There really wasn't any. I was just asking. I was surprised that the game was being re-worked (new artwork and music and all) for the iPhone and wanted to know if an Android version was coming, too. I'm wondering (not stating... WONDERING, in case the nitwit that modded my post as flamebait is reading) if apps on the iPhone make more money than comparable apps on Android. If FF comes out on both platforms, the amount of money they both bring in is really interesting to know. If the iPhone's is higher, then that is something important for devs to know despite it being fashionable to shake our pitchforks at Apple. Unfortunately if that release is not soon, that really taints the data.
It'll be on android soon, the difference is people will probably do it themselves.
Um, no. It'll be on Android if Square ports to it or it won't happen at all.
I think they're more screwed than people know right now.
I think you're overestimating how much the masses care. People are happy to pay for apps on the iPhone. Developers will follow the money. The masses will then go "oh, neat! Actual game publishers are making games for that phone, I should get one!" Then more money is made. Then more developers go "whoah, there's money there!" And so on.
It also doesn't help that Slashdot has already cried wolf at least once with these "Apple is locking people out!" stories.
It was like 3 days ago. The updated the graphics and music, it's nice in that regard. I think the control's a little weird.. but for a Final Fantasy game that's not that important. I really wish they'd release IV, though.:D
I'm not asking to be a butthead, I'm just curious. Apple's customers pay money for their apps in a way I've never seen with Palm or Windows Mobile. I think that's why we're seeing major companies using a lot of resources to release apps on the iPhone. I'm just trying to get a sense of if the Android developers are seeing the same benefit.
Yes because the key ingredient of that whole story was that a computer could read lips. That's the one advancement that made killing all humans possible.
Every year that goes by, that scene in Galaxy Quest where Taggart tells the kid the ship is real and he goes "I KNEW IT!" gets funnier.
You have a tough battle ahead of you on this argument. The first problem is that counterfeiting isn't something that anybody does for any purpose other than to receive ill-gotten gains. It's not like somebody is, for example, using counterfeit money to wallpaper their room. They take the money and use it to steal something from somebody. The second problem is that often the money is successfully used to exchange goods. It is later discovered and is taken back out of circulation. Whoever had that money just loses it. Now they are missing money, a victim of theft. For this reason, it is very difficult to separate counterfeiting from theft. What is really lacking are cases of counterfeiting that don't result in somebody losing something. This isn't like file-copying where somebody ends up with the goods without somebody losing them.
I apologize if I'm being dim, here. I've just woken up and haven't had my required dose of coffee yet. I will be up front with you and tell you I have not read all the way up the thread. But I don't quite get why it doesn't relate.
The point was made at the beginning that counterfitting doesn't hurt anybody. But it's conceded that it lowers the value of the money. Then it's claimed that lowering the value of money isn't theft. I don't really get this one either, you're leaving people with less value than you had before. Okay, that invites the argument that somebody ripping your shirt is 'theft'. Alright. Distinguishing that is tough. But what's the point of counterfitting? It's so you can go spend money that you didn't really earn. The result? You end up with stuff and the other guy ends up losing stuff with nothing of comparable value to show for it. I do not get why that is not theft.
I took the scenic route to get here, but I figured if I'm putting my foot in my mouth by answering the wrong question at least you'll be able to tell me where I messed up.
No. The value of their currency is reduced. Nothing was stolen. It's just worth less than it was before.
I have a dumb question: If I use a fake twenty at a store, and then they turn around and take that to the bank, and the bank says "that's counterfit!"... does't that mean the store is out the $20?
You know, it's morning here as I read this, and nothing makes me giggle more than a post by someone who misread the article, followed by ten or more posts showing the incorrect math used, examples and why the post is mislead.
I haven't worked out whether it's a) Altruism - No my friend, you got this wrong, here is how you were meant to interpret the article. b) Pack mentality - No brother, you need to read it correctly, if we all read it correctly, our slashpack will become the most powerful pack on earth and we will enjoy the good life.
(It starts going downhill from here) c) Nitpicking - You silly slashdotter, you read it wrong, naaarrny naarny nar nar! d) Douchebaggery - Check it out, I am so much smarter than you, I am like a million times smarter than you, I read it correctly! Here is how it's meant to be read. Now bask in my glory!
But whatever the case, it's amusing, and I don't think there are many other sites that give me both nerd news and giggles.
I couldn't tell you. I was just reading the snippet showed above a couple of posts.
