It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.
The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim. As does the number of people who have adopted various older forms of beliefs, from Paganism to Buddhism to Feng Sui and Tai Chi. If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".
It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.
Nonsense. College campuses and left-leaning political movements are chock-full of people willing to jump to the defense of any culture which incorporated mysticism. If you want evidence, just attended any protest put on by "environmental" groups, and ask a random person about their spiritualism.
Thanks, you took the words right out of my mouth! Even if their stories directly referred to this crater, that's one semi-useful story out of thousands which are entirely worthless (other than for whatever artistic merit they may have). It doesn't come close to showing that there's any real value to their legends or their culture.
It's even worse than that, though, since - as someone else pointed out - this crater is millions of years old. Their story is most likely entirely unrelated to that impact. Therefore the only "lesson" here is that if you dig through enough garbage, you may eventually run across some gold... but your odds won't be any better than chance.
I think the phrase you're looking for is "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes". That's why conspiracy theories of all sorts tend to live on long after all credible doubt has been erased. They can spit out 100 different "facts" in under 10 minutes, each of which takes at least that long to answer in detail. As long as there are people who do not understand reason and logic, bullshit will continue to be an easier sell than truth.
As I said, read the article. The "Protection of Children Act" already has an exemption for law-enforcement use.
Also, it's ridiculous to think someone is going to base his/her career choice on whether or not they get to see crappy monochrome pictures of naked people, so your comment about "pedophiles flocking to the TSA" is pure FUD.
Perhaps if you'd actually read the article, you'd have noticed that the under-18-exemption is only in place temporarily, while the scanners are being trialed. If they are approved for use after the trial period, you can bet that the exemption will go away.
Maybe if the West stopped invading Arab countries and killing their citizens for their natural resources, that would be more effective than covering up each mess with more newspaper. It's starting to reek in here.
Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, it might start to smell a bit better.
It's still silly, unless the entire mountain is made of superconducting metal. Over the centuries, wind and rain would have eroded the mountains to nothing, leaving just the floaty-stuff behind.
Also, a planetary magnetic field wouldn't be strong enough to levitate entire mountains. You don't see mag-lev trains running without a track, do you?
And, the thing is, too, is that there are absolutely no guarantees that we can come up with an alternative energy system simply by throwing money on it.
Canada is already pulling oil out of sand, at competitive prices. In fact, oil imports from Canada make up something like 30%-40% of US oil imports. You're just making up excuses now.
I guess the thing is, right now, yeah, in hindsight, it all looks like a big mistake, but the thing is, it was a mistake rationally made, as most disasters genuinely are.
Yes, it was - just not for the reasons you're listing.
I don't even want to start commenting on your ideas about isolationism. You'll figure things out eventually. Best of luck.
I see you missed the "much longer process" part. If you expect to see social change exactly mirroring the GDP, then you really don't understand what's being discussed here.
Building cities in deserts is just not a good idea, and exploiting the environment to the absolute maximum it can take is bound to fail in the long run.
Tell that to the Israelis. Either they really DO have Yahweh on their side, or it's not as hard as you're implying. I'm gonna go with the latter.
I hear ya man. But what can ya do, the US has a record of doing stupid things like that. For instance, did you know that only 2,400 people died at Pearl Harbor? A completely insignificant number! Yet those silly Yanks got all riled up and wasted 400,000 lives and 2 TRILLION dollars... and they did it while attacking the wrong country!
Yep, those Americans are pretty fucking stupid. It's a good thing that me and you are smart enough to see The Truth!
I notice that while you commented on the "look" part of my comment, you completely skipped over the "act" part. Should I take that as a tacit acknowledgment, or did you just not finish reading before replying?
Per capita income fell from a high of $11,700 at the height of the oil boom in 1981 to $6,300 in 1998.[26] Recent[when?] oil price increases have helped boost per capita GDP to $17,000 in 2007 dollars,[27] or about $7,400 adjusted for inflation.[28]
That's without even bothering to look at the disparity in wealth distribution. Next time read the damn article you're linking to.
IOW, you arrived at your opinion without availing yourself of all the facts. What a surprise.
Nobody ever has all the facts. That you think you do goes a long way towards explaining your zealotry.
I'm sorry, no. Having a customs inspector who self-reports a "limited" knowledge of Polish is not the same having a translator
So having someone who can translate is not the same as having a translator. Makes as much sense as anything else you've said.
