what if joe laborer invents something that makes the lives of millions of people better (we're not just talking about some crappy RIAA backed jingle either)... oh yeah, he signs the patent over to the corporation so he doesn't get fired.
however, in other situations, the renter/leasee/tenant has rights. That is the whole point of the discussion. What rights from the physical world should extend to software. What new ones should be required? The obvious response is don't rent, unless you are willing to accept the risk. But the reality is that some applications are becoming prohibitively expensive and like physical objects will be rented. I don't know what the answers should be. But it seems like linux and other free software have shown that it doesn't neccesarily need to be so.
"[the head of the company] said that what he really wanted was that Hinkley come back."...
"The final Hotline Connect release... took place last month"...
"New features include an enhanced client interface with a dynamic toolbar..."
Now we see what the company was really upset about. It wasn't so much code that was already written that they missed.
Here is some more info from the link:
"In the meantime, fearing that Hinkley would inflict further damage to the company by releasing the source code on the Internet, the company obtained an injunction from the State of Victoria's Supreme Court, which included an Anton Piller search-and-seizure order."...
"Hinkley's house and those of his separated parents were raided on Sept. 11, 1998"...
"While Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia maintain legal reciprocity with the Australian state of Victoria, Ontario [where the company accusing him was located] does not."
This is a quote from the link mentioned above. I think it shows the credibility of the source:
"The program he developed took the best from File Transfer Protocol (FTP), Usenet and Internet Relay Chat (IRC), but was based on new, cutting-edge proprietary protocols."
I don't know anything about Adam Hinkley or AppWarrior or whever companies were involved.
But this story has brought out more drones than I've ever seen in a slashdot post. It reminds me of the wall to wall MSCEs you'll find in some shops, who'll spout freedom to innovate stuff entirely unprovoked (okay, maybe I did complain about no grep).
My question is, where did they all come from? Between Frost Pists and BSD is dying, I haven't seen anything to believe this is the normal slashdot crowd. You just don't see them getting up in arms about some kid getting upset that his program taken from him by a corporation. And even the goatse guys know more about intellectual property than those who twist the facts about Hink "closing" the source to the company he sold it to.
Plus, these guys know way too much about the case. Anyone remember trying to find out what actually happened with Randall Schwartz? I read both the news story and Hinkley's rant, and still don't know what actually happened.
M$ is evil, Gnome vs. KDE, ESR vs. RMS, Napster, an awk HTTPD running on a supercooled atari; these are the things that slashdotters get excited about.
First of all, IANAS. Also, IANS. But these scientists are stupid. First of all, it's pretty arrogant to make a claim without even double checking your math. Second of all, its pretty stupid to make a claim that contradicts the laws of physics without double checking your experiment. Third of all, if you're going to make a claim that contradicts the laws of physics without even a hypothesis about why the laws of physics don't jive, you're pretty stupid.
If your measurements contradict the laws of physics, more than likely it is your measurement, your math, or the tools you are using to measure with that is wrong, not the laws of physics.
Gallileo may have been right. Newton may have been right. Einstein even have been right. But please, double check your math before you pretend to know more than the sum total of human knowledge.
They worked hard to put all that software in one place for you to download. All that software that was created and given away for free by people who didn't have to worry about paying the bills or buying equipment or bandwidth or getting recognition, or teaching others how to use it or helping others when they had problems, or filing bugs and giving feedback and support, or anything like that. Give a little credit where credit is due. Pay libranet.
not to single you out, but the fact that you can't pick a single place (and all the places you all have picked in common) is a pretty good indicator how homogenous America is.
Trust me, if you've seen Bangor, Maine, and anywhere outside the US (except canada), anything in the US is going to look nine times more like Bangor than that anywhere.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. This would be my number one improvement. In school, debugging was the hardest thing, and to this day, I use too many printf()s & exit()s. The other thing is that you need to study algorithms. I didn't complete my degree and I find that I struggle on code that comes easily to people who have had sorts and stacks drilled into them in college.
America will defend it's copyright law, with or without (probably with), the support of its satellites. If you think American law doesn't affect you, just wait. Right now America is the strongest, richest nation with the most nukes. Don't think America has sway over your country? Don't believe we won't come after you over some piddling technicality just for the sake of someone's personal copyright? Ask a kid in Norway.
Think Sealand or Oceana or Jamaica or whatever other island Bruce Sterling mentioned in a science fiction novel can beat the rest of the world because of some hypothetical system of moral "checks and balances"?
Well you got more faith than me. Personally, I don't like to base my world views on some science fiction novel. Whether I've read the novel or one like it or not.
America will defend it's copyright law, with or without (probably with), the support of its satellites.
If you think American law doesn't affect you, just wait. Right now America is the strongest, richest nation with the most nukes. Don't think America has sway over your country? Don't believe we won't come after you over some piddling techinicality just for the sake of someone's personal copyright? Ask a kid in Norway. Think Sealand or Oceana or Jamaica or whatever else Bruce Sterling mentioned in a science fiction novel can beat the rest of the world because of some hypothetical system of "checks and balances"?
