? Open sourcing the driver may reveal things that the company doesn't want to reveal....things that may let the competition make a knock off.
I happen to AGREE with the no filibusters....it WASTES time. Either put up your vote or make a valid point and when everyone who wanted to say something or ask questions and noone's left, you should vote. Filibustes are another government waste.
One can say the same about Clinton: The past administration values loyalty over all else. The past administration brooks no dissent. The past administration carefully scripts, stages and choreographs virtually every major public event. The past administration is unwavering in their conviction and utterly unapologetic for their actions.
Did Mr. Clinton every apologize to America? To Monica Lewinsky? To her parents???
PAYING for software is not wrong either. RMS belives it's WRONG for programmers to recieve money for what they do...or at least the high and mighty corporations that employ them. I am sorry. After listening to the interview the Linux Link Tech Show did with him, I like him even less then I did before. I AGREE with him, FREE/FREE is the best, but sometimes you got to pay to get some piece of software that does something mundane that FOSS developers don't want to work on. For example, print spoolers or job schedulers better than cron (there are better schedulers then cron....even open source ones). There are not that many options on either of these fronts in the FOSS area. In the non-open area, there are alot of them. Some do some pretty cool things with print, but because it's not a Desktop Environment or a COOL Windows Manager, it gets pushed to the wayside....for Linux geeks at home, cron and CUPS may be enough. In the corporate world, we need more sometimes. Sometimes noone else make something you need Open Source and you got to buy it. RMS thinks buying software is a mortal sin and I frankly do not agree.
Only ones who are truely being locked out are the FOSS developers. The PRO photog is probably using a Mac or maybe a Windows machine with Photoshop. To them, it does not matter if they can edit the RAW image directly, what matters is that they can convert it to some other uncompressed format like a uncompressed TIFF file. Once that's done, they can photoshop it to their hearts content. Since the camera likely comes with software that will do this, it's just a simple conversion step.
That's not to say that I think Nikon is dumb for doing this. Is there any reason but vendor lock in for them to do this? No. I mean they already somewhat have this with thier lenses and now they want to do this with thier software??
NOT what this page says. It says you must pay 9.95. NO WHERE have I seen anything saying you can carry your copy on DVD in to an Apple Store and get CD's for free. Personally, if they are making CD's, why can't they just package them in different packages, or do like they did with iLife 05 and just put the CD's in with the DVD. I know there's a difference in cost between the two, but the current policy is a pain for non DVD Mac Owners which are, as you said, not that many. There are a few that will be affected, but anyone who has a recent Mac likely has one with a DVD-ROM at least. Why make it hard on those who will be in the market soon??
This is marked as funny, but has been shown to be true. On the same hardware, it's been faster in each iteration. I frankly can't wait. This is the same with Linux pretty much. You can run a recent kernel on what would be considered old hardware and be very productive. That's not to say you can't do that with XP either. The only reasons people NEED new hardware as of late has been to replace older hardware that has failed,or if you want to really dedicate yourself to games. The other reason is to really kick up the speed codecs encode at when working with video, but what you have should be ok....it will just be slow.
Then the first half of your password can be whatever, but the second half always changes. Plus I think I even saw tokens that were also calculators. They also have USB Authenticators as well. Granted, this would not work for some companies, but for many it would be fine.It could even work if you have to have a vendor go into your system to look at something. You could keept that signon's fob and when they need access you call and have them log in while your on the phone.
Password security is never easy to enforce. It's even worse in some industries. The VENDORS IDIOTIC programmers make thier programs have a default password or thier stuff does not work! In some places of business, the IT department does not have the choice in the system that is purchased. We may have a hand in it, but if the majority of the comittee is not IT and they all like it, your stuck.
You know, that was going to be my first response, but then I thought why are we "teaching" applications and not teaching the concepts needed to work with new applications? Us computer folk know alot and can acclimate to new programs well. Other can't because they are used to the menu structure and are afraid they are going to "kill" there computer if they do it another way. If EVERYONE was forced to learn say a real basic language, like maybe Visual Basic or even plain old basic and get some base concepts down and get the gist of how a program works then they may be able to move from one app to another more easily. In that class, you can teach some basic UI and keyboard shortcuts. If you teach the CONCEPT of UI's and not the APPLICATION itself, people should be able to LEARN applications on thier own.
