You make some good points and the prices start to run closer at the higher end, sure, but that is only on the high end machines. You charge a pretty penny for your services - with prices like that I can see that difference dwindling for sure. It all depends on how you go about everything I suppose. I am certainly not against Macs, I own one and I love it. That being said, I am not going to recommend one to a friend looking for the "best deal" for the best price.
In business time is money this is why companies that are not in the business of building PC's do not build thier own PC's. Just like you drive a car but you dont build your own...it is not cheaper. If you want to puy a system with the most bang for the buck and it to work...and it to be capable of RUNNING EVERYTHING then a MAC is the only choice. Are you kidding me? If that were true Macs would be all over in the business world. Your arguement is flawed is so many ways it is hard to even reply. Business do build their own machines all the time, not all, but the bigger it is, the more likely they mess with their hardware. If you have 20 machines in your office, you are going to have PCs so you can:
1) Get them cheaper out of the box
2) Maintain them easier - hardware and software wise - replacing parts is possible!
3) Ability to upgrade
Now if you are buying one machine for your office, sure Mac is probably a choice to consider, but for anything where every employee has a computer, Macs are not even in the race.
Time is money? Sure, but money is money too. PCs are manageable(software), upgradeable, and cheaper to maintain and fix, period.
Built it in January and it best compared to what I was building. How is that a troll in any way? I didnt take the greatest thing Apple had to offer and build a comparable machine. I decided what I wanted, looked at what Apple had in that range and based it off that. That just happened to be the G5, no surprise there...
Well thanks for busting the 'myth?', I guess, but it actually fact in case you were wondering.
This comparison is bogus, using "name brand" hardware and using Dell as a comparison. This may work for the plebs that buy Dells or whatever, but here on slashdot... sorry no dice. Laptops are one thing since you cannot build them yourself, but even so, they do not come in cheaper. Anyone who has priced comparable laptops knows this to be true... the writing is on the wall, or at least on the bottom line.
The difference becomes glaring in the desktop sector though. Especially to us here, where we build our own machines. Everyone knows that you can get the specs for a G5, go to Tigerdirect, Newegg, wherever and price things out piece by piece and come in well under what that Mac would cost.
These are not guesses either, I am sure many here have done the same already as I have. I have bought a laptop and built a PC this year and managed to get great machines for at least a savings of $500. On my desktop, I managed to come in around $750 less than the G5. That was for the whole shebang too, box, power supply, OS, everything.
I for one, am fed up with this huge wave of Mac fanboyism based on false beliefs. They make great machines, but they are over priced, to most people, for what they offer. The problem only compounds in the tech community because actually have insight in what things should and actually do cost.
They are part of huge programs. It is not like there is 5 files or something. Not to mention all the database connectivity and such, it can be a real pain to change things. Every CMS organizes everything differently but Drupal has the best organization and structure that leads to the most manipulatable code.
Joomla is for people who are not technically inclined, but willing to learn a little in order to make a decent site. It is great for that LARGE community of people and it does work well. That being said, Drupal is the choice for programmers looking for a powerful CMS that is documented well and easy to extend in many more ways. You have much more control over Drupal than with Joomla. You can look at it this way:
Suppose you have a house and you are looking to do some work on it, you know facelift, upgrade, new addition, whatever. Joomla is like a store, you can get a bunch of different things in the store to fix up your place - Lots of items to choose from! Now Drupal on the other hand, is like a store as well, but it also toolbox (programmers skill) that you can use to change any part of your house.
Not to bring Joomla down in that same regard, you can of course jump in the code and start messing with things too, but Drupals structure makes it much easier and the amount of things you can manipulate are wide-ranging.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I am certainly not one to defend Windows as the best OS for X and X reasons, but I will defend anything from attacks that it does not deserve. Windows has what you are looking for as freeware almost all the time. There are thousands and thousands of programs made for Windows to do a whole slew of things. With OS X, that just is not the case. It sounds like if it were not for the chance of getting spyware, you would not have a leg to stand on.
