I don't think that's a problem. It probably wasn't mass-production anyway.
Besides with projects like http://fabathome.org/ they can just print the parts;)
first, that if a game is loaded into RAM, that can be considered an unauthorized copy of the game and as such a breach of copyright
Just wondering, how long until Microsoft starts suing people for loading the Windows-kernel in their RAM?
And, is installing software (extracting data to my hard drive from a DVD, CD or downloaded zip or dmg) also creating an unauthorized copy?
I already see Ballmer throwing chairs in court, shouting "You loaded the Windows-kernel in memory! You created an unauthorized copy!!"
Might be just me, but if they enforce a "payment" it's no longer GPL-compatible.
They supply the code for free in GPL, thus enforcing that any derivative work should be GPL as well. According to GPL, you can sell the derivative work because you have the same rights as the developer. You should supply the source-code (and of course under GPL) as well though.
The whole part about "dual-licensing" is that they offer a GPL-version for free. If you want to make a derivative work that is closed-source, you should buy a license from Trolltech and then you get the code under a different license.
The whole thing about GPL is that you agree to keep it open and supply the code to the customers. That does not necessarily grant it to bee free in price. You can create an GPL-licensed application and selling it for millions. As long as you grant the customer the source-code if he requests it according to section 3b of the GPLv2 (which Trolltech uses). If you supply your code to the customer, he has the right to freely distribute it as according to section 6.
Always keep in mind that GPL is free as in Beer, you can buy it and do anything you want with it. It just doesn't necessarily means the product is free at first hand though.
If you want to write a non-free application based on Qt, you need to purchase a commercial license.
I think Trolltech has no way of controlling the GPL-version. When I download it and use their code in a commercial application it is no problem at all. All you have to do supply the code under GPL again, but I could still request an certain amount of money for it.
To be honest, when I download linux or QT, according to GPL I should be able to compile and sell it. As long as I give the code or the possibility to get the code.
The dual-licensing is nice, but certainly not something that can stop commercialism by other companies. I don't think Red Hat or SuSE pays Trolltech, though the products they create with it are quite commercial. And you could easily fork the GPL version and enhance it as well.
During a meeting full with managers, using Klingon to discuss something with an other geek would be fun as well.:)
But in the end, when the universal translator is there and we're all running around with comm badges, who cares what language you speak natively?
Microsoft did. ..
- mod this post?
- did one significant improvement to their os, making the change for the next releases 1 in 20 jillion^2?
- win the lotery by buying DOS for an apple and an egg, selling it for millions to IBM?
- 'hit' it?
- date a dentist?
Hm, I'm wondering what you want to find in that data. It's not like there's pr0n hidden in it. It's like examining the 15 Petabytes data of an banana. Lot's of data, not a lot that's worth mentioning.
As everyone can read on wikipedia; Bonwick wrote:...Thus, fully populating a 128-bit storage pool would, literally, require more energy than boiling the oceans.
Zfs can "only" store 16 exabyte. This 161 exabyte would need to be on at least 17 zfs storagepools in order to hold this and most of it would be full. Sounds like, bye bye fishies to me. Frying them in their ocean 10 times would surely kill most of them.
Besides; 3.4x10^27 J would be needed to boil the oceans.
"Just to propel a ship to Mars, requires 1.4e8 joules per kilogram. This includes leaving Earth, making the transfer orbit insertion, and matching velocities with Mars at the end of the Trip."
We could transport 2.43*10^19 kilogram to mars on this energy. Would this be enough to transport the Netherlands there?
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Anyway, what I wanted to state is that Thom Halwerda might be right in some way. His definition of linux/unix-like/unix systems are clearly not right and in some ways his thinking is clearly faulthy but he has quite some point. A lot of users think they are safe, that making a back-up is something that ISN'T needed since his system is updated or is commonly THOUGHT to be safe. Not just linux-users, but windows users as well. I really doubt that everyone here hasn't lost a single file because he failed to create a back-up. It might be something like a thunderstrike in you neighborhood that makes your system melt or whatever, but everyone has definatly lost a file once in a while. Even all the big sysadmin's here might loose a file or two in a year.
