What can you do on an ethernet connection that you can't do on a serial connection? What can you do on a 128k DSL connection that you can't do on a 56k dial-up connection? What can you do on a DVD that you can't do on a CD?
I can keep going, but I'm sure you get the point. It's not about what you can do _right now_, but about what you can do tomorrow. And in the meantime, you can do the same things can do today much faster.
Gotta look to the future, not muck about in the present.
In all fairness, that is only one of the factors. Another pretty big one is likely the artificially high prices on anything that has that "enterprise" prefix on a product description, or anything that could be used by some pesky upstart.
It could also be the plethora of red tape and lawsuits that seem to be our thing here in the US.
Honestly, I'd put the landmass at a distant 3rd, at best.
Those same VPs are the types that demand all sorts of stupid shit if they think it gets in the way of how they feel things should work.
They're the problem. They're the exact reason training never works, because even if you explain the problem to them, they demand that you work around their shortcomings, because fuck you, why should they change to solve your petty problems, asshole.
People who are receptive to any type of training like what's being blatantly advertised to us here or what the GP is talking about have probably already either learned about it through their local sysadmin/tech pal or by being burned by a scam or two.
These IT departments are in charge of maintaining this crap and making sure it runs. They already have an environment and systems to maintain that environment in place. It is perfectly reasonable for them to not want to have to maintain a completely different set of systems for some one-off site that some newbies are proposing because it's the current hotness and/or all they know.
These consultant-type "web developers" are going to come and go in short order. Meanwhile, those IT guys are left dealing with the crap left in their wake (translation: more work for the IT admins). If they were to allow this to happen repeatedly, you'd probably give them shit for not keeping their environment homogenous.
I didn't read the article or kickstarter very closely, so forgive me if you already addressed this.
The one thing I can't quite understand is that your goal is to make a bunch of little vectorized emoticons that are free to use. Many of these are based on things that already exist, but will be done with your own artistic styling (correct?).
That's all wonderful and whatever, but why does this project demand $50,000? What's stopping you from taking the week or two to fire these things out and just releasing them under the licensing model you claim you want them to be under?
I know for a fact many of us here have spent years of our lives on projects simply to fill gaps, make cool stuff or generally just make the internet|world|whatever a little better. So again I ask: why does this demand so much money? Why are you only releasing these things once you hit certain monetary goals? Doesn't that seem shitty to you? Because, no offense, it seems pretty shitty to me.
Uhh... So I'm really hoping this is a joke that sailed over my head, but...
How, exactly, is he a racist for not liking emoji and/or not seeing the same significance you do? Do you always react this way when someone doesn't like something you do? Your whole response confuses me.
Well, the statement itself wouldn't have been bad if you had linked to something else (as you had done quite a bit in that article).
In any event, it's still a bit silly to me that your opinion on the matter is based on (what seems to be) others misusing it. Moreover, that said opinion makes you more partial to other languages and platforms that give you more rope to hang yourself with (and, in this case, require more work to achieve any semblance of stability/consistency), is even stranger to me -- it seems like it's a self-perpetuating problem. But, to each their own, I suppose.:)
I stopped reading and started skimming there. Can't take you seriously when there are subtle jabs at a tool with no justification for your disposition.
I have other gripes with the article and project as well, but I can't think of a way to word them in a way that they can be perceived as constructive criticism, so I'll just leave it at that.
Umm... I'm pretty sure that if I were using a service and the TOS changed, switching to another that has better terms is the most logical thing to do. How they learn about the change doesn't really matter.
That seems to make more sense than posting a passive-aggressive pseudo-rant on some nerd news site.:/
Okay, so let's just pretend for a second that I didn't specify any other device types or reasons in my very short example. Let's also ignore the mental acrobatics you performed to disregard the remainder of that chunklet of information I posted in a seemingly feeble attempt at steering the clearly biased back toward the gray area within which the rest of us live.
Let's pretend all of that. Even still, you're saying that the iPhone was a technological evolution of devices that were not only already in existence, but established enough that there were known workarounds for the seemingly terrible user experience.
Even if that were exactly the case, to hold Apple so highly for their "accomplishments" that you feel they're justified in suing everyone else for "stealing" mind-numbingly obvious IP is sociopathic at best.
Look, If you guys enjoy living within the walled garden of Apple, great. I'm happy for you. However, to think they somehow developed everything in a vacuum and everything to come after is a mindless copy... Jesus Christ, man.
