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To Whom Should I Donate?

jasonmanley writes "I currently use DesktopBSD. The other day I gave some thought to donating money to the project, but then I got to thinking — to whom would I donate the money? DesktopBSD benefits from FreeBSD and KDE among other projects. What about software with a smaller focus, such as OpenSSH? In fact, there are heaps of other projects' software embedded in FOSS packages, and I would like to know who the community thinks should get the donations."

299 comments

  1. Cowboyneal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    n/t

    1. Re:Cowboyneal by octagonamassador · · Score: 1

      Neighbors, no one loves you like he loves you. And no one cares like he cares. So Give today for the love of god and Money.

  2. Making things complicated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yet another instance where going with Microsoft makes things easier!

    1. Re:Making things complicated. by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, giving the money to Microsoft would almost be like a lottery.

      There is a 1 in 20 jillion chance of them making significant improvements to their operating system, software, and business practices resulting in a decent, problem free [or much reduced] computing system.

      The odds of this happening are excruciatingly small, just like a lottery. The different thing about it is, if you 'hit', it greatly improves the computing experience of most of the computing world [so it's like everyone wins].

      This post can be modded: flamebait, insightful, dopey, idiotic, and/or funny. Any other modding is expressly forbidden.

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    2. Re:Making things complicated. by jackharrer · · Score: 1

      Shame that nobody won in the last 10 years

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    3. Re:Making things complicated. by dvice_null · · Score: 4, Funny

      Microsoft did.

    4. Re:Making things complicated. by erikina · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You have a point. With traditional services/product - if you want to support someone, you simply use them. Want to support Honda? Buy one.

      However, when everything is free - this really doesn't work in the same sense. So I guess the option is donating or buying products from an open source company (like red hat). Another option would be instead of just donating - pay someone (possibly through a bounty system) to fix a bug or add a feature to some program.

      Then again, there are some pretty cool projects that deserve a straight donation.

    5. Re:Making things complicated. by michaelz · · Score: 1

      Microsoft did. ..
      - mod this post?
      - did one significant improvement to their os, making the change for the next releases 1 in 20 jillion^2?
      - win the lotery by buying DOS for an apple and an egg, selling it for millions to IBM?
      - 'hit' it?
      - date a dentist?
    6. Re:Making things complicated. by lilomar · · Score: 1

      - win the lotery by buying DOS for an apple and an egg, selling it for millions to IBM?
      - 'hit' it? These two.

      Plus maybe the dentist one. I'm not sure.
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    7. Re:Making things complicated. by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1
      #2 of the Top 11 Failed Ad Compaigns


      Microsoft - Because choices are confusing

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    8. Re:Making things complicated. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Microsoft - Because choices are confusing
      Yes, I prefer the panoply of choices that Apple gives me.
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    9. Re:Making things complicated. by the_B0fh · · Score: 3, Informative
      RedHat is a commercial enterprise, much like Microsoft. You buy from RedHat because you want commercial support. There is no non-profit segment to RedHat. They contribute to opensource because their business model requires it. If they don't make money, they will go away. However, the opensource software will still be around.

      For the OP, I would take a look at a couple of factors:
      1) which piece affects you the most?
      2) which project is the poorest?

      Personally, I prefer to donate to OpenBSD because
      1. they do not have much external resources
      2. they stand by and for their principles which result in much freer opensource:
        • look at the release of SUNW documentation for the sparc cpus - it's mostly OpenBSD's work
        • look at the reverse engineering of the atheros firmware
        • look at all the other work with vendors to release information, sometimes browbeating the vendors to keep their promises
        • look at all the security work they've performed, including creating 4 APIs that is now used by all, that reduces buffer overflow issues
        • look at all the work done in simplifying various software that are important, such as openntpd, openbgpd



      Mind you, I think donating to KDE is good too.
    10. Re:Making things complicated. by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1
      I don't think this article is even fact:

      9. Ponderosa - When you're not picky about taste.
      7. Visa Platinum - No interest for the first 8 minutes!
      5. Wal-Mart - Prices so low that even stupid people can figure out it's a good deal.
      3. AOL - Can 30 million people ALL be idiots? #5 is a maybe, but 9, 7. and 3 sounds like someone just made it up to be funny. If they provided some sort of links to the valid campaign, then it would be worth believing.
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    11. Re:Making things complicated. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Choices are confusing, but as you're implying having no choice at all is worse. What I mean by that is that if your average Linux newb had to choose between ever distro rather than just the top ones that most people use, they wouldn't bother with any of them. It's pretty common for people to be paralyzed by excessive choices, rather than choosing something which is somewhat less than perfect, they'll choose nothing in most cases.

      As far as Linux goes, it tends to be a mostly absent problem as most people will go with whatever their friends are using first, or whatever is the popular distro of the week, and yes it does change relatively frequently, before trying anything obscure.

    12. Re:Making things complicated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is Fedora then?

    13. Re:Making things complicated. by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      The house always wins.

    14. Re:Making things complicated. by Naosuke · · Score: 1

      BB spot is a humor website. The entire list is ment to be a joke.

    15. Re:Making things complicated. by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Oh, Hell NO!
      Giving $$$ to the pirates is MUCH easier.
      No S/N to track, no activations, easy setup...
      And they supply you with cracks/hacks/serialgens :)

    16. Re:Making things complicated. by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1

      I almost wonder if he was not making his own joke considering some of the entries he left out of his list of "sounds dubious".

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    17. Re:Making things complicated. by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      Fedora is for suckers, if they use it to run production software. If they don't, and fully understand that it is supposed to be bleeding edge and break, then it's for the same kind of people who run Microsoft beta OSes.

      What has that got to do with being a non-profit? And even if redhat did set up a non-profit to manage fedora, the ultimate goal is to obtain feedback to go back to their rhell distro.

  3. Easy answer! by rts008 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Me.

    I'll make that complicated decision for you...honest!

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    1. Re:Easy answer! by abolitiontheory · · Score: 1
      Yes, I'm the best Free Open Source Software project than I know of.

      Of course, the all female dev team I wrote into the design doc hasn't quite been assembled yet, but the robots we've are doing a pretty good job in the meantime.

      Please, donate for a good cause.

    2. Re:Easy answer! by phagstrom · · Score: 0, Redundant

      How long have you been working at MS? ;-)

    3. Re:Easy answer! by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Funny

      Me.

      That's what Bill Gates was thinking when he came out with Windows Me.

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    4. Re:Easy answer! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows Me? 'Windows' is now a verb?

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    5. Re:Easy answer! by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Funny

      Windows Me? 'Windows' is now a verb?

      Actually... yeah.

      • "I think my computer is Windowsed."
      • "That is sooooo Windowsed!"
      • "Go and get W*ndowsed!"

      Yep. Works for me.

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    6. Re:Easy answer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      W*ndows me harder!

    7. Re:Easy answer! by Keeper+Of+Keys · · Score: 1

      It's not just a verb, it's an imperative.

    8. Re:Easy answer! by trahere · · Score: 1

      but, is it a moral imperative?

    9. Re:Easy answer! by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 1

      I think Calvin and Hobbs ended this debate long ago with a simple comic about verbing words. Now that verb is a verb in and of itself, explicitly regarding the process of verbing a word, is there anything we can't verb? I think not.

    10. Re:Easy answer! by maxume · · Score: 0

      Verb "I".

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    11. Re:Easy answer! by R.D.Olivaw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Verb "I".
      I've been Iing hybrid cars for a while now. I think I might buy one.
    12. Re:Easy answer! by maxume · · Score: 0

      What, do you get in and encourage the car to develop a personality?

      That's pretty odd.

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    13. Re:Easy answer! by lilomar · · Score: 2, Funny

      What, do you get in and encourage the car to develop a personality? That's pretty odd. That's awesome. Don't listen to this naysayer. Let me know how that goes.
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    14. Re:Easy answer! by UUDIBUUDI · · Score: 1

      If they make a new flavor of windows for tiny pc's like the eee pc then we'll also have a Mini Me! *ducks*

    15. Re:Easy answer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNO,ME.

    16. Re:Easy answer! by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1

      Do not trust rts008 obviously a shallow scam artist.

      Rather give to the charity I represent "Computers Against Social Harm", CASH for short.

      Just send me a check for CASH and I'll make sure it's put to good use.

    17. Re:Easy answer! by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      More like an immoral imperative. Buy Windows if you want to reward false marketing, buying companies that create things and calling that "innovation", stealing technology from Stac and probably others, the exclusionary licensing that killed OS/2, working on joint projects with other companies, then releasing competing projects with the technology that was cross-licensed for them, and practically giving away $3 copies of an OS to students in poor so they'll be hooked on the full-price copies later just like a crack dealer.

      Oh, and unfortunately you have to buy Windows to play some of the best video games and to test your development and design work to see if it works on their badly broken yet widespread software.

      MS isn't all bad, though. Bill Gates does have his charitable foundation (although having FOSS to help run the aid organizations would help, too), Paul Allen bought the Seahawks and lowered ticket prices so more people could afford to go to games, their advertising in computer magazines helps get the message out about alternatives, and Steve Ballmer keeps an entire chair factory employed single-handedly. ;-)

    18. Re:Easy answer! by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Like, does yours have Val Kilmer's voice?

    19. Re:Easy answer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows Me? 'Windows' is now a verb? Absolutely! In modern English, any noun can be verbed.

    20. Re:Easy answer! by code4fun · · Score: 1

      At least he didn't plaster a picture of himself all over the place like Peter Norton.

    21. Re:Easy answer! by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1

      Just in case you weren't joking :-P

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Me

    22. Re:Easy answer! by Devout_IPUite · · Score: 1

      Ah, point.

      I suppose there might be a requirement for a 'normal' noun (not proper or pro) or adjective before you can verb it. You could probably verb a preposition, but I think it might sound a bit funny.

  4. Me! by youthoftoday · · Score: 0

    ... just wait whilst open source I my hello world program

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    1. Re:Me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Way ahead of you!

      def hello():
          hello="hello"
          world="world"
          print hello world
      def y_halo_thar():
          hello()
      y_halo_thar()
    2. Re:Me! by Nullav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      def hello():
          hello="Hello"
          comma=","
          space=" "
          world="world"
          exclamation_point="!"
          print hello+comma+space+world
      def y_halo_thar():
          hello()
      y_halo_thar()
      The beauty of Open Source!
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    3. Re:Me! by youthoftoday · · Score: 0

      Mixing Python and PHP ... that's beauty

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    4. Re:Me! by spikedvodka · · Score: 1

      wow... need c[_]... I read that as "Monty Python and PHP"

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    5. Re:Me! by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't know what this is up to, but ...

      > print hello+comma+space+world

      This is performance killer. You should instead write:
              print "%s%s%s%s" % (hello, comma, space, world)

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    6. Re:Me! by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      That would make programs more enjoyable to read. If I knew PHP, I'd whip something up about Lumberjacks.....

      Layne

    7. Re:Me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, no. I've just did two benchmarks:

      for x in range(10000):
        a = "hello"
        b = ","
        c = " "
        d = "world"

      The line they differed in was:
        print "%s%s%s%s" %(a,b,c,d)
        print a+b+c+d

      and timed execution of both. The one with %s's took "real 0m0.347s", the one with +'s took mere "real 0m0.276s.

      I don't understand it either.

    8. Re:Me! by mathew7 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand it either. What you described is done something like this:
      -a+b+c+d:
      1.copy a,b,c,d to a new string
      2.print copies everything to buffer while looking for "%".
      -%s%s%s%s:
      1.copy a,b,c,d to a new list (same as previous 1)
      2.interpret %s%s%s%s - found "%", followed by "s"
      3.copy element from list to buffer
      4.continue with 2 until string is complete

      now, memory allocation is not an issue, because these are all the variables you use. But the print parsing a+b+c+d is faster compared to "%s%s%s%s", because when "%" is found, more checks are done (i.e. initialize all possible parameters because you still don't know if it's a string, number, pointer address, etc., either of which could be limited). So even if "%s%s%s%s" is only 9 characters (including \0), it can be costlier than a+b+c+d, which is 13 characters. Remember that the "printf"-type functions are very general.
    9. Re:Me! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      First, real time is the wrong measure, you should be looking at user time. Real time varies depending on what other processes are running and so gives fairly random results.