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I don't think that's a problem. It probably wasn't mass-production anyway. Besides with projects like http://fabathome.org/ they can just print the parts ;)
first, that if a game is loaded into RAM, that can be considered an unauthorized copy of the game and as such a breach of copyright
Just wondering, how long until Microsoft starts suing people for loading the Windows-kernel in their RAM? And, is installing software (extracting data to my hard drive from a DVD, CD or downloaded zip or dmg) also creating an unauthorized copy? I already see Ballmer throwing chairs in court, shouting "You loaded the Windows-kernel in memory! You created an unauthorized copy!!"
Might be just me, but if they enforce a "payment" it's no longer GPL-compatible.
They supply the code for free in GPL, thus enforcing that any derivative work should be GPL as well. According to GPL, you can sell the derivative work because you have the same rights as the developer. You should supply the source-code (and of course under GPL) as well though.
The whole part about "dual-licensing" is that they offer a GPL-version for free. If you want to make a derivative work that is closed-source, you should buy a license from Trolltech and then you get the code under a different license.
The whole thing about GPL is that you agree to keep it open and supply the code to the customers. That does not necessarily grant it to bee free in price. You can create an GPL-licensed application and selling it for millions. As long as you grant the customer the source-code if he requests it according to section 3b of the GPLv2 (which Trolltech uses). If you supply your code to the customer, he has the right to freely distribute it as according to section 6.
Always keep in mind that GPL is free as in Beer, you can buy it and do anything you want with it. It just doesn't necessarily means the product is free at first hand though.
If you want to write a non-free application based on Qt, you need to purchase a commercial license.
I think Trolltech has no way of controlling the GPL-version. When I download it and use their code in a commercial application it is no problem at all. All you have to do supply the code under GPL again, but I could still request an certain amount of money for it.
To be honest, when I download linux or QT, according to GPL I should be able to compile and sell it. As long as I give the code or the possibility to get the code.
The dual-licensing is nice, but certainly not something that can stop commercialism by other companies. I don't think Red Hat or SuSE pays Trolltech, though the products they create with it are quite commercial. And you could easily fork the GPL version and enhance it as well.
During a meeting full with managers, using Klingon to discuss something with an other geek would be fun as well. :)
But in the end, when the universal translator is there and we're all running around with comm badges, who cares what language you speak natively?
- mod this post?
- did one significant improvement to their os, making the change for the next releases 1 in 20 jillion^2?
- win the lotery by buying DOS for an apple and an egg, selling it for millions to IBM?
- 'hit' it?
- date a dentist?
Hm, I'm wondering what you want to find in that data. It's not like there's pr0n hidden in it. It's like examining the 15 Petabytes data of an banana. Lot's of data, not a lot that's worth mentioning.
Perhaps Shakespeare will be generated as data as well? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theor em
As everyone can read on wikipedia; Bonwick wrote: ...Thus, fully populating a 128-bit storage pool would, literally, require more energy than boiling the oceans.
Zfs can "only" store 16 exabyte. This 161 exabyte would need to be on at least 17 zfs storagepools in order to hold this and most of it would be full. Sounds like, bye bye fishies to me. Frying them in their ocean 10 times would surely kill most of them.
Besides; 3.4x10^27 J would be needed to boil the oceans.
"Just to propel a ship to Mars, requires 1.4e8 joules per kilogram. This includes leaving Earth, making the transfer orbit insertion, and matching velocities with Mars at the end of the Trip."
We could transport 2.43*10^19 kilogram to mars on this energy. Would this be enough to transport the Netherlands there?
Three Rootkits for the Novell customers under the sky,
Seven for the Lawyers in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal SCOX doomed to die,
One for the Dark Borg on his dark throne
In the Land of Redmond where the Windows lie.
One Rootkit to rule them all, one Rootkit to find them,
one Rootkit to bring them all and in Redmond bind them.
In the Land of Redmond where the Windows lie.
I hide behind a very big root to hide from all the nodes, deamons that are thrown at me and tie myself to it so you can't drag me away to /dev/null.
Anyway, what I wanted to state is that Thom Halwerda might be right in some way. His definition of linux/unix-like/unix systems are clearly not right and in some ways his thinking is clearly faulthy but he has quite some point. A lot of users think they are safe, that making a back-up is something that ISN'T needed since his system is updated or is commonly THOUGHT to be safe. Not just linux-users, but windows users as well. I really doubt that everyone here hasn't lost a single file because he failed to create a back-up. It might be something like a thunderstrike in you neighborhood that makes your system melt or whatever, but everyone has definatly lost a file once in a while. Even all the big sysadmin's here might loose a file or two in a year.