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Canada's Airlines Face a Privacy Dilemma
Interoperable writes "Canada's airlines are caught between a rock and a hard place in the face of new US regulations that require them to collect and hand over personal information about passengers. Handing over information regarding a passenger's name, gender and birth-date may violate Canadian privacy laws but merely flying over American airspace is conditional on doing exactly that. It seems that the long arms of the TSA are eager to grope at Canadians taking a shortcut to Toronto; no doubt to prevent any terrorist attacks on Lake Huron."
.. to do exactly what they say, or suffer?
Now I didn't see this one coming.
So I say ever other country starts finger-printing and frisking Americans just as a matter of policy.
See how long before the state departments starts whining about that.
This is precisely why I won't fly into a US airport. Fuck 'em, you country no longer interests me.
Flying around US airspace between Canadian cities isn't as bad as it looks on a flat 2d projection map. They should probably just avoid any issues and stick to Canadian airspace.
But France must have been in charge at the time as we surrendered without a fight.
It's just not worth the hassle. There are places in America I'd still quite like to visit, but I'm not going to bother. Being made to endure the insanity of US airport "security" processes is not acceptable to me, and I'm not alone: Aside from all the other people who have decided a US vacation isn't worth the effort, go ask American tourism operators how they feel about it all.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin, c. 1775 Might I suggest the right answer for Canada (and I say this as an American) is to deny use of Canadian Airspace and/or landing rights to U.S. carriers until this demand is withdrawn? And on the U.S. side, to simply state that Canada can take whatever measures it wishes to guarantee aviation safety, but any damages that involve flights departs from Canadian airports that resulting from failures in whatever aviation safety system Canada may choose to implement will then be paid from randomly seized Canadian assets in the U.S.? Let Canada figure it out, and if they get it wrong, let Canada pay!
"It is morally wrong to initiate the aggressive use of force.." Of course, defensive force is fair game...
and tell em to piss off
Toronto is on Lake Ontario
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
Now, I suppose the US could legitimately demand that any flights crossing its territory make a landing, hence subjecting passengers to inspection per Article 9(b-c), but that's only supposed to be available on a temporary basis.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
If we block them they block us and soon we'll be traveling to Alaska via Russia (which I've heard you can see via some of the houses on the coast)
Your country never interested me!
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That means they're winning, doesn't it?
The US is making this conditional for permission for overflight. How _precisely_ is this something that they shouldn't be allowed to do? The airlines are perfectly allowed to change their flight paths and not overfly the US. It'll add a lot of time to a flight to the Caribbean or Mexico, but hey, that's what you have to do for overflight.
BTW: I'm Canadian.
Since we are not allowed to know if even one, single, lone, terrorist attack in the US has been thwarted by these information lists just what can a citizen do? Sending mail to a congressman or voting according to a position on more of this information collection is absurd as we simply are not allowed to have a clue as to whether this tactic works at all. For all I know perhaps this nonsense simply creates jobs that fat cat politicians hand out to their buddies.
Ask any Chinese person in the USA how they got to the US, and they will say thru-Toronto.
Ask any Celebrity how they managed to visit Cuba, they will say thru-Toronto.>
Watching Toronto Airports seems prudent.
Right....
The last time the US and Canada fought, how did that end again? Ah yes, your White House was lit on fire.
It would take a little more than your National Guard to take some Canadians down. Shooting some of the ICBMs you have pointed at them would work however.
Just see if we offer you statehood with an attitude like that!
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That's fine with me. I simply do not travel to the USA. However, if they are to poke and prod us, I say we do the same to them. Then we just allow the Americans to complain and things will be better.
Blow up my plane? Nuke ten of your airports.
I think I have a solution. We as Canadians should just reclassify all flights over American air space as Cargo Flights. No passengers to report. It's not like the plane is going to land in the States or they are going to pull over an aircraft for an inspection. Of course in an emergency situation where one does need to land in the states, it will be an unfortunate clerical error that lead the incorrect information to be given to the US.