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There's no ogg because how many portable MP3 players support ogg? Only one brand that I know of (iRiver) or possibly two. In any case, MP3 is a standard now, like it or not. If you submit a WAV, they will likely convert it for you. Every time I hear a but they don't support OGG comment, I just roll my eyes. If we want to ever make other people other than geeks aware of podcasting, we have to support the audio formats they know about. MP3's are what people know. When you say OGG and start talking about all of the reasons it's better the MP3, people's eyes glaze over. MP3 is where it's at.
This is why you order from the Apple Store! ;) Amazon probably did not have permission to ship until today. Mac Mall and others screwed up or likely shipped cuz they heard someone else did.
;) Unless you could not get a discount any other way. I heard about the Amazon deal. It was about as good as the EDU discount Apple Store gives.
I am currently installing on my Powerbook right now!
Apple has complied with the license. I now ask you...are you programmers or what?? I have programmers at work that, when given time, can step through about anything. Even a 6 MB file. I know the KDE Project has more then just KHTML, but at some point, you will want to look at Apple's code. They may have something you don' need to write. Is the code commented? If so, you have a leg up on the corporate types. There's MANY times where we had to rewrite stuff cuz the initial code was not understandable. This happens in all large projects be the open or not. Apple IS cooperating. Maybe the KHTML guys should just take a step back, finish the stuff they are working on, and start looking at Apple's code. Maybe, just MAYBE they have something you've been working on. I know I know....this does not seem as fun or glamourous, but would you not hate working on somethng that Apple's already got working all because you were too lazy to look at the code changes???
Not if your patient. I am the patient type of gamer. I will wait til that game I am not sure about hits the bargain bin. I don't think I paid over 30 for any game except maybe Mario Kart Double Dash. Sure, I ain't the first to play it, but I really could give a crap. Heck I still have not beaten some of the first games I got for my gamecube yet.
The N64 had Quake and Doom as well. Not as good because there was zero network ability, oh wait....it had 4 controllers. I don't remember if they utilized split screen or not. They may very well have, but I have not paid attention as I have not had the 64 for about a year and a half now.
Not to mention the fact you don't have to have a 5,000 dollar system to play a console game. PC games just tire me out setting the system up for them sometimes. Consoles are just damn convenient. Just slap the disk in and it plays the same on my 27 inch TV as it does on the neighbor's big screen. Not always so with PCs. You ain't got that 400 dollar vid card? Your graphics SUCK ass compared to the guy with a huge heat sink on his vid card. I ain't got the money to have a system that will play all the games I'd like to play. My boss is big time into heavy graphics video games and he has a AMD 64 bit machine and probably spent more on games then I do in 5 years! Nothing wrong with that, but man what I could do with that money....I could, and did all of the following...
Take my family on vacation
go camping
have a picnic
go see 5 movies
Buy a new car....
I mean, if you wanna spend all the money on PC games, thats fine, but I have better things to spend my money on.
Call me back when you OWN Apple and can make the decision. It's Apple's decision to carry Wiley books or to not carry them. Plain and simple. Is that calling Apple a bully? Maybe, but, you know, I don't care. It's their store and we have to play by thier rules. It's something we call a free market. If the market dictates (and Apple gets an earful from their customers) they will phase them back in. Will they loose money, maybe a TINY fraction, but I know I will still buy Apple's products. It's not like we could not get those books at B&N or Target or Amazon or something.
Yes that is what I see as typical of IBM support. My machine that I am tyoing on here had a bad motherboard that had not gone bad yet and it's warantee runs out like at the end of July or something?? In any case, they replaced, oh, about 200-300 motherboards on campus....for machines we probably won't have in another 2 years. Damn good service.
It's a Thinkpad. That's what. Thinkpads, in my humble opinion, are THE BEST laptops. Period. Only ones that may be better then a think pad are Powerbooks. Thinkpads are so nice that many companies only consider Thinkpads when they look at purchasing new corporate laptops. Adding a Tablet is a natural decision. Sure, it's been done before, but noone does a mobile PC like IBM. They are built to last.