If you use a mac, it's a given. You don't specify it, you just know it. That's what people mean when they say abundance of free quality software for the mac. You do not just "know it" - the programs you are getting for free could have spyware just as easily as Windows programs do. Nobody wants to write spyware for OS X because it is a waste of time targeting such a small market share. If Apple were to explode on the commercial scene and manage to get a 30% market share, you would have the same exact problem. It is not the fault of the OS as it is of the malicious people writing the spyware and including it. Sure, Windows suffers because of it, nobody can argue against that. The fact is though, you hold OS X to be better because of this, when that is not the truth. In fact, you just benefit because your OS is used by so few, you are protected on the basis of obscurity if you will. Lets say dodging malware is a product of using the most used OS in the world, and that sucks, but it is hard to justify thinking less of it for that reason. I mean, Google is #1 in search easily, but does that make Yahoo! the best because Google gets hit by spammers and the like way way way more often than the rest? No, it does not.
Took me 1 second to find this. First result on Google for "burning image software no spyware" is AVS Disc Creator. WOW! How hard was that. Does everything you wanted, plus much more, for free with no spyware.
Come on you are being such a tool. How can you honestly believe that to be true. You obviously have used or do use a Windows machine for something right?
The average quality of freeway is much higher than on Windows? True to a degree... You are right about there being many more Windows programs, but you make a big deal out of finding the right one. You have to be a complete idiot to not read reviews or specifications. When you search for freeware there is almost always a review site telling you whats what and even if there isnt, the best stuff garners the most links and has the higher page rank, thus showing up first. Not always, but most of the time...... Trying DOZENS of programs to find one that does what it says? Come on, stop being such a tool, you know that is not true. If you read the specs for a freeware program, it will almost always do what it says. That person has little reason to lie. Read the requirements and specs and you will be fine. Bottom line, it is not hard to find freeware for Windows.
Now on the contrary, finding freeware for OS X can be a nightmare like you described as well. The freeware apps are often so minimalistic that they only handle basic functions. Most do what they say they will, but that is often just the core functions of whatever you are trying to get. The windows equivalent will have many more options and much more power within the application. A specific example is FTP's. Look for freeware FTP's for OS X and Windows. You will find both have great choices, but outside the top 1 or 2, the Windows choices absolutely SHAME the OS X apps.
Bottom line, they both have decent freeware, but Windows freeware is much more plentiful, offers more choices, and the apps are generally more feature laden, for good or ill.
Let us be thankful that our great show, that turned to shit, wont hit rock bottom before they decide to end it. I am happy to hear that it will be ending after this season because that means they ahve to actually advance the story instead of making filler episodes that brought the series down the last couple seasons.
You have got to be kidding me. See, you are the type of person who cannot grasp what other people think of other things. You are obviously a Linux fanboy, whatever that is fine, but you cannot be naive to the shortcomings of Linux. Less support calls because Linux is more stable in the long run? The whole point was they will never see the long run. Instead they will try to install any number of things, like a game, scanner, printer, webcam(I know 477 drivers or something blah blah), or any other number of peripherals and have problem after problem.
For the 95% of the nation who are not technically inclined like us, Linux is a nightmare waiting to happen. We might know what about someone is talking about when they say shell or bash, but my mother doesn't... does yours?
People are already commenting on how everyone should be able to choose between Vista/XP or Ubuntu so they can see the $50 savings on the configuration part of the process. That is not a good thing for Dell/Ubuntu because it will only cause problems. This deal was made to sell Ubuntu Dells to people who wanted that, not to give people a money saving option.
Know this...A ton of people buy dells everyday and out of those, many are buying their first computer or are generally considered novice users. Now Dell is also a sort of bargain type place, so people may be more frugal, not all, but certainly a good amount. Stay with me here...
So now you have people customizing their computer, choosing Ubuntu to save $50, $80 whatever it is, getting the computer at home and then having the realization they just got what they paid for. They will not be happy. Dell will have to field that support call from people who are CLUELESS to what Linux or an OS is. Many of those support calls will end with, "you probably want to buy Windows" and as a result, that computer user just had a nightmare experience and will never consider a Linux distro again. This is not a 'what if' scenario, this will happen and happen often if people are given the choice right off like people here want to see.