Ugh. Enough of this backwards justification for this crap.
Do a few minutes of 5th-grader-level research and you'll find that there were more than a few phones/pdas/whatever that had touch screens with grids of icons before the iPhone existed. The tech simply wasn't cheap (or cool) enough yet. Apple was simple in the right place at the right time.
Your memory of how things got to where we are now is fuzzy at best.:/
What the holy hell are you doing that you're having trouble with e-mail, of all things?
Support for IMAP/POP3 have been in the Android core for as long as I've been a user. And Exchange support is seemingly native to everyone running Gingerbread or newer. And in my experience, they've Just Worked as well -- even with several migrations from vanilla to/from custom roms and phones. And, for what it's worth, I'm sure iOS e-mail support is no worse.
I suppose you could use my father's experience with his Xperia as evidence of Android e-mail issues; but 100% of those issues are entirely due to him fat-fingering his password and then swearing at his phone a few times.
In all seriousness... There are issues which I will gladly agree that a given phone/OS is better than another on. But there are far more where I look at the user as the problem. This is one such issue.
You know what's inherently costly about the area? The fact it's costing them $70/mo for technology that's over ten years old. The local cable companies (Charter, Comcast and Cable One) can't decide who "owns" the area (yeah -- they won't encroach on each other) so they won't move in and serve the area. That leaves CenturyLink unchallenged, so they have no incentive to upgrade their terrible service or even offer their existing service at a reasonable price. That's the exact definition of price gouging according to Google and dictionary.com.
To put it into perspective, about 10 to 15 miles west of their house, Charter offers 30mbit service for $40/mo and CenturyLink offers 10 and 15mbit services for around the same price.
So you think it's perfectly reasonable to be charged $70/mo for what CenturyLink is calling 1.5mbit DSL (speed tests show closer to 756k)? I'm sure my parents would love something cheaper, but the only other options are dial-up for $20-30/mo, or satellite w/dial-up uplink for roughly the same price as they pay for almost-broadband.
If that's not price gouging...
(Oh, another fun fact regarding their situation: CenturyLink currently has no plans to upgrade the area, as per their local coordinator in charge of network rollouts.)
The bit about the extra data lines is true, but other manufactures (Samsung, for instance), use the microUSB form factor to create a port that not only contain the extra lines for audio/video out, but are also "backwards compatible" with standard microUSB cables/chargers.
Generally speaking, it was a joke about/a cheap shot at people who buy Apple products, based on some anecdotal evidence.
The situation that stands out the most to me happened a few months back when I was having a discussion about mobile tech with one of my friend's siblings (who is in the 16-19 year old range). He was rocking a iPhone and studio-style Beats Audio headphone combo. When I explained to him that for the features he cared about, he could have gotten a set of actual professional studio headphones and an Android-based phone for significantly less money and superior hardware/feature sets, he just scoffed at me and said something along the lines of "these are cooler." His purchasing decision wasn't made based on which product was best suited for doing a given task, but which has the greatest external "coolness" factor.
I understand that not everyone who buys Apple products does so for social acceptance. However, in my experience, that's generally not the case. Also, generalizations and exaggerations tend to make mediocre jokes a tad funnier.:P
Indeed. I studied in Japan for a year and the most obvious thing to me was the complete lack of insulation everywhere (single pane windows, paper thin walls, etc.), climate control devices for each room and, as you were eluding to, the ever-popular three-wall store with full climate control, effectively cooling/heating the outdoors.
I'm sure there are some cultural differences I never picked up on or something, but as far as energy saving went, this area in itself seemed like a no-brainer to me.
I think it's one of those emotional/human thing. We'd much rather help people who are like us (size of a company/owners/neighbors/etc.) than the giant corporation who will likely crush us and toss us aside once we've served our purpose. That's been my experience, at least.
That said, with the mindset I have, I find it incredibly dishonest and dishonorable for a company like Apple to use such tactics to get a better deal. Not sure what actions I'd take if I were of the responsible parties in this situation, but I know I wouldn't be very happy.
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And you don't see how one-sided that is? How is that fair to you?
What can you do on an ethernet connection that you can't do on a serial connection?
What can you do on a 128k DSL connection that you can't do on a 56k dial-up connection?
What can you do on a DVD that you can't do on a CD?