I dunno! :) Some true blue Mac Zealots might! :)
1.You say this like you know and you may, but I have not seen a PUBLICALLY available statement from Apple itself on this. Just from a dude on Slashdot. You may work for Apple, but what proof do I have?? You may have seen a memo, but we have not and I have not seen this ANYWHERE on the Apple site. Don't you think that something like this would be posted....especially for people, like myself, who have an Apple Store that is local to them? Quite spouting off things and start posting links.
2. Again, why just a memo? Why not post this on the main web site? How do I have any proof???
4. No stocking another SKU is not AMAZING. Just ask the local grocery store. Oh sure, there's costs involved in producing a few million stickers and to order a few extra boxes. There's another UPC code in the DB... I mean how hard can it be? It AIN'T frickin rocket science.
4. Again, I don't think it would be a waste to just drop the CD's in there. I have had some packages from other companys come with 5-10 CD's. Not really all that bad when you us the right CD case. What I see as MORE of a waste is having that HUGE cardboard box with nothing but a 10 page pamplet and a single DVD in it. If Apple cares about the environment, they should use less cardboard in the package.
I think it's nice Apple wants to make things easy for the install, but let's face it, the RIGHT thing to do would have been to offer both versions. I know you won't agree, but frankly, I don't care. It's my opinion, let me have it.
And I AM being as friendly as I can be when I think a company is doing something stupid. You are the one that is coming across as an arrogant ass and saying I know more then u cuz I work for Apple and blah blah blah....and this is what the blah blah blah memo I have but noone outside of Apple has seen. Put a LINK to this policy up and I will believe it (the policy regarding free cd's if you walk in to the Apple store).
I CAN have an opinion. I will defend it. In another year or two, I would see the POINT in only releasing on DVD because by that point, the people who bought early iBooks and other machines will be upgrading either to a Mac Mini, or a new Powerbook/iBook. Right now, there are too many older machines out there to not have CD's. I mean you guys are already making them.....why would it be SO difficult to make a short run of CD's in a box?? Why am I wrong for having this opinion?? I love Apple products and do believe that they usually make the right decision but I whole heartedly disagree with not making CD available seperately as a separate SKU. Like I said, in another year or two, I can see this, but not now.
Just because I love Apple, doesn't mean I am always going to agree with them and why should I?? If Apple just wants me to buy without hearing an opinion or two out of me, they are SORELY mistaken.
Again, if the code is out in the open, WHAT IS THE POINT OF SELLING IT? I can download a metric tonne of Open Source software complete with source code. That's like me selling the stuff you can walk down the street to get for nothing. What exactly are you BUYING when you BUY open source? The CD? Support?? You certainly are not paying for the code.
I know, you can donate money to projects and I have in the past, but if anyone seriously thinks that IBM is working on Linux to sell it is in for a rude awakening. All the money in Open Source is in support contracts, hardware sales and training. There's ZERO money in selling the software....unless you sell t-shirts too.
No kidding. I feel the moderation is a bit unfair.
I am sorry, FOSS does not always work for everyone. Like it or not not ALL FOSS software is the best in the world. Sometimes,commercial products can be better.
FOSS developers only want to work on stuff that intrests them. They don't always want to work on stuff that may end up making a product more acceptable to newbies. You know, the old scratch an itch type stuf....and if it's boring, that itch isn't gunna ever get scratched.
If the source is open and you can download it, then what the HELL do you PAY for?? I CAN pay Mandriva or Novell for a copy of Linux, but then I can DOWNLOAD it as well. WHAT is the point of asking for money then?? Sure, I can buy the GNU software but WHY! I can download the source, modify it and post my changes and do pretty much anything but not distribute the code. The only way to have it where it makes sense is to NOT distrubute the code.
Also, what if your a graphics card developer? Open sourcing the driver may reveal things that the company doesn't want to reveal....things that may let the competition make a knock off.
I happen to AGREE with the no filibusters....it WASTES time. Either put up your vote or make a valid point and when everyone who wanted to say something or ask questions and noone's left, you should vote. Filibustes are another government waste.
One can say the same about Clinton:
The past administration values loyalty over all else.
The past administration brooks no dissent.