You have a very curious notion of proximate cause
Sorry, but you've completely failed to make your case. If this is what passes for rational thinking in your world, I really hope that you never have a reason to talk to a police officer.
The big benefit of free trade isn't increased freedoms around the world, but the lessening of armed conflict. Nations which trade with each other tend to do better than isolationist nations, but they also become dependent on each other. Nation which depend on each other are much less likely to wage war on each other. Whether they both grant the same freedoms to their citizens is largely irrelevant.
Of course, generally speaking, increased wealth (average income) does tend to lead to increased education and an increase in freedom. However, that's a much longer process. Most of India is still dirt poor - if you expect to see them becoming more liberal any time soon, you're going to be very disappointed. I know that we live in the "Gimme It Right Now!" era but, in this case, you're going to have to exercise some patience. There's no moores law for human rights.
Exactly. You do remember who was president at the time, right?
Yep, that would be the guy who graduated from Yale and Harvard, flew a multi-million dollar fighter jet well known for it's tendency to kill pilots without managing to get himself killed in the process, and then got himself elected president. What have you done?
You'd have to be an idiot in order to believe that Bush is an idiot. He may be inarticulate, unsophisticated, incapable of plotting and intentional deceit, and blinded by his faith, but he's a hell of a lot more intelligent than people give him credit for. Any conversation which starts of by denigrating his intellect is not a conversation worth having.
Not particularly, no. I don't waste my time on anything more than a cursory check - you're the one making the claim, so unless the evidence can be easily located I'm going to depend on you to provide your sources.
00:00 - 00:15 BSO G was requested to assist with Mr. DZIEKANSKI’S processing as he has some limited knowledge of the Polish language. BSO E completes Mr. DZIEKANSKI’S immigration process and releases him.
00:15 - 00:39 BSO G discovers Mr. DZIEKANSKI had resumed sitting in the immigration secondary area and advises him a second time that he was free to leave.
00:39 - 00:45 Mr. DZIEKANSKI was escorted by BSO G to the customs secondary area and was released.
I don't have any references to his initial processing, however, since they managed to get him through, it seems reasonable to assume that they had a translator on hand for that portion, also. It's irrelevant though, since "BSO G" interacted with him on multiple occasions.
I failed to mention earlier that your claim about him "being detained and held in a strange land by a bunch of folks" is complete nonsense. The guy was processed through the primary inspection line, and directed to go to secondary. Instead he disappeared for 6 hours. When they finally located him again, they processed him through the secondary immigration without any notable incidents. They then escorted him out, and he left the processing area:
00:46 - Mr. DZIEKANSKI exits the secondary area and walks towards the exit in the International Reception Lounge (IRL) of YVR.
Nobody was detaining him at any point in time. He spent 6 hours walking around in circles without trying to ask for assistance. Eventually he was located by airport staff, processed, and released on his own recognizance. It was only afterward that he flipped out and started tossing furniture around the terminal.
Well, I guess I'm just not prepared to agree that the penalty for being an angry foreigner should be death. YMMV.
And I'm not prepared to agree that the penalty for jaywalking should be death, yet people die under such circumstances on a daily basis. Actions have repercussions. Sometimes you do something stupid, and walk away without a problem. Sometimes you do something stupid, and end up in jail. And sometimes you do something stupid and end up in a coffin. That's life. Either way, only one party in this incident was acting belligerent, only one party was breaking the law, and only one party had the option of quickly resolving the incident without a physical altercation. I can't say that he got what he deserved, but what he got is a direct result of his own actions. Trying to find someone else to blame might make you feel warm and fuzzy, but it's pointless, and completely unfair. You may as well blame his mother for telling him to wait in the baggage-carousel area, or blame the limo-driver who let him back in the secure area and called the RCMP. Hell, blame the RCMP for changing their Tazer policies a few months before the incident, or blame the Polish school system for not teaching him English. You can find hundreds of people and institutions to blame, if you really want to, but it won't change the fact that the incident was cause by his own actions.
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It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.
The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim. As does the number of people who have adopted various older forms of beliefs, from Paganism to Buddhism to Feng Sui and Tai Chi. If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".
It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.
Nonsense. College campuses and left-leaning political movements are chock-full of people willing to jump to the defense of any culture which incorporated mysticism. If you want evidence, just attended any protest put on by "environmental" groups, and ask a random person about their spiritualism.
