But this kind of raises an interesting question. When a company operates accross many countries, which country's law do they uphold?
The thing here is that it depends on the customer's country laws ! Some country laws will tell you that you're subject to the laws of the country of the company you're buying to; some other country laws will force you to comply to their regulation to be able to sell your products.
As an example I would take the case of a web contest that would be held on a UK web site might be forbidden in France because they do not have the same laws. I saw it with one of my client who had web sites all over Europe: the contest was ok for all countries except for France... and modifying the rules would have allowed the contest to enter France but would have blocked it in other countries.
That's where the nightmare is: every state will tell you "Obey the Law !" but if you obey to the law in a country you will violate the law in another, or violate the laws of equality of the market in Europe.
This said, I don't think that the main motivation for Apple to keep "their" songs secure is the reduction of iPod sales. I would consider the ITMS as an addition to the iPod accessories and certainly not the opposite. iPod was there long before the ITMS and the success was already huge.
Absolutely, there is a point that most people are missing here: Apple has no monopoly in MP3 market, you can buy your MP3 elsewhere or buy the CD and rip them to put them on your MP3 player.
It's not like you don't have any other choice, there are other choices by opposition to the Microsoft problem with Internet Explorer where you don't have any other choice but to use it as it is a part of Windows.
Apple has a file format compatible between their software and their hardware who can blame them for that ? You can play other file format on the iPod so you're not forced to buy songs at Apple to use it and if you don't like the file format don't buy at ITMS.
I live in Belgium and we have ID cards, the only thing about it is that it is a pain to have to go to the city administration to renew it from time to time.
Beside of that you always have it with you, it's mandatory since the age of 16 and you just don't ask yourself if it's good or bad.
Seriously, I was amazed when I realized some countries were not having ID cards when I discovered it some years ago.
I think it has some real good points: first of all we don't need passport to travel in a lot of countries that just accept our ID card. There is no question to know if we have anything with us to act as ID card as we always have one. Id cards are used to retrieve packages at post office, make changes at your bank account etc... : it is far less easier to pretend you're someone else.
I know it might sound weird to people like US citizen (I already discussed this with US folks) but ID cards are more a protection of your identity than a way to trace you.
We're now getting some new cards more like a credit card with a chip where can be stored some health information like your blood type, etc the idea being to use it more and more as a "universal card" for lots of services.
And just for the joke, teenagers love to take it out in bars to prove they're 16 and are therefore allowed to drink beer;)
Postgres used to be superior to MySQL in many ways two versions ago.
It was much stronger and faster and it used to allow you some actions that were imossible with MySQL like DELETE in multiple base at once. But Postgres also had some problems like the impossibility to alter a DB once it had been created, forcing you to re-create a DB if a minor modification was needed.
Now MySQL has evolved a lot and is basicaly at the same level but indeed with a lot more support.
Still the point is that you can't get a Dell workstation without OS preinstalled. That's one of the reason why the EU received so many complains about Microsoft and their violation of the Anti-Trust laws: by their position, they're just forcing companies to use their OS, and this is just based on : "Hey guys you know you can't do anything without us."
This is not a question of "Real" or "Not real" IT department. That statement in itself is already saying that if you use Apple you're not really doing IT and is already, excuse me... wrong.
"IT" does not mean "Windows" nor "Beautiful is not useful" nor "bad user experience makes high profits", as I said to a customer some times ago "It's because it's look like MS 2000 that it is more professional".
Of course, a lot of IT workers still think that way and those ideas are hard to remove from their head but this is not about a kid argue about "My OS is better than yours"... it's about money.
Choice 1: 2 machines for my employees or one ? Well one will cost less than 2.
Choice 2: what machine ? Which one can operate both OS ? Well only one can do it.
I think you got the answer.
As usual the need for a Mac or another machine will only depends on the business you're in but now more businesses can use Macs, that's as simple as that.
Still on my experience, I could do everything on my mac except a few applications: MS projects, Tridion (CMS), Emagic (CMS) and that's about it; but I need a Mac to be able to work on some graphical issues and to do my testing... bootcamps gives me the solution.
This isn't about Apple "switching to Windows" or becoming yet another Windows PC manufacturer. In fact, it's the furthest thing from it.
Indeed, in my experience this is a big move inside the office market. In my company, what has been said is this: "Once it is possible to dual boot OS X and Windows on a Mac, you'll have the choice to have one or the other".
I'm Project Manager and I'm a Mac fan but I had to admit I could not do my job fully on a Mac, now for the rare occasion I need an MS specific software I will just have to reboot.
