You should take a moment to re-read my posts and notice that I wasn't defending Apple. What I did say, and you're unintentionally proving, is that you don't give a shit about the workers unless you can make Apple look bad in the process.
Maybe you shouldn't throw the term 'fanboy' around.
I hate to spoil your privileged life, but that you have ignored this problem until your iDol got attention is not the rest of the world's problem.
In other words: Nobody knows that a particular company uses sweat shops until noise is made about them specifically. By fixating on Apple, nobody is made aware that there are over a dozen other companies using those mistreated workers as well.
But I thought Apple told us they made it all right and everything is good at Foxconn.
You know when you guys fixated solely on Apple's products being made there and you claimed that you were doing it for the good of the workers by picking on the 'biggest offender', then you were quiet about every single other manufcaturer there that was abusing the workers? This is the result. If you guys didn't just feed your hatred of Apple, the heat could have been kept turned up on Foxconn and more improvements would have been made. Perhaps we wouldn't have even seen this riot.
Makes me wonder how much any of the products that pass through there would cost to manufacture in the U.S. I wonder how automated the production line could be.
If they don't they Apple are hypocrites, and that's not cool.
Apple is a big hypocrite over this, you didn't need that extreme and... bizarre rationale... to prove it. I mean, really, it's not like the swiss clock is another tablet. Apple either changes the design or pays a few bucks for it. You can do that with graphics, but not tablet casings.
Finds it ridiculous that you can patent a red dot?
They did not patent a red dot. Go look up images of it, they have their own clock face, Apple closely copied it. I don't mean Apple made a red dot, I mean if you take a close look you could come up with a pretty sizable list of what's similar, but not a long list of what's different between the two designs.
I say throw out ALL patents.
I say educate yourself a bit before you go to such an extreme.
So they update from apple and it suddenly is the carriers problem....
Uh.. yeah, let's talk about this for a sec. The iOS6 update caused my wife's phone to indicate that it was on wi-fi when it was not. She went to re-download her apps and, before long, she got a text from AT&T saying her data for the month was nearly used up and that they were going to add a $15 charge to the bill if she kept going.
So is this Apple's fault? Absolutely. So that means that AT&T is absolved of any responsibility, right? Nope. You see, I asked AT&T to put a limit on her data. I mean, face it, there's no real way to know when that phone is using cellular or wifi data. (Especially when the icon is on.... I swear Apple didn't test this update before they sent it out.) At least if the phone did malfunction or if she just went dippy and went on a data spree, I could keep the damage minimal and not even have to phone AT&T about it. I was told "Nope, we can't do that". I pointed out that when I had an iPad on their data plan, once it hit the limit it would just stop sending data and it would wait until I okayed an extra charge. She just told me no. There's no reason why a smartphone couldn't be treated the same way, this is obviously a policy decision and not for some technical reason. They couldn't even tell me how much data she had used, said that they'd know in a day or two... but for some reason, with my iPad, they can. Huh.
Apple definitely shares in some of the responsibility with the iOS problems, it really does feel like they didn't test this one nearly as well as any of their other updates. But don't you DARE pretend as though Apple or defective customers are the sole source of your problems. AT&T has the worst data plans available and their policies are intended only to help their bottom line and are NOT there, in any way, to help their customers. Seriously, it's like they hope I screw up every so often so they can tack on twenty dollars to my bill. My phone went rogue and as a 'courtesy' they decided to hold on a charge. A courtesy. They didn't want to listen to me for details about the problem. (You should be happy, I wanted to give them a heads up so you could do something about all the escalations you've gotten today. The numpty on the phone and the driftwood on the other end of the email conversation didn't care or even want to talk about it.) They didn't even want to set up the plan so that if another 'rogue phone' glitch happened again that it wouldn't cause harm for either myself or for AT&T.
Apple may say 'fuck you' to you, but how many times do you think people have shouted at them because of AT&T?
I took 40 escalations today over I)S 6...
When I first emailed about my wife's phone the response I got was: "If you're worried about using up data, just turn off ceullar data on your phone!" A few months ago when I emailed to find out what speed my unlimited plan will be throttled down to past the 3 gig mark, the guy told me to run the phone out of data then use SpeedTest to find out. You'll pardon me for not believing that all 40 of your escalations had anything at all to do with Apple shitty iOS release.
