And if you don't fix it, you better quarantine it. No internet, ever.
So in your mind, any 'vulnerability' at all is essentially the same as any other.
People are obviously 'quarantining' their systems already. It's called a firewall.
Firewalls can be used to separate subnets, too, ya know. Judiciously used, they can provide a lot of protection. Also, locking a W2K machine down by skillfully rolling it out with non-admin user accounts makes a hell of a lot of difference, too.
You're sounding like one of those IT toads who can only deal with the concept of one ghost image at a time.
Well, 'hanging them raw and ragged on the internet' is dangerous, anyway.
There are decent hardware firewall and proxy methods that can easily be implemented by anybody selling a turnkey service.
Frankly, in my mind, it's positively stupid for anyone to run Windows 2000 anymore, unless it's a closed network with no chance of an unsafe machine being brought into it.
You are correct. I have a whole 'fleet' of Dell Optiplex GX1 machines (that I generally paid less than $5 in skid quantities). I keep Ghost images on bootable CDs to 'blow' onto them for the occasions when I need one for a task. Curiously, many of them 'find and install new hardware' even from a ghost image from a GX1 install from a presumably identical machine.
all used recycled Win 2k Pros -- COA's pulled from retail, not OEM, licenesed systems that the client provided from their last business).
A lot of people wonder why anybody would be crazy enough to pay for full 'retail box' versions of Windows. This instance proves why it is worth it. The license travels with the CD and CD key to any machine you choose to install it on. Revenue-wise, Microsoft gets to suck an egg.
And what, prey tell, is 'the cost of an IT refresh cycle'??
It's the cost of a Wintel cash infusion.
I'm sorry. On my desk at work is a Windows 98 era machine, that does everything I need it to do. It's crippled now that our retarded IT staff has deigned that it needs to run XP.
IT 'upgraded' me from a Pentium II 400 to a Pentium III 500 and it's significantly slower, because it's running candy-shit XP. The old machine ran W2K adequately.
Now you're making me wish I had saved a mirror of Elcomsoft's website. They were selling 'email address harvesting' tools to scrap email addresses off websites, etc. And bulk mailing tools.
I imagine somebody must have a 'way back machine' reference to this. Although from what I saw on the Elcomsoft site back then, they were dirty thugs and would hammer down any 'real reputable source' I suppose.
With any kind of luck, a few normally subdued but very powerful law firms will be among the 'victims' of this kind of thing. Then they'll sue a sizable chunk of Microsoft loose. Wow, I actually came up with a scenario where bloodsucking lawyers look good...
Believe it or not, you can download Solaris X86 from Sun Microsystems and run it, for free. It now has the Gnome desktop, good browser support, and (obviously) Star Office (or Open Office).
Um hasn't MS always tried to secure their products upon install?
No. In fact, Windows 3.1 came on seven floppy diskettes with no 'fingerprinting' or 'keys' needed.
Even one of the earliest versions of Windows 95, the release on 5-1/4" floppy diskettes, required no 'CD key' and didn't 'fingerprint' the install diskettes with your registration information (the 3-1/2" floppy version imprints whatever name you enter the first time you install- just use diskcopy to make a throwaway copy of the first disk before beginning, of course)
I've never opened the sealed bag with my copy of Windows 98 on 3-1/2" floppies (one HELL of a lot of disks) to see if and how it 'fingerprints' or 'secures' the diskettes.
I am kind of wondering why the Wikipedia has nothing in it about the fact that Elcomsoft, mentioned in the article, and who Sklyarov works for, is a company that produces commercial closed-source email harvesting tools and other software tools for spammers to use. Most spammers are clueless and would have a much harder time spamming us widely without the support of 'experts' like Sklyarov who 'sell out' to them for the big bucks.
It sheds a new light on 'hero' Sklyarov that he's nothing but a mercenary for the spamming industry. So what gives?
Can you guys come up with one defense of President Turd Bush
Which 'guys' do you refer to? Are you assuming because I think Clinton was scum, that I am a card carrying Republican Bush partisan?
The world isn't black and white, dude. Lots of dirty gray out there. Clinton is VERY dirty gray.