So no it's not switching to Windows, it's bringing more people on Apple hardware... to bring them on Apple hardware AND software.
We're talking here about the trial, not just about the company and in this case people are indeed seing MS as the devil. The trial is well covered by the medias and the image given by the medias is that MS is "The Devil"
And sorry for the bad spelling... some people speak another language than English.
Microsoft still has to understand that EU is not a vulgar copy of the US.
A lot of Americans, and visibly not only the average citizen, still thinks that we in Europe are trying to build a European copy of the US with the same economical model and its influence on the politic. How can they be so wrong...
Let's take a simple example, in US if you say you're a socialist people will look at you like you have some strange disease while in Europe half od the countries are actualy lead by goverments where the Socialists have the majority.
With that in mind, you are probably more prepared to understand that Microsoft is seen as "The Devil" by lots of the EU citizens and therefore by a lot of the guys they've elected to represent them at the European parliament.
Combine this with the actual image that people in Europe have in mind when you're talking about the US administration and you'll probably have a clearer picture of how people will react to this in Europe. And by people I mean the peoples and their deputies...
EU will just see this as one more attempt from the US administration to influence the EU domestical affairs; and seriously, peolple are just fed up with this attitude.
PS: note I'm not blaiming "America", or "US"... only US administration, and Microsoft but I don't have to specify that;)
Every time Apple is making a product that's bad, lame, stupid, etc... I got used to it. Whatever anybody can say it will always be like that, as I said I don't care anymore.
But seriously, this all debate is once more about having to pay for music, since the Napster, people feel that they don't have to pay for music anymore and it's a shame.
What do you people think, that those artist are there just to divert you and that you can use whatever they make as you wish ? Oh right it's the "open source" state of mind, it's digital so it enters the open source field and we don't have to pay for it...
Just a reminder, the open source is based on the fact that people are sharing their knowledge to build software (or OS,...) and because everyone can work on it, everyone can use it. But music is not an open-source projects, it's the hard work of some one and you just don't have to right to claim it's free just because it is easy to get it for for free.
ITMS is has brought the music prices to the lowest level ever so far, it has helped us music fans to get rid of all the taxes that was put on the cd's and other support. In my country a CD was more than 20 to 25 $, that was not normal because it was overpriced. But with the ITMS, the price is fair and we should not forget that as we should not forget that the artist has the right to get paid for his work.
You claim for your liberty when you talk about the format, well it's a protection for the artist (please skip the the "no it's the bad big industry, not the artists" it's so 16 years old)... As we said here: "your liberty ends where my liberty begins" -> your liberty with the songs stops where the artists liberty begins.
And just as a remark: "the format will be obsolete in 5 years", well maybe, maybe not, but maybe just as all format in music become obsolete at a time (LP,... CD) and they did not offered you more possibility to change format without loss of quality.
Sure Woz has been an actor on Apple first success, sure the Apple II is "his" baby, sure it was a cool little computer but I think he're missing a component to be top player.
Look at apple history. Apple re-birth is not the iPod but it starts with iMac and that makes a huge difference.
Why ? Because if it was: a success for Steve Jobs than nothing than the iPod it could some kind of luck. But it's not: it's the early Apple success, it's Next, it's the iMac, Mac OS X, the iPod, the ITMS... Steve jobs is the guy of all those ideas and that make a world of difference, he's not lucky... he's just brilliant.
Of course there are not all "his" ideas, there are hundreds of guys around him having the ideas, but he's selecting the ones he likes and he's good at it. And that is what make some guys a top manager and a world class busines man.
As it has been said upper,/. is maybe not the best place to say all these, but hey everone got his place: be the enginer that will build a top computer or be the one that will sell it to the world.
One will be in the shadow and the other not, but can you blame the guy in the spotlights ?
Yes it's true the pref pane is quiting when closing and it's a Mac app, and yes I have to admit I have never really seen pref pane as an app in itslef. But I just made my all list of applications and beside the pref pane, I found photo booth and that's about it, beside I know that Neo Office is also "quit on close" and I have more than 70 applications on my Mac (apple ones, open source ones, bought ones and nearly bought ones;) ).
What I mean is that Mac OS X has some imperfections, that can't be denied but this one is probably the last to come to my mind.;)
imho, application developers are to blamed here. Standard for Mac OS (Whatever the version) is that you have to "Apple + Q" to quit an app and not vlose the windows. In all the time I have been using Macs, the only apps that had this "Problem" were mostly coming from the open source world.
I'm a proud owner of a new 20" iMac and seriously, even if it's "cool" they did launch a linux on it, "Just for the fun of it"... this has no real interrest in term of usage.