      In general, the printf version should be faster. It should first parse the format string (very quick), scan the lengths of the arguments (not sure how strings are represented in your language, but if they're not just C strings then this is a constant-time operation). Then it allocates the buffer. This looks like a language without manual memory management, so this should be done in a generational GC which means it's a simple addition (one instruction - maybe three if it's a load / store architecture). Then it will do the copy, which is a O(n) operation.

      With concatenation, you are implicitly creating three new string objects. First you are creating "hello,", then "hello, " then "hello, world", and each of these requires a copy of the left and right hand sides of the + operator.

      The catch here is that you are performing the operation on constants. A good compiler will know that you are performing pure functional operations (i.e. no side-effects) on constant expressions. In both of these cases, the compiler can work out that the result will always be constant and should replace your line with 'print "hello, world"' in both cases. I would guess that no one has written an optimisation pass for the printf-like case. Looking through the LLVM source code, the SimplifyLibCalls pass, which I'd expect to do this, doesn't, and so it might be worth adding this. On the other hand, it's fairly uncommon for code containing I/O to be CPU-bound so it might not be worth bothering.

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    10. Re:Me! by OP_Boot · · Score: 1
      Overly Verbose!

      #exclamation_point="!"
    11. Re:Me! by felipekk · · Score: 1

      Turn in your geek card. You failed on a simple hello world program: Unused variable: exclamation_point.

    12. Re:Me! by billcopc · · Score: 1
      Wait, wait! You forgot the most important part:

      # This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
      # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
      # the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
      # (at your option) any later version.
      #
      # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
      # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
      # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
      # GNU General Public License for more details.
      #
      # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
      # along with this program. If not, see .

      def hello():
              hello="Hello"
              comma=","
              space=" "
              world="world"
              exclamation_point="!"
              print hello+comma+space+world
      def y_halo_thar():
              hello()
      y_halo_thar()
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    13. Re:Me! by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Could be worse. The AC I responded to failed at printing a line.

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    14. Re:Me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if(lumberjack&&okay){
      sleep 43200s
      work 43200s
      }
      Sadly, I don't know PHP either.

  5. just choose your favorite project by crazybit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and give them some of your time and effort by reporting bugs, making some code (if you can), helping with documentation, helping newbies on their support lists, etc.

    sometimes our time is as good as some cash.

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    1. Re:just choose your favorite project by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and give them some of your time and effort by reporting bugs, making some code (if you can), helping with documentation, helping newbies on their support lists, etc.

      sometimes our time is as good as some cash. And sometimes cash is better than time, so now we're back at square one having wasted 20 seconds. What was the point of that? If the guy had asked how should I donate then yes, your comment would be applicable but clearly the guy has some money to spend and is asking where to put it. Maybe he doesn't have free time, maybe he just doesn't want to spend it on open source. Even if by some freak occurrence all links in the BSD chain find themselves fully funded there's always more that money can do. Money can buy other people's time if that's really the only thing needed. In any case, I don't see how suggesting that this guy's offered money is less valuable than his time is really useful to anyone. I'm sure there are plenty of cash-starved projects that would much prefer the money to help allow the core developers to focus on the project than have one extra guy adding a line of code here or there.
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    2. Re:just choose your favorite project by nine-times · · Score: 1

      and give them some of your time and effort by reporting bugs, making some code (if you can), helping with documentation, helping newbies on their support lists, etc. sometimes our time is as good as some cash.

      Not my time. I'm stupid, and me spending time helping only means more of other people's time fixing my mistakes. Oh, no, my money is much more useful to others.

    3. Re:just choose your favorite project by 3p1ph4ny · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing though: the earning power of some people is incredible. It might maximize the ol' time/money tradeoff for the project the OP wants to donate to work a job and donate the money, rather than work on the project.

      If you work on the project for leisure, that's one thing. If you want to be an a(e?)ffective supporter, you should really figure out how to maximize what you can give. </engineer>

    4. Re:just choose your favorite project by kozubik · · Score: 1
      Please consider these two FreeBSD related bounties:

      http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/2007cb.html

      (vmware 6.x working on a modern FreeBSD release)

      and:

      http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html

      Both of these items are long overdue to be fixed - having a modern version of vmware working on FreeBSD is essential to many, many developers and engineers, and because so much of the web now requires a recent version of flash to _use at all_ it is imperative that there be a method to use flash9 on a native FreeBSD browser.

      I encourage everyone that is interested in FreeBSD on the desktop to look into supporting these bounties.

    5. Re:just choose your favorite project by Neil+Hodges · · Score: 1

      So we should work on/donate to Gnash?

      Using an entire virtual machine to run Adobe Flash seems a bit backwards compared to getting Gnash's Flash support complete. By the way, using Flash in a virtual machine has nothing to do with native anything in the host's browser.

    6. Re:just choose your favorite project by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      I'd like to note here that the SWF file format finally has a published specification. Thanks, Adobe!

      Now would be a great time for a project like Gnash (or any OpenFlash-linked project) to get some funds.

      OpenFlash lists IDEs, compilers, players, resusable libraries for handling SWF files, programming language bindings for working with those libraries, components, debuggers, byte code manipulators, and projects built on Flash which all could use some help right now.

      Personally, I like to create my Flash primarily from a programming language rather than a time line editor, so I tend to use HaXe. Others use MTASC or other tools on the creation side. The players are pretty important for those not using Windows, OS X, or a well-packaged mainstream Linux. Perhaps the libraries that are used by many projects would be a good focus, too.

    7. Re:just choose your favorite project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and give them some of your time and effort by reporting bugs, making some code (if you can), helping with documentation, helping newbies on their support lists, etc. sometimes our time is as good as some cash. On the contrary -- choose the project with the most annoying bugs, the most lacking interface, the least functionality, or the most badly written documentation and then do all of the above. Your favorite project probably kicks ass already, that's why it's your favorite, so give the little guy a hand.
    8. Re:just choose your favorite project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes our time is as good as some cash. But it doesn't pay the mortgage...I'll never understand this open source mentality.
  6. Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are dead set on donating to *one* of the projects, donate to the one who you consider most useful to you.

    If you have some rad coding skillz and some time, i'm sure the projects would also love to see bug reports with patches.

    Do you use any of the software to work/as part of your job? if so, the software that you use for that is a great candidate for a project to donate to.

    1. Re:Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I donate regularly to vim and groklaw.

      The short answer is, donate to whoever you like.

    2. Re:Some options by shird · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Taking this approach, you would almost always donate to a GUI based project. The 'most useful' is going to be something you interact with, and not something behind the scenes like the kernel - regardless of how much extra effort may be required for one over the other.

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    3. Re:Some options by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, that depends on your own vision of things. One of the most useful software packages I found in the last 8 years (is it really already that long) was OpenBSD. At first I bought their CDs and T-Shirts occasionally. Then I started buying their CD on the 6 month release shedule and I just rounded it up to the next 100€ (back then CDs were 30€ or so) donating the difference. Now I even stopped doing that: I just have a monthly standing order to their account. I still buy the CDs occasionally, but it's not the rule anymore.

      Why OpenBSD? Because I like the system (not on the desktop, but as a server it's nice). They created OpenSSH which benefits pretty much every Unix out there. Their security fixes propagate to other platforms and software.

      So, no, "useful" is what you define it to be. I find OpenBSD useful because it's there, in the background, routing my packets, protecting my computers. I find that insanely more useful and important that anything else. (Note, that this has never stopped me from donating to other projects, including OpenOffice.org, Mozilla, OpenWebmail, and many others...)

    4. Re:Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of Linux and BSD systems out there are used GUI-less. Often they're running as headless servers, where the only way to access them is via ssh. Even then, most admins don't install X, let alone any other X apps or desktops, for security purposes and to avoid wasting server resources.

      And for those of us who manage thousands of such servers on a daily basis, we do spend a lot of our time interacting with core operating system features, including the shell, vi and system utilities.

    5. Re:Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. I work with all sorts of userland tools like perl, tcpdump, strace, etc...

      That said, I wouldn't donate to any of them because honestly there ISN'T one person to donate to. Look at the number of hands in any sufficiently large project.

      At most, if anything, I'd donate to a distro to pay for their hosting costs.

    6. Re:Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except without the "boring" basics the fancy GUI won't have anything to run on.

      I'd say 'donate to the grunts'. If you save your work on the hard drive, donate to the fs creator or disk driver ones. If you work exclusively on the web, donate to the ip stack ot network driver people.

      Seriously, try donating to the ones you think are in most need of some extra cash. If the kernel team can't afford developing the kernel you're dead. OTOH if they're wading in cash and the DesktopBSD people are starving while adopting FreeBSD to the desktop that's not fair either.

      - Peder

    7. Re:Some options by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "Taking this approach, you would almost always donate to a GUI based project. The 'most useful' is going to be something you interact with, and not something behind the scenes like the kernel - regardless of how much extra effort may be required for one over the other."
      That is why I always run X and KDE without a kernel. What the hell do I need one for? It's of no use of all to me.

      Here, let me fix your statement for you:
      "Taking this approach, people who are not very smart, or are ignorant, would almost always donate to a GUI based project. The 'most useful' is going to be something you interact with, like the kernel or the GUI, or an application that you use and like, but would like to see improved."
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    8. Re:Some options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed

    9. Re:Some options by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      In the case of Perl (the language) and perl (the language system's implementation), there's The Perl Foundation. They pay bounties, give grants for certain projects, help support sites like Perlmonks and use Perl;, and more.

      The tcpdump and libpcap projects are on SourceForge, but they don't have their donations link enabled. The projects' home page isn't coming up for me ATM, so I can't say if they have anything there.

      The strace project is also on SourceForge and also does not have their donations enabled. The web page listed for the project is the project's SourceForge page itself, so I don't know where else to look off the top of my head.

    10. Re:Some options by meatmanek · · Score: 1

      Instead of donating to the projects that are fairly "finished", ie, they work the way you want them to, you should consider donating to more up-and-coming projects. Are there any programs you really would like to see made? Do any of the programs you use lack features that you seriously need/want?

  7. To the Digital Standards Organization by pieterh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, since I'm one of the founders, I'm biased. But free and open source software needs free and open standards and the Digital Standards Organization is the only international network set-up specifically to defend and promote free and open digital standards.

    Coincidentally, on the day we signed the Hague Declaration, Microsoft announced they would support ODF in Office.

    Luckily, Digistan does not want your money, just your support. Sign the Hague Declaration online, and help us by getting involved.

    1. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 1

      Support the Hague Foundation! Or we'll send you to the Hague! (I kid. I kid.)

    2. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by knutkracker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Digistan??

      Inspiring ideas, but the name is unfortunate.

      I keep thinking of a backward country run by the Ayatollah Stallman that represses women (by refusing to talk to them about anything other than code and sci-fi) and persecutes those unbelievers who fail to support the FOSS revolution.

    3. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Stan" means "place" in indo-european, right? So it's a good name semantically. The digital place. The digital homeland. Maybe what it makes you think of says more about you than it does about the name...

      For me, the name means "the digital homeland" and I signed the declaration and now consider myself a "digistani", and if people want to call me a terrorist because if it, I'll call them racist.

      I like the provocative aspects of the name.

    4. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by knutkracker · · Score: 1

      Maybe what it makes you think of says more about you than it does about the name... Or what I've been reading recently.

      I think flamebait's a little unfair. The irony of an islamic-republic-sounding name and the contrast between the opening of the declaration (below) and the rights experienced by people, especially women, in said countries is sadly poigniant.