I can keep going, but I'm sure you get the point. It's not about what you can do _right now_, but about what you can do tomorrow. And in the meantime, you can do the same things can do today much faster.
Gotta look to the future, not muck about in the present.
In all fairness, that is only one of the factors. Another pretty big one is likely the artificially high prices on anything that has that "enterprise" prefix on a product description, or anything that could be used by some pesky upstart.
It could also be the plethora of red tape and lawsuits that seem to be our thing here in the US.
Honestly, I'd put the landmass at a distant 3rd, at best.
Those same VPs are the types that demand all sorts of stupid shit if they think it gets in the way of how they feel things should work.
They're the problem. They're the exact reason training never works, because even if you explain the problem to them, they demand that you work around their shortcomings, because fuck you, why should they change to solve your petty problems, asshole.
People who are receptive to any type of training like what's being blatantly advertised to us here or what the GP is talking about have probably already either learned about it through their local sysadmin/tech pal or by being burned by a scam or two.
Wow.
Okay buddy. Good luck. :D
No dude, you just don't get it.
These IT departments are in charge of maintaining this crap and making sure it runs. They already have an environment and systems to maintain that environment in place. It is perfectly reasonable for them to not want to have to maintain a completely different set of systems for some one-off site that some newbies are proposing because it's the current hotness and/or all they know.
These consultant-type "web developers" are going to come and go in short order. Meanwhile, those IT guys are left dealing with the crap left in their wake (translation: more work for the IT admins). If they were to allow this to happen repeatedly, you'd probably give them shit for not keeping their environment homogenous.
I didn't read the article or kickstarter very closely, so forgive me if you already addressed this.
The one thing I can't quite understand is that your goal is to make a bunch of little vectorized emoticons that are free to use. Many of these are based on things that already exist, but will be done with your own artistic styling (correct?).
That's all wonderful and whatever, but why does this project demand $50,000? What's stopping you from taking the week or two to fire these things out and just releasing them under the licensing model you claim you want them to be under?
I know for a fact many of us here have spent years of our lives on projects simply to fill gaps, make cool stuff or generally just make the internet|world|whatever a little better. So again I ask: why does this demand so much money? Why are you only releasing these things once you hit certain monetary goals? Doesn't that seem shitty to you? Because, no offense, it seems pretty shitty to me.
Uhh... So I'm really hoping this is a joke that sailed over my head, but...
How, exactly, is he a racist for not liking emoji and/or not seeing the same significance you do? Do you always react this way when someone doesn't like something you do? Your whole response confuses me.
And statements like that are just as bad as his, and mister AC above.
No language is safe from misuse and shit code. Some are simply more prevalent, and thus, have more opportunities to be bastardized.
Well, the statement itself wouldn't have been bad if you had linked to something else (as you had done quite a bit in that article).
In any event, it's still a bit silly to me that your opinion on the matter is based on (what seems to be) others misusing it. Moreover, that said opinion makes you more partial to other languages and platforms that give you more rope to hang yourself with (and, in this case, require more work to achieve any semblance of stability/consistency), is even stranger to me -- it seems like it's a self-perpetuating problem. But, to each their own, I suppose. :)
"Reeks of Java"?
I stopped reading and started skimming there. Can't take you seriously when there are subtle jabs at a tool with no justification for your disposition.
I have other gripes with the article and project as well, but I can't think of a way to word them in a way that they can be perceived as constructive criticism, so I'll just leave it at that.
Umm... I'm pretty sure that if I were using a service and the TOS changed, switching to another that has better terms is the most logical thing to do. How they learn about the change doesn't really matter.
That seems to make more sense than posting a passive-aggressive pseudo-rant on some nerd news site. :/
Planned obsolescence?
Okay, so let's just pretend for a second that I didn't specify any other device types or reasons in my very short example. Let's also ignore the mental acrobatics you performed to disregard the remainder of that chunklet of information I posted in a seemingly feeble attempt at steering the clearly biased back toward the gray area within which the rest of us live.
Let's pretend all of that. Even still, you're saying that the iPhone was a technological evolution of devices that were not only already in existence, but established enough that there were known workarounds for the seemingly terrible user experience.
Even if that were exactly the case, to hold Apple so highly for their "accomplishments" that you feel they're justified in suing everyone else for "stealing" mind-numbingly obvious IP is sociopathic at best.