Why do we need to go the USA anymore.....It isn't fun anymore to get there.....The planet those evolves around the U.S........there is other places ......
War Plan Red is Go!!!
Invade Canada!
Trust the T.S.A. They're Federalized [TM] which is howcome they're so smart. I mean they might have missed the underpants bomber who wasn't on the no fly list that the late Senator Ted Kennedy was on, but they nearly nabbed this guy. Now move along nothing to see here. We must protect ourselves from Polish^H^H^H Oceana^H^H^H Canadian agression.
My country has a bill that puts limits on handling of my personal data. It was passed because the EU demands that. But it also demands that my bank passes info about my money transactions to USA. It would be pretty difficult to live without bank account and legally impossible to run a business without bank account. My privacy is screwed and I can't even vote to change that - short of convincing EU to challenge US.
We had stories about US demandingdata about air travelers before. Well, you don't have to travel by air. You can use cash and not wire transfers. You can live without internet if you don't want ISP to log who/when you talk to. You can have your privacy - if you live back in the woods. Thanks God, the war on terrorism works so well.
sorry to break it to you ass munch but whites will be a minority very soon. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1110177520080212
Handing over information regarding a passenger's name, gender and birth-date may violate Canadian privacy laws
What's worse is that the TSA can't even get any of those three facts right in many cases.
Last Name: "Alphabetic, no numeric or special characters, except dash ( - ) and single quote ( ' ). Do not include suffixes (e.g., jr.). Truncate names longer than 35 characters to 35 characters".
First Name: "Secure Flight allows first initial only;" otherwise, same as last name. Honorifics are not to be placed in the name.
Middle Name: same as first name.
So if any of your three names doesn't perfectly fit this convention, you will be hit with a $100 Change fee, including if you don't have a middle name. This is particularily problematic for asian, greek, or many other nationalities whose names include special characters or when translated to english result in a name longer than 35 characters.
Gender: Once again, the TSA fails to account for any manner of diversity in the human population. Anyone who doesn't conform to the gender stereotype fixed to your official documents will be subject to additional (unwanted) attention. I wonder if they'll be offering sensitivity training for the crossdressers, transgendered, butch lesbians, and intersexed amongst us. And god help you if the Driver's Bureau screws up, or you live in a state that won't alter birth records after surgery, or one of a dozen other very real problems.
Birthdate: Did you know a lot of people who immigrate to this country don't know when they were born? In fact, in developing countries, it's quite common for people not to know their actual age. People assume a person's date of birth is a fixed thing -- how could you screw that up? And if you live in this country, you don't have to worry about this anyway. Well, remember that until the mid-90s the Social Security Administration wasn't so on about immediately registering newborns -- and did you know some people choose to have their kids at home? Some people don't get a birth certificate until they're five years old because parents just plain forget -- and for a variety of reasons, sometimes they fudge the actual date. Try getting this changed later -- it's fun.
In short, there's no real security being added here. All of it can be defeated quite easily in any event by putting a gun to the head of your wife, kid, or anything else you don't feel like losing. And as we make these security restrictions increasingly ethnocentric, the terrorists will adapt their strategies accordingly, because the payoff is so damn good! They sucked the US economy of trillions of dollars and all they had to do was crash four passenger planes. We offer the best "bang for the buck", literally and figuratively. It doesn't matter if they make it ten thousand times more difficult and expensive to pull another 9/11 job -- it's still an amazingly good deal for the terrorists.
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I'm sorry. I shouldn't have been so hasty. PLEASE don't take away our Celine?!?!
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And we got a suddenly very, very straight northern border.
Then again that was 200 or so years ago. Things have a tendency to change in time spans that long, so perhaps it's not entirely relevant.
Canada started using U.S. data a couple of years ago. Sadly Canada this is the downside of our arrangement with you. You don't get just the good part of this arrangement.
Depending on where you live, you already are. I don't see it as a problem, unless the majority (or larger minorities) start into the racism that they blame the "white" man for. Honestly, it's really weird to be one of the few white people in the area. Not for the sake of being the minority, but the racism that can accompany it. For the most part though, people are people, and treat you equally. It's the exceptions that are the problems, and the GP post is one of them.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
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Safety through obscurity is not the same as being safe.