Although its easy for me to imagine that the translation is still part of the math. Given that everything seems to be mapped to a plane that's getting shifted around in space, translation is going to be a factor no matter what because the pivot that the plane rotates around moves based on where it has been scrolled to. The plane has to be translated in order for the pivot to appear to be at he center of the screen when it rotates.
I think I misspoke earlier about it centering on the text. When I watch it do it, the pivot seems to change... but that might be because it's also scaling. I dunno if I'm making sense so I'll simplify: I was wrong.:D
There have been touch screens but how many of them automatically changed based on rotation?
The iPhone doesn't just rotate the screen, it also uses translation and scale to focus the text on the screen to try to strike a balance between "make the text big" and "don't crop out the bit you're trying to look at". It uses rules based on text is in the display and presuambly that's what they patented.
So your prior art example would have to do more than "flip the x and y dimensions and crop".
The iPhone display tries to fit what you're looking at on the screen. If you double tap on a webpage, for example, it looks at the region the text is in (based on clues in the HTML, like tables..), centers it (translation), and zooms it. I'm not certain of re-orientation factors translation into it, but given how much effort the display goes through to try to keep you on what you're looking at, I wouldn't be surprised if translation was part of the equatino.
Besides displays do not translate anything. They show or display things
Oh brother. Translation, rotation, and scale are terms used to describe movement of an element in space. And yes, the iPhone display does this. All three are used to reorient the display when the phone's relation to 'down' is changed. So, yes, Apple's display 'translates' things.
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I really fail to see significance here.
There really wasn't any. I was just asking. I was surprised that the game was being re-worked (new artwork and music and all) for the iPhone and wanted to know if an Android version was coming, too. I'm wondering (not stating... WONDERING, in case the nitwit that modded my post as flamebait is reading) if apps on the iPhone make more money than comparable apps on Android. If FF comes out on both platforms, the amount of money they both bring in is really interesting to know. If the iPhone's is higher, then that is something important for devs to know despite it being fashionable to shake our pitchforks at Apple. Unfortunately if that release is not soon, that really taints the data.
It'll be on android soon, the difference is people will probably do it themselves.
Um, no. It'll be on Android if Square ports to it or it won't happen at all.
I think they're more screwed than people know right now.
I think you're overestimating how much the masses care. People are happy to pay for apps on the iPhone. Developers will follow the money. The masses will then go "oh, neat! Actual game publishers are making games for that phone, I should get one!" Then more money is made. Then more developers go "whoah, there's money there!" And so on.
It also doesn't help that Slashdot has already cried wolf at least once with these "Apple is locking people out!" stories.
It was like 3 days ago. The updated the graphics and music, it's nice in that regard. I think the control's a little weird.. but for a Final Fantasy game that's not that important. I really wish they'd release IV, though. :D
Yes, I have it right now.
I'm not asking to be a butthead, I'm just curious. Apple's customers pay money for their apps in a way I've never seen with Palm or Windows Mobile. I think that's why we're seeing major companies using a lot of resources to release apps on the iPhone. I'm just trying to get a sense of if the Android developers are seeing the same benefit.
Final Fantasy on the iPhone != NES Final Fantasy.
Ah yes, greater variety in fart generator applications is really high on my list of features I want from a phone.
Out of curiosity, did Final Fantasy make it to Android?
This is one of those times I wish the mod system rewarded 'yo mama' jokes.
Yes because the key ingredient of that whole story was that a computer could read lips. That's the one advancement that made killing all humans possible.
Every year that goes by, that scene in Galaxy Quest where Taggart tells the kid the ship is real and he goes "I KNEW IT!" gets funnier.
Ah. I get you now.
You have a tough battle ahead of you on this argument. The first problem is that counterfeiting isn't something that anybody does for any purpose other than to receive ill-gotten gains. It's not like somebody is, for example, using counterfeit money to wallpaper their room. They take the money and use it to steal something from somebody. The second problem is that often the money is successfully used to exchange goods. It is later discovered and is taken back out of circulation. Whoever had that money just loses it. Now they are missing money, a victim of theft. For this reason, it is very difficult to separate counterfeiting from theft. What is really lacking are cases of counterfeiting that don't result in somebody losing something. This isn't like file-copying where somebody ends up with the goods without somebody losing them.
Good luck.
If you encrypt a drive and refuse to hand over the key, isn't that nearly as bad?
I apologize if I'm being dim, here. I've just woken up and haven't had my required dose of coffee yet. I will be up front with you and tell you I have not read all the way up the thread. But I don't quite get why it doesn't relate.