I4m not a big fan of this kinf of war between mac owners and the rest of the world. But I have Mac's for years and I work on PC (win and Linux) every day, and I still prefer the Mac, reasons are obvious for me but hey, I might be wrong;)
I agree most of the "artist" complaining about illegal copy are the ones that never tour.
I'm not a big fan of illegal copy because I feel that if I like a song or a singer, well i'm supportinh him by buying his music. And if I can I'll go and see him live.
I don't care spending 99 cent for a record on iTunes, helps the artist nd give a lil money to Steve;D
But hey, if I have to make some stupid CD for a party or something with Britney and Co music or ChiPs theme, I will download that's for sure;)
If you are a "fresh" imigrant in a country, then culture might be a choice in a certain way.
Of course you will live and teach your children values in relation with your original culture but you can make the choice to educate your childrens (and yourself) to the culture of the country you're coming in.
That's what people generaly call "becoming american".
Obviously, his parents decided to grow their familly the american way and drop the main part of their Eastern European history, that's where the choice is.
Now I agree with you that the time will format everyone to the culture opf the place you live in but think about this: American history has been marked by some groups coming from the same area right ? So who has changed : the Irish or the American culture ? The Itlaian or the American's culture ?
Both of course and that's where the choice matter, if people weren't having the choice then an external culture would not affect American culture: they try so much to preserve it that it is finaly assimilated in the American culture. (or at least bits of it)
You can learn a language playing MMORPG, the only thing you must remember is you can't learn a language only by playing a MMORPG.
I'm French speaking and I have played different MMORPG and yes it helped me in my learning because you do have the opportunity to speak with people.
Beside, some guilds/pledges etc do not accept people chatting with a bad grammar or typos.
There is alos teamspeak and ventrilo usage that is quite good for your English.
What are the exercices you're doing at school ? Reading, writing, listening and speaking. That's what you do when you play on a foreign language server, but you have to be smart enough to combine it with some more conventional learning.
After all, if you try to learn English with music or movies, you'll have the same problem.
One more thing, I have played Lineage 1 and 2 on US servers for years... and I've never been a gold farmer;)
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But this kind of raises an interesting question. When a company operates accross many countries, which country's law do they uphold? ... and modifying the rules would have allowed the contest to enter France but would have blocked it in other countries.
The thing here is that it depends on the customer's country laws ! Some country laws will tell you that you're subject to the laws of the country of the company you're buying to; some other country laws will force you to comply to their regulation to be able to sell your products.
As an example I would take the case of a web contest that would be held on a UK web site might be forbidden in France because they do not have the same laws. I saw it with one of my client who had web sites all over Europe: the contest was ok for all countries except for France
That's where the nightmare is: every state will tell you "Obey the Law !" but if you obey to the law in a country you will violate the law in another, or violate the laws of equality of the market in Europe.
This said, I don't think that the main motivation for Apple to keep "their" songs secure is the reduction of iPod sales. I would consider the ITMS as an addition to the iPod accessories and certainly not the opposite. iPod was there long before the ITMS and the success was already huge.
Absolutely, there is a point that most people are missing here: Apple has no monopoly in MP3 market, you can buy your MP3 elsewhere or buy the CD and rip them to put them on your MP3 player.
It's not like you don't have any other choice, there are other choices by opposition to the Microsoft problem with Internet Explorer where you don't have any other choice but to use it as it is a part of Windows.
Apple has a file format compatible between their software and their hardware who can blame them for that ? You can play other file format on the iPod so you're not forced to buy songs at Apple to use it and if you don't like the file format don't buy at ITMS.
I live in Belgium and we have ID cards, the only thing about it is that it is a pain to have to go to the city administration to renew it from time to time.
... : it is far less easier to pretend you're someone else.
;)
Beside of that you always have it with you, it's mandatory since the age of 16 and you just don't ask yourself if it's good or bad.
Seriously, I was amazed when I realized some countries were not having ID cards when I discovered it some years ago.
I think it has some real good points: first of all we don't need passport to travel in a lot of countries that just accept our ID card. There is no question to know if we have anything with us to act as ID card as we always have one. Id cards are used to retrieve packages at post office, make changes at your bank account etc
I know it might sound weird to people like US citizen (I already discussed this with US folks) but ID cards are more a protection of your identity than a way to trace you.
We're now getting some new cards more like a credit card with a chip where can be stored some health information like your blood type, etc the idea being to use it more and more as a "universal card" for lots of services.