      1. Freedom from discrimination by government or law (Article 2, Article 7).
      2. Freedom of movement within the borders of each state (Article 13.1).
      3. The right to participate in government (Article 21.1).
      4. The right of equal access to public services (Article 21.2).
    5. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking Digi - we don't want your sort here!

    6. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Luckily, Digistan does not want your money, just your support. "Digistan" sounds like a computer-literate country in central Asia.
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    7. Re:To the Digital Standards Organization by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      Digistan sounds like where Digi-Mon would come from. So can I find a Renamon as a pet now?

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  8. I would donate to the Perl Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perl6 (Rakudo && Parrot) is making big steps forward in the last months. The Perl Foundation is using the money to support some of the developers which are working part-time on the projects.

    1. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by somersault · · Score: 2, Informative

      How is that offtopic? It's a suggestion for a donation. "I would" is short for "If I were you, I would", which is a valid suggestion rather than just a piece of random information.

      People saying "donate your time rather than your money" are very slightly offtopic, because the guy doesn't sound like he would rather support other projects financially than become a developer himself.

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    2. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that offtopic? It's a suggestion for a donation. He's donate to thank people for DesktopBSD. Perl is hardly the cornerstone of DesktopBSD.
    3. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by somersault · · Score: 1

      True, though I thought he had widened out the scope to just all FOSS by the end of the question.

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    4. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > donate your time rather than your money
      he already does that, being a 'beta-tester' by using bug-ridden open software that calls home for periodic reports, instead of bug&snoop-free MS proprietary software that cares about his needs rather than money.

    5. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by somersault · · Score: 1

      Uh.. so I take it you've never seen that "This program has encountered an error, would you like to send a report to microsoft?" dialog in MS software, which you have to *pay* for (rather then *choosing* to donate to if you wish)? Completely destroys your troll..

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    6. Re:I would donate to the Perl Foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP +5 INSIGHTFUL

  9. Only to projects that already accept donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Money can be a strong incentive, but it can also cause trouble in open source project, as Debians "Dunc Tank" project showed.

    Therefore I'd advise only to donate to projects that already accept donations, and clearly show that on their homepage. Otherwise your well-meant action might actually stir greed and envy, and thus could be counter-productive.

  10. Let the flamewars begin... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...since everyone will cheer for their pet project. Personally I'm inclined to go with KDE - they and QT are working to create a real development platform (phonon, solid, all the non-UI classes already in QT etc.) on Linux, not just a UI toolkit. Yes, I know GTK+ and family also have various non-UI things but none as polished that I've seen.

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    1. Re:Let the flamewars begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So I guess you don't do any non-UI things, apparently.

      Here's a hint: you can build any Linux system you want without a single Qt library dependency. Try do to the same with GLib and you'll find yourself cutting out most of the modern amenities offered.

      Want HAL so your hardware "just works", whoops, you need GLib. Want GStreamer so Phonon "just works", yep, GLib (and don't get me started on how Phonon reinvented that wheel). PolicyKit? Bluez (Linux bluetooth stack)? Hell, even Qt optionally depends on GLib. And these are just off the top of my head; feel free to inspect your distro and see just how many packages depend on GLib.

      GLib is the go-to C toolkit for modern features just out of reach of glibc. It's handy because it's code you can be 99% certain that everyone's got it on their system so there's no worries about that dependency. And it's LGPL so even the BSD-luddites don't care so much about it "infecting" their software. Even when you start talking mobile and embedded computing, it's there (though some morons have started doing things like #ifdef-ing out parts of it, which is only going to cause headaches in the long run).

      So yeah, if you want to talk about GUI space, stick with Qt all you want. But when you start talking non-GUI, you'll get laughed at not to consider GLib's/Gtk+'s clout. GLib was there long before Qt decided to cut their platform into pieces and attempt to shoehorn it downwards.

    2. Re:Let the flamewars begin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I vote for QT (aka Trolltech) donations. I've heard that they aren't getting free lunches from Nokia!!

    3. Re:Let the flamewars begin... by baadger · · Score: 1

      Umm...yeah except Qt is developed by a for-profit company (Trolltech). The KDE project can surely use support, but in the context of financial donations, why even mention your preferences on Qt vs GTK+?

  11. Relevancy ? by BrainInAJar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would personally probably donate to the most relevant project, which since DesktopBSD is more or less a FreeBSD distro, and since KDE gets help from SuSE/Novell, the KUbuntu people, etc. it would end up being FreeBSD

    1. Re:Relevancy ? by Esteanil · · Score: 0, Troll

      FreeBSD has more money than they know what to do with, IIRC.

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    2. Re:Relevancy ? by bconway · · Score: 3, Informative

      Doesn't look like it. Though I'm sure you weren't "recalling" anything, anyway.

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    3. Re:Relevancy ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Donating to your favorite project should be like paying extra principal on your mortgage: It doesn't have to be a big, one-time donation. Lots of little ones are good too, maybe even better. And the payoff going forward is better because it lets the project look at steady funding, not some transient never-to-be-repeated windfall.

      Now my plug: I've been doing modest tax time donations to the FreeBSD Foundation and the Postgresql project for a couple years now. Because they're modest I can make them a permanent part of our family's contributions. And I'm not even your typical nerdy Slashdotter; just a home user who's impressed by what he's done with both those products. And it makes me feel good.

    4. Re:Relevancy ? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I suspect he was recalling the problem a year or so ago where the ratio of corporate to individual donations to the FreeBSD Foundation was so high that they were in danger of losing their non-profit status.

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    5. Re:Relevancy ? by incripshin · · Score: 1

      He's not a troll. They get far more money in donations than, say, OpenBSD.

    6. Re:Relevancy ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does FBSD recieving more money than OBSD have to do with "FreeBSD has more money than they know what to do with, IIRC? Are you a sockpuppet?

      It's a pretty clear troll to me. If it wasn't a troll, the OP would have explained the comment, or at least provided a bit more detail so readers could research his/her view.

  12. The little guys by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Rather than donating to a project with corporate backing, why not split your donation up and give it to a few smaller projects instead? You're more likely to make a difference there. Even the tiniest donation could give a lone developer the extra enthusiasm needed to fix that one last bug before calling it a night.

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    1. Re:The little guys by wfWebber · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. Nothing sets the spirits like receiving $0.05 from an enthousiastic user.

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    2. Re:The little guys by Skal+Tura · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Spot on!
      That's so damn right!

      While my project wasn't FOSS, it was a browser strat game, keeping it running beyond personal interest for over a year longer was made to happen by the community support, we even almost finished up the next generation version of it (everything polished and updated, lots and lots of new content)

      In the end in my case "life came", and i just didn't have the time nor motivation to keep maintaining it. But it did give the community almost a year more time to enjoy the game :)

      As for donation suggestions, my 2cents:
        something which increases productivity: User friendly application, something you use constantly and it saves you time.

        Personally i'd look into putting cash on some of the "life saving" tools: Backup, Data Forensics/Recovery, Security apps, or maybe something which increases server performance or reliability

    3. Re:The little guys by nfk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even better would be just $0.02, accompanied by a big rant about future direction of the project.

    4. Re:The little guys by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah. Nothing sets the spirits like receiving $0.05 from an enthousiastic user.

      You could always extend that to a more personal approach.

      I'm a regular at a local Mexican restaurant. Instead of dropping my loose change anonymously in the tip jar, I show up with a few sixpacks of beer for the staff, and maybe some cut flowers for the hostess. I don't do this on a regular basis, but frequently enough to give everyone a good laugh. Now, my food orders are on the grill as soon as they see me pulling into the parking lot, and I walk out knowing the burritos I ordered were bigger than everyone else's, or my order included things that everyone waiting in line would pay extra for.

      Substitute beer with hookers and blackjack (be sure the hookers aren't crossing state lines), airline tickets, gift certificates or whatever else you think may be appropriate, and you might discover those few cents can add up and have a greater effect than you'd think.

    5. Re:The little guys by kiehlster · · Score: 1

      That can be a double-edged sword. Yes, the little guys are making some great tools to ease our lives, but money doesn't always equate to motivation. To some it's reassurance that their software counts for something. To others, you're simply donating to complain. It screams out, "I like your software, but..., so I'm going to pay you to fix the problem."

    6. Re:The little guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [grammar nazi] it's 'i just didn't have the time or motivation' or 'i just neither have the time nor the motivation' [/grammar nazi]
      carry on

    7. Re:The little guys by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      To summarise your post:

      Please send pizza.

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  13. Won't someone think of the children? by paylett · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    If you're looking for a worthy cause to donate to, don't forget all the other possibilities.

    World Vision

    Amnesty International

    Etcetera

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  14. Which ever by heikkile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just pick one at random, if you can't make up your mind. Or split your money to a few of the projects you find most useful, valuable, or which you like best. Next time you get the urge, donate to someone else. Don't worry so much about it, things will even out in the long run.

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  15. How many people benefit? by apathy+maybe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A question you should be thinking about is, "how many people will benefit from this donation?".

    Let's have a look at the projects mentioned.
    DesktopBSD, never heard of them, probably have quite a small user-base compared to FreeBSD.
    FreeBSD, benefits more then just your personal desktop OS. Lots of people use it, code flows sideways to other BSD's.

    KDE, benefits heaps of people, not just those using BSD based OSs, but also Linux based OSs.

    OpenSSH, you would actually be donating to OpenBSD who run the OpenSSH project, but whatever. Again, code will flow sideways to other BSD's, and OpenSSH is used by sooo many people.

    Next question, how popular is the project? How many donations do they get?

    DesktopBSD, probably doesn't get too many donations, small user base and all that.

    FreeBSD would get a bit, KDE would get a lot more (much larger userbase), and OpenBSD would get a bit as well.

    So, my suggestion, don't donate to KDE if you only have minimal funds, they probably get lots of cash from other sources.

    DesktopBSD might be worth chucking some money at if you like them.

    But consider donating to FreeBSD or OpenBSD, even if you don't use them directly. Their code will help you (via DesktopBSD), and will also help other people. They also probably don't get so many donations because of the smaller userbase compared to KDE.

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    1. Re:How many people benefit? by Klaus_1250 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Agree with parent. You could also set aside the money for a few months and see which project actually has issues with funding. If I remember correctly from about 2 years ago, OpenBSD (and OpenSSH) had serious issues with funding at that time: http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/06/03/21/1555243.shtml .

      Occasionally, a part-time dev may step forward and announce he/she is willing to work full time on the project for a period time, provided people are willing to financially support him/her. Those may be good times to sponsor as well.

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    2. Re:How many people benefit? by Krunch · · Score: 3, Informative

      > OpenSSH, you would actually be donating to OpenBSD who
      > run the OpenSSH project, but whatever.

      Actually, you can make a donation specifically to OpenSSH as said on the donation page.
      http://openssh.org/donations.html

      Of course most OpenSSH people are also OpenBSD people.

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    3. Re:How many people benefit? by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      I would like to donate to OpenBSD once in a while, I really do.
      However, the idea of cutting a personal check to Theo has never sat well with me.

  16. A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Software you are talking about is business, or should be business. Donate money to the poor instead.

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    1. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure a lot of open source developers are poor. And as I pointed out in other places, how do you even know that this guy doesn't donate to the poor or other causes? If he's at the level of thinking about donating to software projects, he probably already donates to other more 'worthy' causes as well?

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    2. Re:A bit of perspective by slim · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Software you are talking about is business, or should be business. I fundamentally disagree with this statement. Business is part of the software ecosystem. But software, including operating systems, can and should be written, distributed and used outside of a business context.
    3. Re:A bit of perspective by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      The poor don't offer much ROI. Donating to a software project can be in your own enlightened self-interest. Don't tell me you've never spent any money on your own interests in your life.

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    4. Re:A bit of perspective by zoefff · · Score: 1

      Still you can donate to business in a useful way:
      I find Kiva a good way of microcredit the poor.