The point is this, if they list Ubuntu at $50 cheaper than windows to everyone with soliciting the Ubuntu option, it will be the end of this deal and it will not take long. The only way it would work is if Dell could manage to turn a profit from selling a machine loaded with Ubuntu, fielding all the support calls and then selling Windows at a higher cost to unsatisfied customers for a net gain that is worth that effort. So please, stop asking for equality in the OS choice screen during customization. If you get greedy like that, the whole program is probably going to go under. Be happy they are selling the boxes to you, not to your neighbor who does not know how to spell Linux.
So Wordpress is not secure and its users do not know how or perhaps do not even care to make it secure. That, to me, means that if WP does not change its delivery and security by default, tons of blogs will be compromised. That therefore means the market will be wide open for a service that has a secure code base that can be updated easily.
Good riddance if that is the case. If they cannot adapt to the needs of its users, they deserve what will come to them, though their users do not:(
Well if you cant use Windows, and you cant, you have to learn linux sometime. Might as well be young when they dont even know windows. Only admins will have issues like this anyways. Are not most of the kids that are going to be using these computers kids that have never used a computer before and therefore, Windows? Even if they did, they are young and will be much more open to changing as their ties to Windows could only be so strong at that age.
Every single time something is posted that threatens the internet community, our community, everyone gets all riled up and starts fact finding. While nothing has really happened yet, I can only imagine what will happen if the government tries to tamper with what we have now.
If taxation or net neutrality manages to come into effect, our community, which built, understands, and gets the most out of the web are not going to just 'take it.' I feel bad for whoever is on the receiving end of our responce because, honestly, I think we can cause so much trouble/damage that they would be forced to do something. That opens up a whole different bag of issues, but that isnt the point. The point is that if the whole geek/nerd community decided to take action against something, our voice would be the loudest, most recognized voice in history probably. We are the internet and the internet is HUGE.
Pretty good is not good enough. While MS sucks blah blah, XP is solid and things work. I have had only a few issues with XP where it was only pretty good or lower. With XP, I notice the OS much less than with most Linux which is in your face with all of its configuration and tweeking to get things to work.
I would much rather us just find them instead of them finding us. Assuming there is life blah blah, who says they are nice? Who says we are nice? I certainly would not want anyone sending a message on behalf of our species to anything/anyone!
You can certainly enforce some changes on the small scale of a guild, sure. My old guild was the same way. It worked well actually, but to think you can apply the same standards outside of the scope of a guild makes you nuts! Really, all you can hope for is to keep your guild chat channels clean. Anything beyond that is a pipe dream.
No. It is the factor of anonymity that makes it vastly differently. In the civil rights movement, if you called someone something, people attached a name to the statement. People knew what you did. Online, that is not the case, so things will not change.
You are the troll who should have read my post and noticed I specifically mentioned the factor of anonymity.
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You make some good points and the prices start to run closer at the higher end, sure, but that is only on the high end machines. You charge a pretty penny for your services - with prices like that I can see that difference dwindling for sure. It all depends on how you go about everything I suppose. I am certainly not against Macs, I own one and I love it. That being said, I am not going to recommend one to a friend looking for the "best deal" for the best price.
1) Get them cheaper out of the box
2) Maintain them easier - hardware and software wise - replacing parts is possible!
3) Ability to upgrade
Now if you are buying one machine for your office, sure Mac is probably a choice to consider, but for anything where every employee has a computer, Macs are not even in the race.
Time is money? Sure, but money is money too. PCs are manageable(software), upgradeable, and cheaper to maintain and fix, period.
Built it in January and it best compared to what I was building. How is that a troll in any way? I didnt take the greatest thing Apple had to offer and build a comparable machine. I decided what I wanted, looked at what Apple had in that range and based it off that. That just happened to be the G5, no surprise there...
Well thanks for busting the 'myth?', I guess, but it actually fact in case you were wondering.
:)
This comparison is bogus, using "name brand" hardware and using Dell as a comparison. This may work for the plebs that buy Dells or whatever, but here on slashdot... sorry no dice. Laptops are one thing since you cannot build them yourself, but even so, they do not come in cheaper. Anyone who has priced comparable laptops knows this to be true... the writing is on the wall, or at least on the bottom line.
The difference becomes glaring in the desktop sector though. Especially to us here, where we build our own machines. Everyone knows that you can get the specs for a G5, go to Tigerdirect, Newegg, wherever and price things out piece by piece and come in well under what that Mac would cost.