Not that I have a stand on the issue, I personally think the TSA is one of the "less" effective agencies on the "war on terror"; I worked for DHS training TSA screeners about how to "X", I quit 6 months in. It was like trying to teach Shakespeare (as written) to ESL students from Asia (which I have also seen attempted).
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As I recall, that ended with Andy Jackson kicking the crap out of the Royal Army (and not just any odds-n-sods of the Royal Army - those lads were brought over here after kicking the crap out of Napolean in Spain) just outside N'Awlins.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Speaking as a Canadian...I think we should tell those paranoid xenophobes to go fuck themselves.
Jean Chrétien had a lot of flaws, but at least he had the balls to tell the Americans to stop pushing us around.
If they are concerned about passenger security then they can damn well set up more of those "you're guilty until proven innocent" security-theatre checkpoints on their own soil and search people getting off the plane. Hell, they can even build special security airports at the borders to inspect people's shoes and water bottles.
(Sad to think that would probably be a better use of their funding than most of the stupid crap they've wasted their money on in the last 9 years)
Go ahead and mod me down American nationalist zealots ... I have karma to burn and I'm tired of putting up with America's bullshit.
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Like many people, I think that the USA should be worth visiting but...
I have no wish to be treated like a criminal. Even domestic UK flights are barely tolerable and it is getting worse.
I am not being driven away from your country by the scumbag terrorists. I am being kept away by all that I hear about the security tripe.
You allegedly lost the next Olympics because of it. It can't be helping your economy. Billions spent on the TSA and other useless rubbish as well as an indeterminate amount not collected from foreigners - despite the rather amusing adverts starring the Governator.
That still leaves me cars, boats and trains for the summer.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
It must be Bush and the Republicans' fault . . . oh wait.
I hope all those Kool Aid drinkers from last year learned a valuable lesson: Obama's the better liar.
Ah, the militia myth in action. Nevermind the British regulars were far more effective than Canadian militias and carried them in the invasion of the US east coast.
Canada and the US have fought since 1867? Over salmon maybe and I've not seen the White House burned since Canada became a nation.
Oh you mean the War of 1812...the units that took Washington were British Army and Royal Navy units from the Peninsular War which attacked Washington because the Americans burned the capital of British Upper Canada.
More like the Mac OSX / Linux argument. There are no* viruses for either, even though there have been a few in the past.
Whereas windows is like living in a war zone. Yes, there are a few viruses, but a huge number more trojans that are all still trying to own your system.
The concept of 'war on terror' is purely a rallying point to allow the government to get away with increasing its power and/or let politicians cover there asses. The TSA is security theatre, no more, no less. The most effective counter to 'terrorism' is to stop pissing people off, but that requires real cajones.
*Ok, almost zero.
I wonder at what point the TSA will simply declare that flying in and of itself is so dangerous or so loaded with potential terrorists that all air travel will be banned.
And I really wish I could use a "sarcasm" tag with my statement. Unfortunately, I can't bring myself to do that.
The Overrated mod is for reversing inappropriate, positive mods, not for voicing disagreement with a post.
You mean the Canadian tar discovered, extracted, and refined by American companies?
Gives heavy and sour new meanings.
Sure we burned the White House down in 1814 but we also burned down our parliament in 1849 so I'm not sure that we really kicked America's ass or if we are just a walking safety hazard. :P
BTW if the US ever burns down our 'white house' in future I imagine it'd be an unfair comparison...
Whitehouse - http://www.visitingdc.com/images/white-house-address.jpg
24 sussex drive (Canadian's 'white house') - http://www.homesecurity.org/images/24-Sussex-Drive.JPG
I have gone through every measure possible to avoid ever landing in the USA again on an airplane. I travel to Mexico or Costa Rica yearly on vacation, and usually take 1-2 vacations in the summer as well, and thanks to the lovely TSA and border agents, the USA has been semi-permenantly crossed off my tourism list. (semi because if they let up again I would consider going back. It isn't a grudge thing, just do not want to be harassed.)