    5. Re:A bit of perspective by grm_wnr · · Score: 1

      Software you are talking about is business, or should be business. I fundamentally disagree with this statement. Business is part of the software ecosystem. But software, including operating systems, can and should be written, distributed and used outside of a business context. Well, I'd have to disagree with this. Even if something is free (in any meaning), that does not means it's not in a business context. Linux and any BSD, which are the only OSs mentioned in here so far, are very much Business (Serious Business, even *rimshot*). At most, they are anti-business, but just negating everything does not actually make all that different (the ol' flip side of the same coin thing). There are some non-business OSs out there, but those are the really obscure hobbyist ones like Menuet.
    6. Re:A bit of perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as "software ecosystem." Unless you mean that part of the world inhabited by electrons, processes and your self.

    7. Re:A bit of perspective by maxume · · Score: 1

      Wait, aren't the poor a business?

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    8. Re:A bit of perspective by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll have to disagree with your decision to disagree with the GP who was, in turn disagreeing with the great-GP.

      The GP's claim of usage outside of a business context doesn't claim that it shouldn't be written distributed, and used in a business context, only that it should be written, distributed, and used outside a business context. These are not mutually exclusive; you are arguing against a claim that he didn't make.

      Anyone disagree with my disagreement of the disagreement?

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    9. Re:A bit of perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already donate money to the poor. It's called taxes.

    10. Re:A bit of perspective by HiChris! · · Score: 1

      I already donate money to the poor. It's called taxes. Just because the government uses Tax dollar to help the poor - DOES NOT mean YOU give to the poor. Sure a FEW bucks of your tax dollars go that way - unfortunately this is the sort of logic that lets people off when they see others in need. If you really want to help then shell out some real dough - don't hide behind a bloated government that spends to much money on crap.
    11. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I am not making any assumptions about this guy, but you do. I am just saying about $10 dollars he is going to pay some developer. Even if he spent $1M for the poor in Africa before that, it is still better to spend those $10 for the same cause, than for the guy who has education, pair of hands, pair of eyes and computer at home.

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    12. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Why? Why software should be different from any other invention, any other technology?

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    13. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Of course I did. I just never called it "donation".

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    14. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 2

      Yeah I'm making assumptions which may not be valid, but in the end it's up to this guy how he wants to spend his own money anyway.

      I think the world could do with quite a bit of wealth redistribution, but I usually think of it as a rather fruitless exercise when any money that goes into certain countries just gets frittered away by a corrupt government rather than actually helping the people in poor conditions. I give 10% of my money to the church because I know that they will spread it amongst many different good causes, though I'm thinking about stopping that and maybe just giving directly to some charities. Donating to FOSS OSes doesn't seem like that bad an idea, because then any country that is on the proper path to education and such will have good free software to work with, and not have to pay the Microsoft tax. Is that not worth $10 out of every million?

      I feel like a dick when I consider that I don't want to put more money towards a country controlled by a corrupt government, when if I was one of the inhabitants of that country I'd probably appreciate any aid provided by outsiders, but really it just seems that it's not going to do any good in the long run. I would have much rather seen GWB invade Uganda rather than Iraq for example, though I'm not convinced invasion is the best way to sort out a government either (not that I know any better ways myself, but I am not an economist or very well versed on international politics as you can maybe tell).

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    15. Re:A bit of perspective by Hatta · · Score: 1

      That's not necessarily so. Perhaps he thinks more good will come from a donation to software projects than to poor people.

      There's a fair bit of research that indicates that sending foreign aid damages the economy of the country that receives it. It rewards people for being unproductive, and directs government resources towards bureaucracy. It gives the ruling party an incentive to keeps its people in need of aid.

      In developed countries, there's a good argument that many of the poor are that way because of their own choices. Donating to the homeless is a good way to subsidize the malt liquor industry.

      There are times when good hard working people need aid through no fault of their own. But that indicates a systemic problem, not something throwing a little money at is going to fix. You'd do better spending that money to better the economy. And I think promoting free software development is a better way than most to do that.

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    16. Re:A bit of perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They money taken from the taxes is my money. It goes to the government. The government gives some of this money to the poor. Therefore, my money is going to the poor. You're arguing amounts, and I don't disagree there, but don't play semantics with my words.

    17. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 1

      Thankyou for putting that more eloquently than the poor attempt that I made when answering another reply to my comment.

      It may seem harsh, but if you don't crush the root problem then you just end up prolonging the initial problem. People wouldn't beg if begging didn't work.. giving a homeless person a meal (better than money anyway because they can't buy drugs/alcohol with it) is probably a good thing to do, and makes you feel good in the short term, but it still doesn't encourage them to try to find a way out of their predicament. It just does the opposite.

      Whenever homeless people are mentioned in this office one of the guys always talks of a time when he caught site of a 'homeless' guy's shoes beneath his sleeping bag, and they were actually some pretty expensive trainers. You can make a lot of money from sitting around doing nothing!

      People in third world countries are usually in the "hard working people needing aid through no fault of their own" variety, but as you say, that means that you need to sort out the government and infrastructure rather than try to feed everyone by donations from another country. I respect when people go out and setup wells and such for clean water to improve living conditions, but that is something that a country's own government would do if it actually cared about its populous..

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    18. Re:A bit of perspective by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, I disagree with your disagreement. I think the GP was not arguing against the claim you claim he disagreed with. I think he was trying to say that the definition of "business" extends beyond the capitalist/corporate connotation of the word, and applies to the manner in which a software organization is run. Even if it is 100% volunteer and the product is free, there are still certain basic elements of organization necessary to be successful; these elements can be construed as operating in a business sense.

      Of course, assuming I have accurately interpreted the GP's meaning, I disagree with this assertion :-)

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    19. Re:A bit of perspective by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Can I play semantics with your words? You can't call monies forcefully taken from you (or taken under threat of force), such as taxes, a donation. I can't be arsed to copy/paste some random online dictionary's definition, but I'm pretty sure donate carries some element of personal decision. Taxes do not.

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    20. Re:A bit of perspective by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Remember the old saying about teaching a man to fish instead of giving him a fish? Well, you can teach him to fish as much as you want, but if he doesn't have the equipment or know how to make the equipment with which you taught him, it still doesn't do much good.

      Open Source software is giving people the tools they need to do things they couldn't afford to do otherwise. Sure, someone with a computer and an Internet connection probably has food, shelter, and electricity most of the time. A 486 in a shack with a solar panel or diesel generator doesn't exactly make you rich, though. If someone in a poor country can run a business instead of doing odd jobs or can write software as a freelancer instead of begging or being on the dole, then that's a permanent change in their economic status. They'll also spread some money around their community. It's not a guaranteed success, but it's a better gamble than $10 in food and shipping costs for the food.

      Clean water, sanitation, and logistical efforts to get food and medical provisions into remote areas should absolutely come first. However, for those areas with clean water, sanitation, and roads/ports, what comes next? Do we keep donating to them? Do we find a more remote and poorer area and divert funding to that other area, letting the one we just finished helping crumble? Helping the developing world best is done by helping them actually develop, and in a healthful, ecologically sound environment. Open Source software is one way we can help them do that, and it helps people in the developed world, too.

    21. Re:A bit of perspective by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Well, it's far more empowering than some technologies for one. It has a much lower tan average marginal cost per copy (often almost nil) once the original investment is made for another.

      A computer with a few peripherals, an OS on it and Internet access is like a printing press, a telephone, a photography studio, a music studio, a lab for designing more products and services, a newspaper distribution route, an arcade, a diary, a social club, a stage theater, a movie cinema, a book club, a research library, and a concierge service all in a few square feet.

      If you make that affordable and customizable for the masses, with improvements shared among us, then you'll get much more return on the investment than if you feed someone some rotted rice and sprouted potatoes and pay people along the way to get those things to them.

      Let's say you take FOSS, cheap but capable hardware, and add a cheap but capable CNC system and 3D spray fabricator where people have raw materials but no easy way to use them. Teach them to use the machine, and how to refill its consumables in a safe and sustainable way. That area has just gone from a consumer or agrarian lifestyle to some of its people being local producers of non-food products. That's a huge shift in the local economy. It lowers the dependence on both buying and having donated non-local goods. It also cuts down on fuel used for shipping.

    22. Re:A bit of perspective by spazdor · · Score: 1

      And I am in this thread also!

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    23. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      If you live in the US, there are plenty of malnutritioned families in the rural areas of US.

      We can argue about the corruption of the American government, but in this case, one does not need government, just information who those people are.

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    24. Re:A bit of perspective by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      In the US, if you're a Democrat, yes. If you're a Republican, still yes but less so (except the poor puritanical fundamental Christians).

      If you're an agency taking money from the rich to give to the poor and receive a paycheck, yes. If you advertise on TV for donations and take a cut, yes. If you run a lottery or sell drugs, yes.

      If you run a transit company in a rural area, yes. Rich people might ride public transit in big cities, but see if they'll walk a mile in the rain or snow to the closest bus stop and wait for half an hour for the next bus. In even smaller towns than that, see if they'll call a taxi by phone half an hour before they need to be picked up. In even smaller towns than that, see if they'll pitch money to some unknown local to take them in a personal vehicle to a town that has taxis. In cities and towns under a few hundred thousand people, it's primarily the poor who use public transit. "Reliable transportation" is a requirement for many jobs, even.

      The working poor and welfare recipients in the US are certainly a marketing segment for big business. "Urban fashion", fake jewelry, angst-ridden music (some but not all of rap, country, R&B, heavy metal, blues, punk, grunge, and whatever's "pop" this week), cheap beer and cheap malt liquor, designer impostor sunglasses and fragrances, and most fast food and junk food are targeted at the working poor who are frustrated with their condition. Anything that's designed to sell because it identifies one as down on one's luck fits this category. Some of it is good product at a decent price, and some of the artistic works are great, honest, valuable pieces. Yet how they're marketed is often nearly predatory.

    25. Re:A bit of perspective by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      They are taken by a government that is nominally at least elected by the people and working the will of the people. If it's the will of the people that those taxes be taken and used for relief for the permanently poor and temporarily poor then that's a charitable decision by the people.

      When the US citizenry paid much less in taxes, much more went to charities. Now that taxes are higher, many more people have the GP's attitude. Others still give some, but they give less than they would or give it to people places like Haiti or Ethiopia instead of to their neighbors who are already receiving support.

    26. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      "Fish" is NOT about people who really cannot provide for themselves.

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    27. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 1

      Well I'm from the UK, but we have one of the worst records for healthy eating in the world I think (especially in Scotland, where the national food these days is basically deep fat fried fish and chips!). I think it was Sweden that used to be worse than us, but then the government had a big reform, made school meals much healthier etc, and now they are up near the top of the charts for healthy eating :P

      --
      which is totally what she said
    28. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Is it some kind of joke? I was talking about families really suffering from hunger here in US. They do not have money even for the junk food.

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    29. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 1

      Nope, wasn't a joke. I don't know what families you are referring to then? Malnutritioned seems to imply a lack of proper vitamins. If you'd said starving I might have understood better. I would expect that anyone in the US under 200 pounds would probably count as 'suffering from hunger'.

      Yes, that last bit was a joke.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    30. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      There are families in US who are starving, who look like North Korean refugees.

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    31. Re:A bit of perspective by somersault · · Score: 1

      Giving a description of what hungry people look like doesn't tell me where these people are, and why they are starving? Unemployed? Drug habit? Homeless?

      --
      which is totally what she said
    32. Re:A bit of perspective by slim · · Score: 1

      I am allowed to draw a picture, for my own pleasure, and share it without charging money. That's not business. Why does software have to be any different from that?

      Software *can* be business, but that doesn't mean it *must* be.

    33. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      The particular bit I was reading was about family living in a run down house in a backwash country, unemployed. No drug habit was mentioned.

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    34. Re:A bit of perspective by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      If you do it for your pleasure, why did you put a little bit of code in it with paypal logo on it?