And lets not forget that most updates to iTunes force you to update the iPhone software to work correctly.
My phone hasn't talked to iTunes in almost a year. That was the last time I updated iTunes. Looks like G-Drones have trouble staying up to date with both OS updates and information on how the competition works.
Yes, because comparing the release of Jelly Bean on a multitude of manufacturer, carrier, and hardware platforms is an entirely reasonable comparison to the release of an iOS locked to specific hardware, from one manufacturer.
Umm.. that doesn't actually put Android in a particularly good light. Even a Windows upgrade would smoke Android in this metric.
Why even bother to post that? iOS device users DO NOT read reviews of anything ever.
Well, since we're painting stupid caricatures of large groups of people: Android Fans don't actually like their phones, they just want not-Apple devices. And the high adoption rate is because of their legendary hatred born from seeing a guy with a better haircut than them saying he loves his phone, lol
That's a pretty rapid pace, eclipsing Android Jelly Bean's 2-month adoption levels of 1.2% easily
To be fair, that's not due to lack of interest. That's due to companies like Samsung who don't step on the gas to keep these devices up to date. Just a month ago I finally got ICS on my Tab.
I just wanted to say that I am really surprised, but happy, at how much interest the last shuttle flight has caused. I thought this nation had forgotten about space exploration, but apparently I was wrong. It's nice to have a little bit of my faith in the future of this country restored.
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You do nothing but defend Apple
Oh, really? Heh.
in this case by trying to deflect attention away from your iDol
Meanwhile... The only workers that have seen any sort of relief at Foxconn are the ones working on iDevices. Again, nice rebuttal.
You should take a moment to re-read my posts and notice that I wasn't defending Apple. What I did say, and you're unintentionally proving, is that you don't give a shit about the workers unless you can make Apple look bad in the process.
Maybe you shouldn't throw the term 'fanboy' around.
I hate to spoil your privileged life, but that you have ignored this problem until your iDol got attention is not the rest of the world's problem.
In other words: Nobody knows that a particular company uses sweat shops until noise is made about them specifically. By fixating on Apple, nobody is made aware that there are over a dozen other companies using those mistreated workers as well.
Yeah, nice rebuttal.
But I thought Apple told us they made it all right and everything is good at Foxconn.
You know when you guys fixated solely on Apple's products being made there and you claimed that you were doing it for the good of the workers by picking on the 'biggest offender', then you were quiet about every single other manufcaturer there that was abusing the workers? This is the result. If you guys didn't just feed your hatred of Apple, the heat could have been kept turned up on Foxconn and more improvements would have been made. Perhaps we wouldn't have even seen this riot.
Makes me wonder how much any of the products that pass through there would cost to manufacture in the U.S. I wonder how automated the production line could be.
FTFY.
If they don't they Apple are hypocrites, and that's not cool.
Apple is a big hypocrite over this, you didn't need that extreme and... bizarre rationale... to prove it. I mean, really, it's not like the swiss clock is another tablet. Apple either changes the design or pays a few bucks for it. You can do that with graphics, but not tablet casings.
Finds it ridiculous that you can patent a red dot?
They did not patent a red dot. Go look up images of it, they have their own clock face, Apple closely copied it. I don't mean Apple made a red dot, I mean if you take a close look you could come up with a pretty sizable list of what's similar, but not a long list of what's different between the two designs.
I say throw out ALL patents.
I say educate yourself a bit before you go to such an extreme.
So, it's a 50 year old watch face design, Apple will just license it. Apparently they thought it was open domain.
Let's suppose they did: Don't you think they picked the wrong time to utterly duplicate somebody else's work?
No, it does not. She just needed to make room.
That phone wasn't around when Android overtook iPhone.
Google's products are still not Apple's responsibility. The SEP field is strong today.
Product planning? Google knew when the contract was up.
So they update from apple and it suddenly is the carriers problem....
Uh.. yeah, let's talk about this for a sec. The iOS6 update caused my wife's phone to indicate that it was on wi-fi when it was not. She went to re-download her apps and, before long, she got a text from AT&T saying her data for the month was nearly used up and that they were going to add a $15 charge to the bill if she kept going.