All my flights I pay extra if necessary to bypass the USA all together, not landing in their airports even for stopovers. This has become standard operating proceedure for pretty much anyone I've spoken to who vacations regularly.
The USA is going to be facing some pretty heavy dollars lost in tourism from Canadian, European, Asian, etc tourists if no one is willing to fly into the country.
The TSA really needs to clean up it's act, even though I feel for them, since I'm sure there would be outcry as well were they to go 'soft on terror!'
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
Canada is just returning the courtesy show to her citizens by the US. There are Canadians forbidden from entering the US or doing business with the US because they do business with countries or companies in countries of which the US does not approve (such as Cuba). They don't have criminal records, they're just doing business with someone the US hates. This coming from a bunch of moronic hypocrites that sell weapons to a country (Iraq) or train terrorists (bin Laden) and then get a farking surprised look on their faces when it comes back to bite them in the ass. Give me a break.
Her name's Céline. Not Celine.
So Canada faces a privacy dilemma.
The solution:
No privacy.
No privacy, no dilemma.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
In that case, keep her! Who'n the hell wants some communistic, anti-'merican, floozy with a Frenchie name!
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Canada would never deny all US Carrier flights into Canadian airspace purely on economic reasons. Pearson International Airport in Toronto has one of the highest landing fees in the world, second to Japan's Tokyo Narita in 2004. Pearson would go bazerk if US carriers couldn't land there.
Afghanistan hasn't gone anywhere in 3 invasions. It's the invaders who are doomed.
Kinda feels like Monty Python's black knight. Sure you've cut his limbs off, but he'll bite you in the kneecaps until you fall.
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Gender is not social. It is biological. Don't be a fucking moron.
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I'm not a huge fan of the TSA's retarded procedures, but if you want to fly over our airspace, you play by our rules. That's pretty intuitive.
Doesn't this violate the Chicago Convention? Of course, the USA never liked the Chicago Convention -- they wanted each pair of countries to negotiate overflight rules individually, so lots of countries making tit-for-tat retalliations leading to the collapse of the Chicago Convention might be just what the USA is playing for.
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For using such an assinine term as 'ReThuglican Jew', it's obvious you don't think.
It' ok. We, Canadians, always have an easy solution when USA's laws clash with our laws. We change our laws.
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...planes may be weapons, but they don't cause buildings to collapse at free-fall velocity and kill thousands of people. That's what demolition explosives are for.
The US is a nation of immigrants (sorry if any Native Americans are reading this :p). While there are lots of different ethnic groups here, they have all become americans and are _much_ closer to each other then they are to the places they came from. Sure you can say the average color is changing and that would mean a lot if you were used to a monochromatic country. But its america, who cares what the color is?
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Don't get me wrong, I love my American cousins. It's the fact that their government is throwing its weight around like an elephant in a glasswares store.
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A person with a DUI is not allowed into Canada unless you get a waver. Yeah DUIs are not good things but to be denied access to a country based on that fact?
The US needs to fix a lot of things but Canada is not perfect either.
let us increase funding and illicit aid for the quebecois separatists, and with the next vote of secession, finally divide canada into 3 parts. alberta will choose union with us freely, and then we have 3 smaller anglocanadian units and one frog unit to deal with. divided, internally contentious and much weaker in comparison, we shall dispatch these remnants one by one and digest the mostly useless icebox in our attic once and for all. leave quebec free as a rump reminder. i'm sick of the mosquitoes whining above us (oh no wait, we're talking about the canadian prairie: better get used to mosquitoes. and mud. when its not ice)
since we are already culturally and linguistically assimilated, political domination will be easy. canada is after all, nothing but unincorporated american territory. i know you take pride in the 1812 trouncing that is the only reason you even exist but that wasn't done by canadians. it was done by the british. its strange to me to take pride in a supposed nationality that had to be finally forcibly weaned from the british imperial tit in the 1980s(!). and yet you still have some foreign bitch on your money. pathetic. this is a national identity to take pride in?