I mean, Clinton is THE DLC's boy, ya know. If you're one of those nutroots Kos or DU kids (as opposed to the Ldotters or Freepers, green footballers, plain old AM radio ditto freaks), you should absolutely HATE Clinton, on principle. He's almost a *shudder* Lieberman.
I'm sorry but to me, a blowjob will never, ever compare to...
Why do Clinton fans always try to reduce it to 'a blow job?'
What Clinton did was lie while under oath in a case where he was identified as the serial sexual harassment predator he is. I thought after 'Clarence Thomas' that Sexual Harassment was a serious issue for the Democrats.
The fact that Clinton was soliciting blow jobs from a young White House intern (a few years older than his daughter) is symtomatic, but not a central issue in the case.
Better yet would be to have simply made it impossible for off-shore gambling operations to collect. The US Government could simply say that gambling debts for online gambling is null and void. People who won would collect for a few milliseconds, people who had lost would immediately stop paying anything. The online gambling industry would *pfft* disappear.
Because they need to appeal to their brainless goober Christian fundamentalist redneck trailer trash constituency.
You know, to any unbiased observer, your comment makes you look like a "nigger killer fingering the notches on your gun." Yes. You seem a little bit like a bigot, dude.
algore isn't the 'Green's spokesman.' In fact, he ran AGAINST the green candidate in the 2000 election.
algore is just a party hack from one of the two wings of the big stupid bird called 'the US political bird.' (Right wing labeled 'Republican' and left wing labeled 'democrat' but attached and just one big stupid bird.)
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And if you don't fix it, you better quarantine it. No internet, ever.
So in your mind, any 'vulnerability' at all is essentially the same as any other.
People are obviously 'quarantining' their systems already. It's called a firewall.
Firewalls can be used to separate subnets, too, ya know. Judiciously used, they can provide a lot of protection. Also, locking a W2K machine down by skillfully rolling it out with non-admin user accounts makes a hell of a lot of difference, too.
You're sounding like one of those IT toads who can only deal with the concept of one ghost image at a time.
Well, 'hanging them raw and ragged on the internet' is dangerous, anyway.
There are decent hardware firewall and proxy methods that can easily be implemented by anybody selling a turnkey service.
Frankly, in my mind, it's positively stupid for anyone to run Windows 2000 anymore, unless it's a closed network with no chance of an unsafe machine being brought into it.
You just gave Bill Gates a woodie, dude.
You are correct. I have a whole 'fleet' of Dell Optiplex GX1 machines (that I generally paid less than $5 in skid quantities). I keep Ghost images on bootable CDs to 'blow' onto them for the occasions when I need one for a task. Curiously, many of them 'find and install new hardware' even from a ghost image from a GX1 install from a presumably identical machine.
all used recycled Win 2k Pros -- COA's pulled from retail, not OEM, licenesed systems that the client provided from their last business).
A lot of people wonder why anybody would be crazy enough to pay for full 'retail box' versions of Windows. This instance proves why it is worth it. The license travels with the CD and CD key to any machine you choose to install it on. Revenue-wise, Microsoft gets to suck an egg.
And what, prey tell, is 'the cost of an IT refresh cycle'??
It's the cost of a Wintel cash infusion.
I'm sorry. On my desk at work is a Windows 98 era machine, that does everything I need it to do. It's crippled now that our retarded IT staff has deigned that it needs to run XP.
IT 'upgraded' me from a Pentium II 400 to a Pentium III 500 and it's significantly slower, because it's running candy-shit XP. The old machine ran W2K adequately.
There's nothing 'ulterior' about it. If he knows something will drive away viewers, he won't do it.
Remember, he's an 'entertainer' just like Rush Limbaugh, so he has no political point to be making.
Or am I wrong on this about him and Rush?
Don't fool yourself. The *whole* purpose of The Daily Show is to draw viewers for the advertisements that run between 'segments.'
It's tee vee, ya know. . .
The 'WS' doesn't stand for 'whatta server!' It stands for Work Station.
Red Hat's Server isn't just $299.
Now you're making me wish I had saved a mirror of Elcomsoft's website. They were selling 'email address harvesting' tools to scrap email addresses off websites, etc. And bulk mailing tools.
I imagine somebody must have a 'way back machine' reference to this. Although from what I saw on the Elcomsoft site back then, they were dirty thugs and would hammer down any 'real reputable source' I suppose.