So is this Apple's fault? Absolutely. So that means that AT&T is absolved of any responsibility, right? Nope. You see, I asked AT&T to put a limit on her data. I mean, face it, there's no real way to know when that phone is using cellular or wifi data. (Especially when the icon is on.... I swear Apple didn't test this update before they sent it out.) At least if the phone did malfunction or if she just went dippy and went on a data spree, I could keep the damage minimal and not even have to phone AT&T about it. I was told "Nope, we can't do that". I pointed out that when I had an iPad on their data plan, once it hit the limit it would just stop sending data and it would wait until I okayed an extra charge. She just told me no. There's no reason why a smartphone couldn't be treated the same way, this is obviously a policy decision and not for some technical reason. They couldn't even tell me how much data she had used, said that they'd know in a day or two... but for some reason, with my iPad, they can. Huh.
Apple definitely shares in some of the responsibility with the iOS problems, it really does feel like they didn't test this one nearly as well as any of their other updates. But don't you DARE pretend as though Apple or defective customers are the sole source of your problems. AT&T has the worst data plans available and their policies are intended only to help their bottom line and are NOT there, in any way, to help their customers. Seriously, it's like they hope I screw up every so often so they can tack on twenty dollars to my bill. My phone went rogue and as a 'courtesy' they decided to hold on a charge. A courtesy. They didn't want to listen to me for details about the problem. (You should be happy, I wanted to give them a heads up so you could do something about all the escalations you've gotten today. The numpty on the phone and the driftwood on the other end of the email conversation didn't care or even want to talk about it.) They didn't even want to set up the plan so that if another 'rogue phone' glitch happened again that it wouldn't cause harm for either myself or for AT&T.
Apple may say 'fuck you' to you, but how many times do you think people have shouted at them because of AT&T?
I took 40 escalations today over I)S 6...
When I first emailed about my wife's phone the response I got was: "If you're worried about using up data, just turn off ceullar data on your phone!" A few months ago when I emailed to find out what speed my unlimited plan will be throttled down to past the 3 gig mark, the guy told me to run the phone out of data then use SpeedTest to find out. You'll pardon me for not believing that all 40 of your escalations had anything at all to do with Apple shitty iOS release.
And lets not forget that most updates to iTunes force you to update the iPhone software to work correctly.
My phone hasn't talked to iTunes in almost a year. That was the last time I updated iTunes. Looks like G-Drones have trouble staying up to date with both OS updates and information on how the competition works.
Yes, because comparing the release of Jelly Bean on a multitude of manufacturer, carrier, and hardware platforms is an entirely reasonable comparison to the release of an iOS locked to specific hardware, from one manufacturer.
Umm.. that doesn't actually put Android in a particularly good light. Even a Windows upgrade would smoke Android in this metric.
Why even bother to post that? iOS device users DO NOT read reviews of anything ever.
Well, since we're painting stupid caricatures of large groups of people: Android Fans don't actually like their phones, they just want not-Apple devices. And the high adoption rate is because of their legendary hatred born from seeing a guy with a better haircut than them saying he loves his phone, lol
That's a pretty rapid pace, eclipsing Android Jelly Bean's 2-month adoption levels of 1.2% easily
To be fair, that's not due to lack of interest. That's due to companies like Samsung who don't step on the gas to keep these devices up to date. Just a month ago I finally got ICS on my Tab.
Formats and software go hand in hand. I seriously cannot believe that anybody working with Office doesn't run into this.
If I ran the country (and I really think I should), government would be required to use an open format if one exists.
That only works if the OSS in question doesn't suck. Good luck with that.
I just wanted to say that I am really surprised, but happy, at how much interest the last shuttle flight has caused. I thought this nation had forgotten about space exploration, but apparently I was wrong. It's nice to have a little bit of my faith in the future of this country restored.
I think I get what you're saying, but I had to set Babelfish to 'youtube' to get a decent translation
You are implying that the average user knows or cares how much information is gathered.
They know what they're giving Facebook so... yeah they haveta trust them to a point, no matter how ignorant they are.
Scoff if you want, but he's right. Facebook wouldn't have the massive gold-mine of personal data that it does if everybody was skeptical of it.
Yeah, they haven't gotten caught yet
Heh. Well, technically speaking, doesn't that mean that they really can claim it then?
(I apologize in advance if that's a whosh.)