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that's not how the usa deals with canada. or thinks of canada. but that's what an american nationalist zealot would think. are you sure you are dealing with what you think you are dealing with?
reality: relations between canada and the usa is probably the most peaceful relationship between two large neighboring countries in the history of the world. so admit that, and mellow your loud ignorant words
now, if you insist on the "american nationalist zealot" line, i can point to many parallels in the world that might not be so cheerful for canada. if you want a powerful neighbor ruled by nationalist zealots, you can always try the imperial empires of china and russia, and if you know your history of how those empires divided, dissolved, neutralized and incorporated their neighbors over the centuries, you'll be thanking your lucky stars that the usa is your southern neighbor. i'm sorry, your ONLY neighbor. if the usa were run by actual nationalist zealots hell bent on empire, canada would be our siberia or our tibet/ xinjiang in a heartbeat. and if you want to say that the history of the usa IS like russia and china, then you're merely leveling the moral playing field to pointless equivalency, because canada is certainly no saint in the nation-building crimes list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Riel
we surround you, and we are peaceful with you. sorry our airspace policies displease you
but know the relative truth of the reality of canada-usa relations in the history of the world, and be thankful you have the neighbor you do. i am thankful for the peaceful mostly upstanding neighbor to our north, so return the favorable impression. lest you sound like just another whiny clueless prick. we plenty of those in this world and on this forum
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If US demands Canada hand over the details, then Canada should demand US hand over same details on its citizens transiting.Recipication will demand those caught with bogus ID's get into trouble.
Collect the required passenger info, then transmit it the moment the plane crosses into U.S. space. Canadian laws aren't violated, and US officials get to satisfy their paranoia.
The solution is trivial:
1. Stealth jumbo jets
2. Parachutes for every passenger
This also has the benefits of avoiding those outragous airport surcharges.
And just think about how much extra money the airlines can make off the parachutes:
First class parachutes: 99.9999% survival rate (a trained professional jumps with you)
Business class parachutes: 99% survival rate
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A person with a DUI is not allowed into Canada unless you get a waver. Yeah DUIs are not good things but to be denied access to a country based on that fact?
The US needs to fix a lot of things but Canada is not perfect either.
Wait, what? Keeping drunk drivers out of our country is the same as harvesting personal information of those simply overflying the US?
You might consider getting a little perspective.
And, as an aside, I personally think keeping convicted drunk drivers out of our country is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Oh ffs, as a Canadian, seriously, shut the fuck up. a) That was the British, and b) who the fuck cares? Yes, that's right, no one. Meanwhile, you make the average Canadian look like a fucking moron with an inferiority complex (which, it seems, might actually be accurate, but the least you could do is keep it on the dl).
Unfortunately, our elected leaders don't see the insanity. They don't see that they're doing the terrorist's job more effectively than the terrorists ever imagined. They don't see how many airline and TSA employees are using this as an excuse to lie and steal. They have the right to go through your baggage - but you don't have the right to keep your personal property if they want to take it. Do they have rules and regulations to follow? Don't ask - it's none of your business, citizen. Do these people know how foolish they look? No.
I've taken every opportunity to vote for people who said they would not perpetuate this nonsense - but there doesn't seem to be any way for a simple American citizen to stop this lunacy. I know that I do NOT want to travel on any airline these days - and if I have to, I know not to take a laptop or IPod along - or anything else that the watchers may find suspicious or desirable.
What I'd really like to tell them: Hey, I'm an American citizen - who gave you the right to harass the citizens of this country? But they won't answer and it seems that our so-called representative government is more concerned with preserving and improving the status quo than doing the job they were elected to do.
Sheesh; Bush was a disaster and Obama promised to undo the extremes and provide more transparency. Yeah, right - so Obama lied to us and is following the Bush plan. As a citizen, I'd like to apologize to those in other countries for the behavior of our government. We didn't ask them to act this way and we can't seem to find a way to get them to stop.