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  17. to all the people talking about other causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    here we are not talking about charity, we are talking about returning some value (that we are taking advantage from) to the people that make it possible, to continue having it. It is some kind of purchase but not in a regular way.
    So don't be so demagogic

  18. Re:Take a Look Around by somersault · · Score: 1

    I had considered that too. But there will always be disasters in the world. Maybe this guy already donates to such projects. I would think that's quite likely if he's even considering donating to software projects (something I've never really considered before). Anyway, this guy is asking about donating to software projects, so less patronising suggestions please!

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    which is totally what she said
  19. Spread the money out. by miffo.swe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its the guesture i think is important, not the money. The more people that see that someone thinks their work is worthwhile the better. As for what projects to donate to i cant say anything, follow your heart but dont forget those that you never think about but greatly benefits you. Im thinking of those that always just works and so good that you very rarely touch them or see them.

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  20. There Can Only Be One by bball99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GNU

    donate (time || money || expertise) here:

    http://www.gnu.org/help/help.html

    1. Re:There Can Only Be One by grm_wnr · · Score: 1

      Oops, that was supposed to mean OSI (http://opensource.org/)

    2. Re:There Can Only Be One by xaxa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't really follow what GNU do with donations, but I donate to the FSF Europe -- and they're campaigning against DRM, standing up against Microsoft in court etc.

    3. Re:There Can Only Be One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The BSD family he's using software from don't use much GNU software (other than GCC [which they're trying to move away from] and perhaps some small utilities).
      You never hear RMS proclaming it should be called GNU/BSD.

      Don't mix up GNU with GPL.

      - Peder

    4. Re:There Can Only Be One by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I don't like that idea.
      Because I don't like their ideals.
      I see it as freedom (to the receaver) with the self sacrifice of freedom (to the developer).

      The GNU policy is an attempt to "Stick it to the Man!" not really knowing who "The Man" is or what "The Man" does.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    5. Re:There Can Only Be One by darthflo · · Score: 1

      I'd rather donate to people who actually create useful stuff than pointless and annoying campaigns like DefectiveByDesign, BadVista or PlayOgg. The FSF has some great projects (fighting software patent and drm legislation, the RIAA Expert Witness fund), but Microsoft badmouthing or format advancement are total wastes of money (to me).
      Software and formats should be adopted based on their merits (i.e. be better than the rest and rely mostly on word-of-mouth propaganda) and not throw valuable resources into the bottomless pit that is modern marketing.

    6. Re:There Can Only Be One by entrigant · · Score: 1

      Software and formats should be adopted based on their merits

      Should? Perhaps, but they're not. Refusing to participate in the game won't cause it to spontaneously become fair.

    7. Re:There Can Only Be One by darthflo · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right. Unfortunately the few grand that can actually be raised aren't nearly enough to seriously participate in the game.
      If they're used, however, to start or perfect an entirely new game in another league, that league may just outperform the old one and suddenly become interesting.
      If Ogg Vorbis was to suddenly provide 192 kbps of AAC fidelity in an 48 kbps stream, do you think manufacturers would just pass the "60 000 songs instead of 20 000 the competition offers" argument up? They can and will play the marketing game and may just be convinced by technical merits that let them compete better.

    8. Re:There Can Only Be One by spazdor · · Score: 1

      The damned thing is that it's trivial to write a DRM container format that you can wrap around an ogg file. Whatever performance edge the free software can eke out, the Bad Guys will be able to incorporate as well.

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    9. Re:There Can Only Be One by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Well, the initial developer doesn't give anything up. It's a limit on subsequent developers of the code.

      The original developer is making sure he has (and others have) the right to use whatever improvements are made to his work, which isn't secured under BSD. The original developer can even close his work but not the contributions back to it by others without negotiation, which is a trade-off for everyone involved.

      Subsequent developers who choose GNU give up the right to close the original developer's work, but they get the same guarantee for their contributions that the original developer had -- that subsequent improvements stay available as source.

      The BSD license and the GPL give about the same levels of freedom overall, but they guarantee them in different ways to different parties. It's all about what's more important to you.

      Personally, I like supporting useful projects no matter what the license. If you prefer BSD or if someone else prefers the GPL, those are both valid preferences in my eyes.

    10. Re:There Can Only Be One by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well in a way the inital developer does. It is very hard to un-GPL a product once it is GPLed. And essencially if you want to have a Non-GPL version you need to have a new fork as contributions to the GPL code cannot be used.

      I have been more wheary of the GPL Sience they really started to inforce it. The license is complex enough but to have an orginzation (FSF) Sue me for misusing the GPL if I did miss a rule, just doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies. I would prefer a License that protects me as the developer from legal repocussions such as I write code someone takes it and then sues me for stealing his code while he origionally taken it from me. Not over details such as if I happen to make an Open Source DRM product that somehow worked and was effective while being open source, and then it was found that the application was for a consumer product not a Buisness product (IE I am not IBM) so being sued for my own work. While not attempting to do anything wrong or imoral and would be perfectly legal with an other license.

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    11. Re:There Can Only Be One by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      You cannot arbitrarily revoke any license under which you published the source code of your software. If you published it under BSD, Mozilla, Apache, or whatever license then that version of the code is out there somewhere.

      Sure, you can make a closed fork of the most recent version even if you've accepted valuable input from others and stop offering the older version as open source. That's an advantage to you if you plan to do that. Yet with the GPL the original author can close his original source or relicense it however he wants. He just can't close the contributions of others made under the GPL.

      The GPL is a double-edged sword, as is any license. The whole point of a license is to reserve some rights while granting others. It's all a matter of which rights remain with whom and to what extent. If the specific combination of rights granted and reserved under the GPL don't suit you, then that's fine. You never have to use it.

      You bashing the GPL and another guy bashing your favorite license won't make much headway with each other. If you each just code and use the license of your choice, then you can each benefit yourself and others even if the two of you don't benefit each other directly.

    12. Re:There Can Only Be One by chromatic · · Score: 1

      The license is complex enough but to have an orginzation (FSF) Sue me for misusing the GPL if I did miss a rule, just doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

      Has this ever happened?

    13. Re:There Can Only Be One by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Ok it wasn't FSF but a simular organization linked from the FSF site.
      http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/nov/20/busybox/

      You could have also googled it yourself. This is slashdot not an accedemic paper. My views are my own, and often I am going off of memory, So I messed up FSF from an other organization. I am not going to spend all day doing research for a slashdot post.

      But my point stands that the GPL is to strict for my personal liking and I would feel volnerable legally if I were to develop under the GPL.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    14. Re:There Can Only Be One by chromatic · · Score: 1

      I am not going to spend all day doing research for a slashdot post.... But my point stands that the GPL is to strict for my personal liking and I would feel volnerable legally if I were to develop under the GPL.

      Why let pesky facts get in the way of your feelings?

    15. Re:There Can Only Be One by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      Ok it wasn't FSF but a simular organization linked from the FSF site. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/nov/20/busybox/ You could have also googled it yourself. This is slashdot not an accedemic paper. My views are my own, and often I am going off of memory, So I messed up FSF from an other organization. I am not going to spend all day doing research for a slashdot post. But my point stands that the GPL is to strict for my personal liking and I would feel volnerable legally if I were to develop under the GPL.

      That was simply a case of an agent of the primary developer suing a company that distributes the code in object form without providing the source. That is not unlike Microsoft suing you if your redistribute a piece of redistributable code but did not follow the license.

      It has absolutely nothing to do with the FSF, who is powerless to enforce the GPL on projects where they do not own the copyright, and the Copyright holder has not requested their help.

      Further, no GPL copyright holder has been known to sue unless the other party is unwilling to comply or cease distribution. Yes, one can almost invariably get a GPL lawsuit dropped just by ceasing the distribution of the relevant code. The GPL's culture is very relaxed compared to many other licenses where once a lawsuit has started only money or cross-licensing agreements can terminate it early. I'll admit that much of this is true for other Free Software or Open Source licenses too, but it does show that your concern may be just a bit overblown. That said, if you prefer other licenses, there is little reason not to use them, especially if they remain GPL compatible.

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    16. Re:There Can Only Be One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This attitude displayed by the title is exactly why one might consider *not* donating to GNU.org.

    17. Re:There Can Only Be One by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      I don't really follow what GNU do with donations
      Here is solution: Donate hardware
  21. Donations - Not what you think!!! by zukinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    The common thinking would be, why should I donate to a big project, they must have been getting billions already
    The truth is different guys, just from looking at the donations page at KDE.org I would have thought that that they get at-least 30K$ p/m, but the truth is different (300$, in a good month)
    We, the USERS, should donate more

    1. Re:Donations - Not what you think!!! by soilheart · · Score: 1

      The following contributions have been generously made through PayPal to KDE using the KDE Contribution form. We thank the donors listed below for their support! (Emphasis mine).
      I don't know if KDE gets money from other sources but that is only the paypal donations through a special form.
      I may be wrong though but I don't think this is all the money they get...
    2. Re:Donations - Not what you think!!! by sproot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The rest of their donations seem to be listed here.
      Mostly Hosting / hardware and employing devs, some cash though.

    3. Re:Donations - Not what you think!!! by kmarshallbanana · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm doing the sums wrong they get 60,000 euros per annum from their patrons & supporters alone:
      http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php
      (not that this is a reason not to donate more).

    4. Re:Donations - Not what you think!!! by darthflo · · Score: 2

      I'm not advocating to donate less to KDE, but apart from the page you mentioned, KDE gets corporate support (as already mentioned) and has several patrons.
      Also, IIRC, KDE is very closely related to SuSE which then again belongs to Novell now. With that kind of background support, they don't seem to be struggling to pay their bandwidth bills, so I tend to stick to smaller projects without corporate backing. I find my money to make more of a difference than it'd make to KDE, Gnome, OpenSuSE or Fedora (and so on).

  22. EFF? FSF? ORG? by bbtom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about your local Internet cyberfreedom group? That means EFF (US), Open Rights Group (UK), European Digital Rights Initiative, Digital Rights Ireland, Free Software Foundation or other civil liberties/human rights groups. Just an idea.

    I'd say give out lots of small donations. One group worth targeting in your donation are college students - often they are short on cash, and if they are trying to make the decision about whether to spend an hour hunting a bug in some open source code or get a crappy McJob flipping hamburgers, your donation may flip the balance for them. Having good experiences contributing to the free software world in one's formative years may also help a person avoid the temptation of crappy development jobs in the future.

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    1. Re:EFF? FSF? ORG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I second the idea of donating to the FSF or EFF, great organizations helping keep free software free.

    2. Re:EFF? FSF? ORG? by hey · · Score: 1

      Which group in Canada?

    3. Re:EFF? FSF? ORG? by bbtom · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:EFF? FSF? ORG? by houghi · · Score: 1

      One group worth targeting in your donation are college students - often they are short on cash
      Just buy them beer. That way you can donate directly and the students will have their own money available for whatever they want (like buying you a beer back)
      I am not sure how much beer you need to donate to get a tax refund.
      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    5. Re:EFF? FSF? ORG? by bbtom · · Score: 1

      That's definitely a boomer thing. Now that education actually costs significant amounts of money, we need money and not just alcohol.

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  23. Me. by Zoolander · · Score: 5, Funny

    In this day and age, there are still software developers who - through no fault of their own - do not own a 50 inch Pioneer plasma.
    I happen to be one of those unfortunate souls.
    Please, give generously.

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    1. Re:Me. by Lumpy · · Score: 1


      This is a sin! Where is Sally Struthers? We need to make a 1 hour infomercial.

      "These developers are suffering, wont you help? call the number on the screen now."

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    2. Re:Me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sent him some money, and all I got was this postcard:

      Dear Anonymous,

      Thanks for your generous donation to the Sally Struthers Give a Pioneer Plasma TV to Underprivileged Developers Foundatain. As you can see from the attached photos, we have just given a 50" plasma television to the slashdot user named "Zoolander." Here are his words of appreciation:

      "Thank you thank you thank you!"