These are not guesses either, I am sure many here have done the same already as I have. I have bought a laptop and built a PC this year and managed to get great machines for at least a savings of $500. On my desktop, I managed to come in around $750 less than the G5. That was for the whole shebang too, box, power supply, OS, everything.
I for one, am fed up with this huge wave of Mac fanboyism based on false beliefs. They make great machines, but they are over priced, to most people, for what they offer. The problem only compounds in the tech community because actually have insight in what things should and actually do cost.
Goodbye karma
They are part of huge programs. It is not like there is 5 files or something. Not to mention all the database connectivity and such, it can be a real pain to change things. Every CMS organizes everything differently but Drupal has the best organization and structure that leads to the most manipulatable code.
I think you just disagreed with me and then reiterated the same points I made? :) Just have replied to the wrong one?
Joomla is for people who are not technically inclined, but willing to learn a little in order to make a decent site. It is great for that LARGE community of people and it does work well. That being said, Drupal is the choice for programmers looking for a powerful CMS that is documented well and easy to extend in many more ways. You have much more control over Drupal than with Joomla. You can look at it this way:
Suppose you have a house and you are looking to do some work on it, you know facelift, upgrade, new addition, whatever. Joomla is like a store, you can get a bunch of different things in the store to fix up your place - Lots of items to choose from! Now Drupal on the other hand, is like a store as well, but it also toolbox (programmers skill) that you can use to change any part of your house.
Not to bring Joomla down in that same regard, you can of course jump in the code and start messing with things too, but Drupals structure makes it much easier and the amount of things you can manipulate are wide-ranging.
I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I am certainly not one to defend Windows as the best OS for X and X reasons, but I will defend anything from attacks that it does not deserve. Windows has what you are looking for as freeware almost all the time. There are thousands and thousands of programs made for Windows to do a whole slew of things. With OS X, that just is not the case. It sounds like if it were not for the chance of getting spyware, you would not have a leg to stand on.
Like I said, you are an idiot!
Took me 1 second to find this. First result on Google for "burning image software no spyware" is AVS Disc Creator. WOW! How hard was that. Does everything you wanted, plus much more, for free with no spyware.
Stop blaming Windows for your own shortcomings.
Come on you are being such a tool. How can you honestly believe that to be true. You obviously have used or do use a Windows machine for something right?
The average quality of freeway is much higher than on Windows? True to a degree... You are right about there being many more Windows programs, but you make a big deal out of finding the right one. You have to be a complete idiot to not read reviews or specifications. When you search for freeware there is almost always a review site telling you whats what and even if there isnt, the best stuff garners the most links and has the higher page rank, thus showing up first. Not always, but most of the time...... Trying DOZENS of programs to find one that does what it says? Come on, stop being such a tool, you know that is not true. If you read the specs for a freeware program, it will almost always do what it says. That person has little reason to lie. Read the requirements and specs and you will be fine. Bottom line, it is not hard to find freeware for Windows.
Now on the contrary, finding freeware for OS X can be a nightmare like you described as well. The freeware apps are often so minimalistic that they only handle basic functions. Most do what they say they will, but that is often just the core functions of whatever you are trying to get. The windows equivalent will have many more options and much more power within the application. A specific example is FTP's. Look for freeware FTP's for OS X and Windows. You will find both have great choices, but outside the top 1 or 2, the Windows choices absolutely SHAME the OS X apps.
Bottom line, they both have decent freeware, but Windows freeware is much more plentiful, offers more choices, and the apps are generally more feature laden, for good or ill.
Let us be thankful that our great show, that turned to shit, wont hit rock bottom before they decide to end it. I am happy to hear that it will be ending after this season because that means they ahve to actually advance the story instead of making filler episodes that brought the series down the last couple seasons.
You have got to be kidding me. See, you are the type of person who cannot grasp what other people think of other things. You are obviously a Linux fanboy, whatever that is fine, but you cannot be naive to the shortcomings of Linux. Less support calls because Linux is more stable in the long run? The whole point was they will never see the long run. Instead they will try to install any number of things, like a game, scanner, printer, webcam(I know 477 drivers or something blah blah), or any other number of peripherals and have problem after problem.