Oh ffs, as a Canadian, seriously, shut the fuck up. a) That was the British, and b) who the fuck cares? Yes, that's right, no one. Meanwhile, you make the average Canadian look like a fucking moron with an inferiority complex (which, it seems, might actually be accurate, but the least you could do is keep it on the dl).
Will you please come down here for a hug. You just made my grinchy heart grow 3 sizes. ;)
Gender is not social. It is biological. Don't be a fucking moron.
Not a moron, just a bio<pedant>. My biology teachings suggest that there are at least three things that can be considered male/female/etc:
Wikipedia suggests another one, whether you produce sperm or eggs, which probably goes between the Genetic and Biological ones that I have here.
Ask me about repetitive DNA
Actually, I think I do recall that wikipedia one now. It's Gametic Sex.
Ask me about repetitive DNA
I agree, but there are a lot of Americans who would argue with you. Many areas believe they are the only ones that belong. And ya, I agree with the Native American position of "we were here first." I'm happy that I'm able to share their lands. My ancestors and myself had nothing to do with the bad things that happened with them. We were poor migrants, who showed up too late to the show.
Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
...I don't agree or am offended? Exactly how is this "Trolling"? Things like this make people uncomfortable. They want to go around throwing out a bunch of claims that "Whites" are causing all the problems, but, when the facts are put up, "Well, you're a Troll." Nice! BTW, I'm not claiming that the problems are all non-whites either. The problems are caused by greedy, ignorant, stupid bastards (of all races and creeds). Fuck You Jack-Ass!
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You mean the Jew Bastard that cheated a bunch of other greedy Jew Bastards out of their money by getting a bunch of other greedy Jew bastards to front him boat-loads of money so he could convince the later greedy Jew bastards that he was some kind of financial genius and then paid off the original group of greedy Jew bastards with the money invested by the later greedy Jew bastards. That Madoff?
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Airlines are attacked because they are nationalized. Almost all airlines get subsidies from governments so a nation can claim to have an airline. Stop giving public money to airlines and airlines will stopped being attacked. There is no capitalism left ANYWHERE in the world, just socialism. Why not have a private plane company, private airports, and private security? All airplane manufacturers all sell military airplanes. Airplane companies get public money. Lots of government regulations, not safety, say what airlines can land where and why. Airports are controlled by municipal, federal and regional governments. Stop the subsidies, stop the laws saying that a country needs a national airline, OR admit that the flight business is state controlled and do a better job controlling it. One national carrier, no more, tightly controlled.
All of this mandatory security theatre(*) is just because of the stupid international politics of the USA (no longer the home of the free) in the first place. This means that we ALL get to suffer from their stupid pollitical choices (they learned nothing from middle and south american experiments, Vietnam?).
(*) Yes, who you are does not matter for a safe plane flight. It all (!) depends on what stuff the security measures don't detect and what thus is taken onboard.
Yes, Osama, if he were alive, could easily be admitted to a plane. Just without bombs, weapons, etc.
So this name-list weirdness, this privacy invasion, leads to absolutely nothing.
Which toilet do they go in to? THAT is their social gender.
But that doesn't work with cross dressing (how do you know?), nor with people who have breasts AND a penis. Either through genetics or surgery.
This should be easy to resolve, providing the airlines management had and principles and any balls. Just give the U.S. bastards the actual names and "erroneous" data.
I go to Canada in a week.
I plan to request Hindi meals. Maybe kosher og halal on the return flight.
Headline should read, "TSA Fucks-Up Again!"
This time a TSA Guard at Concourse C at Newark LIA suffered hallucinations of a "man" walking through the secure lane in the opposite direction. Video shows nothing ... nothing at all.
Next, TSA goons stopped all in-bound and out-bound flights, forced offloading, and rounded up everyone else in the terminal to re-screen everyone!
The next time shit like this happens, 3000 pissed-off people are going to beat the crap out of 30 TSA ass-whipe stoners.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/04/new.jersey.airport.breach/