The guy is no hero. Honest.
With any kind of luck, a few normally subdued but very powerful law firms will be among the 'victims' of this kind of thing. Then they'll sue a sizable chunk of Microsoft loose. Wow, I actually came up with a scenario where bloodsucking lawyers look good...
Believe it or not, you can download Solaris X86 from Sun Microsystems and run it, for free. It now has the Gnome desktop, good browser support, and (obviously) Star Office (or Open Office).
Um hasn't MS always tried to secure their products upon install?
No. In fact, Windows 3.1 came on seven floppy diskettes with no 'fingerprinting' or 'keys' needed.
Even one of the earliest versions of Windows 95, the release on 5-1/4" floppy diskettes, required no 'CD key' and didn't 'fingerprint' the install diskettes with your registration information (the 3-1/2" floppy version imprints whatever name you enter the first time you install- just use diskcopy to make a throwaway copy of the first disk before beginning, of course)
I've never opened the sealed bag with my copy of Windows 98 on 3-1/2" floppies (one HELL of a lot of disks) to see if and how it 'fingerprints' or 'secures' the diskettes.
You bought a 'hand-generated' flashlight and saved it until an 'emergency' without ever trying it out????
When was the last time you saw an RCA TV? a Zenith?
We have an RCA TV in our living room.
We, ummm, bought it at WalMart.
I am kind of wondering why the Wikipedia has nothing in it about the fact that Elcomsoft, mentioned in the article, and who Sklyarov works for, is a company that produces commercial closed-source email harvesting tools and other software tools for spammers to use. Most spammers are clueless and would have a much harder time spamming us widely without the support of 'experts' like Sklyarov who 'sell out' to them for the big bucks.
It sheds a new light on 'hero' Sklyarov that he's nothing but a mercenary for the spamming industry. So what gives?
And here I thought it was those guys at the DLC.
Can you guys come up with one defense of President Turd Bush
Which 'guys' do you refer to? Are you assuming because I think Clinton was scum, that I am a card carrying Republican Bush partisan?
The world isn't black and white, dude. Lots of dirty gray out there. Clinton is VERY dirty gray.
I mean, Clinton is THE DLC's boy, ya know. If you're one of those nutroots Kos or DU kids (as opposed to the Ldotters or Freepers, green footballers, plain old AM radio ditto freaks), you should absolutely HATE Clinton, on principle. He's almost a *shudder* Lieberman.
All a bunch of cranks, to be blunt about it.
I'm sorry but to me, a blowjob will never, ever compare to...
Why do Clinton fans always try to reduce it to 'a blow job?'
What Clinton did was lie while under oath in a case where he was identified as the serial sexual harassment predator he is. I thought after 'Clarence Thomas' that Sexual Harassment was a serious issue for the Democrats.
The fact that Clinton was soliciting blow jobs from a young White House intern (a few years older than his daughter) is symtomatic, but not a central issue in the case.
Well, anyway, your comment about Theo was slanderous.
It sounds like the 'only choice' was forced by your bosses arbitrary 'hatred' of the old NT-4 login screen, for the most part.
Better yet would be to have simply made it impossible for off-shore gambling operations to collect. The US Government could simply say that gambling debts for online gambling is null and void. People who won would collect for a few milliseconds, people who had lost would immediately stop paying anything. The online gambling industry would *pfft* disappear.
Yes, but shouldn't people really be living in dormitories, and all wearing the same basic clothing? Why the need for people to travel at all?
Because they need to appeal to their brainless goober Christian fundamentalist redneck trailer trash constituency.
You know, to any unbiased observer, your comment makes you look like a "nigger killer fingering the notches on your gun." Yes. You seem a little bit like a bigot, dude.
People weren't buying brown boxes back then, either. They were buying Apple Computer hardware.
But Jobs 'saved the company' by turning the whole business into a marketing-first operation. All happy and shiney marketing.
algore isn't the 'Green's spokesman.' In fact, he ran AGAINST the green candidate in the 2000 election.
algore is just a party hack from one of the two wings of the big stupid bird called 'the US political bird.' (Right wing labeled 'Republican' and left wing labeled 'democrat' but attached and just one big stupid bird.)