And just for the joke, teenagers love to take it out in bars to prove they're 16 and are therefore allowed to drink beer
Postgres used to be superior to MySQL in many ways two versions ago. It was much stronger and faster and it used to allow you some actions that were imossible with MySQL like DELETE in multiple base at once. But Postgres also had some problems like the impossibility to alter a DB once it had been created, forcing you to re-create a DB if a minor modification was needed. Now MySQL has evolved a lot and is basicaly at the same level but indeed with a lot more support.
Still the point is that you can't get a Dell workstation without OS preinstalled. That's one of the reason why the EU received so many complains about Microsoft and their violation of the Anti-Trust laws: by their position, they're just forcing companies to use their OS, and this is just based on : "Hey guys you know you can't do anything without us."
This is not a question of "Real" or "Not real" IT department. That statement in itself is already saying that if you use Apple you're not really doing IT and is already, excuse me ... wrong.
... it's about money.
... bootcamps gives me the solution.
"IT" does not mean "Windows" nor "Beautiful is not useful" nor "bad user experience makes high profits", as I said to a customer some times ago "It's because it's look like MS 2000 that it is more professional".
Of course, a lot of IT workers still think that way and those ideas are hard to remove from their head but this is not about a kid argue about "My OS is better than yours"
Choice 1: 2 machines for my employees or one ? Well one will cost less than 2.
Choice 2: what machine ? Which one can operate both OS ? Well only one can do it.
I think you got the answer. As usual the need for a Mac or another machine will only depends on the business you're in but now more businesses can use Macs, that's as simple as that.
Still on my experience, I could do everything on my mac except a few applications: MS projects, Tridion (CMS), Emagic (CMS) and that's about it; but I need a Mac to be able to work on some graphical issues and to do my testing
This isn't about Apple "switching to Windows" or becoming yet another Windows PC manufacturer. In fact, it's the furthest thing from it.
... to bring them on Apple hardware AND software.
Indeed, in my experience this is a big move inside the office market. In my company, what has been said is this: "Once it is possible to dual boot OS X and Windows on a Mac, you'll have the choice to have one or the other".
I'm Project Manager and I'm a Mac fan but I had to admit I could not do my job fully on a Mac, now for the rare occasion I need an MS specific software I will just have to reboot.
So no it's not switching to Windows, it's bringing more people on Apple hardware
Skynet is the name of the most important internet provider in Belgium, part of the Belgacom company which is the former national phone company.
We're talking here about the trial, not just about the company and in this case people are indeed seing MS as the devil. The trial is well covered by the medias and the image given by the medias is that MS is "The Devil"
... some people speak another language than English.
And sorry for the bad spelling
Microsoft still has to understand that EU is not a vulgar copy of the US.
...
...
... only US administration, and Microsoft but I don't have to specify that ;)
A lot of Americans, and visibly not only the average citizen, still thinks that we in Europe are trying to build a European copy of the US with the same economical model and its influence on the politic. How can they be so wrong
Let's take a simple example, in US if you say you're a socialist people will look at you like you have some strange disease while in Europe half od the countries are actualy lead by goverments where the Socialists have the majority.
With that in mind, you are probably more prepared to understand that Microsoft is seen as "The Devil" by lots of the EU citizens and therefore by a lot of the guys they've elected to represent them at the European parliament.
Combine this with the actual image that people in Europe have in mind when you're talking about the US administration and you'll probably have a clearer picture of how people will react to this in Europe. And by people I mean the peoples and their deputies
EU will just see this as one more attempt from the US administration to influence the EU domestical affairs; and seriously, peolple are just fed up with this attitude.
PS: note I'm not blaiming "America", or "US"
that would be a huge improvement for MS to have so few bugs in a release !
Every time Apple is making a product that's bad, lame, stupid, etc ... I got used to it. Whatever anybody can say it will always be like that, as I said I don't care anymore.
... ...) and because everyone can work on it, everyone can use it. But music is not an open-source projects, it's the hard work of some one and you just don't have to right to claim it's free just because it is easy to get it for for free.
... As we said here: "your liberty ends where my liberty begins" -> your liberty with the songs stops where the artists liberty begins.
... CD) and they did not offered you more possibility to change format without loss of quality.
But seriously, this all debate is once more about having to pay for music, since the Napster, people feel that they don't have to pay for music anymore and it's a shame.
What do you people think, that those artist are there just to divert you and that you can use whatever they make as you wish ? Oh right it's the "open source" state of mind, it's digital so it enters the open source field and we don't have to pay for it
Just a reminder, the open source is based on the fact that people are sharing their knowledge to build software (or OS,
ITMS is has brought the music prices to the lowest level ever so far, it has helped us music fans to get rid of all the taxes that was put on the cd's and other support. In my country a CD was more than 20 to 25 $, that was not normal because it was overpriced. But with the ITMS, the price is fair and we should not forget that as we should not forget that the artist has the right to get paid for his work.