      As you can tell, the Sally Struthers Give a Pioneer Plasma TV to Underprivileged Developers Foundatain does good work, and we look forward to giving you regular updates about what "Zoolander" is watching on his TV.

      -Signed Sally Struthers
      Founder of the Sally Struthers Give a Pioneer Plasma TV to Underprivileged Developers Foundatain

      [ Reverse side: A photo of "Zoolander" standing in front of his new 50" plasma TV. On the TV is an image of hello.jpg. ]

  24. I would donate to... by geekymachoman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Debian. See: http://www.debian.org/social_contract And, if you'r interested after reading above, see: http://www.debian.org/donations Im not in anyway affiliated with Debian project, except I use it for every day work. You asked to whom you might donate, so this is my opinion.. they contributed "much" to the Open Source community. I know you'r not using Debian, but thats not the point. The point (imho) is in helping the Open Source and OS projects.

    1. Re:I would donate to... by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes, so debian developers can break even more packages with badly written patches!

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  25. OpenSSL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Like it or not, your security depends on it, and it's chronically underfunded last I checked.

  26. Debian, every time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's the backbone of the Free Software.

  27. Penguin Purchasing Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could apply for a US Bank Linux Fund Visa; USB kicks back something like 1-3% of purchase prices to the Fund. Use it for purchase orders/client hardware and soon the FOSS community will be rolling in dough! and the interest is in the middle range so it's not a bad card.

    btw, it has a great picture of Tux on it and is fun to whip out on your local Circuit City/Best Buy salesclerk as you sneer at the Windows Vista displays and the cursing Firedog boys.

  28. It won't work if we tell you by explodingspleen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are clearly a multitude of metrics by which you can assess the answer to your question.

    Humanitarian: language translation / disability assistance software / tor.
    Wanting to overthrow the evil empire: wine, firefox.
    Wanting better hardware support: kernel developers.
    Wanting to thank people: any projects you use/couldn't do without.

    Really, it works best to just donate according to your own special favoritism. This way the projects get money in proportion to how much people/need want them. If you just wanted to pick the one project that will contribute the most to humanity, well, I can tell you already it's going to involve feeding hungry children and not improving your boot time.

    If you like, you can imagine you are purchasing the software, and donate whatever is the highest price you would have been willing to pay for it (or at least use that to figure out the proportions in which you should divide your money).

  29. What size donation are we talking about here? by hyperz69 · · Score: 1

    20$ I say split it 10 FreeBSD and 10 KDE. If more then you can add evenly to each project and then start deferring to each project that you find useful. I would recommend nothing under 5$ to keep things simpler.

    That just my $0.05, consider it a donation ;)

  30. donate to the Lazarus Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lazarus is the best desktop application builder out there for *NIX. It brought the right way of developing visually from Windows without forcing the developer to suffer the braindead design of GTK or Qt Designer.
    We already have servers, daemons, databases, security, libraries, etc. Heck! Even on 3D first person shooters we're more advanced than in desktop programming, so we seriously need something better than Glade or Qt Designer to become the standard for desktop development, and albeit not perfect Lazarus is much better than the other two.
    Offering bounties for the inclusion of a C++ compiler/object library would also be killer.

  31. We need a remuneration model. ParEcon inspired? by SD-Arcadia · · Score: 1

    We need some sort of model that would allow us to remunerate programmers. I will attempt a VERY ROUGH sketch for it. Try to get the basic idea and I would love responses. It's based on ParEcon which I believe shoots for the best values an economic system can produce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parecon The ideal would be to remunerate according to "effort & sacrifice". Trouble is how can we figure out who is expending the most effort and doing the hardest work? We've got to turn to evaluation of coworkers or project collaborators to find out. Letting aside corporate backed or other projects which income other than "donations" for the sake of argument, we could then try to balance remuneration across different FOSS projects. If one project is more tedious, difficult and unrewarding they should be better remunerated for their sacrifice. Projects that are empowering, rewarding in of themselves will have lesser priority. To organize the whole thing, we would also need to find out which projects are actually useful. Since users can't really see beyond GUI's, asking users won't be ideal. We could base it on an objective statistic of how many users use which products, let's say Ubuntu phones home to report the stats (if the user wishes to participate in this and privacy stuff is figured out etc.). The whole thing of course must come together in an organization of FOSS programmers to manage the information about who's doing how much of the most useful work. Funds from donations could be pooled and distributed accordingly instead of direct patronage. Perhaps SourceForge can be a starting point. What do you think?

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    1. Re:We need a remuneration model. ParEcon inspired? by maxume · · Score: 1

      So parecon replaces central planning with central determination of relative effort? Sounds like a winner.

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    2. Re:We need a remuneration model. ParEcon inspired? by SD-Arcadia · · Score: 1

      Actually it tries to replace it with "participatory planning". As workers you provide input from one direction, as consumers you provide input from the other direction. You determine relative effort yes, but it is not decided centrally. You're supposed to come to an agreement iteratively, workers and consumers negotiating to draw a plan in 4-5 rounds. The workers estimate how much can be produced in the future x months at what cost, and consumers estimate how much needs to be consumed. A board facilitates the negotiation rounds. The whole process should be cooperative, unlike a market where every actor's motivation is to take what they can, buy cheap and sell dear.

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    3. Re:We need a remuneration model. ParEcon inspired? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Recent research into behavioral economics would suggest that market participants are at least as interested in walking away with a fair deal as they are in buying cheap and selling dear (that is, screw someone over once and they aren't coming back). Wildly successful companies rarely act against customer interests, at least directly.

      To my cynical ears, it sounds like a new way of packaging the issues surrounding the 'means of production'.

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  32. Re:Take a Look Around by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 0, Offtopic


    Wish I had some mod points... This is not offtopic !

    Its a fair point... we've just had two major natural disasters in the world with many, hundreds of thousands of people suffering, and its a fair argument that the original poster may not even have considered.

    The OP has some money to donate, and some concerns about where itd be best put to good use. Pointing out that a software project, no matter how worthy, might not be the only consideration at this point in time is hardly hijacking the debate.

  33. Donate to FSFE - fighting swpat, DRM, etc. by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't forget the organisations that defend your right to write software, like FSFE.

    And you don't have to be European to like FSFE's work. As well as fighting against software patents at the European level, we have people working at the UN/WIPO/WSIS global level to prevent harm in future treaty (such as TRIPS, which was the basis for the EU proposal to allow software patents).

    And we do licence enforcement, campaigning for open standards, campaigning against the criminalisation of the grey areas of copyright law, and we supported SAMBA in their push to make the documentation published by Microsoft usable by free software developers. And more, but if I stop to think, then this post won't appear high enough to be seen :-)

    You can donate, or join the Fellowship.

  34. IEEE Computing by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    The work of their various Councils and Societies encompasses a large number of projects, to include Open Source projects.

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    1. Re:IEEE Computing by story645 · · Score: 1

      But they get funding through membership dues, (which isn't a bad idea if he's got some cash to spare) and probably through IEEE (which gets money through membership dues, journal subscriptions and probably some corporate funding.) I think the parent poster wants somewhere where his cash will make a decent sized impact.

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  35. Re:Take a Look Around by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Funny

    But it is offtopic. "Should I name my baby Ken or Ralph?" "You should adopt. There are so many orphans out there."

  36. Me Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I too am one of those unfortunates.

    I sit and watch my 42" LCD with a tear in my left eye. With a 50" plasma, both my eyes would be on fire!

    Donate much and regularly. Please.

    On a serious note: In ten years of OSS programming I've only once received a user donation. It was $25 deposited into my paypal account and it meant a lot to me. Unsolicited donations are a pick-me-up that lasts for days.

  37. I donate to the projects I use by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    I typically support the software titles I use regularly. OpenOffice, FireFTP, TrueCrypt...several others. Google and Canonical don't really need the charity but I'd support both organizations in my consulting business...if either of them would return a phone call.

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  38. out of the chorus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everybody wants you to pay his (preferred) project.

    Completely out of the chorus: what do you think is the best "application" in your system?
    What's invaluable? Donate for that one.

  39. Micropatronage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is the economic model of the information age.
        Take the amount of money you plan on donating, and split it across the various projects that are meaningful to you. You can even "weight" the split, biasing the projects which have more meaning to you. $1.33 to the KDE project, $2.00 to the group putting the distro together, $4.67 to OpenSSH, etc.
        Alternately, if you are conscientious and consistent with your patronage, keep track of whom you donate the full amount to, this time, and ensure you support a different project on your list next time you have a few simoleons to throw around.

  40. To Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear My Manley,
    I am the Chief Financial Advisor of His Royal Highness of Nigeria, send your money to me at...

  41. this may come as a suprise ... by pbhj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this may come as a suprise ... but sometimes other people besides the questioner read the answers.

    Shocking I know.

    And he _did_ say "donate" and not "donate money".

    1. Re:this may come as a suprise ... by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 0, Troll

      this may come as a suprise ... but sometimes other people besides the questioner read the answers.

      Shocking I know.

      And he _did_ say "donate" and not "donate money". Right. So this answer was just in case there were Slashdot readers currently unaware of the concept of Open Source and how it works? I dunno, maybe I'm just cranky from a poor night of sleep but to not answer the question even a little (still didn't give any help as to where the donation should go), instead opting to spout some tired FOSS cliché strikes me as particularly useless.

      And the quesioner said "donating money".
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    2. Re:this may come as a suprise ... by Javi0084 · · Score: 1

      It says right in the summary: "to whom would I donate the money?"

    3. Re:this may come as a suprise ... by StatusWoe · · Score: 0

      "The other day I gave some thought to donating money to the project, but then I got to thinking â" to whom would I donate the money?" from the description, however I appreciate your post and agree with there being many ways to help out :)

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    4. Re:this may come as a suprise ... by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Oops.

      But as for "were Slashdot readers currently unaware of the concept of Open Source". I think it bears repeating that to be a good community member you should give back what you can.

      Some think open source just means no money to pay.

  42. MODS ON CRACK AGAIN - that was funny by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

    or maybe they have no sense of humour whatsoever.

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    "It doesn't cost enough, and it makes too much sense."
  43. Re:Take a Look Around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver. He has money to give, thinks he's going to give it to an open source project but isn't sure which.

    As it is he's rewarding a singular project for the experience he had with DesktopBSD and as such has already looked at alternatives. It doesn't hurt to make alternative suggestions as long as it's not to change the subject of the discussion.

  44. XBMC - it's being ported to Linux! by BLKMGK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    XBMC for Linux is where I think money ought to go - that or the EFF to whom I donate to every DEFCON. Many of us have used XBMC on the old XBOX but it's now been ported to Linux using SDL so in addition it is also being ported to OSX and even Windows. The code can now handle HD video and while still "Alpha" I find that it works well enough that I'm using it on my main HTPC to watch movies often. EFF needs no introduction.

    http://xbmc.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=52 for more information on Linux XBMC or check out the Wiki -> http://www.xboxmediacenter.net/wiki/?title=HOW-TO_compile_XBMC_for_Linux_from_source_code

    P.S. ffmpeg is a project that MANY others benefit from including XBMC, if they need money they are also a worthy cause.

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  45. Billy Gator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive clod! I code closed source!

  46. Donate when you solve a problem by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I always donate when I just solved a problem with some piece of software, or found a particular functionality I appreciate:
    • When I merged two pieces of source code using Meld, I donated $10
    • Upon finding out I could resize windows in Vim in an xterm, I donated $10, and another $5 when I found out how nicely it works together with X11 clipboards
    • When my business started earning money, I donated to CentOS because that's what's installed on my servers
    • When the Dag Wieers RPM repository had packaged a piece of software for me, he saved me an hour of work -- so I donated $10
    And lots more. Outside of that, I donated to OpenSSH by buying a T-shirt for a colleague his birthday.
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  47. Time not money by dbIII · · Score: 1
    While the shareware mentality has produced some successes it is usually counterproductive.

    Also the lesson that "xv" should have taught us more than fifteen years ago is that you can have a program that everyone uses in the unix environment and hardly anybody is ever going to pay for it.