The past administration carefully scripts, stages and choreographs virtually every major public event.
The past administration is unwavering in their conviction and utterly unapologetic for their actions.
Did Mr. Clinton every apologize to America? To Monica Lewinsky? To her parents???
PAYING for software is not wrong either. RMS belives it's WRONG for programmers to recieve money for what they do...or at least the high and mighty corporations that employ them. I am sorry. After listening to the interview the Linux Link Tech Show did with him, I like him even less then I did before. I AGREE with him, FREE/FREE is the best, but sometimes you got to pay to get some piece of software that does something mundane that FOSS developers don't want to work on. For example, print spoolers or job schedulers better than cron (there are better schedulers then cron....even open source ones). There are not that many options on either of these fronts in the FOSS area. In the non-open area, there are alot of them. Some do some pretty cool things with print, but because it's not a Desktop Environment or a COOL Windows Manager, it gets pushed to the wayside....for Linux geeks at home, cron and CUPS may be enough. In the corporate world, we need more sometimes. Sometimes noone else make something you need Open Source and you got to buy it. RMS thinks buying software is a mortal sin and I frankly do not agree.
As are AmigaOS Users....I remember all the flurry back in the late 90's and now....nothing.
Only ones who are truely being locked out are the FOSS developers. The PRO photog is probably using a Mac or maybe a Windows machine with Photoshop. To them, it does not matter if they can edit the RAW image directly, what matters is that they can convert it to some other uncompressed format like a uncompressed TIFF file. Once that's done, they can photoshop it to their hearts content. Since the camera likely comes with software that will do this, it's just a simple conversion step.
That's not to say that I think Nikon is dumb for doing this. Is there any reason but vendor lock in for them to do this? No. I mean they already somewhat have this with thier lenses and now they want to do this with thier software??
How many CD's does AOL STILL ship per month? 50 million sounds right.
NOT what this page says. It says you must pay 9.95. NO WHERE have I seen anything saying you can carry your copy on DVD in to an Apple Store and get CD's for free. Personally, if they are making CD's, why can't they just package them in different packages, or do like they did with iLife 05 and just put the CD's in with the DVD. I know there's a difference in cost between the two, but the current policy is a pain for non DVD Mac Owners which are, as you said, not that many. There are a few that will be affected, but anyone who has a recent Mac likely has one with a DVD-ROM at least. Why make it hard on those who will be in the market soon??
This is marked as funny, but has been shown to be true. On the same hardware, it's been faster in each iteration. I frankly can't wait. This is the same with Linux pretty much. You can run a recent kernel on what would be considered old hardware and be very productive. That's not to say you can't do that with XP either. The only reasons people NEED new hardware as of late has been to replace older hardware that has failed,or if you want to really dedicate yourself to games. The other reason is to really kick up the speed codecs encode at when working with video, but what you have should be ok....it will just be slow.
What about using RSA Securid?
http://www.rsasecurity.com/node.asp?id=1157
Then the first half of your password can be whatever, but the second half always changes. Plus I think I even saw tokens that were also calculators. They also have USB Authenticators as well. Granted, this would not work for some companies, but for many it would be fine.It could even work if you have to have a vendor go into your system to look at something. You could keept that signon's fob and when they need access you call and have them log in while your on the phone.
Password security is never easy to enforce. It's even worse in some industries. The VENDORS IDIOTIC programmers make thier programs have a default password or thier stuff does not work! In some places of business, the IT department does not have the choice in the system that is purchased. We may have a hand in it, but if the majority of the comittee is not IT and they all like it, your stuck.
You know, that was going to be my first response, but then I thought why are we "teaching" applications and not teaching the concepts needed to work with new applications? Us computer folk know alot and can acclimate to new programs well. Other can't because they are used to the menu structure and are afraid they are going to "kill" there computer if they do it another way. If EVERYONE was forced to learn say a real basic language, like maybe Visual Basic or even plain old basic and get some base concepts down and get the gist of how a program works then they may be able to move from one app to another more easily. In that class, you can teach some basic UI and keyboard shortcuts. If you teach the CONCEPT of UI's and not the APPLICATION itself, people should be able to LEARN applications on thier own.