Thanks, you took the words right out of my mouth! Even if their stories directly referred to this crater, that's one semi-useful story out of thousands which are entirely worthless (other than for whatever artistic merit they may have). It doesn't come close to showing that there's any real value to their legends or their culture.
It's even worse than that, though, since - as someone else pointed out - this crater is millions of years old. Their story is most likely entirely unrelated to that impact. Therefore the only "lesson" here is that if you dig through enough garbage, you may eventually run across some gold ... but your odds won't be any better than chance.
I think the phrase you're looking for is "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes". That's why conspiracy theories of all sorts tend to live on long after all credible doubt has been erased. They can spit out 100 different "facts" in under 10 minutes, each of which takes at least that long to answer in detail. As long as there are people who do not understand reason and logic, bullshit will continue to be an easier sell than truth.
As I said, read the article. The "Protection of Children Act" already has an exemption for law-enforcement use.
Also, it's ridiculous to think someone is going to base his/her career choice on whether or not they get to see crappy monochrome pictures of naked people, so your comment about "pedophiles flocking to the TSA" is pure FUD.
Perhaps if you'd actually read the article, you'd have noticed that the under-18-exemption is only in place temporarily, while the scanners are being trialed. If they are approved for use after the trial period, you can bet that the exemption will go away.
Maybe if the West stopped invading Arab countries and killing their citizens for their natural resources, that would be more effective than covering up each mess with more newspaper. It's starting to reek in here.
Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, it might start to smell a bit better.
Damn. I don't know how the air-travel industry will manage to survive without you.
It's still silly, unless the entire mountain is made of superconducting metal. Over the centuries, wind and rain would have eroded the mountains to nothing, leaving just the floaty-stuff behind.
Also, a planetary magnetic field wouldn't be strong enough to levitate entire mountains. You don't see mag-lev trains running without a track, do you?
And, the thing is, too, is that there are absolutely no guarantees that we can come up with an alternative energy system simply by throwing money on it.
Canada is already pulling oil out of sand, at competitive prices. In fact, oil imports from Canada make up something like 30%-40% of US oil imports. You're just making up excuses now.
I guess the thing is, right now, yeah, in hindsight, it all looks like a big mistake, but the thing is, it was a mistake rationally made, as most disasters genuinely are.
Yes, it was - just not for the reasons you're listing.
I don't even want to start commenting on your ideas about isolationism. You'll figure things out eventually. Best of luck.
I see you missed the "much longer process" part. If you expect to see social change exactly mirroring the GDP, then you really don't understand what's being discussed here.
Building cities in deserts is just not a good idea, and exploiting the environment to the absolute maximum it can take is bound to fail in the long run.
Tell that to the Israelis. Either they really DO have Yahweh on their side, or it's not as hard as you're implying. I'm gonna go with the latter.
I hear ya man. But what can ya do, the US has a record of doing stupid things like that. For instance, did you know that only 2,400 people died at Pearl Harbor? A completely insignificant number! Yet those silly Yanks got all riled up and wasted 400,000 lives and 2 TRILLION dollars ... and they did it while attacking the wrong country!
Yep, those Americans are pretty fucking stupid. It's a good thing that me and you are smart enough to see The Truth!
Who ever said anything about "fair"? There's a lot of shit in this world that isn't fair. If you haven't learned that yet, you're in serious trouble.
Nicely said.
I notice that while you commented on the "look" part of my comment, you completely skipped over the "act" part. Should I take that as a tacit acknowledgment, or did you just not finish reading before replying?
Don't worry, it's just a temporary reversal. Some more antisemites will be along shortly to correct the situation.
From your own source:
Per capita income fell from a high of $11,700 at the height of the oil boom in 1981 to $6,300 in 1998.[26] Recent[when?] oil price increases have helped boost per capita GDP to $17,000 in 2007 dollars,[27] or about $7,400 adjusted for inflation.[28]
That's without even bothering to look at the disparity in wealth distribution. Next time read the damn article you're linking to.
IOW, you arrived at your opinion without availing yourself of all the facts. What a surprise.
Nobody ever has all the facts. That you think you do goes a long way towards explaining your zealotry.
I'm sorry, no. Having a customs inspector who self-reports a "limited" knowledge of Polish is not the same having a translator
So having someone who can translate is not the same as having a translator. Makes as much sense as anything else you've said.