  48. you're all missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donate to the Get Richard Stallman a Hooker Foundation. The whole OS community will be better off once he can relax a little.

  49. Re:Worthy causes by BigBadBus · · Score: 1
    Why is this offtopic? I despair of people who want to donate to software groups (or even campaigns to keep "Star Trek" going) rather than organisations who genuinely need every penny to keep going.

  50. The Open Graphics Project by Theovon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are you interested in open source hardware? Bothered by having trouble making PC hardware work with your OS? How about donating to the OGP?

    www.opengraphics.org
    www.openhardwarefoundation.org

  51. ktoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ktoon - small amounts of money I think might help them progress this really ambitious software project.

    The project is in one of those areas of linux software currently missing quality coverage (like Non-Linear-Video editing - but there is currently no easy way to donate $ to the important project there - Lumiera)

  52. Off the top of my head... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Make a list of specific things you use regularly.

    Step 2: Divide the cash among those products.

    Step 3: Profit for them!

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  53. FOSSfactory will put your money to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Projects have modest bounties that, when the funding goal is met, the site promises to pay out to developers who deliver the work.

    Check it out: www.fossfactory.org

  54. FreeBSD by mnslinky · · Score: 1

    It's a great project, is the base for your OS of choice, and benefits a *ton* of other projects. OpenSSH is written by the folks over at OpenBSD, so if you want to donate money to OpenSSH, donate to the OpenBSD folks.

  55. Take a queue from George... by skitzophile · · Score: 1

    ...and donate to the Human Fund.

  56. Re:Take a Look Around by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Funny

    I promise, Microsoft won't get any of it.

    I'm not so sure. Consensus around here seems to be that Vista is a disaster, after all.
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  57. Re:Worthy causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it's implying that the guy doesn't already know about such organisations and their situations - which is completely stupid. I'm sure he knows full well about charities and disaster relief funds - it's impossible not to. But he's either already donated money to those things and is now choosing to donate some elsewhere, or he's decided to forego those charities and give it all to open source. It's his money, he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. By the GP's logic we should give all the money we can to charities saving only what we need to survive for ourselves. That is, of course, insane.

  58. Agreed by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back when I was maintaining a somewhat popular free software project, I occasionally (very occasionally, twice over 10 years) got offers of donations. Both time I thanked for the thought, and suggested a donation to the FSF instead. Really, I did it as a hobby, and didn't want the moral obligations coming from accepting money.

    Send a "thank you" letter to those who do not solicit donations, and tell them why their software is useful to you. It means surprisingly much

    1. Re:Agreed by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Really, I did it as a hobby, and didn't want the moral obligations coming from accepting money.

      What moral obligation? It's a gift. The only moral obligations with gifts are not to re-gift them and not to hock them for cash. And if the gift is money, they are not issues.

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    2. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, I did it as a hobby, and didn't want the moral obligations coming from accepting money. Like provide some accountability for your project? Maybe some place a user could come and complain when things don't work as expected. No founders of open source would rather tell their users to RTFM, read the source or bugger off I don't have time for you, this is only a hobby for me...if you can't figure it out to bad, what do I care, it works for me...
    3. Re:Agreed by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

      Read the other response, from the anonymous ass-hole.

  59. Qt by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Informative

    Qt is owned by Nokia, which I doubt really need donations.

    I would instead take a look at Troll Techs various products, and keep them in mind if you ever need some of that.

  60. What tools do you use most? by halfnerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I spent some time thinking about what tools I use most, checked out some web sites to see how badly different project need money and ended up donating to OpenSSH. ( http://paul.totterman.name/blog/supporting-free-software.html )

  61. Script kidding by SecondHand · · Score: 1

    touch donate.txt

    for ((n=0; n<17280; n++));
    do
        ps x -o pcpu= -o comm=  | sort -k 2 | uniq -s 5 > ps.out

        cat ps.out | while read cpu app; do
        cpu_accum=`cat donate.txt | grep -e "$app\$" | cut -f 1 -d " "`;
        if [ "x$cpu_accum" = "x" ]; then
            echo $cpu $app;
        fi;
        done > ps.new

        cat ps.out | while read cpu app; do
        cpu_accum=`cat donate.txt | grep -e "$app\$" | cut -f 1 -d " "`;
        if [ "x$cpu_accum" != "x" ]; then
            new_cpu=`echo $cpu_accum + $cpu | bc -l`
            echo $new_cpu $app;
        fi;
        done > ps.accum

        cat donate.txt | while read cpu app; do
        line=`cat ps.out | grep -e "$app\$"`;
        if [ "x$line" = "x" ]; then
            echo $cpu $app;
        fi;
        done > ps.old

        mv donate.txt donate.txt.old
        cat ps.accum ps.old ps.new > donate.txt
        rm ps.accum ps.old ps.new ps.out
        sleep 5
    done

  62. I hear SCO have fallen on hard times by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hear SCO have fallen on hard times, you could always donate to them. YCSTB.

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    1. Re:I hear SCO have fallen on hard times by thtrgremlin · · Score: 1

      troll! j/k

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  63. I donate to as many as I can by Noksagt · · Score: 1

    Check out my URL--it has links to projects I've donated to over the past couple of years & links to others I plan to donate to. Donation doesn't have to be a one time thing and you can eventually donate to many important projects. Just think of how much you're saving on proprietary software & divide it across dozens of projects.

  64. Tax Deductible Gifts(USA) by kilgortrout · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you want to deduct your donation in the US, the organization must be certified by the IRS as a qualified nonprofit organization. This is commonly referred to as 501(c)(3) certification after the IRS regulation that deals with nonprofits. An organization known as Software in the Public Interest(SPI) is a certified 501(c)(3) orgnaiztion that was primarily set up to fund the Debian project but also gives to many oother free software projects:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_in_the_Public_Interest

  65. odd by nguy · · Score: 1

    Isn't it kind of odd that the desktop version of a distro that prides itself on its liberal license and use of C ends up with the C++-based desktop under the GPL, instead of the C-based desktop under the LGPL?

    1. Re:odd by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      No, because GNOME is official GNU software. Back in the day before Qt had a GPL version, before people who didn't care about licenses or whatever have you started using Linux, there was a whole lot of commotion about that whole fact (KDE not being Free Software because Qt was only free-as-in-beer for use in open source software).

      BSD users, who especially at this time (I'm talking like 1999-2000, and before), tended to be older and less fanatical about evangelizing "free software" as some sort of political end, as opposed to "FreeBSD and Apache are rock solid and cost nothing, or the $40 for the CD set. Let's use them." were more likely then to use KDE, if not more so than GNOME, defiantly more so than LINUX users were, if they were going to use a "desktop."

      I think that's more or less accurate enough. Personally, I hate KDE (and I'm not that big of a fan about GNOME) but it's probably more of a technical decision at this point than it is a licensing issue. The DesktopBSD people must just like KDE.

    2. Re:odd by nguy · · Score: 1

      BSD users, who especially at this time (I'm talking like 1999-2000, and before), tended to be older and less fanatical about evangelizing "free software" as some sort of political end

      Funny, I thought the opposite: the fanatical BSD fanboys have picked themselves an equally fanatical desktop environment.

  66. All of the above by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Donate to all of them. Every month or two I donate to Mozilla, Firefox/Tbird extension developers, KDE, wine, and some other projects. Don't make one big donation to one place, make lots of small donations to lots of places. Do it regularly. And like a previous poster said, take a day and triage some bugs. You can do 20 bugs in a good day.

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  67. A Robin Hood org? by jnowlan · · Score: 1
    I have wondered about this as well. I even thought there should be an organization that helps distribute funds to some of the F/OSS projects, perhaps even administered by the EFF or FSF. Then I thought 'just another layer of bureaucracy.'

    Better to just choose and donate. Perhaps not equitable, but trying to rank and choose based on some criterion of 'merit' seems bound to fail.

  68. enterprisey++ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

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  69. Dilbert for president of Digistan by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

    "Digistan" sounds like a computer-literate country in central Asia.

    It sounds like a country that Dilbert and friends might found, as a rival to Elbonia.

  70. How about earthquake victims?? by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    Surprised no one said it until now, but how about you donate to the linux next month and donate to those much much less fortunate this month?

  71. Great by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

    Donate to me, I'll gladly take it in the name of progressing OSS. Seriously though, I don't understand why people turn to masses to make up their minds for them. Is it because people want to do what everyone else is doing? Anyone you choose to donate to will be helpful, Ko-Hai.

  72. PostgreSQL gets my vote by kurtb149 · · Score: 1

    How about PostgreSQL? http://www.postgresql.org/

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  73. Windows Me is shit (in catalan) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In catalan language, 'me' it's a colloquial spoken abbreviation of 'merda' wich means 'shit'.

    We used to say "El Windows Me es una me" which means "Windows Me is a shit".

    Nevertheless, newer products from Microsoft are not so dirty. In catalan ".Net" means ".Clean" :-)

    georg_H

    1. Re:Windows Me is shit (in catalan) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, a rational explanation for why they chose the name .NET...

  74. I have a good idea! by AmonEzhno · · Score: 1

    How about the "help pay off Amon's student loans" fund? Or wait, How about the "help Amon get a copy of guitar hero" fund"?

  75. Can I save this thread? by davevr · · Score: 1

    I think my company can use it for recruiting! :-P

  76. Options- best candidate, purchase official support by rootpassbird · · Score: 1

    donate to the guy in need of donations.
    Not going by the mention or HTML styling of the we *_need_* donations or "puhleeeeeeeeeeez donate" etc, but by looking at
    1. the value of the code
    2. the number of users it impacts (not the number of users counted publicly)
    3. the financial background of the core team
    4. the place they come from - _sometimes_ that has strong correlation, not causation, of financial position -
    5. stated urgency of funds by the author(s) - you know english, you know the world, FLOSS programmers are not exactly crooks or mind gamers, for donations at least, (m$ will tell you otherwise...)

    There are guys out there who slog ass for nothing inspite of financial problems without even uttering a complaint - yes, old-style character lives in this age, contrary to popular belief.

    How do you find out the above facts plus more?
    Visit Ohloh and Sourceforge

    If you want a happy middle-ground, check out if the sf.net project's coder has himself listed as a support provider at any of the support exchanges - Redhat, sf.net, berlios, tigris, etc and use his paid services - you can get to know the person as well.
    He likes it because he *earned* the money, you can donate more to the project by having your boss (read " *big* pockets " ) buy the coder's support services.
    If boss likes it he recommends to others, gives a press release etc etc, you've done more than necessary to financially support the chap. He might even remember you as a friendly patron.
    Why do I talk so much about this - Simple, been there, done that - both sides :-)
    (Now, now, please do not quote out of context...)

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  77. How about Red Cross by capitalj · · Score: 1

    just a thought.

  78. how can one not know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    keep sucking on that open source dick you dumb fucking faggot.

  79. You need some perspective... by PinkyDead · · Score: 1
    Listen to this:

    Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
    And revolving at 900 miles an hour,
    That's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
    A sun that is the source of all our power.
    The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see,
    Are moving at a million miles a day
    In an outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
    Of the galaxy we call the Milky Way.

    Our galaxy itself contains 100 billion stars
    It's 100,000 light years side to side.
    It bulges in the middle, 16,000 light years thick
    But out by us its just 3,000 light years wide
    We're 30,000 light years from galactic central point,
    We go round every 200 million years
    And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
    In this amazing and expanding Universe.

    The Universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
    In all of the directions it can whizz
    As fast as it can go, at the speed of light you know,
    12 million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
    So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
    How amazingly unlikely is your birth
    And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
    Because there' bugger all down here on earth. So how about then, you gonna give us your money (and your liver)?
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    1. Re:You need some perspective... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

      Genesis 1:32 And God typed :wq! Only if he typed :q! Things would be so different.
  80. SOC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there some way to donate to Googles Summer of ode project? This takes on large projects, and with enough donations and another project could be sponsered.