You claim for your liberty when you talk about the format, well it's a protection for the artist (please skip the the "no it's the bad big industry, not the artists" it's so 16 years old)
And just as a remark: "the format will be obsolete in 5 years", well maybe, maybe not, but maybe just as all format in music become obsolete at a time (LP,
Sure Woz has been an actor on Apple first success, sure the Apple II is "his" baby, sure it was a cool little computer but I think he're missing a component to be top player. Look at apple history. Apple re-birth is not the iPod but it starts with iMac and that makes a huge difference. ... Steve jobs is the guy of all those ideas and that make a world of difference, he's not lucky ... he's just brilliant.
/. is maybe not the best place to say all these, but hey everone got his place: be the enginer that will build a top computer or be the one that will sell it to the world.
Why ? Because if it was: a success for Steve Jobs than nothing than the iPod it could some kind of luck. But it's not: it's the early Apple success, it's Next, it's the iMac, Mac OS X, the iPod, the ITMS
Of course there are not all "his" ideas, there are hundreds of guys around him having the ideas, but he's selecting the ones he likes and he's good at it. And that is what make some guys a top manager and a world class busines man. As it has been said upper,
One will be in the shadow and the other not, but can you blame the guy in the spotlights ?
Sure ;)
;) ).
;)
Yes it's true the pref pane is quiting when closing and it's a Mac app, and yes I have to admit I have never really seen pref pane as an app in itslef.
But I just made my all list of applications and beside the pref pane, I found photo booth and that's about it, beside I know that Neo Office is also "quit on close" and I have more than 70 applications on my Mac (apple ones, open source ones, bought ones and nearly bought ones
What I mean is that Mac OS X has some imperfections, that can't be denied but this one is probably the last to come to my mind.
The inconsistency of the close button.
... this has no real interrest in term of usage.
;)
imho, application developers are to blamed here.
Standard for Mac OS (Whatever the version) is that you have to "Apple + Q" to quit an app and not vlose the windows.
In all the time I have been using Macs, the only apps that had this "Problem" were mostly coming from the open source world.
I'm a proud owner of a new 20" iMac and seriously, even if it's "cool" they did launch a linux on it, "Just for the fun of it"
I4m not a big fan of this kinf of war between mac owners and the rest of the world. But I have Mac's for years and I work on PC (win and Linux) every day, and I still prefer the Mac, reasons are obvious for me but hey, I might be wrong
I agree most of the "artist" complaining about illegal copy are the ones that never tour.
;D
;)
I'm not a big fan of illegal copy because I feel that if I like a song or a singer, well i'm supportinh him by buying his music. And if I can I'll go and see him live.
I don't care spending 99 cent for a record on iTunes, helps the artist nd give a lil money to Steve
But hey, if I have to make some stupid CD for a party or something with Britney and Co music or ChiPs theme, I will download that's for sure
If you are a "fresh" imigrant in a country, then culture might be a choice in a certain way. Of course you will live and teach your children values in relation with your original culture but you can make the choice to educate your childrens (and yourself) to the culture of the country you're coming in. That's what people generaly call "becoming american". Obviously, his parents decided to grow their familly the american way and drop the main part of their Eastern European history, that's where the choice is. Now I agree with you that the time will format everyone to the culture opf the place you live in but think about this: American history has been marked by some groups coming from the same area right ? So who has changed : the Irish or the American culture ? The Itlaian or the American's culture ? Both of course and that's where the choice matter, if people weren't having the choice then an external culture would not affect American culture: they try so much to preserve it that it is finaly assimilated in the American culture. (or at least bits of it)
That's correct, they can't do all these but they can have a gun and ride a car ... ;)
You can learn a language playing MMORPG, the only thing you must remember is you can't learn a language only by playing a MMORPG. I'm French speaking and I have played different MMORPG and yes it helped me in my learning because you do have the opportunity to speak with people. Beside, some guilds/pledges etc do not accept people chatting with a bad grammar or typos. There is alos teamspeak and ventrilo usage that is quite good for your English. What are the exercices you're doing at school ? Reading, writing, listening and speaking. That's what you do when you play on a foreign language server, but you have to be smart enough to combine it with some more conventional learning. After all, if you try to learn English with music or movies, you'll have the same problem. One more thing, I have played Lineage 1 and 2 on US servers for years ... and I've never been a gold farmer ;)