Look, If you guys enjoy living within the walled garden of Apple, great. I'm happy for you. However, to think they somehow developed everything in a vacuum and everything to come after is a mindless copy... Jesus Christ, man.
Ugh. Enough of this backwards justification for this crap.
Do a few minutes of 5th-grader-level research and you'll find that there were more than a few phones/pdas/whatever that had touch screens with grids of icons before the iPhone existed. The tech simply wasn't cheap (or cool) enough yet. Apple was simple in the right place at the right time.
Your memory of how things got to where we are now is fuzzy at best. :/
What the holy hell are you doing that you're having trouble with e-mail, of all things?
Support for IMAP/POP3 have been in the Android core for as long as I've been a user. And Exchange support is seemingly native to everyone running Gingerbread or newer. And in my experience, they've Just Worked as well -- even with several migrations from vanilla to/from custom roms and phones. And, for what it's worth, I'm sure iOS e-mail support is no worse.
I suppose you could use my father's experience with his Xperia as evidence of Android e-mail issues; but 100% of those issues are entirely due to him fat-fingering his password and then swearing at his phone a few times.
In all seriousness... There are issues which I will gladly agree that a given phone/OS is better than another on. But there are far more where I look at the user as the problem. This is one such issue.
... Sigh. You can't be serious.
You know what's inherently costly about the area? The fact it's costing them $70/mo for technology that's over ten years old. The local cable companies (Charter, Comcast and Cable One) can't decide who "owns" the area (yeah -- they won't encroach on each other) so they won't move in and serve the area. That leaves CenturyLink unchallenged, so they have no incentive to upgrade their terrible service or even offer their existing service at a reasonable price. That's the exact definition of price gouging according to Google and dictionary.com.
To put it into perspective, about 10 to 15 miles west of their house, Charter offers 30mbit service for $40/mo and CenturyLink offers 10 and 15mbit services for around the same price.
So you think it's perfectly reasonable to be charged $70/mo for what CenturyLink is calling 1.5mbit DSL (speed tests show closer to 756k)? I'm sure my parents would love something cheaper, but the only other options are dial-up for $20-30/mo, or satellite w/dial-up uplink for roughly the same price as they pay for almost-broadband.
If that's not price gouging...
(Oh, another fun fact regarding their situation: CenturyLink currently has no plans to upgrade the area, as per their local coordinator in charge of network rollouts.)
The bit about the extra data lines is true, but other manufactures (Samsung, for instance), use the microUSB form factor to create a port that not only contain the extra lines for audio/video out, but are also "backwards compatible" with standard microUSB cables/chargers.
Spacebar?
Generally speaking, it was a joke about/a cheap shot at people who buy Apple products, based on some anecdotal evidence.
The situation that stands out the most to me happened a few months back when I was having a discussion about mobile tech with one of my friend's siblings (who is in the 16-19 year old range). He was rocking a iPhone and studio-style Beats Audio headphone combo. When I explained to him that for the features he cared about, he could have gotten a set of actual professional studio headphones and an Android-based phone for significantly less money and superior hardware/feature sets, he just scoffed at me and said something along the lines of "these are cooler."
His purchasing decision wasn't made based on which product was best suited for doing a given task, but which has the greatest external "coolness" factor.
I understand that not everyone who buys Apple products does so for social acceptance. However, in my experience, that's generally not the case. Also, generalizations and exaggerations tend to make mediocre jokes a tad funnier. :P
I don't believe there's an Android app for "perceived social acceptance." :(
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/ :D
Indeed. I studied in Japan for a year and the most obvious thing to me was the complete lack of insulation everywhere (single pane windows, paper thin walls, etc.), climate control devices for each room and, as you were eluding to, the ever-popular three-wall store with full climate control, effectively cooling/heating the outdoors.
I'm sure there are some cultural differences I never picked up on or something, but as far as energy saving went, this area in itself seemed like a no-brainer to me.
I think it's one of those emotional/human thing. We'd much rather help people who are like us (size of a company/owners/neighbors/etc.) than the giant corporation who will likely crush us and toss us aside once we've served our purpose. That's been my experience, at least.
That said, with the mindset I have, I find it incredibly dishonest and dishonorable for a company like Apple to use such tactics to get a better deal. Not sure what actions I'd take if I were of the responsible parties in this situation, but I know I wouldn't be very happy.