For the 95% of the nation who are not technically inclined like us, Linux is a nightmare waiting to happen. We might know what about someone is talking about when they say shell or bash, but my mother doesn't... does yours?
People are already commenting on how everyone should be able to choose between Vista/XP or Ubuntu so they can see the $50 savings on the configuration part of the process. That is not a good thing for Dell/Ubuntu because it will only cause problems. This deal was made to sell Ubuntu Dells to people who wanted that, not to give people a money saving option.
Know this...A ton of people buy dells everyday and out of those, many are buying their first computer or are generally considered novice users. Now Dell is also a sort of bargain type place, so people may be more frugal, not all, but certainly a good amount. Stay with me here...
So now you have people customizing their computer, choosing Ubuntu to save $50, $80 whatever it is, getting the computer at home and then having the realization they just got what they paid for. They will not be happy. Dell will have to field that support call from people who are CLUELESS to what Linux or an OS is. Many of those support calls will end with, "you probably want to buy Windows" and as a result, that computer user just had a nightmare experience and will never consider a Linux distro again. This is not a 'what if' scenario, this will happen and happen often if people are given the choice right off like people here want to see.
The point is this, if they list Ubuntu at $50 cheaper than windows to everyone with soliciting the Ubuntu option, it will be the end of this deal and it will not take long. The only way it would work is if Dell could manage to turn a profit from selling a machine loaded with Ubuntu, fielding all the support calls and then selling Windows at a higher cost to unsatisfied customers for a net gain that is worth that effort. So please, stop asking for equality in the OS choice screen during customization. If you get greedy like that, the whole program is probably going to go under. Be happy they are selling the boxes to you, not to your neighbor who does not know how to spell Linux.
So Wordpress is not secure and its users do not know how or perhaps do not even care to make it secure. That, to me, means that if WP does not change its delivery and security by default, tons of blogs will be compromised. That therefore means the market will be wide open for a service that has a secure code base that can be updated easily.
:(
Good riddance if that is the case. If they cannot adapt to the needs of its users, they deserve what will come to them, though their users do not
Well if you cant use Windows, and you cant, you have to learn linux sometime. Might as well be young when they dont even know windows. Only admins will have issues like this anyways. Are not most of the kids that are going to be using these computers kids that have never used a computer before and therefore, Windows? Even if they did, they are young and will be much more open to changing as their ties to Windows could only be so strong at that age.
Every single time something is posted that threatens the internet community, our community, everyone gets all riled up and starts fact finding. While nothing has really happened yet, I can only imagine what will happen if the government tries to tamper with what we have now.
If taxation or net neutrality manages to come into effect, our community, which built, understands, and gets the most out of the web are not going to just 'take it.' I feel bad for whoever is on the receiving end of our responce because, honestly, I think we can cause so much trouble/damage that they would be forced to do something. That opens up a whole different bag of issues, but that isnt the point. The point is that if the whole geek/nerd community decided to take action against something, our voice would be the loudest, most recognized voice in history probably. We are the internet and the internet is HUGE.
Pretty good is not good enough. While MS sucks blah blah, XP is solid and things work. I have had only a few issues with XP where it was only pretty good or lower. With XP, I notice the OS much less than with most Linux which is in your face with all of its configuration and tweeking to get things to work.
TFA quotes the a Supremes member which the Onion does not. It is in the same vein, but does not look like someone took the Onion as fact.
I agree. I say deal with it. Such is life, you have to learn to deal with douchenozzles.
I would much rather us just find them instead of them finding us. Assuming there is life blah blah, who says they are nice? Who says we are nice? I certainly would not want anyone sending a message on behalf of our species to anything/anyone!
You can certainly enforce some changes on the small scale of a guild, sure. My old guild was the same way. It worked well actually, but to think you can apply the same standards outside of the scope of a guild makes you nuts! Really, all you can hope for is to keep your guild chat channels clean. Anything beyond that is a pipe dream.
Now if Acquantive is bad now that MS owns it and DoubleClick is good because Google owns it, you need to seriously reexamine your thinking here.
No. It is the factor of anonymity that makes it vastly differently. In the civil rights movement, if you called someone something, people attached a name to the statement. People knew what you did. Online, that is not the case, so things will not change.
You are the troll who should have read my post and noticed I specifically mentioned the factor of anonymity.