The point was made at the beginning that counterfitting doesn't hurt anybody. But it's conceded that it lowers the value of the money. Then it's claimed that lowering the value of money isn't theft. I don't really get this one either, you're leaving people with less value than you had before. Okay, that invites the argument that somebody ripping your shirt is 'theft'. Alright. Distinguishing that is tough. But what's the point of counterfitting? It's so you can go spend money that you didn't really earn. The result? You end up with stuff and the other guy ends up losing stuff with nothing of comparable value to show for it. I do not get why that is not theft.
I took the scenic route to get here, but I figured if I'm putting my foot in my mouth by answering the wrong question at least you'll be able to tell me where I messed up.
If a store takes your fake twenty and you walk away with a product, that store cannot re-spend that twenty. The store has lost a product. Theft.
No. The value of their currency is reduced. Nothing was stolen. It's just worth less than it was before.
I have a dumb question: If I use a fake twenty at a store, and then they turn around and take that to the bank, and the bank says "that's counterfit!"... does't that mean the store is out the $20?
No, that he'd draw attention to the obvious fanboy (biased) mod and someone would fix it (and that happened).
It was a taunt.
He has a point because you can't equate "general distaste" to "hate" without seriously embellishing on what the GP wrote.
That is a fine rebuttal to something I never said that curiously omits what I did say.
How did you go from "general distaste" to "hate"?
Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.
Was it your expectation that you wouldn't get some sort of reply from that? That it'd shut him up?
Thanks for the trollmod, fanboy.
Hate begets fanboyism.
Having read Slashdot since its first year, I'm pretty sure it's mostly (c) and (d).
People talk about Slashdot's signal to noise ratio being low. I don't think they're counting the c and d posts you're referring to.
How about you go 5 seconds without having mindless drivel streamed into your fucking brain?
I would if you'd post anonymously!
You know, it's morning here as I read this, and nothing makes me giggle more than a post by someone who misread the article, followed by ten or more posts showing the incorrect math used, examples and why the post is mislead.
I haven't worked out whether it's
a) Altruism - No my friend, you got this wrong, here is how you were meant to interpret the article.
b) Pack mentality - No brother, you need to read it correctly, if we all read it correctly, our slashpack will become the most powerful pack on earth and we will enjoy the good life.
(It starts going downhill from here)
c) Nitpicking - You silly slashdotter, you read it wrong, naaarrny naarny nar nar!
d) Douchebaggery - Check it out, I am so much smarter than you, I am like a million times smarter than you, I read it correctly! Here is how it's meant to be read. Now bask in my glory!
But whatever the case, it's amusing, and I don't think there are many other sites that give me both nerd news and giggles.
This really should be in the Slashdot FAQ.
To me? No, not really. But I could end up eating my words by their next game release.
As long as many more people want to be game developers than can be, most game developers are considered very, very replaceable.
If it takes more than filling a chair to be a game developer, they're not so replacable.
I couldn't tell you. I was just reading the snippet showed above a couple of posts.
Although its easy for me to imagine that the translation is still part of the math. Given that everything seems to be mapped to a plane that's getting shifted around in space, translation is going to be a factor no matter what because the pivot that the plane rotates around moves based on where it has been scrolled to. The plane has to be translated in order for the pivot to appear to be at he center of the screen when it rotates.
I think I misspoke earlier about it centering on the text. When I watch it do it, the pivot seems to change... but that might be because it's also scaling. I dunno if I'm making sense so I'll simplify: I was wrong. :D
There have been touch screens but how many of them automatically changed based on rotation?
The iPhone doesn't just rotate the screen, it also uses translation and scale to focus the text on the screen to try to strike a balance between "make the text big" and "don't crop out the bit you're trying to look at". It uses rules based on text is in the display and presuambly that's what they patented.
So your prior art example would have to do more than "flip the x and y dimensions and crop".
The iPhone display tries to fit what you're looking at on the screen. If you double tap on a webpage, for example, it looks at the region the text is in (based on clues in the HTML, like tables..), centers it (translation), and zooms it. I'm not certain of re-orientation factors translation into it, but given how much effort the display goes through to try to keep you on what you're looking at, I wouldn't be surprised if translation was part of the equatino.
Besides displays do not translate anything. They show or display things
Oh brother. Translation, rotation, and scale are terms used to describe movement of an element in space. And yes, the iPhone display does this. All three are used to reorient the display when the phone's relation to 'down' is changed. So, yes, Apple's display 'translates' things.
So does this mean atomic clocks aren't accurate anymore? Buahah glad I didn't purchase stock!!