Well you got more faith than me. Personally, I don't like to base my world views on some science fiction novel. Whether I've read the novel or one like it or not.
Slashdot Mirror
what if joe laborer invents something that makes the lives of millions of people better (we're not just talking about some crappy RIAA backed jingle either)... oh yeah, he signs the patent over to the corporation so he doesn't get fired.
however, in other situations, the renter/leasee/tenant has rights. That is the whole point of the discussion. What rights from the physical world should extend to software. What new ones should be required? The obvious response is don't rent, unless you are willing to accept the risk. But the reality is that some applications are becoming prohibitively expensive and like physical objects will be rented. I don't know what the answers should be. But it seems like linux and other free software have shown that it doesn't neccesarily need to be so.
I'm glad you got rich though, Robin.
"[the head of the company] said that what he really wanted was that Hinkley come back." ...
"The final Hotline Connect release ... took place last month" ...
"New features include an enhanced client interface with a dynamic toolbar..."
Now we see what the company was really upset about. It wasn't so much code that was already written that they missed.
Here is some more info from the link: "In the meantime, fearing that Hinkley would inflict further damage to the company by releasing the source code on the Internet, the company obtained an injunction from the State of Victoria's Supreme Court, which included an Anton Piller search-and-seizure order." ...
"Hinkley's house and those of his separated parents were raided on Sept. 11, 1998" ...
"While Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia maintain legal reciprocity with the Australian state of Victoria, Ontario [where the company accusing him was located] does not."
This is a quote from the link mentioned above. I think it shows the credibility of the source: "The program he developed took the best from File Transfer Protocol (FTP), Usenet and Internet Relay Chat (IRC), but was based on new, cutting-edge proprietary protocols."
But this story has brought out more drones than I've ever seen in a slashdot post. It reminds me of the wall to wall MSCEs you'll find in some shops, who'll spout freedom to innovate stuff entirely unprovoked (okay, maybe I did complain about no grep).
My question is, where did they all come from? Between Frost Pists and BSD is dying, I haven't seen anything to believe this is the normal slashdot crowd. You just don't see them getting up in arms about some kid getting upset that his program taken from him by a corporation. And even the goatse guys know more about intellectual property than those who twist the facts about Hink "closing" the source to the company he sold it to.
Plus, these guys know way too much about the case. Anyone remember trying to find out what actually happened with Randall Schwartz? I read both the news story and Hinkley's rant, and still don't know what actually happened.
M$ is evil, Gnome vs. KDE, ESR vs. RMS, Napster, an awk HTTPD running on a supercooled atari; these are the things that slashdotters get excited about.
If your measurements contradict the laws of physics, more than likely it is your measurement, your math, or the tools you are using to measure with that is wrong, not the laws of physics.
Gallileo may have been right. Newton may have been right. Einstein even have been right. But please, double check your math before you pretend to know more than the sum total of human knowledge.
Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, but at least the proofreaders added their signatures to the final product.
who told Canadians they could use our cuss words?
NASA Press Release.
like people in the real world carry canadian money around.
They worked hard to put all that software in one place for you to download. All that software that was created and given away for free by people who didn't have to worry about paying the bills or buying equipment or bandwidth or getting recognition, or teaching others how to use it or helping others when they had problems, or filing bugs and giving feedback and support, or anything like that. Give a little credit where credit is due. Pay libranet.
Oh wait....
It doesn't exist yet. And it doesn't run on my computer. And its incompatible with unix.
Now, darwin is pretty cool, and cocoa will be too, but lets not get confused here.
Heh. indians running chain teriyaki and thai fast food.
not to single you out, but the fact that you can't pick a single place (and all the places you all have picked in common) is a pretty good indicator how homogenous America is.
Trust me, if you've seen Bangor, Maine, and anywhere outside the US (except canada), anything in the US is going to look nine times more like Bangor than that anywhere.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. This would be my number one improvement. In school, debugging was the hardest thing, and to this day, I use too many printf()s & exit()s. The other thing is that you need to study algorithms. I didn't complete my degree and I find that I struggle on code that comes easily to people who have had sorts and stacks drilled into them in college.
they should have a special font for signatures so we don't all get confused
Think Sealand or Oceana or Jamaica or whatever other island Bruce Sterling mentioned in a science fiction novel can beat the rest of the world because of some hypothetical system of moral "checks and balances"?
Well you got more faith than me. Personally, I don't like to base my world views on some science fiction novel. Whether I've read the novel or one like it or not.
Well you got more faith than me. Personally, I don't like to base my world views on some science fiction novel. Whether I've read the novel or one like it or not.
Where do you think the bulk of Scientology's money comes from?
Where does the bulk of the money from scientology come from?
you have to be black or the fantasy version of bill clinton on TV to be part of "The Hollywood Left"?
how many of those laid off were programming and other technical positions and how many were marketing and business types?