You have a very curious notion of proximate cause
Sorry, but you've completely failed to make your case. If this is what passes for rational thinking in your world, I really hope that you never have a reason to talk to a police officer.
Perfect logic. Smoking kills more people than murder, so let's make murder legal and institute the death penalty for selling tobacco.
Does this kind of thinking really make sense to you, or are you just trolling?
The big benefit of free trade isn't increased freedoms around the world, but the lessening of armed conflict. Nations which trade with each other tend to do better than isolationist nations, but they also become dependent on each other. Nation which depend on each other are much less likely to wage war on each other. Whether they both grant the same freedoms to their citizens is largely irrelevant.
Of course, generally speaking, increased wealth (average income) does tend to lead to increased education and an increase in freedom. However, that's a much longer process. Most of India is still dirt poor - if you expect to see them becoming more liberal any time soon, you're going to be very disappointed. I know that we live in the "Gimme It Right Now!" era but, in this case, you're going to have to exercise some patience. There's no moores law for human rights.
Worse yet ... without Indian tech support, it's only a matter of time before the servers go up in flames.
Please do not offer my god a peanut!
Exactly. You do remember who was president at the time, right?
Yep, that would be the guy who graduated from Yale and Harvard, flew a multi-million dollar fighter jet well known for it's tendency to kill pilots without managing to get himself killed in the process, and then got himself elected president. What have you done?
You'd have to be an idiot in order to believe that Bush is an idiot. He may be inarticulate, unsophisticated, incapable of plotting and intentional deceit, and blinded by his faith, but he's a hell of a lot more intelligent than people give him credit for. Any conversation which starts of by denigrating his intellect is not a conversation worth having.
I'd ask you for evidence.
You didn't look very hard, then:
Not particularly, no. I don't waste my time on anything more than a cursory check - you're the one making the claim, so unless the evidence can be easily located I'm going to depend on you to provide your sources.
Your turn: source, please.
Sure
00:00 - 00:15 BSO G was requested to assist with Mr. DZIEKANSKI’S processing as he has some limited knowledge of the Polish language. BSO E completes Mr. DZIEKANSKI’S immigration process
and releases him.
00:15 - 00:39 BSO G discovers Mr. DZIEKANSKI had resumed sitting in the immigration secondary area and advises him a second time that he was free to leave.
00:39 - 00:45 Mr. DZIEKANSKI was escorted by BSO G to the customs secondary area and was released.
I don't have any references to his initial processing, however, since they managed to get him through, it seems reasonable to assume that they had a translator on hand for that portion, also. It's irrelevant though, since "BSO G" interacted with him on multiple occasions.
I failed to mention earlier that your claim about him "being detained and held in a strange land by a bunch of folks" is complete nonsense. The guy was processed through the primary inspection line, and directed to go to secondary. Instead he disappeared for 6 hours. When they finally located him again, they processed him through the secondary immigration without any notable incidents. They then escorted him out, and he left the processing area:
00:46 - Mr. DZIEKANSKI exits the secondary area and walks towards the exit in the International Reception Lounge (IRL) of YVR.
Nobody was detaining him at any point in time. He spent 6 hours walking around in circles without trying to ask for assistance. Eventually he was located by airport staff, processed, and released on his own recognizance. It was only afterward that he flipped out and started tossing furniture around the terminal.
Well, I guess I'm just not prepared to agree that the penalty for being an angry foreigner should be death. YMMV.
And I'm not prepared to agree that the penalty for jaywalking should be death, yet people die under such circumstances on a daily basis. Actions have repercussions. Sometimes you do something stupid, and walk away without a problem. Sometimes you do something stupid, and end up in jail. And sometimes you do something stupid and end up in a coffin. That's life. Either way, only one party in this incident was acting belligerent, only one party was breaking the law, and only one party had the option of quickly resolving the incident without a physical altercation. I can't say that he got what he deserved, but what he got is a direct result of his own actions. Trying to find someone else to blame might make you feel warm and fuzzy, but it's pointless, and completely unfair. You may as well blame his mother for telling him to wait in the baggage-carousel area, or blame the limo-driver who let him back in the secure area and called the RCMP. Hell, blame the RCMP for changing their Tazer policies a few months before the incident, or blame the Polish school system for not teaching him English. You can find hundreds of people and institutions to blame, if you really want to, but it won't change the fact that the incident was cause by his own actions.