  81. Usage Allocation Model by taisto · · Score: 1

    What if the operating system had functionality to somehow trace the usage of each of the various FOSS systems (via processor time or something), and then allowed you to automatically say "I want to donate $100 to the projects that I use, tell me where it should go." The OS could give you a report that shows you how much you actually use each of the various OSS subsystems on the platform, and perform an automatic percentage-wise allocation to the various organizations involved which take centralized donations? The user could overweight or underweight according to "fuzzy" factors ("I just love my torrent client so much"). It would of course require centralized repositories of where to send money for which project, but it seems like that could be reasonably tied to the package repositories themselves. Users could even set up automatic payments (if they are particularly charitable); register their credit card with the OS and say "divvy out $10 per month based on usage", thereby prompting far more sustainable and predictable donation streams for projects... This could theoretically lead to unreasonable overweighting of various things (the lower-level the component, the more higher level systems use them, the more processor time is allocated to code running in that layer, etc etc); the measurement method might get tricky, but seems like there must be some "good enough" method for determining usage.

  82. Donate to the project that inspired you. by krunk7 · · Score: 1

    I usually donate money when something occurs that brings into stark view the value of a piece of software.

    So ask yourself what inspired you to donate. Maybe you installed this distro and were impressed with the job they've done in bundling all these packages together for you. Maybe your stuck behind an obnoxious firewall and an ssh socks proxy saved the day.

    Donate to whatever project gave you the gumption to pull your wallet out whether it's some college kid or a large project.

  83. Debian by DieByWire · · Score: 1

    Just make sure the page is protected by SSL.

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  84. UNICEF. Seriously. by mkcmkc · · Score: 1
    It's easy for us to get caught up in our own little corner of the world, but there are people who don't have the luxury. My personal feeling is that when I have money to donate, half goes to the poorest of the poor, right off the top. The other half I split out (think "diversification") across 5-10 organizations that I think will produce the best long-term benefit for humanity and are overlooked by most people (e.g., The Free Software Foundation).

    If you want to read something on this subject that will turn your head around and maybe tear it right off, check out Peter Singer's essay The Singer Solution to World Poverty and also the book by Peter Unger, Living High and Letting Die referenced within.

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    "Not an actor, but he plays one on TV."
  85. These guys will need it most ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.openhardwarefoundation.org

  86. A little strategy by CTRL-Frank · · Score: 1

    Let's think a little more strategic for a few seconds :

    The killer app is still Office (Or Isn't it the Web ... pick your favorite... honestly, my Killer thing is Wikipedia... whaetever). One of the biggest reason for people to stay on Windows is that they feel that they can't live without MS Office (whitch they more than often obtained illegally ;) ).

    Having a good replacement for Office could be a huge step into getting more people to, lets say, Ubuntu and other "Free made easy" ouvertures and thus getting more potential contributors. Oh wait there IS such a replacement !!!

    I think that contribution to OpenOffice.org, right now, is a pretty strategic investment (yep, it's the right word) as it's devellopement would facilitate integration of many more people by diminishing one of the last "chains" they have to ... hum, let's call this the dark side ! More people = more support (money, time, code, advices, feedback...).

    Have fun and, whatever this discussion leads to... DO CONTRIBUTE !!!
    FranÃois

  87. Donation by klops · · Score: 1

    Guys, sorry to be offtopic on this, but please mod me up.

    If anyone have extra $ for donation at this time. It's definitely make MUCH more sense to donate to disaster-related humanitarian effort.

    We have Myanmar's cyclone killing 50000+ and China's earthquake killing 50000+. Both countries need a lot of relief help.

    1. Re:Donation by story645 · · Score: 1

      If anyone have extra $ for donation at this time. It's definitely make MUCH more sense to donate to disaster-related humanitarian effort. Did that (Red Cross & DWB), now can I also throw some cash at my favorite project? There are always disasters, so those organizations always need money, so I don't think all spare donation cash must go to disaster related efforts 'cause then everything else will get none.
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      open source modern art: laser taggi
  88. Don't donate TO, donate THROUGH... by grimmfarmer · · Score: 1

    http://ege-inc.org/ Of course, you'll have to help them finish http://giftfile.org/ first. ;-)

  89. I think... by thtrgremlin · · Score: 1

    ...you would have a better chance benefiting from throwing the money off a high building and hoping someone good will catch it.

    More seriously, I think the best thing to help everybody would be either:

    1. Electronic Frontier Foundation
    They help protect and promote F/OSS in the community and in the courts. Helping EFF helps everybody fight THE MAN.

    2. Mozilla Foundation
    I would love to hear some arguments AGAINST, but in my observation they appear to be one of the biggest donors to F/OSS project, and likely do a lot of homework helping to answer the very question you are asking.

    I am curious what others think of these observations, as I have been thinking a lot about this same question.

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    Want Big Business out of government? Take away the incentive and start by getting government out of big business!
    1. Re:I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozilla doesn't need your money...
      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/google_mozilla_tax/

      EFF and OpenBSD, the makers of OpenSSH, would probably find the most use for your money. While Theo de Raadt is an ass, lately (past 10 years) he has been of more use than Stallman (aka FSF) in supporting free and open software. Also, EFF fights for our digital rights.

    2. Re:I think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theo doesn't support free software, he supports open source software. And yes, he is a very useful and prolific coder. You can never go wrong supporting the EFF, but that isn't going to directly support the OP's desktop OS efforts. Certainly DesktopBSD has directly put effort into the particular distribution, but our OP aught to rank the top ten apps that he can't live without, or that provide him the most utility.

      Then, eliminate from the list ones that are doing OK, monetarily (OpenOffice.org, FireWeaselZilla, and anything Novell, IBM or Google directly support). Then, from the remaining, start checking out which can take donations, and how.

      We can't put that list together for him because we don't know his use model.

  90. Give time by matt+me · · Score: 1

    Give time. Write documentation. Create artwork. Work on the website. Translate. Spread the word.

    You don't have to know how to code to give back.

  91. Cowboyneal by omnipresentbob · · Score: 1

    is THE anonymous Coward

  92. How to donate effectively. by xtronics · · Score: 1

    Software in the Public Interest Should be your first step.
    (Supporting Debian indirectly supports your interests as many packages are sourced from there)

    http://www.spi-inc.org/projects

    Also see gnome friends and kde.

    I also recommend supporting wine.

  93. Christian Claws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was quite a shock to me to find out that I had to put up some serious amounts of cash to use versions of the bible that are not yet in the public domain. I have to cough up $1000 just to be able to use the TNIV in my software. So anyway, my website has a current fundraiser going to raise $1000 so that I can use my "ripped" version of the TNIV.

  94. NetBSD is a registered non-profit. by sudog · · Score: 1

    Donate to them and you get a tax write-off. :-)

  95. YCSTB? by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    Haven't heard that one before. "You can smell the bacon"? *shrug*

    1. Re:YCSTB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, bacon doesn't cost $699 ;-)

  96. Donating to Software is good but not optimal by fugue · · Score: 1

    FOSS has done an amazing amount of good for the world, but I decided that my money can have a more significant impact on more urgent problems elsewhere. I've donated to Wikimedia, a nice blend between FOSS philosophy and usefulness Right Now for a very wide audience, but they're only useful for those of us with ready access to the 'net.

    For advice on many of the major Good Causes, Charity Navigator appears very worthwhile. I've been using it for a few years, and find that while it misses a few, the information it provides is very interesting.

    In case you care, my current top pick is Pathfinder International, although the Union of Concerned Scientists is always high up there. If you want more of an Amerigeek angle, there are always the EFF and the ACLU.

    --
    "The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has taken place."
  97. Re:Worthy causes by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    Why not have the best of both worlds? Buy an XO laptop and sleep soundly at night knowing that your cash is being routed through a corrupt charity to pay for third-world kids to go through Microsoft Office indoctrination!

    Or would you prefer to throw cash at Burma's military regime while the death toll rises? Whatever floats your boat I suppose.

  98. Anonymous and Open Source services and systems by unlametheweak · · Score: 1

    Donate to anonymous and open source (unlikely to have back-doors) Internet communication systems like Freenet or Tor. These systems are often disparaged by people because they offer (theoretically) unfettered communication between peoples who have a desire and need to remain anonymous. These systems are important because they offer freedom from reprisal (economic, social, legal, physical, etc) for their THOUGHTS (expressed in text, pictures, videos, etc).

    Many people disparage such anonymous communication methods because (in the West) they don't want "child pornography" to be distributed. This of course is FUD and an exaggeration (and a reality of course; so if you believe in repression based on your moral standards, then obviously you don't have any and should not donate). But if you believe that sharing thoughts or ideas (however they may be expressed) should not be a crime (a Thought Crime) then these mechanisms (Freenet and Tor, et al) should be the way to go. These projects lack in funding and support simply because of their 'controversial' nature.

    If you believe in Freedom and Liberty, then support Tor and Freenet.

    Ref:
    http://www.torproject.org/
    http://freenetproject.org/

    Quote:
    "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'"
    --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation

  99. Let the market decide. by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

    You should donate to whichever group creates free software you truly enjoy and want to support.

  100. Re: Sometimes I almost lose confidence in slashdot by Douglas+Goodall · · Score: 1

    Certainly not Microsoft. Perhaps the Regents of the University of California at Berkeely. When the DOD paid UCB to include TCP/IP in 4.2bsd Unix, that was probably the most important step towards making the Internet Protocols a standard. The fact the UCB worked for many years providing the Berkeley Unix extensions so that AT&T Unix could be more friendly speaks in their favor. If you liked SunOS 3.1 and you don't like Solaris, it's probably because you like the Berkeley enahancements and not System V. Also you could consider UUNET because they hosted the Berkeley sources for many years and for a long time, that is where many people get their first TCP/IP sources from.

  101. "whom"???? by dwater · · Score: 1

    "whom"???

    Damn.

    Resident Grammar Nazi

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    Max.
  102. Contribute to where you see value for your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had this dilemma before as well.

    I've found it easiest to decide to give to projects that I'm sure will be around in the future. This biases me toward more upstream projects, but I think that's fair because these have the most potential for reuse and meaningful derivatives. In my mind, this is a "thank you" for work done in the past to enable the present. I also consider specific projects that point in radically new directions in an attempt to help reward that risk-taking nature as well. It has payed off for me in several narrowly-focused areas, and I want to encourage further development.

    Some of the other concerns I've heard also seem valid: don't water your contribution down too much by distributing it. If you keep giving, things will tend to even out. Also, it would make sense to give to projects that know how to use the money, or have earmarks for things you would like to see done.

  103. Code! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure funding helps keep a project rolling, but why not take the opportunity to instead invest your time and contribute some *code* to the projects?

    The benefits of coding are many. Some examples include: you could solve a problem that's been holding back the project (or move it closer to achieving that goal), you could make using that application easier for yourself (and others), you could come up with a new feature, or it could be as simple as the fact that you just might learn something. ;-)

    And if you don't know how to program, having an open source application to work on is just the ticket to learning.

  104. Donate to me. by shirishag75 · · Score: 1

    You should donate to me. You should donate precisely 120$ for that's what I need to buy . The HP Scanjet G2410 Flatbed Scannerhttp://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/in/en/ho/WF05a/1090037-1090177-1090485-1090485-80566297-80566298.html Why? This is only scanner and I wanna work with the developers to support it. I want to actively use the product so my life is made easier than before. No other flat-bed scanner in the Rs. 3-4k/- range which has SANE support at good or excellent levels :( If I'm able to get this working, lot of people atleast in the Indian sub-continent would also have better days.

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    Shirish Agarwal Life is a dream Enjoy it!
  105. None of the Above by octagonamassador · · Score: 1

    I could give a logical argument, but that would be benign. Instead, save your money when FOSS is no longer a LOSS and invest in it. On the other hand, if you have money to throw around, most projects are funded by universities so look for obscure, yet promising endeavors and maybe you'll be lucky.